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Re: [MedievalSawdust] Re: thoughts on forum

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  • Jim Looper
    Personally, I believe the forums idea has merit. However, and I will put it bluntly,  you are coming across as a jerk. I am not saying that you are a jerk,
    Message 1 of 122 , Nov 30, 2010
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      Personally, I believe the forums idea has merit. However, and I will put it bluntly, you are coming across as a jerk. I am not saying that you are a jerk, you may even be a wonderful person, but right now, we are seeing jerkish behaviour from you. Which makes me wonder if you are just being a troll for the sake of it...


       I am glad that you are passionate about forums. You should run with that. Create one. Set it up however you wish. Heck, I'll swing by and check it out. If I believe it will be useful to me, I will sign up.


      However, I will stay a member of this list; even if I am not the most active.


      And please, everyone, trim the posts.



      I do not count as a credible source.

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "D. Young" <furnaceplans@...>
      To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 5:55:39 PM
      Subject: RE: [MedievalSawdust] Re: thoughts on forum

      Eirikr Mjoksiglandi --- you completely misread my statement about the armourarchive situation.   I meant simply that there are ways to create very democratic and yet fair forums with minimal moderation.    

      I will put it bluntly.... so what Ive been here six weeks.   I cant make suggestions or constructive criticism?     I am more advanced than many in period woodworking --and Im trying to explain to you that I alone could communicate a lot of useful things much easier if we had a better venue like a forum. 
      Three problems with email lists.

      1]  total inbox clutter and wasted time. .....time to open, read, go back, open, read, go back, open, read go back.   Even with a fast internet connection took me damn near 13 minutes to read through most of these.   A forum thread is ten times faster for reviewing fast
      2]  very inconvenient posting images and quotes to discuss, which are the basis of extant archeological conversation.    My God, I shouldnt even have to say that its so obvious.     How easily can you post a useful detailed photo that is DIRECTLY tied to our text when we are discussing details??   Answer me that ?  
      3]  forums tend to invite people and with subforums, even more people who wind up crossing over information.    The Renaissance(s) of history have been a direct result of the cross pollination of information.   Cripes, take advantage of better technology.    Sure, it aint broke....but it could be much, much better.
      Im not trying to wrest anything away (Conal is my 'friend' anyway and I admire his efforts)....I merely suggested a forum and the benefits ....but I offer no apologies for calling out Luddites if such emotional patronage retards academic research and the SHARING of that information which I want to do, and from others I wish to benefit.   

    • Vels inn Viggladi
      ... center-bit at a recent demonstration at Fort Vancouver (Hudson s Bay Co recreation site (ca. 1840) in Vancouver, WA, USA). He just used hammer and anvil -
      Message 122 of 122 , Dec 2, 2010
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        >Jay Close, a Colonial Williamsburg-trained blacksmith, forged out a
        center-bit at a recent demonstration at Fort Vancouver (Hudson's Bay Co recreation site (ca. 1840) in Vancouver, WA, USA). He just used hammer and anvil - and some files to sharpen the pike, finish shaping and sharpen the nicker, and sharpen the router. Jay's reproduction had a plain, pointed center-pike and not the threaded pike of the picture.
        >Actually the picture on the history.org site is the first center-bit I have seen that has a threaded pike.

        And I think that may be the trick - the year. Prior to 1840 no one had figured out how to accurately and consistently put a screw thread on a pointed cone. Metal screws were available before then, but getting the reducing spiral made consistently hadn't been figured out. It was sometime in 1840's (source: the master woodworker at New Salem, NC) that pointed ended bits were finally possible.
        That being said, you can cut a threaded pike with a small file. I doubt for demonstration purposes he'd have spent the additional hours to file the threads, because that wouldn't be exactly entertaining.
        That, and with the router, the purpose of the threaded bit is rather superfluous. Threading the pike causes the tool to "pull down" as it is twisted, meaning that very little energy is needed to push the bit through the wood. The curved slope of the router does the same thing as it shaves out the waste. It's not as strong a pull, because some of that pull energy is used to push up the cut out wood, but it does the same task as the threaded pike.

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