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  • Dave Ordway
    Thanks Baron Conal, I make small boxes as an attempt toward relaxation. My entry is a sliding lid box that was inspired from HBO s Rome series in which a
    Message 1 of 13 , Jun 5, 2009
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      Thanks Baron Conal,
       
      I make small boxes as an attempt toward relaxation.  My entry is a sliding lid box that was inspired from HBO's Rome series in which a daughter stole coin from her father from a box that had a sliding lid.  I paused the disc to examine the dimensions of the box and became intrigued as to whether or not it represented a piece from antiquity.  I consulted my personal library and found the first reference from Roger B. Ulrich's "Roman Woodworking" as a loculus from the Comacchio wreck dated 1st century BC.  I later found a second reference in "Before the Mast" by the Mary Rose Trust of a similar box with sliding lid and other small boxes featuring dovetail joinery.  I have placed three pics in this groups photo section of the box I have made that represents my interpretation of these sources in the folder labeled Lagerstein.  The box is constructed from Red Oak and was formed with hand tools (saws/chisels).  There is no finish other than bees wax along the edge of the sliding lid.
       
      Comments and questions are encouraged.
      Lagerstein
       
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      Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:47 PM
      Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] MAY PROJECT OF THE MONTH - SMALL CHEST or BOX

      If you made it share it....

      I never actually got around to making a box myself...

       
      Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

      Aude Aliquid Dignum
      ' Dare Something Worthy '



      From: Dave Ordway <dabugler@cox. net>
      To: medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com
      Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:13:27 PM
      Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] MAY PROJECT OF THE MONTH - SMALL CHEST or BOX

      Is it too late to enter a project for the month of May?
      .

    • kirkdrago
      Finally getting around to posting my box. I hadn t intended to do anything as May was already packed, but I had a request to make a prize box for a gentle who
      Message 2 of 13 , Jun 6, 2009
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        Finally getting around to posting my box. I hadn't intended to do anything as May was already packed, but I had a request to make a prize box for a gentle who was getting his White Scarf at Sapphire Joust over Memorial Day. This particular gentle is known for his bright pants, so I chose osage orange to match. This is a basic slide top box, but I put the Atlantian seahorse (Spike) as inlay in the lid. The catch also has a shark's tooth inlay to represent that award.

        I know the woods are period per se, but this was a special item that is supposed to have some humor associated with it.

        I posted a pic in my album (it's the last one). I don't remember did we have a chosen location to post these?

        Kirk
      • Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart
        photo? Baron Conal O hAirt / Jim Hart Aude Aliquid Dignum Dare Something Worthy ________________________________ From: Dave Ordway To:
        Message 3 of 13 , Jun 6, 2009
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          photo?


           
          Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

          Aude Aliquid Dignum
          ' Dare Something Worthy '



          From: Dave Ordway <dabugler@...>
          To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 10:34:54 PM
          Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] MAY PROJECT OF THE MONTH - SMALL CHEST or BOX

          Thanks Baron Conal,
           
          I make small boxes as an attempt toward relaxation.  My entry is a sliding lid box that was inspired from HBO's Rome series in which a daughter stole coin from her father from a box that had a sliding lid.  I paused the disc to examine the dimensions of the box and became intrigued as to whether or not it represented a piece from antiquity.  I consulted my personal library and found the first reference from Roger B. Ulrich's "Roman Woodworking" as a loculus from the Comacchio wreck dated 1st century BC.  I later found a second reference in "Before the Mast" by the Mary Rose Trust of a similar box with sliding lid and other small boxes featuring dovetail joinery.  I have placed three pics in this groups photo section of the box I have made that represents my interpretation of these sources in the folder labeled Lagerstein.  The box is constructed from Red Oak and was formed with hand tools (saws/chisels) .  There is no finish other than bees wax along the edge of the sliding lid.
           
          Comments and questions are encouraged.
          Lagerstein
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:47 PM
          Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] MAY PROJECT OF THE MONTH - SMALL CHEST or BOX

          If you made it share it....

          I never actually got around to making a box myself...

           
          Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

          Aude Aliquid Dignum
          ' Dare Something Worthy '



          From: Dave Ordway <dabugler@cox. net>
          To: medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com
          Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:13:27 PM
          Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] MAY PROJECT OF THE MONTH - SMALL CHEST or BOX

          Is it too late to enter a project for the month of May?
          .


