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Re: [MedievalSawdust] Red Oak & Black Walnut

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  • Jim Looper
    With 12-15 of them, I think I d go half-n-half. The planks will make some nice pieces and the quarter-sawn will give you some really nice lumber to work with.
    Message 1 of 11 , Sep 17, 2012
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      With 12-15 of them, I think I'd go half-n-half. The planks will make some nice pieces and the quarter-sawn will give you some really nice lumber to work with.

      Lucien
      ...we can burn that river when we cross a bridge over a bush with two birds in glass houses.

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      Last year was a bad & dry year in N E Texas I have lost 12-15 large Black Walnut & Red Oak. I need to have them sawed for lumber how should they be cut? They are 24"-38" X 8'-12'long Logs at this time. can they be 1/4 saw or plan wide thin or thick cut. Not sure what I will do with all the lumber ether.
    • gavinkilkenny
      ... If any of the oak is straight grained and knot free, set some of that aside and rive it, rather than having it sawn. Gavin
      Message 2 of 11 , Sep 20, 2012
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        --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Whisenhunt" <mwhizzz@...> wrote:
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        > Last year was a bad & dry year in N E Texas I have lost 12-15 large Black Walnut & Red Oak. I need to have them sawed for lumber how should they be cut? They are 24"-38" X 8'-12'long Logs at this time. can they be 1/4 saw or plan wide thin or thick cut. Not sure what I will do with all the lumber ether.
        >

        If any of the oak is straight grained and knot free, set some of that aside and rive it, rather than having it sawn.

        Gavin
      • Julian Wilson
        Hi, everyone. I have a half-dozen X-frame Savonarola chairs to restore for our encampment next season. When folded/unfolded, - they all pivot around four,
        Message 3 of 11 , Sep 25, 2012
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          Hi, everyone. I have a half-dozen X-frame "Savonarola" chairs to restore for our encampment next season. When folded/unfolded, - they all pivot around four, 6mm dia. threaded rods each, finished-off with "brass sleeve nuts" - so that when screwed-up tight the pivot-ends look as though they have been rivetted-over with a ball-pein hammer
          Each chair has four pivoting-rods, with a sleeve nut at each end [8 per chair] - and a number of the brass sleeve nuts are missing. [ Next year I'll use "Locktite" on the nuts before putting the chairs back in service.]
          So if anyone knows where I can obtain a pack of 50 brass- or copper-finish  sleeve nuts  [ to fit 6mm threaded rod] , I'd be very grateful for the info.
          I've tried asking the two local Ironmogery Retailers in our little island, showing them a sample sleeve nut retrieved from one of the chairs,  - and not only didn't they have any such in stock, they didn't know where to obtain any for me.
          Two hours of Internet searching for UK-based Suppliers was equally useless; and so was a phone call to a really large UK-Based Supplier of Ironmongery I've been using for over 30 years. Their response was - "Oh, this is a really specialised item; and we'd have very little Sale for such a thing. Sorry, can't help you."
          I found sleeve nuts in Nylon, in plastic, and in stainless steel - but no UK-Based Retailer or Manufacturer was listing Sleeve Nuts in a brass or copper finish.
          I could paint the S/steel ones, I suppose, - but the paint will just flake off - [ it's very difficult to get metallic paint to adhere to S/steel, I've found.  I've tried that before, and the Customer complained bitterly wehen the paint finished flaked-off.]

          Julian Wilson


        • Tristan Workman
          Julian, Lee Valley, Vandyke and Veritas are the catalogs I would check. I am pretty sure they are all one company, just different product lines. I have
          Message 4 of 11 , Sep 25, 2012
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            Julian,

             

            Lee Valley, Vandyke and Veritas are the catalogs I would check.  I am pretty sure they are all one company, just different product lines.  I have bought stuff from them before and if you are not up for, or cannot, make what you need these guys have some pretty spiffy stuff.

             

            In service,

            Tristan O’Shea

             

            From: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com [mailto:medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Julian Wilson
            Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:19 AM
            To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Supplier for sleeve nuts in brass?

