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RE: [MedievalSawdust] Supplier for sleeve nuts in brass?

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  • Tristan Workman
    Julian, Lee Valley, Vandyke and Veritas are the catalogs I would check. I am pretty sure they are all one company, just different product lines. I have
    Message 1 of 11 , Sep 25, 2012

      Julian,

       

      Lee Valley, Vandyke and Veritas are the catalogs I would check.  I am pretty sure they are all one company, just different product lines.  I have bought stuff from them before and if you are not up for, or cannot, make what you need these guys have some pretty spiffy stuff.

       

      In service,

      Tristan O’Shea

       

      From: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com [mailto:medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Julian Wilson
      Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:19 AM
      To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Supplier for sleeve nuts in brass?

       




      Hi, everyone. I have a half-dozen X-frame "Savonarola" chairs to restore for our encampment next season. When folded/unfolded, - they all pivot around four, 6mm dia. threaded rods each, finished-off with "brass sleeve nuts" - so that when screwed-up tight the pivot-ends look as though they have been rivetted-over with a ball-pein hammer

      Each chair has four pivoting-rods, with a sleeve nut at each end [8 per chair] - and a number of the brass sleeve nuts are missing. [ Next year I'll use "Locktite" on the nuts before putting the chairs back in service.]

      So if anyone knows where I can obtain a pack of 50 brass- or copper-finish  sleeve nuts  [ to fit 6mm threaded rod] , I'd be very grateful for the info.

      I've tried asking the two local Ironmogery Retailers in our little island, showing them a sample sleeve nut retrieved from one of the chairs,  - and not only didn't they have any such in stock, they didn't know where to obtain any for me.

      Two hours of Internet searching for UK-based Suppliers was equally useless; and so was a phone call to a really large UK-Based Supplier of Ironmongery I've been using for over 30 years. Their response was - "Oh, this is a really specialised item; and we'd have very little Sale for such a thing. Sorry, can't help you."

      I found sleeve nuts in Nylon, in plastic, and in stainless steel - but no UK-Based Retailer or Manufacturer was listing Sleeve Nuts in a brass or copper finish.

      I could paint the S/steel ones, I suppose, - but the paint will just flake off - [ it's very difficult to get metallic paint to adhere to S/steel, I've found.  I've tried that before, and the Customer complained bitterly wehen the paint finished flaked-off.]

       

      Julian Wilson

       

       




    • Sean Powell
      Hello Julian, In the US I can find Sleeve Nuts but they are generally called coupling nuts. They resemble a regular nut but 4-5 times as tall and are meant
      Message 2 of 11 , Sep 25, 2012
        Hello Julian,
         
        In the US I can find "Sleeve Nuts" but they are generally called coupling nuts. They resemble a regular nut but 4-5 times as tall and are meant to attach eye-bolts or similar to threaded rod. While I can find them in brass I don't think they are what you are looking for.
         
        Alternately I can find "Cap Nuts" or "Acorn Nuts" that have a spherical head like a very large peened rivets. (or also like an acorn poking out at all of the pin joints. and they are also available in brass.
         
         
        I do have some contacts in Europe for finding standard hardware for manufacturing purposes. If I know better what you are looking for I can see if I can find them in Metric instead of Imperial... Or you could order all the hardware from the us and replace your 6mm threaded rod with 1/4"
         
        Sean

         
        On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Julian Wilson <lhjw66576@...> wrote:
         

        Hi, everyone. I have a half-dozen X-frame "Savonarola" chairs to restore for our encampment next season. When folded/unfolded, - they all pivot around four, 6mm dia. threaded rods each, finished-off with "brass sleeve nuts" - so that when screwed-up tight the pivot-ends look as though they have been rivetted-over with a ball-pein hammer
        Each chair has four pivoting-rods, with a sleeve nut at each end [8 per chair] - and a number of the brass sleeve nuts are missing. [ Next year I'll use "Locktite" on the nuts before putting the chairs back in service.]
        So if anyone knows where I can obtain a pack of 50 brass- or copper-finish  sleeve nuts  [ to fit 6mm threaded rod] , I'd be very grateful for the info.
        I've tried asking the two local Ironmogery Retailers in our little island, showing them a sample sleeve nut retrieved from one of the chairs,  - and not only didn't they have any such in stock, they didn't know where to obtain any for me.
        Two hours of Internet searching for UK-based Suppliers was equally useless; and so was a phone call to a really large UK-Based Supplier of Ironmongery I've been using for over 30 years. Their response was - "Oh, this is a really specialised item; and we'd have very little Sale for such a thing. Sorry, can't help you."
        I found sleeve nuts in Nylon, in plastic, and in stainless steel - but no UK-Based Retailer or Manufacturer was listing Sleeve Nuts in a brass or copper finish.
        I could paint the S/steel ones, I suppose, - but the paint will just flake off - [ it's very difficult to get metallic paint to adhere to S/steel, I've found.  I've tried that before, and the Customer complained bitterly wehen the paint finished flaked-off.]

