Haraldr Bassi wrote:
>>Colin gives a darned good list of tools... only think I'd add to it is a
>>'marking knife'... most medieval woodworkers didn't have pencils...
The pencils I have lately seen somewhere were thin rods of lead.
Lead being self-annealing in it's pure state is very malleable
and could be hammered pointy. Still, haven't seen much of them
in the literature. I think now that the few pencils were in the
Salisbury Museum Catalog III and quite late in period. I rather
suspect for most uses they used awls on many materials. Long
round ones turn up everywhere as do diamond, square and bent
awls for leatherwork. Curved I have not seen like shoemakers
Books walk in my door like cockroaches into a Chinese restaurant.
Hard to keep up with what I've read about and where.
I'm buying a sizable chunk of the Hedeby books currently from
Germany this week. One should be on the houses if I manage to get it.
Some of these guys over there want bank transfers. Expensive.
>>they all seemed to have these small knives around for marking where they
>>wanted to put their saw cuts. Most knives I see in the illuminations
>>don't appear to be much more than a small sharp knife... modern marking
>>knives come in right and left handed versions. The sharpening bevel is
>>only on one side of the blade... allows the knife to fit flush to your
>>straight edge for a more precise cut... now, how critical this really is
>>I don't know... but I'd bet any small fixed blade knife with a 'stiff'
>>blade would work just fine...
> I don't recall seeing an extant examples of single sided marking knives in
> history... I'd say that as long as the blade is ground in a way for you to
> get a sharp clean cut along the square et al then you are in good shape.
Yes, but if you look at illustrations a lot of the squares and levels
and plumbs and such were made of wood too. This goes back to Egyptian
times at the least. Perhaps having a double beveled or round honed
blade wasn't all that big a deal. I know I've scraped some steel
off square blades, and I have a marking knife. I also have a couple
of squares or angles with fences and blades made of wood that are
antiques. Steel squares would have been quite expensive in medieval
times. Your best men would have had them of course.
The steel squares 3-5 I have that were hand forged and hand marked
and numbered really aren't all that straight. My oldest woodworking
tools may go back to the mid to late 1700's but there aren't all
that many. They got used up, not taken care of by the non-craftsmen
who bought or inherited them, misplaced, or they were gentlemen's
tools if they survived.
> He also mentioned that he felt a marking gauge wasn't critical, but I find
> that too much of what I do needs to be done with either a marking gage or
> else by using my fingers and knife as a marking gauge. Interestingly
> enough, I rarely if ever use dividers and rarely use a rasp or file.
Do you use a shooting board prior to marking the shoulders of a tenon?
If we are talking hand done here, it needs to be square before marking
and sawing if you use a marking gauge. Honestly I made a lot of
furniture but it was primarily by machine. However, I know and was
trained in manual skills first in industrial arts. An unsquared tenon
is tough to cure later, Roy Underhill uses a saw sometimes. Me? I'd
rather start with a nice accurate trysquare. To me marking gauges
are mostly useful for marking out widths lengthwise on boards or
on some I have with the double curved fence, for cutting or marking
aside the inside or outside of curves. I have both slitting and
scoring gauges and I can interchange the fences on the Stanleys
>>.. an interesting thing about marking knives... they lay in a nice
>>'groove' for starting modern saws in (thin kerf)... bet that would be
>>handy with those Japanese saws...
Better mark both sides of a door end with a knife before trimming
it unless you like tear out by machine or hand cross-wise.
Particularly bad in oak - solid or plywood.
> They also do a wonderful job of pre-cutting the surface of any place where
> you plan to cut so that the grain of the wood doesn't shred or chip beyond
> that point. Especially important for mortises.
>>.. and watch those chisels. Colin made reference to the fact that a good
>>sharpening system should probably have been first on his list. A damn
>>good point. Dull chisels are dangerous... they slip and skitter around...
>>punch holes in your hand... damage the work... very annoying. Keep em'
>>razor sharp... and don't drop em'.