             




            Hi, everyone. I have a half-dozen X-frame "Savonarola" chairs to restore for our encampment next season. When folded/unfolded, - they all pivot around four, 6mm dia. threaded rods each, finished-off with "brass sleeve nuts" - so that when screwed-up tight the pivot-ends look as though they have been rivetted-over with a ball-pein hammer

            Each chair has four pivoting-rods, with a sleeve nut at each end [8 per chair] - and a number of the brass sleeve nuts are missing. [ Next year I'll use "Locktite" on the nuts before putting the chairs back in service.]

            So if anyone knows where I can obtain a pack of 50 brass- or copper-finish  sleeve nuts  [ to fit 6mm threaded rod] , I'd be very grateful for the info.

            I've tried asking the two local Ironmogery Retailers in our little island, showing them a sample sleeve nut retrieved from one of the chairs,  - and not only didn't they have any such in stock, they didn't know where to obtain any for me.

            Two hours of Internet searching for UK-based Suppliers was equally useless; and so was a phone call to a really large UK-Based Supplier of Ironmongery I've been using for over 30 years. Their response was - "Oh, this is a really specialised item; and we'd have very little Sale for such a thing. Sorry, can't help you."

            I found sleeve nuts in Nylon, in plastic, and in stainless steel - but no UK-Based Retailer or Manufacturer was listing Sleeve Nuts in a brass or copper finish.

            I could paint the S/steel ones, I suppose, - but the paint will just flake off - [ it's very difficult to get metallic paint to adhere to S/steel, I've found.  I've tried that before, and the Customer complained bitterly wehen the paint finished flaked-off.]

             

            Julian Wilson

             

             




          • Sean Powell
            Hello Julian, In the US I can find Sleeve Nuts but they are generally called coupling nuts. They resemble a regular nut but 4-5 times as tall and are meant
            Message 5 of 11 , Sep 25, 2012
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              Hello Julian,
               
              In the US I can find "Sleeve Nuts" but they are generally called coupling nuts. They resemble a regular nut but 4-5 times as tall and are meant to attach eye-bolts or similar to threaded rod. While I can find them in brass I don't think they are what you are looking for.
               
              Alternately I can find "Cap Nuts" or "Acorn Nuts" that have a spherical head like a very large peened rivets. (or also like an acorn poking out at all of the pin joints. and they are also available in brass.
               
               
              I do have some contacts in Europe for finding standard hardware for manufacturing purposes. If I know better what you are looking for I can see if I can find them in Metric instead of Imperial... Or you could order all the hardware from the us and replace your 6mm threaded rod with 1/4"
               
              Sean

               
              On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Julian Wilson <lhjw66576@...> wrote:
               

              Hi, everyone. I have a half-dozen X-frame "Savonarola" chairs to restore for our encampment next season. When folded/unfolded, - they all pivot around four, 6mm dia. threaded rods each, finished-off with "brass sleeve nuts" - so that when screwed-up tight the pivot-ends look as though they have been rivetted-over with a ball-pein hammer
              Each chair has four pivoting-rods, with a sleeve nut at each end [8 per chair] - and a number of the brass sleeve nuts are missing. [ Next year I'll use "Locktite" on the nuts before putting the chairs back in service.]
              So if anyone knows where I can obtain a pack of 50 brass- or copper-finish  sleeve nuts  [ to fit 6mm threaded rod] , I'd be very grateful for the info.
              I've tried asking the two local Ironmogery Retailers in our little island, showing them a sample sleeve nut retrieved from one of the chairs,  - and not only didn't they have any such in stock, they didn't know where to obtain any for me.
              Two hours of Internet searching for UK-based Suppliers was equally useless; and so was a phone call to a really large UK-Based Supplier of Ironmongery I've been using for over 30 years. Their response was - "Oh, this is a really specialised item; and we'd have very little Sale for such a thing. Sorry, can't help you."
              I found sleeve nuts in Nylon, in plastic, and in stainless steel - but no UK-Based Retailer or Manufacturer was listing Sleeve Nuts in a brass or copper finish.
              I could paint the S/steel ones, I suppose, - but the paint will just flake off - [ it's very difficult to get metallic paint to adhere to S/steel, I've found.  I've tried that before, and the Customer complained bitterly wehen the paint finished flaked-off.]

