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  • urfch
    I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather, Has anyone taken
    Message 1 of 20 , Jun 8, 2011
      I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,

      Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or bad/

      chris scarlato Urfer
    • Oldiani@aol.com
      We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we did have the advantage
      Message 2 of 20 , Jun 8, 2011
        We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
        something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
        did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
        Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
        speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
        nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
        cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
        with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
        The food of course is wonderful!!
        Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
        mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
        city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
        That could be an option for you.

        Louise Julani



        -----Original Message-----
        : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
        To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
        Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza




        I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
        Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,

        Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
        bad/

        chris scarlato Urfer
      • William Spizzirri
        We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
        Message 3 of 20 , Jun 8, 2011
          We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato, the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  


          From: "Oldiani@..." <Oldiani@...>
          To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
          Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza

           

          We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
          something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
          did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
          Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
          speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
          nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
          cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
          with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
          The food of course is wonderful!!
          Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
          mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
          city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
          That could be an option for you.

          Louise Julani

          -----Original Message-----
          : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
          To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
          Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza

          I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
          Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,

          Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
          bad/

          chris scarlato Urfer

        • urfch@yahoo.com
          Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. I have some Spizzirri s in my tree from this area too. They immagrated into
          Message 4 of 20 , Jun 8, 2011
            Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano.  I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
            How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
            How did you locate the Cemeteries?
            Thanks for your reply
            Chris Scarlato Urfer




            From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
            To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
            Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
            Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
            Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza

             

            We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato, the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  


            From: "Oldiani@..." <Oldiani@...>
            To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
            Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza

             

            We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
            something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
            did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
            Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
            speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
            nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
            cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
            with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
            The food of course is wonderful!!
            Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
            mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
            city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
            That could be an option for you.

            Louise Julani

            -----Original Message-----
            : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
            To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
            Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza

            I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
            Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,

            Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
            bad/

            chris scarlato Urfer

          • William Spizzirri
            We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola.  Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive as little
            Message 5 of 20 , Jun 8, 2011
              We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
               
              Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure. Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
               
              There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
               
              If you drive yourself -  go with God.
               
              My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town. I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
               


              From: "urfch@..." <urfch@...>
              To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
              Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza

               

              Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano.  I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
              How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
              How did you locate the Cemeteries?
              Thanks for your reply
              Chris Scarlato Urfer




              From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
              To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
              Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
              Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
              Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza

               

              We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato, the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  


              From: "Oldiani@..." <Oldiani@...>
              To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
              Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza

               

              We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
              something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
              did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
              Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
              speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
              nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
              cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
              with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
              The food of course is wonderful!!
              Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
              mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
              city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
              That could be an option for you.

              Louise Julani

              -----Original Message-----
              : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
              To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
              Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza

              I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
              Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,

              Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
              bad/

              chris scarlato Urfer

            • LisaAnn
              Bill, I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of
              Message 6 of 20 , Aug 23, 2011
                Bill,
                I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano
                Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets
                of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the
                streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there.

                Thank you so much for opening my eyes to this.

                Lisa

                --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...> wrote:
                >
                > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
                >
                > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive
                > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving
                > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver
                > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my
                > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in
                > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic
                > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane
                > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for
                > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure.
                > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and
                > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye
                > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by
                > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can
                > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good
                > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
                >
                >
                > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive
                > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with
                > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one
                > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
                >
                >
                > If you drive yourself -  go with God.
                >
                > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It
                > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I
                > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town.
                > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I
                > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows
                > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
                >
                >
                >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: "urfch@..." <urfch@...>
                > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
                > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                >
                >  
                > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. 
                > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into
                > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather
                > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
                > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying
                > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
                > How did you locate the Cemeteries?
                > Thanks for your reply
                > Chris Scarlato Urfer
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
                > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
                > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
                > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                >
                >  
                > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We
                > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
                > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the
                > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained
                > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato,
                > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: "Oldiani@..." <Oldiani@...>
                > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
                > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                >
                >  
                > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
                > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
                > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
                > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
                > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
                > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
                > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
                > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
                > The food of course is wonderful!!
                > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
                > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
                > city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
                > That could be an option for you.
                >
                > Louise Julani
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
                > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
                > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                >
                > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
                > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,
                >
                > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
                > bad/
                >
                > chris scarlato Urfer
                >
              • Dan Plastina
                Hi Lisa,   Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as
                Message 7 of 20 , Aug 23, 2011
                  Hi Lisa,
                   
                  Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as you travel out of the village to the northwest and as you travel southward the road is known as Via Papa Giovanni XXIII (You can see this road on the map sent to you by Bill). It  is my hunch that this part of the road was once Via Curcio and was renamed in recent times to honour Pope John after his death. 
                   
                  I have a small favor to ask of you when you visit Castrolibro (some older folks still refer to it by its former name - Castrofranco). My paternal grandmother (Giuseppina Aiello)  was born there in the mid 1870s and I have been unsuccessful in tracking down any records of her family and those relatives known as Pincente. Are there any contacts or resources available in Castrolibero that may assist me (and others) in searching out relatives that were born there in the late 1800s (1870 - 1910). Much appreciated if you can find this out.
                   
                  Enjoy your visit and please let us know of your experiences. It is my intention to visit the area in 2012 for an extended period as I still have a few close relatives there (San Fili, Rende) and I certainly will be taking many pictures and sharing my experiences with others.
                   
                  Safe travels to you,
                   
                  Dan
                   
                  From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                  To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.coms
                  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:02:39 PM
                  Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                   
                  Bill,
                  I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there.

                  I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio?

                  Lisa

                  --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
                  >
                  > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive
                  > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving
                  > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver
                  > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my
                  > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in
                  > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic
                  > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane
                  > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for
                  > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure.
                  > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and
                  > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye
                  > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by
                  > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can
                  > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good
                  > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
                  >
                  >
                  > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive
                  > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with
                  > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one
                  > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
                  >
                  >
                  > If you drive yourself -  go with God.
                  >
                  > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It
                  > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I
                  > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town.
                  > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I
                  > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows
                  > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
                  >
                  >
                  >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ________________________________
                  > From: "urfch@..." <urfch@...>
                  > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                  >
                  >  
                  > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. 
                  > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into
                  > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather
                  > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
                  > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying
                  > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
                  > How did you locate the Cemeteries?
                  > Thanks for your reply
                  > Chris Scarlato Urfer
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ________________________________
                  > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
                  > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                  > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
                  > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                  >
                  >  
                  > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We
                  > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
                  > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the
                  > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained
                  > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato,
                  > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ________________________________
                  > From: "Oldiani@..." <Oldiani@...>
                  > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
                  > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                  >
                  >  
                  > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
                  > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
                  > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
                  > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
                  > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
                  > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
                  > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
                  > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
                  > The food of course is wonderful!!
                  > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
                  > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
                  > city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
                  > That could be an option for you.
                  >
                  > Louise Julani
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
                  > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
                  > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                  >
                  > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
                  > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,
                  >
                  > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
                  > bad/
                  >
                  > chris scarlato Urfer
                  >



                • Helen Anderson
                  Dan, I m glad you enjoyed your trip.   Maybe I can be of assistance you. I have a Giuseppina Aiello from Castelfranco or Castrolibero in my research her time
                  Message 8 of 20 , Aug 23, 2011
                    Dan, I'm glad you enjoyed your trip.
                     
                    Maybe I can be of assistance you. I have a Giuseppina Aiello from Castelfranco or Castrolibero in my research her time frame is off. I also have Pincente or Pingente in my records. If you have a specific name, I will check my records from Castelfranco for you.
                     
                    Helen

                    --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:

                    From: Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...>
                    Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                    To: "maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com" <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                    Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 8:24 PM

                     
                    Hi Lisa,
                     
                    Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as you travel out of the village to the northwest and as you travel southward the road is known as Via Papa Giovanni XXIII (You can see this road on the map sent to you by Bill). It  is my hunch that this part of the road was once Via Curcio and was renamed in recent times to honour Pope John after his death. 
                     
                    I have a small favor to ask of you when you visit Castrolibro (some older folks still refer to it by its former name - Castrofranco). My paternal grandmother (Giuseppina Aiello)  was born there in the mid 1870s and I have been unsuccessful in tracking down any records of her family and those relatives known as Pincente. Are there any contacts or resources available in Castrolibero that may assist me (and others) in searching out relatives that were born there in the late 1800s (1870 - 1910). Much appreciated if you can find this out.
                     
                    Enjoy your visit and please let us know of your experiences. It is my intention to visit the area in 2012 for an extended period as I still have a few close relatives there (San Fili, Rende) and I certainly will be taking many pictures and sharing my experiences with others.
                     
                    Safe travels to you,
                     
                    Dan
                     
                    From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                    To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.coms
                    Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:02:39 PM
                    Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                     
                    Bill,
                    I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there.

                    I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio?

                    Lisa

                    --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
                    >
                    > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive
                    > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving
                    > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver
                    > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my
                    > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in
                    > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic
                    > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane
                    > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for
                    > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure.
                    > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and
                    > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye
                    > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by
                    > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can
                    > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good
                    > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
                    >
                    >
                    > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive
                    > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with
                    > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one
                    > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
                    >
                    >
                    > If you drive yourself -  go with God.
                    >
                    > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It
                    > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I
                    > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town.
                    > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I
                    > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows
                    > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
                    >
                    >
                    >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > From: "urfch@..." <urfch@...>
                    > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                    >
                    >  
                    > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. 
                    > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into
                    > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather
                    > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
                    > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying
                    > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
                    > How did you locate the Cemeteries?
                    > Thanks for your reply
                    > Chris Scarlato Urfer
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
                    > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                    > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
                    > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                    >
                    >  
                    > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We
                    > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
                    > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the
                    > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained
                    > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato,
                    > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > From: "Oldiani@..." <Oldiani@...>
                    > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
                    > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                    >
                    >  
                    > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
                    > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
                    > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
                    > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
                    > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
                    > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
                    > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
                    > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
                    > The food of course is wonderful!!
                    > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
                    > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
                    > city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
                    > That could be an option for you.
                    >
                    > Louise Julani
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
                    > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
                    > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                    >
                    > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
                    > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,
                    >
                    > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
                    > bad/
                    >
                    > chris scarlato Urfer
                    >



                  • rose pennington
                    Bill, just wanted to finally thank you for the link also.  I ve used it and used it, and have enjoyed seeing the streets my family must have walked in
                    Message 9 of 20 , Aug 23, 2011
                      Bill, just wanted to finally thank you for the link also.  I've used it and used it, and have enjoyed seeing the streets my family must have walked in the "old country" so much. 
                       
