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Re: [MedievalSawdust] Re: period glue documentation

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  • Jim Hart
    oops...... I put an unintended *T* into joiner......
    Message 1 of 32 , Jul 1, 2011
      oops...... I put an unintended  T  into joiner......

      The term 'jointer' as a name for a trade ( or tradesman ) has pretty much vanished and now is used as a
      name for a tool ( at least in respect to woodworking ) 

    • D. Young
      Well said Tim. There was actually a really good discussion on Peter Follansbees blog about green wood and the implication behind it. From my own experience
      Message 32 of 32 , Jul 13, 2011
        Well said Tim.

        There was actually a really good discussion on Peter Follansbees blog about green wood and the implication behind it.    From my own experience of directly felled, split or sawn and worked oak tree to lumber, I can say that the term green wood is often misunderstood to literally mean that  the piece of furniture was made within days  of the trees felling.    Clearly this is not the case as it really takes at least 3-4 weeks to dry the outer surface of the lumber to get a good planing job done on it, and often carve it.    I think joined furniture takes off in large measure by the 15th century because of the increasing lack of oak...joined work is often composed of smaller pieces.  But by the 17th century and importation of oaks from the Americas, joined work may have simply become fashion (by that period). 

        And with respect to glues, veneering and marquetry require seasoned wood.   Even if the outer layers are dry, the evaporation will erode the strength of most glues, loosening the applied layer.   

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        > To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
        > From: albionwood@...
        > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:42:03 -0700
        > Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Glues and veneers
        > Veneered furniture - including marquetry - appears in the late 15th and
        > sophisticated examples are known from the 16th century, especially in
        > Italy, but also north of the Alps in German and Dutch areas. Glue was
        > definitely in use there and then.
        > Is there evidence for green-wood joinery as a general practice in the
        > medieval period? My understanding is that it really took off in the
        > 17th and 18th centuries. Especially the methods that relied on
        > shrinkage to lock the joints together - I am not aware of any surviving
        > examples from before the 16th c. - if anyone has evidence for this, I'd
        > love to see it.
        > Most of the medieval joinery that I'm familiar with pretty much requires
        > seasoned wood. The joints will accommodate seasonal movement,
        > expansion/contraction, but do not appear designed to deal with
        > contraction only. Think for example of clamped-front chests, or boarded
        > stools, both of which involve cross-grain joinery; yes, the wooden pegs
        > will accommodate some movement, but these objects clearly were not made
        > from green wood.
        > Cheers,
        > Tim
        > On 7/1/2011 4:43 PM, D. Young wrote:
        > >
        > > Not long into the 18th century glues and veneers come into being so the
        > > joiner who RELIED on relatively green, moisture stable quartered lumber
        > > as a critical part of joinery to work properly (that eventual shrinkage
        > > was critical to lock up the joint) gave way to glues and such....that
        > > obviously work best with seasoned, stable wood.
        > >
        > > Ergo glue is not a part of most furniture until after the first quarter
        > > of 18th century. The devils in the details...literally.
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