Doncha just love round handled chisels? The smarter ones are
the woodcarvers with the octagonal handles. A quarter inch chisel
is tough to keep on a table. So's a half. Now when you get up to
1" they might stop rolling due to weight on the blade end.
> Yeah... but remember that doing stupid things with extremely sharp tools
> is still very stupid.
I'd like to point out that if like me you are taking aspirin to
prevent stroke/heart attacks or other such non clotting medications
you will likely not clot. I've had two very tiny cuts recently that
bled for a good hour and in both cases finally required a band aid.
Now if I had a bleeding ulcer still I'd be dead.
I think I understand what a hemophiliac must experience in a small way.
Maybe keeping a few differently sized ACE bandages might be smart
too. My stepfather's mother had such a bad nosebleed once they
finally had to insert and blow up a balloon. Some recent spinal
facet blocks (by injection) I had required me to take no aspirin
for five days.
> That especially includes holding a swinging door
> still with one hand and shoving an ultra sharp chisel with the other and
> realizing how damn stupid it was when the door shifts and the chisel is
> embedded in your finger. I think it was only about 5 stitches but still
> really darn stupid and several hours in the emergency room.
I know one guy who put a 16d nailgun nail right through all four
knuckles and he worked with one guy who nailed his instep to
the deck with one they had to pull the head through right
before he got fired. Let's be glad we're not quite that swift.
I've hit my right wrist once with a chisel, and my thumb base
with a leather knife 3/4" deep at least and put a razor knife
into my middle finger quite deeply and fortunately hit no
nerves in several decades. Chisels I'm basically okay with.
Knives have given me many scars in fifty two years. Mostly
in my younger ones. Now I use diamond hones on everything.
*But I have many less scars than Roy Underhill.* I like Roy
but I honestly suspect his hands are mostly scar tissue now.
Scarey Sharp and Roy would be a deadly combination I suspect.
I think I averaged maybe a couple minor cuts per year maximum.
Splinters in the hundreds of course. I always carried eyedrops
in my shirt pocket and several bandaids in my wallet - usually
for someone else as it turned out. I always wears polycarbonate
(lexan) lenses too. I wore no rings, although I refuse to remove
my watch (and I saw it drop to one side of the tablesaw blade
one day too. Snap-clasp stainless steel band type. Stubborn,
but then I've ripped very many miles of wood on tablesaws.
I simply readjusted the clasp.).
Re: Swinging doors:
I once remodelled a large circa 1900 room for a restaurant bar
expansion. I also built the bar, which after nearly thirty years
has finally closed and been torn down I hear, like the first one
I did. I bet they cussed like hell trying to get it out without
sawing through the floor. An elephant could have danced on it.
However the point of the story was they also wanted a movable
wall so they could service or move the beer cooler. I did a
lovely one too. Looked real solid. Then a vendor decided to run
through the area behind the new bar (bars on both sides of the
old building wall) and tried to swing around it. Headfirst
horizontal right into the nearest booth. Didn't take a week to
score it's first victim. That was my second movable wall.
The first one was to look like a walled off end in a storage
mobile home for an auto renter. It was a love nest and had a bed,
shower, and bathroom. As soon as it was near finished he hired
a new secretary who reeked of perfume. Since he was worried
about his fiance finding out he put even more nails in that
wall. Helm's Deep probably had less studs on the doors.
She must have had three things - money, a gun, and very bad taste.
She must have had no sense of smell either as I couldn't breathe
near that secretary.
The things we've done for food and money as carpenters sometimes...
Incidentally, if you are coming from the north to the Atlantian
Twelfth nite on the 10th there will be an MWTCA.org meeting and
general sale at the Daniel Boone Great Barn in Hillsborough NC
in the morning. This is much smaller than the big Raleigh one
in July with the Early American Industries Assn in attendance too.
It wouldn't be too far out of the way on I-85.
I have your Vikings Name book. Nice job.