        • Dave Ordway
          There are three in the photo section of this group under Lagerstein. ... From: Conal O hAirt Jim Hart To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June
          Message 4 of 13 , Jun 7, 2009
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            There are three in the photo section of this group under Lagerstein.
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 4:36 PM
            Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] MAY PROJECT OF THE MONTH - SMALL CHEST or BOX

            photo?


             
            Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

            Aude Aliquid Dignum
            ' Dare Something Worthy '



            From: Dave Ordway <dabugler@cox. net>
            To: medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com
            Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 10:34:54 PM
            Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] MAY PROJECT OF THE MONTH - SMALL CHEST or BOX

            Thanks Baron Conal,
             
            I make small boxes as an attempt toward relaxation.  My entry is a sliding lid box that was inspired from HBO's Rome series in which a daughter stole coin from her father from a box that had a sliding lid.  I paused the disc to examine the dimensions of the box and became intrigued as to whether or not it represented a piece from antiquity.  I consulted my personal library and found the first reference from Roger B. Ulrich's "Roman Woodworking" as a loculus from the Comacchio wreck dated 1st century BC.  I later found a second reference in "Before the Mast" by the Mary Rose Trust of a similar box with sliding lid and other small boxes featuring dovetail joinery.  I have placed three pics in this groups photo section of the box I have made that represents my interpretation of these sources in the folder labeled Lagerstein.  The box is constructed from Red Oak and was formed with hand tools (saws/chisels) .  There is no finish other than bees wax along the edge of the sliding lid.
             
            Comments and questions are encouraged.
            Lagerstein
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:47 PM
            Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] MAY PROJECT OF THE MONTH - SMALL CHEST or BOX

            If you made it share it....

            I never actually got around to making a box myself...

             
            Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

            Aude Aliquid Dignum
            ' Dare Something Worthy '



            From: Dave Ordway <dabugler@cox. net>
            To: medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com
            Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:13:27 PM
            Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] MAY PROJECT OF THE MONTH - SMALL CHEST or BOX

            Is it too late to enter a project for the month of May?
            .


          • bayard_turner
            Very nicely done - I really like the inlay of Spike . Have you had the usual problem of purple heart becoming brown in sunlight? Any ideas other than UV
            Message 5 of 13 , Jun 8, 2009
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              Very nicely done - I really like the inlay of "Spike".

              Have you had the usual problem of purple heart becoming brown in sunlight? Any ideas other than UV resistant finish to solve that?

              Bayard

              --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "kirkdrago" <kith@...> wrote:
              >
              > Finally getting around to posting my box. I hadn't intended to do anything as May was already packed, but I had a request to make a prize box for a gentle who was getting his White Scarf at Sapphire Joust over Memorial Day. This particular gentle is known for his bright pants, so I chose osage orange to match. This is a basic slide top box, but I put the Atlantian seahorse (Spike) as inlay in the lid. The catch also has a shark's tooth inlay to represent that award.
              >
              > I know the woods are period per se, but this was a special item that is supposed to have some humor associated with it.
              >
              > I posted a pic in my album (it's the last one). I don't remember did we have a chosen location to post these?
              >
              > Kirk
              >
            • kirkdrago
              Nice sliding lid box. How did you do the box joints? I do a similar design. Kirk D
              Message 6 of 13 , Jun 8, 2009
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                Nice sliding lid box. How did you do the box joints?
                I do a similar design.

                Kirk D


                --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Ordway" <dabugler@...> wrote:
                >
                > There are three in the photo section of this group under Lagerstein.
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart
                > To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 4:36 PM
                > Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] MAY PROJECT OF THE MONTH - SMALL CHEST or BOX
                >
                >
                >
              • Dave Ordway
                Thanks for the complement. The sides are dovetailed. The bottom rests in a groove on all four sides. The lid rides along grooves on the sides and rests in a
                Message 7 of 13 , Jun 8, 2009
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                  Thanks for the complement.  The sides are dovetailed.  The bottom rests in a groove on all four sides.  The lid rides along grooves on the sides and rests in a groove at the back end.  All joints and dados were cut by hand with saw and chisel.  There are no mechanical fasteners.  Mundane glue (Titebond II) was used to reinforce the joints.
                   
