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  • Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart
    let me try that link again.... http://s147.photobucket.com/albums/r295/ConalOhAirt/?action=view¤t=fauldstooldrillingjigidea.gif sorry.... Baron Conal
    Message 1 of 7 , Dec 8, 2008
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      let me try that link again....

      http://s147.photobucket.com/albums/r295/ConalOhAirt/?action=view&current=fauldstooldrillingjigidea.gif

      sorry....
       
      Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

      Aude Aliquid Dignum
      ' Dare Something Worthy '



      From: Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart <baronconal@...>
      To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 12:20:53 PM
      Subject: [MedievalSawdust] drilling jig with eccentric cam

      [IMG]http:// i147.photobucket .com/albums/ r295/ConalOhAirt /fauldstooldrill ingjigidea. gif[/IMG]

      I'm gonna make a jig to hold parts firmly in place for drilling
      and I was gonna use an eccentric cam for the 'clamp'.

      I understand the basic concept involved and do not think
      it would be a problem, but I figured it would not hurt to ask
      if anyone who had made something like this had any suggestions
      for problems they did not expect when they made theirs.

      This will be my first go at one and wanted to flatten my learning curve
      and save a little time.

      thanks in advance!
       
      Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

      Aude Aliquid Dignum
      ' Dare Something Worthy '



    • Rebekah d'Avignon
      When I bought my drill press (table top) a couple of years ago, I thought that it would save time. Then I spent 2 or 3 days making jigs to help me drill
      Message 2 of 7 , Dec 9, 2008
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        When I bought my drill press (table top) a couple of years ago, I thought that it would save time. Then I spent 2 or 3 days making jigs to help me drill consistantly. I understand the concept behind the cam system on this jig.....but let me ask - are you going to be drilling a number (10? 20? 50?) of identical parts in succession? A jig is useful for drilling a large number of holes (or cutting on a table saw) that are all identical. For instance, when making the "X" seats I am drilling 70+- holes in this spot and another 70+- here and they all have to be in the same place so that they align. My jigs (none of them) have cams. First off, I would question whether those cams would lock in place without being spring-loaded. Secondly, why would they need to lock?
         
        You are no doubt familiar with the Three Inch Rule and the Twelve Inch Rule....a) keep your body parts at least 3" from the moving parts of any power tool and b) if your wood is less than 12" long, should you use a power tool? There are a couple of tools where the 3" rule (IMHO) is safe to violate....if you use caution. One of those tools is the electric sander - I can't always keep my fingers at the minimum distance of 3", but I've never been injured by sandpaper. I sure that it's possible. The table saw, on the other hand, may remove either hand if you aren't careful. The drill press is another place where I frequently violate the 3" rule because there are times when I hold the wood with my hands and my fingers are much closer than 3" from the bit. The router is a different story. Router and table saw jigs need a locking device for the work because you are dealing with high speeds and pressure against the blade. I question the use of a locking device for a drill press because the work is not under the bit that long and the work is between the bit and the table - the only "pushing" is against the table. You may find that you are spending more time locking the work into position than actually drilling.
         
        It is, at worst, a clever system for creating pressure and would help prevent kickback from either a table router or table saw. Used in conjunction with feather boards, I can see them being very useful.
         


        Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart <baronconal@...> wrote:
        let me try that link again....

        http://s147. photobucket. com/albums/ r295/ConalOhAirt /?action= view&current=fauldstoold rillingjigidea. gif

        sorry....
         
        Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

        Aude Aliquid Dignum
        ' Dare Something Worthy '
        .




        RdA
        "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public offiials." George Mason
        "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe." Noah Webster

      • Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart
        yeah I m drilling a LOT of holes making X number of folding stools. 32 holes per stool..... maybe as many as 8 to 10 stools this time. I found that last time
        Message 3 of 7 , Dec 9, 2008
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          yeah I'm drilling a LOT of holes making X number of folding stools.
          32 holes per stool..... maybe as many as 8 to 10 stools this time.

          I found that last time simple variations in the grain of the wood
          would tend to have the drill bit drift off target if I was holding the
          wood by hand. ( the main purpose for this jig is for oak fauldstools )
          and if that happens the seat slats do not line up as well

          I got bored yesterday and made it anyway without waiting for advice.
          ( just to see what I'd get... )

          It holds very firmly... surprisingly so for how easy it is to clamp pieces
          in it.