                      Now for a question to the group.  I am researching the history of two residential addresses in MP; one belonging to my grandmother's family and the other of my grandfather's family.  I read that even way, way back in the day one couldn't just build a home; that one needed "approval" to build.  Does anyone know if that's correct, and/or where that approval would be recorded?  Something akin to our building permits of today maybe?  I don't have the year the residences were built or even the century but would sure like to know the name of the persons who first built them.  Any help on this would be much appreciated. 
                       
                      Rose


                      --- On Tue, 8/23/11, LisaAnn <LPRoots@...> wrote:

                      From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                      Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                      To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 3:07 PM

                       
                      Bill,
                      I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano
                      Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets
                      of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the
                      streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there.

                      Thank you so much for opening my eyes to this.

                      Lisa

                      --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
                      >
                      > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive
                      > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving
                      > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver
                      > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my
                      > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in
                      > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic
                      > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane
                      > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for
                      > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure.
                      > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and
                      > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye
                      > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by
                      > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can
                      > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good
                      > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
                      >
                      >
                      > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive
                      > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with
                      > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one
                      > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
                      >
                      >
                      > If you drive yourself -  go with God.
                      >
                      > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It
                      > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I
                      > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town.
                      > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I
                      > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows
                      > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
                      >
                      >
                      >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > From: "urfch@..." <urfch@...>
                      > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                      >
                      >  
                      > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. 
                      > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into
                      > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather
                      > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
                      > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying
                      > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
                      > How did you locate the Cemeteries?
                      > Thanks for your reply
                      > Chris Scarlato Urfer
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
                      > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                      > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
                      > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                      >
                      >  
                      > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We
                      > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
                      > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the
                      > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained
                      > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato,
                      > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > From: "Oldiani@..." <Oldiani@...>
                      > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
                      > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                      >
                      >  
                      > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
                      > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
                      > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
                      > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
                      > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
                      > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
                      > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
                      > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
                      > The food of course is wonderful!!
                      > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
                      > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
                      > city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
                      > That could be an option for you.
                      >
                      > Louise Julani
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
                      > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
                      > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                      >
                      > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
                      > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,
                      >
                      > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
                      > bad/
                      >
                      > chris scarlato Urfer
                      >

                    • Dan Plastina
                      Hi Helen,   I have had several short trips to Calabria over the years but that was before I retired and developed an interest in genealogy. I will return next
                      Message 10 of 20 , Aug 23, 2011
                        Hi Helen,
                         
                        I have had several short trips to Calabria over the years but that was before I retired and developed an interest in genealogy. I will return next year for a major research project about Rende (where I was born) and San Fili (where many of my ancestors also resided).
                         
                        There were a number of Giuseppina Aiello that show up in records in the archives of Cosenza but my grandmother was born  around 1875 in Castrolibero. Her siblings were Bruno, Francesca, Vincenzina (or Vincenza), Emilia and perhaps a Gelsomina (a Gelsamina).  Timeframe for their births would be between 1870 - 1890. She married Michele Plastina in Rende in 1897 or 1898.
                         
                        You're right about the spelling of Pincente (or Pingente) and there are records of Pungente as well. My great aunt Vincenzina Aiello married Eugenio Pincente in Castrolibero. I have records of Eugenio's decendants as most are still alive but I cannot find records of Eugenio's parents or the records of my grandmother's parents (I think it may be Giuseppe Aiello and Angela Morcavallo but I can't be certain until I find birthrecords and establish the names of their children). 
                         
                        I much appreciate your response.  It will be great if you can offer some assistance.
                         
                        Dan
                        From: Helen Anderson <hja_42@...
                        To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:45:57 AM
                        Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                         
                        Dan, I'm glad you enjoyed your trip.
                         
                        Maybe I can be of assistance you. I have a Giuseppina Aiello from Castelfranco or Castrolibero in my research her time frame is off. I also have Pincente or Pingente in my records. If you have a specific name, I will check my records from Castelfranco for you.
                         
                        Helen --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:

                        From: Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...>
                        Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                        To: "maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com" <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                        Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 8:24 PM

                         
                        Hi Lisa,
                         
                        Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as you travel out of the village to the northwest and as you travel southward the road is known as Via Papa Giovanni XXIII (You can see this road on the map sent to you by Bill). It  is my hunch that this part of the road was once Via Curcio and was renamed in recent times to honour Pope John after his death. 
                         
                        I have a small favor to ask of you when you visit Castrolibro (some older folks still refer to it by its former name - Castrofranco). My paternal grandmother (Giuseppina Aiello)  was born there in the mid 1870s and I have been unsuccessful in tracking down any records of her family and those relatives known as Pincente. Are there any contacts or resources available in Castrolibero that may assist me (and others) in searching out relatives that were born there in the late 1800s (1870 - 1910). Much appreciated if you can find this out.
                         
                        Enjoy your visit and please let us know of your experiences. It is my intention to visit the area in 2012 for an extended period as I still have a few close relatives there (San Fili, Rende) and I certainly will be taking many pictures and sharing my experiences with others.
                         
                        Safe travels to you,
                         
                        Dan
                         
                        From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.coms Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:02:39 PMSubject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                         
                        Bill, I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there. I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio? Lisa --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...> wrote: > > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola.  > > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure. > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome. > > > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value. > > > If you drive yourself -  go with God. > > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town. > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you. > > >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/ > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "urfch@..." <urfch@...> > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza > >   > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano.  > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am. > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving. > How did you locate the Cemeteries? > Thanks for your reply > Chris Scarlato Urfer > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...> > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@...> > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza > >   > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato, > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.   > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "Oldiani@..." <Oldiani@...> > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza > >   > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine. > The food of course is wonderful!! > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger > city who not only found the little village but served as translator. > That could be an option for you. > > Louise Julani > > -----Original Message----- > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com> > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza > > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather, > > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or > bad/ > > chris scarlato Urfer >
                      • LisaAnn
                        Hi Dan, I will try to get a name of someone in their comune office. But just wondering if you have tried searching the civil records for Castrolibero at a
                        Message 11 of 20 , Aug 24, 2011
                          Hi Dan,
                          I will try to get a name of someone in their comune office. But just wondering if you have tried searching the civil records for Castrolibero at a local family history center. I just looked up the availability of Castrolibero records, and it looks like the microfilms certainly cover the late 1800's. You will find that researching this microfilms is way more rewarding than writing for info. I have copied the list of Castrolibero microfilms avaialable through the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints below:

                          Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1809-1819 FHL INTL Film 1448041 Items 3-5

                          Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1819-1838 FHL INTL Film 1448042

                          Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1838-1855 FHL INTL Film 1448043

                          Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1856-1865 FHL INTL Film 1303929 Items 1 - 4

                          Nati 1866-1900 FHL INTL Film 1607610 Item 3

                          Pubblicazioni 1866-1900 -- Matrimoni 1866-1900 -- Morti 1866-1878 FHL INTL Film 1640786 Items 4 - 5

                          Morti 1879-1900 FHL INTL Film 1640787 Item 1

                          Nati, matrimoni, morti 1871 FHL INTL Film 1641505 Item 4

                          Nati, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1900-1910 FHL INTL Film 1641508 Item 1

                          More information on these microfilms as well as locating a family history center near to your home can be found at: www.familysearch.org.

                          Lisa
                          --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi Lisa,
                          >  
                          > Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as you travel out of the village to the northwest and as you travel southward the road is known as Via Papa Giovanni XXIII (You can see this road on the map sent to you by Bill). It  is my hunch that this part of the road was once Via Curcio and was renamed in recent times to honour Pope John after his death. 
                          >  
                          > I have a small favor to ask of you when you visit Castrolibro (some older folks still refer to it by its former name - Castrofranco). My paternal grandmother (Giuseppina Aiello)  was born there in the mid 1870s and I have been unsuccessful in tracking down any records of her family and those relatives known as Pincente. Are there any contacts or resources available in Castrolibero that may assist me (and others) in searching out relatives that were born there in the late 1800s (1870 - 1910). Much appreciated if you can find this out.
                          >  
                          > Enjoy your visit and please let us know of your experiences. It is my intention to visit the area in 2012 for an extended period as I still have a few close relatives there (San Fili, Rende) and I certainly will be taking many pictures and sharing my experiences with others.
                          >  
                          > Safe travels to you,
                          >  
                          > Dan
                          >  
                          >
                          > From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                          > To: maranofamilies@...
                          > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:02:39 PM
                          > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                          >
                          >  
                          > Bill,
                          > I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there.
                          >
                          > I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio?
                          >
                          > Lisa
                          >
                          > --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
                          > >
                          > > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive
                          > > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving
                          > > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver
                          > > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my
                          > > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in
                          > > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic
                          > > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane
                          > > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for
                          > > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure.
                          > > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and
                          > > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye
                          > > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by
                          > > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can
                          > > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good
                          > > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive
                          > > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with
                          > > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one
                          > > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > If you drive yourself -  go with God.
                          > >
                          > > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It
                          > > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I
                          > > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town.
                          > > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I
                          > > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows
                          > > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ________________________________
                          > > From: "urfch@" <urfch@>
                          > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
                          > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                          > >
                          > >  
                          > > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. 
                          > > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into
                          > > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather
                          > > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
                          > > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying
                          > > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
                          > > How did you locate the Cemeteries?
                          > > Thanks for your reply
                          > > Chris Scarlato Urfer
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ________________________________
                          > > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                          > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                          > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
                          > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                          > >
                          > >  
                          > > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We
                          > > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
                          > > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the
                          > > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained
                          > > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato,
                          > > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ________________________________
                          > > From: "Oldiani@" <Oldiani@>
                          > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
                          > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                          > >
                          > >  
                          > > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
                          > > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
                          > > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
                          > > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
                          > > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
                          > > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
                          > > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
                          > > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
                          > > The food of course is wonderful!!
                          > > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
                          > > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
                          > > city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
                          > > That could be an option for you.
                          > >
                          > > Louise Julani
                          > >
                          > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
                          > > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
                          > > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                          > >
                          > > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
                          > > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,
                          > >
                          > > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
                          > > bad/
                          > >
                          > > chris scarlato Urfer
                          > >
                          >
                        • Dan Plastina
                          Thanks Lisa,   We actually have a resource center in the neighboring city of Brampton, Ontario - not more than a half-hour drive!  I ll give it a try and I
                          Message 12 of 20 , Aug 24, 2011
                            Thanks Lisa,
                             
                            We actually have a resource center in the neighboring city of Brampton, Ontario - not more than a half-hour drive!  I'll give it a try and I appreciate the list of microfilms. I'm sure it will make it much easier to locate the specific records that I'm seeking.  Again, bon voyage!
                             