                  Thanks again for your inquiry,
                  Lagerstein
                   
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: kirkdrago
                  Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:45 PM
                  Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Re: MAY PROJECT OF THE MONTH - SMALL CHEST or BOX

                  Nice sliding lid box. How did you do the box joints?
                  I do a similar design.

                  Kirk D

                  --- In medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com, "Dave Ordway" <dabugler@.. .> wrote:
                  >
                  > There are three in the photo section of this group under Lagerstein.
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart
                  > To: medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com
                  > Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 4:36 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] MAY PROJECT OF THE MONTH - SMALL CHEST or BOX
                  >
                  >
                  >

                • kirkdrago
                  I haven t been working with purpleheart long enough for that to be a problem. I ve been talking to other woodworkers in my area and other than the UV
                  Message 8 of 13 , Jun 9, 2009
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                    I haven't been working with purpleheart long enough for that to be a problem. I've been talking to other woodworkers in my area and other than the UV resistent finish, they haven't been able to recommend anything else.

                    Thanks for the complement. I've got a few more projects in the works as soon as I finish a coffee table for my inlaws. Talk about a time suck, the one that was requested involves a cabinet and drawers as well as the table.

                    Kirk

                    --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "bayard_turner" <williams@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Very nicely done - I really like the inlay of "Spike".
                    >
                    > Have you had the usual problem of purple heart becoming brown in sunlight? Any ideas other than UV resistant finish to solve that?
                    >
                    > Bayard
                    >
                    >
                  • Eric Hess
                    I m surprised that the woodworkers in the area didn t have any suggestions. Purpleheart is a pretty odd wood, in my experience, as I ve found that sun
                    Message 9 of 13 , Jun 10, 2009
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                      I'm surprised that the woodworkers in the area didn't have any suggestions. Purpleheart is a pretty odd wood, in my experience, as I've found that sun exposure actually brings back the purple, not the other way around. I am not 100% sure of that, but in the store where I work, the Purpleheart we have is easily distinguished between where the boards were exposed (very purple) to where they were hidden under other boards (a gray/purple/brown mix). I would suggest that you take a piece outside and leave it in EVEN sun for a couple of hours and see what happens. If I had some handy, I'd do it, but unfortunately, I have it up at my shop, not handy.
                      Eric

                      --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "kirkdrago" <kith@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > I haven't been working with purpleheart long enough for that to be a problem. I've been talking to other woodworkers in my area and other than the UV resistent finish, they haven't been able to recommend anything else.
                      >
                      > Thanks for the complement. I've got a few more projects in the works as soon as I finish a coffee table for my inlaws. Talk about a time suck, the one that was requested involves a cabinet and drawers as well as the table.
                      >
                      > Kirk
                      >
                      > --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "bayard_turner" <williams@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Very nicely done - I really like the inlay of "Spike".
                      > >
                      > > Have you had the usual problem of purple heart becoming brown in sunlight? Any ideas other than UV resistant finish to solve that?
                      > >
                      > > Bayard
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • Wm G
                      ... Sorry to say it is darker because it is on its way to looking like walnut without the reds at all. Woodworkers Journal
                      Message 10 of 13 , Jun 11, 2009
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                        Eric Hess wrote:
                        > I'm surprised that the woodworkers in the area didn't have any suggestions. Purpleheart is a pretty odd wood, in my experience, as I've found that sun exposure actually brings back the purple, not the other way around. I am not 100% sure of that, but in the store where I work, the Purpleheart we have is easily distinguished between where the boards were exposed (very purple) to where they were hidden under other boards (a gray/purple/brown mix). I would suggest that you take a piece outside and leave it in EVEN sun for a couple of hours and see what happens. If I had some handy, I'd do it, but unfortunately, I have it up at my shop, not handy.
                        > Eric
                        >
                        Sorry to say it is darker because it is on its way to looking like
                        walnut without the reds at all.
                        Woodworkers Journal
                        (http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/Main/Public/Home.aspx) had an article
                        on UV protection a while back. Check at the library for past issues and
                        see if there is something in the archives (the online version rolls to
                        the new month).

                        bw
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