           
          Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

          Aude Aliquid Dignum
          ' Dare Something Worthy '



          From: Rebekah d'Avignon <rebekahdavignon@...>
          To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 6:35:13 AM
          Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] drilling jig with eccentric cam

          When I bought my drill press (table top) a couple of years ago, I thought that it would save time. Then I spent 2 or 3 days making jigs to help me drill consistantly. I understand the concept behind the cam system on this jig.....but let me ask - are you going to be drilling a number (10? 20? 50?) of identical parts in succession? A jig is useful for drilling a large number of holes (or cutting on a table saw) that are all identical. For instance, when making the "X" seats I am drilling 70+- holes in this spot and another 70+- here and they all have to be in the same place so that they align. My jigs (none of them) have cams. First off, I would question whether those cams would lock in place without being spring-loaded. Secondly, why would they need to lock?
           
          You are no doubt familiar with the Three Inch Rule and the Twelve Inch Rule....a) keep your body parts at least 3" from the moving parts of any power tool and b) if your wood is less than 12" long, should you use a power tool? There are a couple of tools where the 3" rule (IMHO) is safe to violate....if you use caution. One of those tools is the electric sander - I can't always keep my fingers at the minimum distance of 3", but I've never been injured by sandpaper. I sure that it's possible. The table saw, on the other hand, may remove either hand if you aren't careful. The drill press is another place where I frequently violate the 3" rule because there are times when I hold the wood with my hands and my fingers are much closer than 3" from the bit. The router is a different story. Router and table saw jigs need a locking device for the work because you are dealing with high speeds and pressure against the blade. I question the use of a locking device for a drill press because the work is not under the bit that long and the work is between the bit and the table - the only "pushing" is against the table. You may find that you are spending more time locking the work into position than actually drilling.
           
          It is, at worst, a clever system for creating pressure and would help prevent kickback from either a table router or table saw. Used in conjunction with feather boards, I can see them being very useful.
           


          Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart <baronconal@yahoo. com> wrote:
          let me try that link again....

          http://s147. photobucket. com/albums/ r295/ConalOhAirt /?action= view&current=fauldstoold rillingjigidea. gif

          sorry....
           
          Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

          Aude Aliquid Dignum
          ' Dare Something Worthy '
          .




          RdA
          "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public offiials." George Mason
          "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe." Noah Webster


        • Rebekah d'Avignon
          Well, that would be a lot of holes. I m glad that it worked out for you. This is now something that I shall investigate for my own shop. Conal O hAirt Jim Hart
          Message 4 of 7 , Dec 9, 2008
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            Well, that would be a lot of holes. I'm glad that it worked out for you. This is now something that I shall investigate for my own shop.


            Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart <baronconal@...> wrote:
            yeah I'm drilling a LOT of holes making X number of folding stools.
            32 holes per stool..... maybe as many as 8 to 10 stools this time.

            I found that last time simple variations in the grain of the wood
            would tend to have the drill bit drift off target if I was holding the
            wood by hand. ( the main purpose for this jig is for oak fauldstools ) and if that happens the seat slats do not line up as well

            I got bored yesterday and made it anyway without waiting for advice. ( just to see what I'd get... )

            It holds very firmly... surprisingly so for how easy it is to clamp pieces in it.
             
            Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

            Aude Aliquid Dignum
            ' Dare Something Worthy '
            .




            RdA
            "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public offiials." George Mason
            "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe." Noah Webster

          • Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart
            I ll take a picture later today and throw it up here...... Baron Conal O hAirt / Jim Hart Aude Aliquid Dignum Dare Something Worthy
            Message 5 of 7 , Dec 9, 2008
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              I'll take a picture later today and throw it up here......


               
              Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

              Aude Aliquid Dignum
              ' Dare Something Worthy '



              From: Rebekah d'Avignon <rebekahdavignon@...>
              To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 9:15:43 AM
              Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] drilling jig with eccentric cam

              Well, that would be a lot of holes. I'm glad that it worked out for you. This is now something that I shall investigate for my own shop.


              Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart <baronconal@yahoo. com> wrote:
              yeah I'm drilling a LOT of holes making X number of folding stools.
              32 holes per stool..... maybe as many as 8 to 10 stools this time.