                            Dan

                            From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                            To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:19:08 PM
                            Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                             

                            Hi Dan,
                            I will try to get a name of someone in their comune office. But just wondering if you have tried searching the civil records for Castrolibero at a local family history center. I just looked up the availability of Castrolibero records, and it looks like the microfilms certainly cover the late 1800's. You will find that researching this microfilms is way more rewarding than writing for info. I have copied the list of Castrolibero microfilms avaialable through the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints below:

                            Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1809-1819 FHL INTL Film 1448041 Items 3-5

                            Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1819-1838 FHL INTL Film 1448042

                            Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1838-1855 FHL INTL Film 1448043

                            Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1856-1865 FHL INTL Film 1303929 Items 1 - 4

                            Nati 1866-1900 FHL INTL Film 1607610 Item 3

                            Pubblicazioni 1866-1900 -- Matrimoni 1866-1900 -- Morti 1866-1878 FHL INTL Film 1640786 Items 4 - 5

                            Morti 1879-1900 FHL INTL Film 1640787 Item 1

                            Nati, matrimoni, morti 1871 FHL INTL Film 1641505 Item 4

                            Nati, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1900-1910 FHL INTL Film 1641508 Item 1

                            More information on these microfilms as well as locating a family history center near to your home can be found at: www.familysearch.org.

                            Lisa
                            --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Hi Lisa,
                            >  
                            > Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as you travel out of the village to the northwest and as you travel southward the road is known as Via Papa Giovanni XXIII (You can see this road on the map sent to you by Bill). It  is my hunch that this part of the road was once Via Curcio and was renamed in recent times to honour Pope John after his death. 
                            >  
                            > I have a small favor to ask of you when you visit Castrolibro (some older folks still refer to it by its former name - Castrofranco). My paternal grandmother (Giuseppina Aiello)  was born there in the mid 1870s and I have been unsuccessful in tracking down any records of her family and those relatives known as Pincente. Are there any contacts or resources available in Castrolibero that may assist me (and others) in searching out relatives that were born there in the late 1800s (1870 - 1910). Much appreciated if you can find this out.
                            >  
                            > Enjoy your visit and please let us know of your experiences. It is my intention to visit the area in 2012 for an extended period as I still have a few close relatives there (San Fili, Rende) and I certainly will be taking many pictures and sharing my experiences with others.
                            >  
                            > Safe travels to you,
                            >  
                            > Dan
                            >  
                            >
                            > From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                            > To: maranofamilies@...
                            > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:02:39 PM
                            > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                            >
                            >  
                            > Bill,
                            > I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there.
                            >
                            > I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio?
                            >
                            > Lisa
                            >
                            > --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
                            > >
                            > > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive
                            > > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving
                            > > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver
                            > > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my
                            > > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in
                            > > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic
                            > > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane
                            > > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for
                            > > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure.
                            > > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and
                            > > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye
                            > > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by
                            > > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can
                            > > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good
                            > > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive
                            > > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with
                            > > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one
                            > > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > If you drive yourself -  go with God.
                            > >
                            > > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It
                            > > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I
                            > > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town.
                            > > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I
                            > > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows
                            > > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ________________________________
                            > > From: "urfch@" <urfch@>
                            > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
                            > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                            > >
                            > >  
                            > > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. 
                            > > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into
                            > > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather
                            > > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
                            > > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying
                            > > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
                            > > How did you locate the Cemeteries?
                            > > Thanks for your reply
                            > > Chris Scarlato Urfer
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ________________________________
                            > > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                            > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                            > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
                            > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                            > >
                            > >  
                            > > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We
                            > > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
                            > > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the
                            > > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained
                            > > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato,
                            > > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ________________________________
                            > > From: "Oldiani@" <Oldiani@>
                            > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
                            > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                            > >
                            > >  
                            > > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
                            > > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
                            > > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
                            > > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
                            > > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
                            > > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
                            > > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
                            > > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
                            > > The food of course is wonderful!!
                            > > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
                            > > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
                            > > city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
                            > > That could be an option for you.
                            > >
                            > > Louise Julani
                            > >
                            > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
                            > > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
                            > > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                            > >
                            > > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
                            > > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,
                            > >
                            > > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
                            > > bad/
                            > >
                            > > chris scarlato Urfer
                            > >
                            >



                          • Erminia Angilletta
                            Dan are you talking about the LDS temple in Brampton where the conference was held last year 20 August? http://lds.org/church/temples/toronto-ontario?lang=eng
                            Message 13 of 20 , Aug 24, 2011
                              Dan are you talking about the LDS temple in Brampton where the conference was held last year 20 August? 

                              http://lds.org/church/temples/toronto-ontario?lang=eng

                              I had done the research for Councillor John Sprovieri.  Will anyone be at this years conference? 

                              Lisa I envy you going. I haven't been to the comuni in Coseza (Malito, San Fili, Rendi, Marano or Grimaldi) since 1972 - although I have been to Reggio and Catanzaro a few times since. 
                              Nuccia
                              http://www.gentedimaregenealogy.com
                              http://www.calabriaexchange.com
                              Researching: Napolitano, Macchione, Volpentesta, Scarlato, Spina, Cardamone



                              On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                               

                              Thanks Lisa,
                               
                              We actually have a resource center in the neighboring city of Brampton, Ontario - not more than a half-hour drive!  I'll give it a try and I appreciate the list of microfilms. I'm sure it will make it much easier to locate the specific records that I'm seeking.  Again, bon voyage!
                               
                              Dan

                              From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                              To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:19:08 PM

                              Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                               

                              Hi Dan,
                              I will try to get a name of someone in their comune office. But just wondering if you have tried searching the civil records for Castrolibero at a local family history center. I just looked up the availability of Castrolibero records, and it looks like the microfilms certainly cover the late 1800's. You will find that researching this microfilms is way more rewarding than writing for info. I have copied the list of Castrolibero microfilms avaialable through the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints below:

                              Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1809-1819 FHL INTL Film 1448041 Items 3-5

                              Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1819-1838 FHL INTL Film 1448042

                              Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1838-1855 FHL INTL Film 1448043

                              Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1856-1865 FHL INTL Film 1303929 Items 1 - 4

                              Nati 1866-1900 FHL INTL Film 1607610 Item 3

                              Pubblicazioni 1866-1900 -- Matrimoni 1866-1900 -- Morti 1866-1878 FHL INTL Film 1640786 Items 4 - 5

                              Morti 1879-1900 FHL INTL Film 1640787 Item 1

                              Nati, matrimoni, morti 1871 FHL INTL Film 1641505 Item 4

                              Nati, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1900-1910 FHL INTL Film 1641508 Item 1

                              More information on these microfilms as well as locating a family history center near to your home can be found at: www.familysearch.org.

                              Lisa
                              --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Hi Lisa,
                              >  
                              > Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as you travel out of the village to the northwest and as you travel southward the road is known as Via Papa Giovanni XXIII (You can see this road on the map sent to you by Bill). It  is my hunch that this part of the road was once Via Curcio and was renamed in recent times to honour Pope John after his death. 
                              >  
                              > I have a small favor to ask of you when you visit Castrolibro (some older folks still refer to it by its former name - Castrofranco). My paternal grandmother (Giuseppina Aiello)  was born there in the mid 1870s and I have been unsuccessful in tracking down any records of her family and those relatives known as Pincente. Are there any contacts or resources available in Castrolibero that may assist me (and others) in searching out relatives that were born there in the late 1800s (1870 - 1910). Much appreciated if you can find this out.
                              >  
                              > Enjoy your visit and please let us know of your experiences. It is my intention to visit the area in 2012 for an extended period as I still have a few close relatives there (San Fili, Rende) and I certainly will be taking many pictures and sharing my experiences with others.
                              >  
                              > Safe travels to you,
                              >  
                              > Dan
                              >  
                              >
                              > From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                              > To: maranofamilies@...
                              > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:02:39 PM
                              > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                              >
                              >  
                              > Bill,
                              > I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there.
                              >
                              > I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio?
                              >
                              > Lisa
                              >
                              > --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
                              > >
                              > > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive
                              > > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving
                              > > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver
                              > > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my
                              > > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in
                              > > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic
                              > > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane
                              > > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for
                              > > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure.
                              > > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and
                              > > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye
                              > > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by
                              > > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can
                              > > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good
                              > > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive
                              > > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with
                              > > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one
                              > > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > If you drive yourself -  go with God.
                              > >
                              > > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It
                              > > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I
                              > > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town.
                              > > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I
                              > > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows
                              > > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ________________________________
                              > > From: "urfch@" <urfch@>
                              > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
                              > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                              > >
                              > >  
                              > > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. 
                              > > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into
                              > > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather
                              > > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
                              > > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying
                              > > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
                              > > How did you locate the Cemeteries?
                              > > Thanks for your reply
                              > > Chris Scarlato Urfer
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ________________________________
                              > > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                              > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                              > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
                              > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                              > >
                              > >  
                              > > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We
                              > > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
                              > > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the
                              > > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained
                              > > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato,
                              > > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ________________________________
                              > > From: "Oldiani@" <Oldiani@>
                              > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
                              > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                              > >
                              > >  
                              > > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
                              > > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
                              > > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
                              > > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
                              > > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
                              > > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
                              > > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
                              > > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
                              > > The food of course is wonderful!!
                              > > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
                              > > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
                              > > city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
                              > > That could be an option for you.
                              > >
                              > > Louise Julani
                              > >
                              > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
                              > > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
                              > > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                              > >
                              > > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
                              > > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,
                              > >
                              > > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
                              > > bad/
                              > >
                              > > chris scarlato Urfer
                              > >
                              >




                            • Dan Plastina
                              Hi Nuccia,   Not sure which conference you are referring to but the temple/resource center is indeed the one I m referring to. I live in the Town of Caledon
                              Message 14 of 20 , Aug 24, 2011
                                Hi Nuccia,
                                 
                                Not sure which conference you are referring to but the temple/resource center is indeed the one I'm referring to. I live in the Town of Caledon which borders Brampton. John Sprovieri is a Regional Councillor in Brampton serving Wards 9 and 10. Brampton has a population of about 500,000 whereas Caledon covers a much larger area but has a population of about 60,000. Italians constitute the largest ethnic group in the Greater Toronto area.
                                 