              Julian Wilson



            • Julian Wilson
              Thanks to Tristan and Sean for their helpful replies - to which I have responded offlist with attached pictures of the cap nut I am seeking. Julian Wilson
              Message 6 of 11 , Sep 25, 2012
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                Thanks to Tristan and Sean for their helpful replies - to which I have responded offlist with attached pictures of the "cap nut" I am seeking.
                Julian Wilson



              • Sean Powell
                In the US they run by several names. Try searches for combinations of brass metric closed end blind rivet nuts . They are occasionally called
                Message 7 of 11 , Sep 25, 2012
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                  In the US they run by several names. Try searches for combinations of "brass metric closed end blind rivet nuts". They are occasionally called Nutserts, Rivnuts, Plusnuts, Rivserts and other trademarked brand names. You are looking for the closed end style and perhaps even "European" style which is logical based on your location and where you got them in the first place. I would try specialty wood stores as they seem like a great idea for IKEA style furniture construction but in the US they seem to be used for attaching sides to large trucks when pop-rivets won't work.
                   
                  You might also consider over-drilling the hole, pressing in a regular hex nut and then capping with a wood plug. It's what I did for mine.
                   
                  Sean

                  On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Wilson <lhjw66576@...> wrote:
                   

                  Thanks to Tristan and Sean for their helpful replies - to which I have responded offlist with attached pictures of the "cap nut" I am seeking.
                  Julian Wilson




                • Eric
                  I think that you re describing barrel nuts here s a link to the McMaster Carr page... http://www.mcmaster.com/#brass-barrel-nuts/=jgnj00 Have fun, make
                  Message 8 of 11 , Sep 26, 2012
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                    I think that you're describing "barrel nuts" here's a link to the McMaster Carr page...
                    http://www.mcmaster.com/#brass-barrel-nuts/=jgnj00

                    Have fun, make stuff...
                    Eirikr Mjoksiglandi


                    --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, Julian Wilson <lhjw66576@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Thanks to Tristan and Sean for their helpful replies - to which I have responded offlist with attached pictures of the "cap nut" I am seeking.
                    > Julian Wilson
                    >
                  • Julian Wilson
                    Eric, thank you for your helpful reply. These nuts seem to have so many different trade names. The barrel nuts shown in the link you sent me is what does
                    Message 9 of 11 , Sep 28, 2012
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                      Eric,
                      thank you for your helpful reply.
                      These "nuts" seem to have so many different trade names.
                      The "barrel nuts" shown in the link you sent me is what does the job, - but minus the slot in the head.
                      And some Manufacturer is making them with heads that look "hammered" - [just like the heads of "Rosehead Cut Nails"] - because that's what is fitted on the replica-period Savonarola X-chairs I'm re-furbishing for next year's SCA Camping Season in Drachenwald.
                      Julian.


                      From: Eric <ewdysar@...>
                      To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012, 19:10
                      Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Re: Supplier for sleeve nuts in brass?

                       
                      I think that you're describing "barrel nuts" here's a link to the McMaster Carr page...
                      http://www.mcmaster.com/#brass-barrel-nuts/=jgnj00

                      Have fun, make stuff...
                      Eirikr Mjoksiglandi

                      --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, Julian Wilson <lhjw66576@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Thanks to Tristan and Sean for their helpful replies - to which I have responded offlist with attached pictures of the "cap nut" I am seeking.
                      > Julian Wilson
                      >



                    • Karl Newman
                      Sir Gavin is correct about the riving otherwise quarter saw the red oak flat flitch saw the walnut keep everything as long as possible. K
                      Message 10 of 11 , Sep 30, 2012
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                        Sir Gavin is correct about the riving
                        otherwise
                        quarter saw the red oak
                        flat flitch saw the walnut
                        keep everything as long as possible.
                        K
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