              I found that last time simple variations in the grain of the wood
              would tend to have the drill bit drift off target if I was holding the
              wood by hand. ( the main purpose for this jig is for oak fauldstools ) and if that happens the seat slats do not line up as well

              I got bored yesterday and made it anyway without waiting for advice. ( just to see what I'd get... )

              It holds very firmly... surprisingly so for how easy it is to clamp pieces in it.
               
              Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

              Aude Aliquid Dignum
              ' Dare Something Worthy '
              .




              RdA
              "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public offiials." George Mason
              "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe." Noah Webster


            • Dave Ordway
              Another option that I have had success with when constructing X chairs is to rough cut the pieces, drill one set of holes on each piece, then use the dowels
              Message 6 of 7 , Dec 9, 2008
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                Another option that I have had success with when constructing "X chairs" is to rough cut the pieces, drill one set of holes on each piece, then use the dowels that I plan to join them to connect the pieces to drill the remaining holes.  This method proves to give equal spacing on all pieces.  During the finishing phase (sanding or planing) I connect the same pieces with the dowels.  The end result is nicely aligned members which are extremely important for x or scissor chairs.  Plan on spending allot of time at the drill press but it's worth it.
                 
                Lagerstein
                 
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:50 AM
                Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] drilling jig with eccentric cam

                yeah I'm drilling a LOT of holes making X number of folding stools.
                32 holes per stool..... maybe as many as 8 to 10 stools this time.

                I found that last time simple variations in the grain of the wood
                would tend to have the drill bit drift off target if I was holding the
                wood by hand. ( the main purpose for this jig is for oak fauldstools )
                and if that happens the seat slats do not line up as well

                I got bored yesterday and made it anyway without waiting for advice.
                ( just to see what I'd get... )

                It holds very firmly... surprisingly so for how easy it is to clamp pieces
                in it.


                 
                Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

                Aude Aliquid Dignum
                ' Dare Something Worthy '



                From: Rebekah d'Avignon <rebekahdavignon@ yahoo.com>
                To: medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com
                Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 6:35:13 AM
                Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] drilling jig with eccentric cam

                When I bought my drill press (table top) a couple of years ago, I thought that it would save time. Then I spent 2 or 3 days making jigs to help me drill consistantly. I understand the concept behind the cam system on this jig.....but let me ask - are you going to be drilling a number (10? 20? 50?) of identical parts in succession? A jig is useful for drilling a large number of holes (or cutting on a table saw) that are all identical. For instance, when making the "X" seats I am drilling 70+- holes in this spot and another 70+- here and they all have to be in the same place so that they align. My jigs (none of them) have cams. First off, I would question whether those cams would lock in place without being spring-loaded. Secondly, why would they need to lock?
                 
                You are no doubt familiar with the Three Inch Rule and the Twelve Inch Rule....a) keep your body parts at least 3" from the moving parts of any power tool and b) if your wood is less than 12" long, should you use a power tool? There are a couple of tools where the 3" rule (IMHO) is safe to violate....if you use caution. One of those tools is the electric sander - I can't always keep my fingers at the minimum distance of 3", but I've never been injured by sandpaper. I sure that it's possible. The table saw, on the other hand, may remove either hand if you aren't careful. The drill press is another place where I frequently violate the 3" rule because there are times when I hold the wood with my hands and my fingers are much closer than 3" from the bit. The router is a different story. Router and table saw jigs need a locking device for the work because you are dealing with high speeds and pressure against the blade. I question the use of a locking device for a drill press because the work is not under the bit that long and the work is between the bit and the table - the only "pushing" is against the table. You may find that you are spending more time locking the work into position than actually drilling.
                 
                It is, at worst, a clever system for creating pressure and would help prevent kickback from either a table router or table saw. Used in conjunction with feather boards, I can see them being very useful.
                 


                Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart <baronconal@yahoo. com> wrote:
                let me try that link again....

                http://s147. photobucket. com/albums/ r295/ConalOhAirt /?action= view&current=fauldstoold rillingjigidea. gif

                sorry....
                 
                Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

                Aude Aliquid Dignum
                ' Dare Something Worthy '
                .




                RdA
                "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public offiials." George Mason
                "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe." Noah Webster


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