                                Are you Canadian or from the USA?
                                 
                                Dan
                                From: Erminia Angilletta <nuccia.salvati@...>
                                To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:37:31 PM
                                Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                                 
                                Dan are you talking about the LDS temple in Brampton where the conference was held last year 20 August? 

                                http://lds.org/church/temples/toronto-ontario?lang=eng

                                I had done the research for Councillor John Sprovieri.  Will anyone be at this years conference? 

                                Lisa I envy you going. I haven't been to the comuni in Coseza (Malito, San Fili, Rendi, Marano or Grimaldi) since 1972 - although I have been to Reggio and Catanzaro a few times since. 
                                Nuccia
                                http://www.gentedimaregenealogy.com
                                http://www.calabriaexchange.com
                                Researching: Napolitano, Macchione, Volpentesta, Scarlato, Spina, Cardamone



                                On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                                 
                                Thanks Lisa,
                                 
                                We actually have a resource center in the neighboring city of Brampton, Ontario - not more than a half-hour drive!  I'll give it a try and I appreciate the list of microfilms. I'm sure it will make it much easier to locate the specific records that I'm seeking.  Again, bon voyage!
                                 
                                Dan

                                From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                                To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:19:08 PM

                                Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                                 

                                Hi Dan,
                                I will try to get a name of someone in their comune office. But just wondering if you have tried searching the civil records for Castrolibero at a local family history center. I just looked up the availability of Castrolibero records, and it looks like the microfilms certainly cover the late 1800's. You will find that researching this microfilms is way more rewarding than writing for info. I have copied the list of Castrolibero microfilms avaialable through the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints below:

                                Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1809-1819 FHL INTL Film 1448041 Items 3-5

                                Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1819-1838 FHL INTL Film 1448042

                                Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1838-1855 FHL INTL Film 1448043

                                Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1856-1865 FHL INTL Film 1303929 Items 1 - 4

                                Nati 1866-1900 FHL INTL Film 1607610 Item 3

                                Pubblicazioni 1866-1900 -- Matrimoni 1866-1900 -- Morti 1866-1878 FHL INTL Film 1640786 Items 4 - 5

                                Morti 1879-1900 FHL INTL Film 1640787 Item 1

                                Nati, matrimoni, morti 1871 FHL INTL Film 1641505 Item 4

                                Nati, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1900-1910 FHL INTL Film 1641508 Item 1

                                More information on these microfilms as well as locating a family history center near to your home can be found at: www.familysearch.org.

                                Lisa
                                --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Hi Lisa,
                                >  
                                > Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as you travel out of the village to the northwest and as you travel southward the road is known as Via Papa Giovanni XXIII (You can see this road on the map sent to you by Bill). It  is my hunch that this part of the road was once Via Curcio and was renamed in recent times to honour Pope John after his death. 
                                >  
                                > I have a small favor to ask of you when you visit Castrolibro (some older folks still refer to it by its former name - Castrofranco). My paternal grandmother (Giuseppina Aiello)  was born there in the mid 1870s and I have been unsuccessful in tracking down any records of her family and those relatives known as Pincente. Are there any contacts or resources available in Castrolibero that may assist me (and others) in searching out relatives that were born there in the late 1800s (1870 - 1910). Much appreciated if you can find this out.
                                >  
                                > Enjoy your visit and please let us know of your experiences. It is my intention to visit the area in 2012 for an extended period as I still have a few close relatives there (San Fili, Rende) and I certainly will be taking many pictures and sharing my experiences with others.
                                >  
                                > Safe travels to you,
                                >  
                                > Dan
                                >  
                                >
                                > From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                                > To: maranofamilies@...
                                > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:02:39 PM
                                > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                >
                                >  
                                > Bill,
                                > I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there.
                                >
                                > I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio?
                                >
                                > Lisa
                                >
                                > --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
                                > >
                                > > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive
                                > > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving
                                > > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver
                                > > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my
                                > > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in
                                > > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic
                                > > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane
                                > > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for
                                > > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure.
                                > > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and
                                > > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye
                                > > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by
                                > > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can
                                > > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good
                                > > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive
                                > > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with
                                > > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one
                                > > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > If you drive yourself -  go with God.
                                > >
                                > > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It
                                > > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I
                                > > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town.
                                > > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I
                                > > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows
                                > > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ________________________________
                                > > From: "urfch@" <urfch@>
                                > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
                                > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                > >
                                > >  
                                > > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. 
                                > > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into
                                > > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather
                                > > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
                                > > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying
                                > > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
                                > > How did you locate the Cemeteries?
                                > > Thanks for your reply
                                > > Chris Scarlato Urfer
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ________________________________
                                > > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                                > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                                > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
                                > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                > >
                                > >  
                                > > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We
                                > > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
                                > > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the
                                > > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained
                                > > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato,
                                > > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ________________________________
                                > > From: "Oldiani@" <Oldiani@>
                                > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
                                > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                > >
                                > >  
                                > > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
                                > > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
                                > > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
                                > > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
                                > > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
                                > > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
                                > > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
                                > > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
                                > > The food of course is wonderful!!
                                > > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
                                > > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
                                > > city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
                                > > That could be an option for you.
                                > >
                                > > Louise Julani
                                > >
                                > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
                                > > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
                                > > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                > >
                                > > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
                                > > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,
                                > >
                                > > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
                                > > bad/
                                > >
                                > > chris scarlato Urfer
                                > >
                                >






                              • Erminia Angilletta
                                Hi Dan, I m in Toronto not too far from ST Clair Ave West - and yes, it was once heavily populated with Italians. While there is still a large community of
                                Message 15 of 20 , Aug 24, 2011
                                  Hi Dan,

                                  I'm in Toronto not too far from ST Clair Ave West - and yes, it was once heavily populated with Italians.  While there is still a large community of them here now, most have moved out to Woodbridge, etc. 

                                  Last year the FHC began holding a Family History Conference  known as

                                  One World - One Family Conference  There were over 300 people in attendance including John where we presented him with some information about his family.  He has deep roots in Rovito and Luzzi.  This years workshop is being held at the FHC I usually go on Sept 17 at 24 Ferrand Drive.  The information about it is here -


                                  http://www.oneworldonefamily-theevent.com/

                                  Not sure if I will  be attending again this year but I am thinking about it since it was a lot of fun last year.  Also a great place to meet people without breaking the bank [attendance is only $20 and they provide a box lunch].
                                  Nuccia
                                  http://www.gentedimaregenealogy.com
                                  http://www.calabriaexchange.com
                                  "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one"



                                  On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                                   

                                  Hi Nuccia,
                                   
                                  Not sure which conference you are referring to but the temple/resource center is indeed the one I'm referring to. I live in the Town of Caledon which borders Brampton. John Sprovieri is a Regional Councillor in Brampton serving Wards 9 and 10. Brampton has a population of about 500,000 whereas Caledon covers a much larger area but has a population of about 60,000. Italians constitute the largest ethnic group in the Greater Toronto area.
                                   
                                  Are you Canadian or from the USA?
                                   
                                  Dan
                                  From: Erminia Angilletta <nuccia.salvati@...>
                                  To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:37:31 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                                   
                                  Dan are you talking about the LDS temple in Brampton where the conference was held last year 20 August? 

                                  http://lds.org/church/temples/toronto-ontario?lang=eng

                                  I had done the research for Councillor John Sprovieri.  Will anyone be at this years conference? 

                                  Lisa I envy you going. I haven't been to the comuni in Coseza (Malito, San Fili, Rendi, Marano or Grimaldi) since 1972 - although I have been to Reggio and Catanzaro a few times since. 
                                  Nuccia
                                  http://www.gentedimaregenealogy.com
                                  http://www.calabriaexchange.com
                                  Researching: Napolitano, Macchione, Volpentesta, Scarlato, Spina, Cardamone



                                  On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                                   
                                  Thanks Lisa,
                                   
                                  We actually have a resource center in the neighboring city of Brampton, Ontario - not more than a half-hour drive!  I'll give it a try and I appreciate the list of microfilms. I'm sure it will make it much easier to locate the specific records that I'm seeking.  Again, bon voyage!
                                   
                                  Dan

                                  From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                                  To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:19:08 PM

                                  Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                                   

                                  Hi Dan,
                                  I will try to get a name of someone in their comune office. But just wondering if you have tried searching the civil records for Castrolibero at a local family history center. I just looked up the availability of Castrolibero records, and it looks like the microfilms certainly cover the late 1800's. You will find that researching this microfilms is way more rewarding than writing for info. I have copied the list of Castrolibero microfilms avaialable through the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints below:

                                  Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1809-1819 FHL INTL Film 1448041 Items 3-5

                                  Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1819-1838 FHL INTL Film 1448042

                                  Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1838-1855 FHL INTL Film 1448043

                                  Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1856-1865 FHL INTL Film 1303929 Items 1 - 4

                                  Nati 1866-1900 FHL INTL Film 1607610 Item 3

                                  Pubblicazioni 1866-1900 -- Matrimoni 1866-1900 -- Morti 1866-1878 FHL INTL Film 1640786 Items 4 - 5

                                  Morti 1879-1900 FHL INTL Film 1640787 Item 1

                                  Nati, matrimoni, morti 1871 FHL INTL Film 1641505 Item 4

                                  Nati, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1900-1910 FHL INTL Film 1641508 Item 1

                                  More information on these microfilms as well as locating a family history center near to your home can be found at: www.familysearch.org.