        Julian Wilson



      • Julian Wilson
        Thanks to Tristan and Sean for their helpful replies - to which I have responded offlist with attached pictures of the cap nut I am seeking. Julian Wilson
        Message 3 of 11 , Sep 25, 2012
          Thanks to Tristan and Sean for their helpful replies - to which I have responded offlist with attached pictures of the "cap nut" I am seeking.
          Julian Wilson



        • Sean Powell
          In the US they run by several names. Try searches for combinations of brass metric closed end blind rivet nuts . They are occasionally called
          Message 4 of 11 , Sep 25, 2012
            In the US they run by several names. Try searches for combinations of "brass metric closed end blind rivet nuts". They are occasionally called Nutserts, Rivnuts, Plusnuts, Rivserts and other trademarked brand names. You are looking for the closed end style and perhaps even "European" style which is logical based on your location and where you got them in the first place. I would try specialty wood stores as they seem like a great idea for IKEA style furniture construction but in the US they seem to be used for attaching sides to large trucks when pop-rivets won't work.
             
            You might also consider over-drilling the hole, pressing in a regular hex nut and then capping with a wood plug. It's what I did for mine.
             
            Sean

            On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Wilson <lhjw66576@...> wrote:
             

            Thanks to Tristan and Sean for their helpful replies - to which I have responded offlist with attached pictures of the "cap nut" I am seeking.
            Julian Wilson




          • Eric
            I think that you re describing barrel nuts here s a link to the McMaster Carr page... http://www.mcmaster.com/#brass-barrel-nuts/=jgnj00 Have fun, make
            Message 5 of 11 , Sep 26, 2012
              I think that you're describing "barrel nuts" here's a link to the McMaster Carr page...
              http://www.mcmaster.com/#brass-barrel-nuts/=jgnj00

              Have fun, make stuff...
              Eirikr Mjoksiglandi


              --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, Julian Wilson <lhjw66576@...> wrote:
              >
              > Thanks to Tristan and Sean for their helpful replies - to which I have responded offlist with attached pictures of the "cap nut" I am seeking.
              > Julian Wilson
              >
            • Julian Wilson
              Eric, thank you for your helpful reply. These nuts seem to have so many different trade names. The barrel nuts shown in the link you sent me is what does
              Message 6 of 11 , Sep 28, 2012
                Eric,
                thank you for your helpful reply.
                These "nuts" seem to have so many different trade names.
                The "barrel nuts" shown in the link you sent me is what does the job, - but minus the slot in the head.
                And some Manufacturer is making them with heads that look "hammered" - [just like the heads of "Rosehead Cut Nails"] - because that's what is fitted on the replica-period Savonarola X-chairs I'm re-furbishing for next year's SCA Camping Season in Drachenwald.
                Julian.


                From: Eric <ewdysar@...>
                To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012, 19:10
                Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Re: Supplier for sleeve nuts in brass?

                 
                I think that you're describing "barrel nuts" here's a link to the McMaster Carr page...
                http://www.mcmaster.com/#brass-barrel-nuts/=jgnj00

                Have fun, make stuff...
                Eirikr Mjoksiglandi

                --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, Julian Wilson <lhjw66576@...> wrote:
                >
                > Thanks to Tristan and Sean for their helpful replies - to which I have responded offlist with attached pictures of the "cap nut" I am seeking.
                > Julian Wilson
                >



              • Karl Newman
                Sir Gavin is correct about the riving otherwise quarter saw the red oak flat flitch saw the walnut keep everything as long as possible. K
                Message 7 of 11 , Sep 30, 2012
                  Sir Gavin is correct about the riving
                  otherwise
                  quarter saw the red oak
                  flat flitch saw the walnut
                  keep everything as long as possible.
                  K
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