                                  Lisa
                                  --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Hi Lisa,
                                  >  
                                  > Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as you travel out of the village to the northwest and as you travel southward the road is known as Via Papa Giovanni XXIII (You can see this road on the map sent to you by Bill). It  is my hunch that this part of the road was once Via Curcio and was renamed in recent times to honour Pope John after his death. 
                                  >  
                                  > I have a small favor to ask of you when you visit Castrolibro (some older folks still refer to it by its former name - Castrofranco). My paternal grandmother (Giuseppina Aiello)  was born there in the mid 1870s and I have been unsuccessful in tracking down any records of her family and those relatives known as Pincente. Are there any contacts or resources available in Castrolibero that may assist me (and others) in searching out relatives that were born there in the late 1800s (1870 - 1910). Much appreciated if you can find this out.
                                  >  
                                  > Enjoy your visit and please let us know of your experiences. It is my intention to visit the area in 2012 for an extended period as I still have a few close relatives there (San Fili, Rende) and I certainly will be taking many pictures and sharing my experiences with others.
                                  >  
                                  > Safe travels to you,
                                  >  
                                  > Dan
                                  >  
                                  >
                                  > From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                                  > To: maranofamilies@...
                                  > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:02:39 PM
                                  > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                  >
                                  >  
                                  > Bill,
                                  > I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there.
                                  >
                                  > I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio?
                                  >
                                  > Lisa
                                  >
                                  > --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
                                  > >
                                  > > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive
                                  > > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving
                                  > > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver
                                  > > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my
                                  > > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in
                                  > > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic
                                  > > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane
                                  > > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for
                                  > > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure.
                                  > > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and
                                  > > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye
                                  > > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by
                                  > > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can
                                  > > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good
                                  > > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive
                                  > > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with
                                  > > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one
                                  > > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > If you drive yourself -  go with God.
                                  > >
                                  > > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It
                                  > > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I
                                  > > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town.
                                  > > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I
                                  > > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows
                                  > > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ________________________________
                                  > > From: "urfch@" <urfch@>
                                  > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
                                  > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                  > >
                                  > >  
                                  > > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. 
                                  > > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into
                                  > > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather
                                  > > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
                                  > > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying
                                  > > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
                                  > > How did you locate the Cemeteries?
                                  > > Thanks for your reply
                                  > > Chris Scarlato Urfer
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ________________________________
                                  > > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                                  > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                                  > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
                                  > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                  > >
                                  > >  
                                  > > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We
                                  > > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
                                  > > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the
                                  > > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained
                                  > > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato,
                                  > > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ________________________________
                                  > > From: "Oldiani@" <Oldiani@>
                                  > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
                                  > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                  > >
                                  > >  
                                  > > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
                                  > > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
                                  > > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
                                  > > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
                                  > > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
                                  > > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
                                  > > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
                                  > > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
                                  > > The food of course is wonderful!!
                                  > > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
                                  > > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
                                  > > city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
                                  > > That could be an option for you.
                                  > >
                                  > > Louise Julani
                                  > >
                                  > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
                                  > > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
                                  > > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                  > >
                                  > > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
                                  > > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,
                                  > >
                                  > > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
                                  > > bad/
                                  > >
                                  > > chris scarlato Urfer
                                  > >
                                  >







                                • charlene misurelli
                                  Hello Everyone!Nice to see action on the website again!! Dan:Was HAPPY to see that you are going to Rende next year. I am planning a trip too, but could not
                                  Message 16 of 20 , Aug 24, 2011
                                    Hello Everyone!
                                    Nice to see action on the website again!!

                                    Dan:
                                    Was HAPPY to see that you are going to Rende next year. I am planning a trip too, but could not find a tour group that goes there, so I was just thrilled to see your message.

                                    I live in Calgary Alberta and my grandfather came from Rende and I always wanted to go there. He was on his way to Kenosha to live with family there but got stuck here.

                                    Anyway, when do you plan to go? I can go anytime, just not July or August as anything above 25c is killer heat for us. (Are you flying out of Toronto?) 
                                    Would really appreciate details on the best way to get there and where to stay, would like to spend a month checking the "tree".  NO, I won't be driving on account of other members, like Bill Spizzeri who said driving is a "nightmare" and I don't think God is even in the car with you over there. (My cuz claims he gets out and walks).

                                    Anybody else planning to go? We can make this a group trip??

                                    PS sounds like the East is having a very bad week. Jack Layton, tornado, earthquake and now a hurricane on the way...

                                    Charlene Misurelli

                                    --- On Thu, 8/25/11, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:

                                    From: Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...>
                                    Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                    To: "maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com" <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Received: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 12:21 AM

                                     

                                    Hi Nuccia,
                                     
                                    Not sure which conference you are referring to but the temple/resource center is indeed the one I'm referring to. I live in the Town of Caledon which borders Brampton. John Sprovieri is a Regional Councillor in Brampton serving Wards 9 and 10. Brampton has a population of about 500,000 whereas Caledon covers a much larger area but has a population of about 60,000. Italians constitute the largest ethnic group in the Greater Toronto area.
                                     
                                    Are you Canadian or from the USA?
                                     
                                    Dan
                                    From: Erminia Angilletta <nuccia.salvati@...>
                                    To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:37:31 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                                     
                                    Dan are you talking about the LDS temple in Brampton where the conference was held last year 20 August? 

                                    http://lds.org/church/temples/toronto-ontario?lang=eng

                                    I had done the research for Councillor John Sprovieri.  Will anyone be at this years conference? 

                                    Lisa I envy you going. I haven't been to the comuni in Coseza (Malito, San Fili, Rendi, Marano or Grimaldi) since 1972 - although I have been to Reggio and Catanzaro a few times since. 
                                    Nuccia
                                    http://www.gentedimaregenealogy.com
                                    http://www.calabriaexchange.com
                                    Researching: Napolitano, Macchione, Volpentesta, Scarlato, Spina, Cardamone



                                    On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                                     
                                    Thanks Lisa,
                                     
                                    We actually have a resource center in the neighboring city of Brampton, Ontario - not more than a half-hour drive!  I'll give it a try and I appreciate the list of microfilms. I'm sure it will make it much easier to locate the specific records that I'm seeking.  Again, bon voyage!
                                     
                                    Dan

                                    From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                                    To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:19:08 PM

                                    Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                                     

                                    Hi Dan,
                                    I will try to get a name of someone in their comune office. But just wondering if you have tried searching the civil records for Castrolibero at a local family history center. I just looked up the availability of Castrolibero records, and it looks like the microfilms certainly cover the late 1800's. You will find that researching this microfilms is way more rewarding than writing for info. I have copied the list of Castrolibero microfilms avaialable through the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints below:

                                    Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1809-1819 FHL INTL Film 1448041 Items 3-5

                                    Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1819-1838 FHL INTL Film 1448042

                                    Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1838-1855 FHL INTL Film 1448043

                                    Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1856-1865 FHL INTL Film 1303929 Items 1 - 4

                                    Nati 1866-1900 FHL INTL Film 1607610 Item 3

                                    Pubblicazioni 1866-1900 -- Matrimoni 1866-1900 -- Morti 1866-1878 FHL INTL Film 1640786 Items 4 - 5

                                    Morti 1879-1900 FHL INTL Film 1640787 Item 1

                                    Nati, matrimoni, morti 1871 FHL INTL Film 1641505 Item 4

                                    Nati, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1900-1910 FHL INTL Film 1641508 Item 1

                                    More information on these microfilms as well as locating a family history center near to your home can be found at: www.familysearch.org.

                                    Lisa
                                    --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Hi Lisa,
                                    >  
                                    > Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as you travel out of the village to the northwest and as you travel southward the road is known as Via Papa Giovanni XXIII (You can see this road on the map sent to you by Bill). It  is my hunch that this part of the road was once Via Curcio and was renamed in recent times to honour Pope John after his death. 
                                    >  
                                    > I have a small favor to ask of you when you visit Castrolibro (some older folks still refer to it by its former name - Castrofranco). My paternal grandmother (Giuseppina Aiello)  was born there in the mid 1870s and I have been unsuccessful in tracking down any records of her family and those relatives known as Pincente. Are there any contacts or resources available in Castrolibero that may assist me (and others) in searching out relatives that were born there in the late 1800s (1870 - 1910). Much appreciated if you can find this out.
                                    >  
                                    > Enjoy your visit and please let us know of your experiences. It is my intention to visit the area in 2012 for an extended period as I still have a few close relatives there (San Fili, Rende) and I certainly will be taking many pictures and sharing my experiences with others.
                                    >  
                                    > Safe travels to you,
                                    >  
                                    > Dan
                                    >  
                                    >
                                    > From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                                    > To: maranofamilies@...
                                    > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:02:39 PM
                                    > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                    >
                                    >  
                                    > Bill,
                                    > I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there.
                                    >
                                    > I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio?
                                    >
                                    > Lisa
                                    >
                                    > --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
                                    > >
                                    > > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive
                                    > > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving
                                    > > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver
                                    > > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my
                                    > > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in
                                    > > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic
                                    > > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane
                                    > > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for
                                    > > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure.
                                    > > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and
                                    > > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye
                                    > > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by
                                    > > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can
                                    > > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good
                                    > > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive
                                    > > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with
                                    > > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one
                                    > > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > If you drive yourself -  go with God.
                                    > >
                                    > > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It
                                    > > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I
                                    > > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town.
                                    > > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I
                                    > > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows
                                    > > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > ________________________________
                                    > > From: "urfch@" <urfch@>
                                    > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
                                    > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                    > >
                                    > >  
                                    > > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. 
                                    > > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into
                                    > > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather
                                    > > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
                                    > > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying
                                    > > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
                                    > > How did you locate the Cemeteries?
                                    > > Thanks for your reply
                                    > > Chris Scarlato Urfer
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > ________________________________
                                    > > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                                    > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                                    > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
                                    > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                    > >
                                    > >  
                                    > > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We
                                    > > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
                                    > > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the
                                    > > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained
                                    > > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato,
                                    > > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > ________________________________
                                    > > From: "Oldiani@" <Oldiani@>
                                    > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
                                    > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                    > >
                                    > >  
                                    > > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
                                    > > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
                                    > > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
                                    > > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
                                    > > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
                                    > > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
                                    > > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
                                    > > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
                                    > > The food of course is wonderful!!
                                    > > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
                                    > > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
                                    > > city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
                                    > > That could be an option for you.
                                    > >
                                    > > Louise Julani
                                    > >
                                    > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
                                    > > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
                                    > > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                    > >
                                    > > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
                                    > > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,
                                    > >
                                    > > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
                                    > > bad/
                                    > >
                                    > > chris scarlato Urfer
                                    > >
                                    >






                                  • Erminia Angilletta
                                    Yes, totally rough week. Last night s storm was quite the show, It was almost impossible to sleep for a while with all the thunder and lighting. Thankfully
                                    Message 17 of 20 , Aug 24, 2011
                                      Yes, totally rough week.  Last night's storm was quite the show,  It was almost impossible to sleep for a while with all the thunder and lighting.  Thankfully no tornado hit here although they think it hit some other places in Southern Ontario.

                                      But with the humidex we're supposed to have temperatures of about 36C the rest of the week..
                                      Nuccia
                                      http://www.gentedimaregenealogy.com
                                      http://www.calabriaexchange.com
                                      "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one"



                                      On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:51 AM, charlene misurelli <ccmisure@...> wrote:
                                       

                                      Hello Everyone!
                                      Nice to see action on the website again!!

                                      Dan:
                                      Was HAPPY to see that you are going to Rende next year. I am planning a trip too, but could not find a tour group that goes there, so I was just thrilled to see your message.

                                      I live in Calgary Alberta and my grandfather came from Rende and I always wanted to go there. He was on his way to Kenosha to live with family there but got stuck here.

                                      Anyway, when do you plan to go? I can go anytime, just not July or August as anything above 25c is killer heat for us. (Are you flying out of Toronto?) 
                                      Would really appreciate details on the best way to get there and where to stay, would like to spend a month checking the "tree".  NO, I won't be driving on account of other members, like Bill Spizzeri who said driving is a "nightmare" and I don't think God is even in the car with you over there. (My cuz claims he gets out and walks).

                                      Anybody else planning to go? We can make this a group trip??

                                      PS sounds like the East is having a very bad week. Jack Layton, tornado, earthquake and now a hurricane on the way...

                                      Charlene Misurelli

                                      --- On Thu, 8/25/11, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:

                                      From: Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...>

                                      Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                      Received: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 12:21 AM


                                       

                                      Hi Nuccia,
                                       
                                      Not sure which conference you are referring to but the temple/resource center is indeed the one I'm referring to. I live in the Town of Caledon which borders Brampton. John Sprovieri is a Regional Councillor in Brampton serving Wards 9 and 10. Brampton has a population of about 500,000 whereas Caledon covers a much larger area but has a population of about 60,000. Italians constitute the largest ethnic group in the Greater Toronto area.
                                       
                                      Are you Canadian or from the USA?
                                       
                                      Dan
                                      From: Erminia Angilletta <nuccia.salvati@...>
                                      To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:37:31 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                                       
                                      Dan are you talking about the LDS temple in Brampton where the conference was held last year 20 August? 

                                      http://lds.org/church/temples/toronto-ontario?lang=eng

                                      I had done the research for Councillor John Sprovieri.  Will anyone be at this years conference? 

                                      Lisa I envy you going. I haven't been to the comuni in Coseza (Malito, San Fili, Rendi, Marano or Grimaldi) since 1972 - although I have been to Reggio and Catanzaro a few times since. 
                                      Nuccia
                                      http://www.gentedimaregenealogy.com
                                      http://www.calabriaexchange.com
                                      Researching: Napolitano, Macchione, Volpentesta, Scarlato, Spina, Cardamone



                                      On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                                       
                                      Thanks Lisa,
                                       
                                      We actually have a resource center in the neighboring city of Brampton, Ontario - not more than a half-hour drive!  I'll give it a try and I appreciate the list of microfilms. I'm sure it will make it much easier to locate the specific records that I'm seeking.  Again, bon voyage!
                                       
                                      Dan

                                      From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                                      To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:19:08 PM

                                      Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                                       

                                      Hi Dan,
                                      I will try to get a name of someone in their comune office. But just wondering if you have tried searching the civil records for Castrolibero at a local family history center. I just looked up the availability of Castrolibero records, and it looks like the microfilms certainly cover the late 1800's. You will find that researching this microfilms is way more rewarding than writing for info. I have copied the list of Castrolibero microfilms avaialable through the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints below:

                                      Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1809-1819 FHL INTL Film 1448041 Items 3-5

                                      Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1819-1838 FHL INTL Film 1448042

                                      Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1838-1855 FHL INTL Film 1448043

                                      Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1856-1865 FHL INTL Film 1303929 Items 1 - 4

                                      Nati 1866-1900 FHL INTL Film 1607610 Item 3

                                      Pubblicazioni 1866-1900 -- Matrimoni 1866-1900 -- Morti 1866-1878 FHL INTL Film 1640786 Items 4 - 5

                                      Morti 1879-1900 FHL INTL Film 1640787 Item 1

                                      Nati, matrimoni, morti 1871 FHL INTL Film 1641505 Item 4

                                      Nati, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1900-1910 FHL INTL Film 1641508 Item 1

                                      More information on these microfilms as well as locating a family history center near to your home can be found at: www.familysearch.org.

                                      Lisa
                                      --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Hi Lisa,
                                      >  
                                      > Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as you travel out of the village to the northwest and as you travel southward the road is known as Via Papa Giovanni XXIII (You can see this road on the map sent to you by Bill). It  is my hunch that this part of the road was once Via Curcio and was renamed in recent times to honour Pope John after his death. 
                                      >  
                                      > I have a small favor to ask of you when you visit Castrolibro (some older folks still refer to it by its former name - Castrofranco). My paternal grandmother (Giuseppina Aiello)  was born there in the mid 1870s and I have been unsuccessful in tracking down any records of her family and those relatives known as Pincente. Are there any contacts or resources available in Castrolibero that may assist me (and others) in searching out relatives that were born there in the late 1800s (1870 - 1910). Much appreciated if you can find this out.
                                      >  
                                      > Enjoy your visit and please let us know of your experiences. It is my intention to visit the area in 2012 for an extended period as I still have a few close relatives there (San Fili, Rende) and I certainly will be taking many pictures and sharing my experiences with others.
                                      >  
                                      > Safe travels to you,
                                      >  
                                      > Dan
                                      >  
                                      >
                                      > From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                                      > To: maranofamilies@...
                                      > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:02:39 PM
                                      > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                      >
                                      >  
                                      > Bill,
                                      > I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there.
                                      >
                                      > I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio?
                                      >
                                      > Lisa
                                      >
                                      > --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
                                      > >
                                      > > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive
                                      > > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving
                                      > > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver
                                      > > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my
                                      > > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in
                                      > > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic
                                      > > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane
                                      > > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for
                                      > > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure.
                                      > > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and
                                      > > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye
                                      > > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by
                                      > > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can
                                      > > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good
                                      > > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive
                                      > > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with
                                      > > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one
                                      > > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > If you drive yourself -  go with God.
                                      > >
                                      > > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It
                                      > > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I
                                      > > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town.
                                      > > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I
                                      > > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows
                                      > > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > ________________________________
                                      > > From: "urfch@" <urfch@>
                                      > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
                                      > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                      > >
                                      > >  
                                      > > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. 
                                      > > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into
                                      > > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather
                                      > > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
                                      > > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying
                                      > > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
                                      > > How did you locate the Cemeteries?
                                      > > Thanks for your reply
                                      > > Chris Scarlato Urfer
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > ________________________________
                                      > > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                                      > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@>
                                      > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
                                      > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                      > >
                                      > >  
                                      > > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We
                                      > > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
                                      > > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the
                                      > > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained
                                      > > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato,
                                      > > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > ________________________________
                                      > > From: "Oldiani@" <Oldiani@>
                                      > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
                                      > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                      > >
                                      > >  
                                      > > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
                                      > > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
                                      > > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
                                      > > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
                                      > > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
                                      > > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
                                      > > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
                                      > > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
                                      > > The food of course is wonderful!!
                                      > > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
                                      > > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
                                      > > city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
                                      > > That could be an option for you.
                                      > >
                                      > > Louise Julani
                                      > >
                                      > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
                                      > > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
                                      > > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                      > >
                                      > > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
                                      > > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,
                                      > >
                                      > > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
                                      > > bad/
                                      > >
                                      > > chris scarlato Urfer
                                      > >
                                      >







                                    • William Spizzirri
                                      I was able to find the house where my dad was born and where my cousin lives. Let me know if you have any questions about it. Drive safely. From: LisaAnn
                                      Message 18 of 20 , Aug 25, 2011
                                        I was able to find the house where my dad was born and where my cousin lives. Let me know if you have any questions about it. Drive safely.

                                        From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                                        To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:02 PM
                                        Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza

                                         
                                        Bill,
                                        I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there.

                                        I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio?

                                        Lisa

                                        --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola. 
                                        >
                                        > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive
                                        > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving
                                        > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver
                                        > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my
                                        > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in
                                        > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic
                                        > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane
                                        > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for
                                        > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure.
                                        > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and
                                        > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye
                                        > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by
                                        > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can
                                        > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good
                                        > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive
                                        > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with
                                        > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one
                                        > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > If you drive yourself -  go with God.
                                        >
                                        > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It
                                        > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I
                                        > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town.
                                        > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I
                                        > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows
                                        > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ________________________________
                                        > From: "urfch@..." <urfch@...>
                                        > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM
                                        > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                        >
                                        >  
                                        > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano. 
                                        > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into
                                        > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather
                                        > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am.
                                        > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying
                                        > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving.
                                        > How did you locate the Cemeteries?
                                        > Thanks for your reply
                                        > Chris Scarlato Urfer
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ________________________________
                                        > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
                                        > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@...>
                                        > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM
                                        > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                        >
                                        >  
                                        > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We
                                        > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in
                                        > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the
                                        > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained
                                        > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato,
                                        > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.  
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ________________________________
                                        > From: "Oldiani@..." <Oldiani@...>
                                        > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM
                                        > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                        >
                                        >  
                                        > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is
                                        > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we
                                        > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect
                                        > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English
                                        > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a
                                        > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of
                                        > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not
                                        > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine.
                                        > The food of course is wonderful!!
                                        > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of
                                        > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger
                                        > city who not only found the little village but served as translator.
                                        > That could be an option for you.
                                        >
                                        > Louise Julani
                                        >
                                        > -----Original Message-----
                                        > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com>
                                        > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                                        > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am
                                        > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza
                                        >
                                        > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san
                                        > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather,
                                        >
                                        > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or
                                        > bad/
                                        >
                                        > chris scarlato Urfer
                                        >



                                      • Dan Plastina
                                        Nuccia,   We had plenty of lightning but relatively little rain in our area. This storm was small stuff compared to the very large Hurricane Irene that is
                                        Message 19 of 20 , Aug 25, 2011
                                          Nuccia,
                                           
                                          We had plenty of lightning but relatively little rain in our area. This storm was small stuff compared to the very large Hurricane Irene that is currently creating havoc in the Bahamas.
                                           
                                          Charlene,
                                           
                                          Speaking of lightning - it does have a tendency to strike when and where you least expect it.
                                           
                                          Michele Misurelli (~1750) is my 4th great grandfather. He and his wife, Arcangela Micieli (Miceli), had at least 4 children - Cecilia (~1774), Michele (~1776), Antonio (~1781) and Teresa (~1789).  My direct lineage is through Teresa Misurelli in the following manner:
                                           
                                          father - Saverio Misurelli (wife Arcangela Micieli)
                                          daughter - Teresa Misurelli (husband Rosario Morrone)
                                          son - Antonio Morrone (wife Rosaria Dattilo)
                                          daughter - Elena Morrone (husband Giuseppe Plastina)
                                          son - Michele Plastina (Giuseppina Aiello)
                                          son - Antonio Plastina (wife Ida Cesario)
                                          son - me
                                           
                                          Obviously, there are other Misurelli conections in my tree and it will be very interesting to know how you and your family fit in. I, too, had many relatives that immigrated to the USA in the late 1800s and early 1900s (particularly Chicago and Kenosha) and I'm just beginning to track them down. I have started several websites concerning my ancestors. The following link offers a view of parenti who lived in Rende and San Fili during the time frame of about 1720 to 1870.
                                           
                                           
                                          I'm excited to know where we may be connected.
                                           
                                          Dan
                                          From: Erminia Angilletta <nuccia.salvati@...>
                                          To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:29:49 AM
                                          Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                           
                                          Yes, totally rough week.  Last night's storm was quite the show,  It was almost impossible to sleep for a while with all the thunder and lighting.  Thankfully no tornado hit here although they think it hit some other places in Southern Ontario.

                                          But with the humidex we're supposed to have temperatures of about 36C the rest of the week..
                                          Nuccia
                                          http://www.gentedimaregenealogy.com
                                          http://www.calabriaexchange.com
                                          "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one"



                                          On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:51 AM, charlene misurelli <ccmisure@...> wrote:
                                           
                                          Hello Everyone!
                                          Nice to see action on the website again!!

                                          Dan:
                                          Was HAPPY to see that you are going to Rende next year. I am planning a trip too, but could not find a tour group that goes there, so I was just thrilled to see your message.

                                          I live in Calgary Alberta and my grandfather came from Rende and I always wanted to go there. He was on his way to Kenosha to live with family there but got stuck here.

                                          Anyway, when do you plan to go? I can go anytime, just not July or August as anything above 25c is killer heat for us. (Are you flying out of Toronto?) 
                                          Would really appreciate details on the best way to get there and where to stay, would like to spend a month checking the "tree".  NO, I won't be driving on account of other members, like Bill Spizzeri who said driving is a "nightmare" and I don't think God is even in the car with you over there. (My cuz claims he gets out and walks).

                                          Anybody else planning to go? We can make this a group trip??

                                          PS sounds like the East is having a very bad week. Jack Layton, tornado, earthquake and now a hurricane on the way...

                                          Charlene Misurelli
                                          --- On Thu, 8/25/11, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:

                                          From: Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...>
                                          Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                          Received: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 12:21 AM
                                           
                                          Hi Nuccia,
                                           
                                          Not sure which conference you are referring to but the temple/resource center is indeed the one I'm referring to. I live in the Town of Caledon which borders Brampton. John Sprovieri is a Regional Councillor in Brampton serving Wards 9 and 10. Brampton has a population of about 500,000 whereas Caledon covers a much larger area but has a population of about 60,000. Italians constitute the largest ethnic group in the Greater Toronto area.
                                           
                                          Are you Canadian or from the USA?
                                           
                                          Dan
                                          From: Erminia Angilletta <nuccia.salvati@...>
                                          To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:37:31 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                           
                                          Dan are you talking about the LDS temple in Brampton where the conference was held last year 20 August?  http://lds.org/church/temples/toronto-ontario?lang=eng I had done the research for Councillor John Sprovieri.  Will anyone be at this years conference?  Lisa I envy you going. I haven't been to the comuni in Coseza (Malito, San Fili, Rendi, Marano or Grimaldi) since 1972 - although I have been to Reggio and Catanzaro a few times since.  Nucciahttp://www.gentedimaregenealogy.comhttp://www.calabriaexchange.com Researching: Napolitano, Macchione, Volpentesta, Scarlato, Spina, Cardamone
                                          On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                                           
                                          Thanks Lisa,
                                           
                                          We actually have a resource center in the neighboring city of Brampton, Ontario - not more than a half-hour drive!  I'll give it a try and I appreciate the list of microfilms. I'm sure it will make it much easier to locate the specific records that I'm seeking.  Again, bon voyage!
                                           
                                          Dan
                                          From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                                          To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:19:08 PM
                                          Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                           
                                          Hi Dan, I will try to get a name of someone in their comune office. But just wondering if you have tried searching the civil records for Castrolibero at a local family history center. I just looked up the availability of Castrolibero records, and it looks like the microfilms certainly cover the late 1800's. You will find that researching this microfilms is way more rewarding than writing for info. I have copied the list of Castrolibero microfilms avaialable through the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints below: Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1809-1819 FHL INTL Film 1448041 Items 3-5 Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1819-1838 FHL INTL Film 1448042 Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1838-1855 FHL INTL Film 1448043 Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1856-1865 FHL INTL Film 1303929 Items 1 - 4 Nati 1866-1900 FHL INTL Film 1607610 Item 3 Pubblicazioni 1866-1900 -- Matrimoni 1866-1900 -- Morti 1866-1878 FHL INTL Film 1640786 Items 4 - 5 Morti 1879-1900 FHL INTL Film 1640787 Item 1 Nati, matrimoni, morti 1871 FHL INTL Film 1641505 Item 4 Nati, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1900-1910 FHL INTL Film 1641508 Item 1 More information on these microfilms as well as locating a family history center near to your home can be found at: www.familysearch.org. Lisa --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote: > > Hi Lisa, >   > Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as you travel out of the village to the northwest and as you travel southward the road is known as Via Papa Giovanni XXIII (You can see this road on the map sent to you by Bill). It  is my hunch that this part of the road was once Via Curcio and was renamed in recent times to honour Pope John after his death.  >   > I have a small favor to ask of you when you visit Castrolibro (some older folks still refer to it by its former name - Castrofranco). My paternal grandmother (Giuseppina Aiello)  was born there in the mid 1870s and I have been unsuccessful in tracking down any records of her family and those relatives known as Pincente. Are there any contacts or resources available in Castrolibero that may assist me (and others) in searching out relatives that were born there in the late 1800s (1870 - 1910). Much appreciated if you can find this out. >   > Enjoy your visit and please let us know of your experiences. It is my intention to visit the area in 2012 for an extended period as I still have a few close relatives there (San Fili, Rende) and I certainly will be taking many pictures and sharing my experiences with others. >   > Safe travels to you, >   > Dan >   > > From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...> > To: maranofamilies@... > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:02:39 PM > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza > >   > Bill, > I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there. > > I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio? > > Lisa > > --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@> wrote: > > > > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola.  > > > > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive > > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving > > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver > > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my > > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in > > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic > > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane > > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for > > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure. > > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and > > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye > > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by > > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can > > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good > > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome. > > > > > > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive > > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with > > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one > > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value. > > > > > > If you drive yourself -  go with God. > > > > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It > > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I > > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town. > > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I > > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows > > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you. > > > > > >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "urfch@" <urfch@> > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza > > > >   > > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano.  > > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into > > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather > > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am. > > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying > > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving. > > How did you locate the Cemeteries? > > Thanks for your reply > > Chris Scarlato Urfer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@> > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com > > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@> > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza > > > >   > > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We > > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in > > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the > > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained > > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato, > > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.   > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "Oldiani@" <Oldiani@> > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza > > > >   > > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is > > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we > > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect > > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English > > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a > > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of > > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not > > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine. > > The food of course is wonderful!! > > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of > > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger > > city who not only found the little village but served as translator. > > That could be an option for you. > > > > Louise Julani > > > > -----Original Message----- > > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com> > > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am > > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza > > > > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san > > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather, > > > > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or > > bad/ > > > > chris scarlato Urfer > > >
                                        • charlene misurelli
                                          Oh my good goodness!! Well, yes, lightning stikes when you least expect it, but I did not expect to be struck twice!!! You are the second person in the last
                                          Message 20 of 20 , Aug 26, 2011
                                            Oh my good goodness!!
                                            Well, yes, lightning stikes when you least expect it, but I did not expect to be struck twice!!! You are the second person in the last year to have a Misurelli name.
                                            I was contacted last year by a Vic Misurelli from Kenosha. I told him we are 100% related as my grandfather had it on his passport that was his destination. We checked and found that his father and 2 uncles that lived there, turned out to be my grandfathers' brothers.
                                            He said he was going there to live with relatives, but did not say they were actually his siblings. So, that was a teriffic piece of news!!  If you can get there, the library apparently has a history book that the family is in. There are several Misurelli's in Kenosha and I am told they are all related except for one family that they were not able to link (so far).
                                             
                                            I will email you this weekend with info. I suspect that there is a link somewhere as Misurelli is such an uncommon name and there are so few of us around the world. My grandfather Carmine came from Rende and as far as I know, we are the only ones in Canada.
                                             
                                            PS You made my day!!!
                                            Char.
                                             
                                            Hoping weather from the tornado and hurricane not any worse...
                                            Nice and cool here 24c. Ahhhh.


                                            --- On Thu, 8/25/11, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:

                                            From: Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...>
                                            Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                            To: "maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com" <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Received: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 3:46 PM

                                             
                                            Nuccia,
                                             
                                            We had plenty of lightning but relatively little rain in our area. This storm was small stuff compared to the very large Hurricane Irene that is currently creating havoc in the Bahamas.
                                             
                                            Charlene,
                                             
                                            Speaking of lightning - it does have a tendency to strike when and where you least expect it.
                                             
                                            Michele Misurelli (~1750) is my 4th great grandfather. He and his wife, Arcangela Micieli (Miceli), had at least 4 children - Cecilia (~1774), Michele (~1776), Antonio (~1781) and Teresa (~1789).  My direct lineage is through Teresa Misurelli in the following manner:
                                             
                                            father - Saverio Misurelli (wife Arcangela Micieli)
                                            daughter - Teresa Misurelli (husband Rosario Morrone)
                                            son - Antonio Morrone (wife Rosaria Dattilo)
                                            daughter - Elena Morrone (husband Giuseppe Plastina)
                                            son - Michele Plastina (Giuseppina Aiello)
                                            son - Antonio Plastina (wife Ida Cesario)
                                            son - me
                                             
                                            Obviously, there are other Misurelli conections in my tree and it will be very interesting to know how you and your family fit in. I, too, had many relatives that immigrated to the USA in the late 1800s and early 1900s (particularly Chicago and Kenosha) and I'm just beginning to track them down. I have started several websites concerning my ancestors. The following link offers a view of parenti who lived in Rende and San Fili during the time frame of about 1720 to 1870.
                                             
                                             
                                            I'm excited to know where we may be connected.
                                             
                                            Dan
                                            From: Erminia Angilletta <nuccia.salvati@...>
                                            To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:29:49 AM
                                            Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                             
                                            Yes, totally rough week.  Last night's storm was quite the show,  It was almost impossible to sleep for a while with all the thunder and lighting.  Thankfully no tornado hit here although they think it hit some other places in Southern Ontario.

                                            But with the humidex we're supposed to have temperatures of about 36C the rest of the week..
                                            Nuccia
                                            http://www.gentedimaregenealogy.com
                                            http://www.calabriaexchange.com
                                            "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one"



                                            On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:51 AM, charlene misurelli <ccmisure@...> wrote:
                                             
                                            Hello Everyone!
                                            Nice to see action on the website again!!

                                            Dan:
                                            Was HAPPY to see that you are going to Rende next year. I am planning a trip too, but could not find a tour group that goes there, so I was just thrilled to see your message.

                                            I live in Calgary Alberta and my grandfather came from Rende and I always wanted to go there. He was on his way to Kenosha to live with family there but got stuck here.

                                            Anyway, when do you plan to go? I can go anytime, just not July or August as anything above 25c is killer heat for us. (Are you flying out of Toronto?) 
                                            Would really appreciate details on the best way to get there and where to stay, would like to spend a month checking the "tree".  NO, I won't be driving on account of other members, like Bill Spizzeri who said driving is a "nightmare" and I don't think God is even in the car with you over there. (My cuz claims he gets out and walks).

                                            Anybody else planning to go? We can make this a group trip??

                                            PS sounds like the East is having a very bad week. Jack Layton, tornado, earthquake and now a hurricane on the way...

                                            Charlene Misurelli
                                            --- On Thu, 8/25/11, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:

                                            From: Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...>
                                            Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                            Received: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 12:21 AM
                                             
                                            Hi Nuccia,
                                             
                                            Not sure which conference you are referring to but the temple/resource center is indeed the one I'm referring to. I live in the Town of Caledon which borders Brampton. John Sprovieri is a Regional Councillor in Brampton serving Wards 9 and 10. Brampton has a population of about 500,000 whereas Caledon covers a much larger area but has a population of about 60,000. Italians constitute the largest ethnic group in the Greater Toronto area.
                                             
                                            Are you Canadian or from the USA?
                                             
                                            Dan
                                            From: Erminia Angilletta <nuccia.salvati@...>
                                            To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:37:31 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                             
                                            Dan are you talking about the LDS temple in Brampton where the conference was held last year 20 August?  http://lds.org/church/temples/toronto-ontario?lang=eng I had done the research for Councillor John Sprovieri.  Will anyone be at this years conference?  Lisa I envy you going. I haven't been to the comuni in Coseza (Malito, San Fili, Rendi, Marano or Grimaldi) since 1972 - although I have been to Reggio and Catanzaro a few times since.  Nucciahttp://www.gentedimaregenealogy.comhttp://www.calabriaexchange.com Researching: Napolitano, Macchione, Volpentesta, Scarlato, Spina, Cardamone
                                            On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote:
                                             
                                            Thanks Lisa,
                                             
                                            We actually have a resource center in the neighboring city of Brampton, Ontario - not more than a half-hour drive!  I'll give it a try and I appreciate the list of microfilms. I'm sure it will make it much easier to locate the specific records that I'm seeking.  Again, bon voyage!
                                             
                                            Dan
                                            From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...>
                                            To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:19:08 PM
                                            Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza
                                             
                                            Hi Dan, I will try to get a name of someone in their comune office. But just wondering if you have tried searching the civil records for Castrolibero at a local family history center. I just looked up the availability of Castrolibero records, and it looks like the microfilms certainly cover the late 1800's. You will find that researching this microfilms is way more rewarding than writing for info. I have copied the list of Castrolibero microfilms avaialable through the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints below: Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1809-1819 FHL INTL Film 1448041 Items 3-5 Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1819-1838 FHL INTL Film 1448042 Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1838-1855 FHL INTL Film 1448043 Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1856-1865 FHL INTL Film 1303929 Items 1 - 4 Nati 1866-1900 FHL INTL Film 1607610 Item 3 Pubblicazioni 1866-1900 -- Matrimoni 1866-1900 -- Morti 1866-1878 FHL INTL Film 1640786 Items 4 - 5 Morti 1879-1900 FHL INTL Film 1640787 Item 1 Nati, matrimoni, morti 1871 FHL INTL Film 1641505 Item 4 Nati, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1900-1910 FHL INTL Film 1641508 Item 1 More information on these microfilms as well as locating a family history center near to your home can be found at: www.familysearch.org. Lisa --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, Dan Plastina <dan.plastina@...> wrote: > > Hi Lisa, >   > Via Curcio is a small stretch of road on the west side of Marano (between Via Giuseppe Garibaldi and Via Municipio). It is known as Via Guanni as you travel out of the village to the northwest and as you travel southward the road is known as Via Papa Giovanni XXIII (You can see this road on the map sent to you by Bill). It  is my hunch that this part of the road was once Via Curcio and was renamed in recent times to honour Pope John after his death.  >   > I have a small favor to ask of you when you visit Castrolibro (some older folks still refer to it by its former name - Castrofranco). My paternal grandmother (Giuseppina Aiello)  was born there in the mid 1870s and I have been unsuccessful in tracking down any records of her family and those relatives known as Pincente. Are there any contacts or resources available in Castrolibero that may assist me (and others) in searching out relatives that were born there in the late 1800s (1870 - 1910). Much appreciated if you can find this out. >   > Enjoy your visit and please let us know of your experiences. It is my intention to visit the area in 2012 for an extended period as I still have a few close relatives there (San Fili, Rende) and I certainly will be taking many pictures and sharing my experiences with others. >   > Safe travels to you, >   > Dan >   > > From: LisaAnn <LPRoots@...> > To: maranofamilies@... > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:02:39 PM > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: Trip to Cosenza > >   > Bill, > I just now checked out your link below to the panoramic view of Marano Marchesato. I had NO IDEA that it is an interactive movable map of the streets of Marano Marchesato. This is absolutely amazing. I was able to follow the streets and look at everything panoramically as if I was actually there. > > I am trying to find the house where my grandma was born. All the records say she was born on Via Curcio. I am thinking that the name was changed. Does anyone know what current street was via curcio? > > Lisa > > --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, William Spizzirri <wspizzi@> wrote: > > > > We trained from Rome to Cosenza, going through Naples and Paola.  > > > > Everyone is different but I must recommend, based on my recent experience, drive > > as little as possible in Italy. Only when you must. And be VERY careful driving > > in Naples. Give it serious thought. I consider myself a good, experienced driver > > but it's not for the faint hearted. After driving one day I gave up and let my > > family in Calabria drive me around that area, which is what they suggested in > > the first place. They were right. Based on what I saw, stop signs and traffic > > lights are considered quaint decorations. They don't even waste money on lane > > markers. One way streets are only a suggestion and the sidewalks are for > > pedestrians and cars. Honest. Even crossing the street on foot is an adventure. > > Don't make eye contact with the drivers because then they know you see them and > > so they can assume you know you should get out of the way. If you don't make eye > > contact, they feel you are an uninformed tourist and so they give you a break by > > not killing you. Do you feel lucky today? There are always taxis and you can > > hire private, scheduled cars although that is more expensive. We had good > > experience with private cars from Rome Cabs in Rome. > > > > > > There is also the problem of finding where you are going when you drive > > yourself. In the small mountain towns and big cities, we found many streets with > > no signs, maps that didn't have all the street names and forget GPS. We had one > > and it had the streets but it didn't show any street names, very limited value. > > > > > > If you drive yourself -  go with God. > > > > My family took me to the cemetery and I have no hope of knowing where I was. It > > was a very big cemetery in Marano Marchesato. I don't know this for sure but I > > would be surprised if there was more then one of that size in such a small town. > > I would think the city hall could certainly tell you how to get there. Sorry I > > can't tell you how to find that either. There is a nifty web site that allows > > you to take a driving tour of Marano Marchesato. Perhaps that could help you. > > > > > >  http://www.streetviewandmaps.com/en/map/it/345801-Marano-Marchesato/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "urfch@" <urfch@> > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 4:08:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza > > > >   > > Thanks Bill our village is San Vincenzo la Costa and San Sisto close to Marano.  > > I have some Spizzirri's in my  tree from this area too.  They immagrated into > > Toronto Ca. where  my Great grandfather Scarlato went in1890.  My Grandfather > > was born in Toronto then left for Ohio in 1917 where I am. > > How did you get to cosenza?  We were thinking of a trip to Amalfi first flying > > into naples then driving to cosenza but I was a little leary of the driving. > > How did you locate the Cemeteries? > > Thanks for your reply > > Chris Scarlato Urfer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: William Spizzirri <wspizzi@> > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com > > Cc: Bill Spizzirri <wspizzi@> > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:17:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza > > > >   > > We just got back from Cosenza and Marano Machesato. We had a wonderful time. We > > spent a lot of time with my family there. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in > > Cosenza which was very nice. We rented a car from National rent- a-car at the > > Cosenza train station. You must make a reservation ahead of time. We obtained > > good information about the family tree from the cemetery in Marano Marchesato, > > the church where my father was baptized and by going to the City Hall there.   > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "Oldiani@" <Oldiani@> > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:58:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza > > > >   > > We went a number of years ago and had a wonderful time. There is > > something magical to be walking in the village of our ancestors. Now we > > did have the advantage of having my parents along who speak dialect > > Italian. When we left the major cities there were not a lot of English > > speakers. Everyone though was very friendly. The little villages are a > > nightmare to drive in but we made it. We also had the advantage of > > cousins still living in Marano Marchesato who took us around. When not > > with relatives we booked room ahead on the Internet and it was fine. > > The food of course is wonderful!! > > Have a wonderful trip! Hope you get to meet some relatives. A friend of > > mine went with her cousins for a visit and hired a driver in the larger > > city who not only found the little village but served as translator. > > That could be an option for you. > > > > Louise Julani > > > > -----Original Message----- > > : urfch <urfch@yahof yearsoo.com> > > To: maranofamilies <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01 am > > Subject: [maranofamilies] Trip to Cosenza > > > > I was possibly planning a trip to Cosenza to visit the village of san > > Sisto and San vincenzo La costa the birth place of my Great grandfather, > > > > Has anyone taken a trip there if so what are your experiences good or > > bad/ > > > > chris scarlato Urfer > > >
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