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  • Andalite200
    Hi My name is Mark, I m a new member My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother s people. My great-grandparents from Marano
    Message 1 of 26 , Oct 9, 2008
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      Hi

      My name is Mark, I'm a new member
      My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother's people. My
      great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother's parents, were
      Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando De Bartolo
      and Theresa Volpentesta.

      And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano? His parents
      were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been artists!) and
      Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina's maiden name when I go home and look at the
      papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my parents live
      near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where my father's
      family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.

      I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to some of you!
      There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had French origins or
      French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn everything I could
      about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about Marano itself. While I
      recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly like the original
      recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost that recipe and now
      make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some cousins that
      have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here first.. and if anyone
      has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.

      My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had relatives who
      emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of the children was
      born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else about this?

      Thanks
      you guys are awesome
      sincerely
      Mark
      xoxoxo
      baci a tutti
    • Anthony Molinaro
      There are many VOLPENTESTAs on my wife s side of the family. Most of them lived in Chicago and in Kenosha. Do you know what year Theresa Volpentesta was
      Message 2 of 26 , Oct 9, 2008
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        There are many VOLPENTESTAs on my wife's side of the family. Most of them
        lived in Chicago and in Kenosha. Do you know what year Theresa Volpentesta
        was born? Or maybe when she died?


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@...>
        To: <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
        Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi


        > Hi
        >
        > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
        > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother's
        > people. My
        > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother's
        > parents, were
        > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando
        > De Bartolo
        > and Theresa Volpentesta.
        >
        > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano?
        > His parents
        > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been
        > artists!) and
        > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina's maiden name when I go home
        > and look at the
        > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my
        > parents live
        > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where
        > my father's
        > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
        >
        > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to
        > some of you!
        > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had
        > French origins or
        > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn
        > everything I could
        > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about
        > Marano itself. While I
        > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly
        > like the original
        > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost
        > that recipe and now
        > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some
        > cousins that
        > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here
        > first.. and if anyone
        > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
        >
        > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had
        > relatives who
        > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of
        > the children was
        > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else
        > about this?
        >
        > Thanks
        > you guys are awesome
        > sincerely
        > Mark
        > xoxoxo
        > baci a tutti
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
      • Anthony Molinaro
        F.Y.I. In the 1920 U.S. Census, I found a Amedo Greco (b.1890) and his wife Filomena (b. 1885). Their children at the time were Alfred, Edward, Ida, Florence,
        Message 3 of 26 , Oct 9, 2008
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          F.Y.I.
          In the 1920 U.S. Census, I found a Amedo Greco (b.1890) and his wife
          Filomena (b. 1885). Their children at the time were Alfred, Edward, Ida,
          Florence, and Virginia. They lived in Berwyn, near Chicago. Are these your
          relatives?

          Tony Molinaro


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@...>
          To: <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
          Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi


          > Hi
          >
          > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
          > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother's
          > people. My
          > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother's
          > parents, were
          > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando
          > De Bartolo
          > and Theresa Volpentesta.
          >
          > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano?
          > His parents
          > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been
          > artists!) and
          > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina's maiden name when I go home
          > and look at the
          > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my
          > parents live
          > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where
          > my father's
          > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
          >
          > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to
          > some of you!
          > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had
          > French origins or
          > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn
          > everything I could
          > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about
          > Marano itself. While I
          > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly
          > like the original
          > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost
          > that recipe and now
          > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some
          > cousins that
          > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here
          > first.. and if anyone
          > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
          >
          > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had
          > relatives who
          > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of
          > the children was
          > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else
          > about this?
          >
          > Thanks
          > you guys are awesome
          > sincerely
          > Mark
          > xoxoxo
          > baci a tutti
          >
          >
          > ------------------------------------
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
        • Andalite200
          well my grandma has all the papers and my grandma s at home in Chicago... I am here in cold Wisconsin which apparently also has Maranesi? Strange life.. I
          Message 4 of 26 , Oct 26, 2008
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            well my grandma has all the papers and my grandma's at home in Chicago... I am here in
            cold Wisconsin which apparently also has Maranesi? Strange life..
            I wouldn't know much about Theresa Volpentesta to be honest.. she's my great-great-
            grandma, my grandma's maternal grandmother.. the only way I know of her is from stories
            and oral traditions, as well as my great-grandma's death certificate where Theresa is listed
            as her mother..
            xox
            Mark


            --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony Molinaro" <tonydebmo@...> wrote:
            >
            > There are many VOLPENTESTAs on my wife's side of the family. Most of them
            > lived in Chicago and in Kenosha. Do you know what year Theresa Volpentesta
            > was born? Or maybe when she died?
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@...>
            > To: <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
            > Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
            >
            >
            > > Hi
            > >
            > > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
            > > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother's
            > > people. My
            > > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother's
            > > parents, were
            > > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando
            > > De Bartolo
            > > and Theresa Volpentesta.
            > >
            > > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano?
            > > His parents
            > > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been
            > > artists!) and
            > > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina's maiden name when I go home
            > > and look at the
            > > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my
            > > parents live
            > > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where
            > > my father's
            > > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
            > >
            > > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to
            > > some of you!
            > > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had
            > > French origins or
            > > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn
            > > everything I could
            > > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about
            > > Marano itself. While I
            > > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly
            > > like the original
            > > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost
            > > that recipe and now
            > > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some
            > > cousins that
            > > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here
            > > first.. and if anyone
            > > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
            > >
            > > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had
            > > relatives who
            > > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of
            > > the children was
            > > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else
            > > about this?
            > >
            > > Thanks
            > > you guys are awesome
            > > sincerely
            > > Mark
            > > xoxoxo
            > > baci a tutti
            > >
            > >
            > > ------------------------------------
            > >
            > > Yahoo! Groups Links
            > >
            > >
            > >
            >
          • Andalite200
            Hi Tony! Yes those are my family the reason I have not replied is because I was so shocked you found that Virginia is my grandmother- 90 years old and still
            Message 5 of 26 , Oct 26, 2008
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              Hi Tony! Yes those are my family
              the reason I have not replied is because I was so shocked you found that
              Virginia is my grandmother- 90 years old and still living
              the rest are my great-aunts and great-uncles, none of whom are living

              --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony Molinaro" <tonydebmo@...> wrote:
              >
              > F.Y.I.
              > In the 1920 U.S. Census, I found a Amedo Greco (b.1890) and his wife
              > Filomena (b. 1885). Their children at the time were Alfred, Edward, Ida,
              > Florence, and Virginia. They lived in Berwyn, near Chicago. Are these your
              > relatives?
              >
              > Tony Molinaro
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@...>
              > To: <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
              > Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
              >
              >
              > > Hi
              > >
              > > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
              > > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother's
              > > people. My
              > > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother's
              > > parents, were
              > > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando
              > > De Bartolo
              > > and Theresa Volpentesta.
              > >
              > > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano?
              > > His parents
              > > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been
              > > artists!) and
              > > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina's maiden name when I go home
              > > and look at the
              > > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my
              > > parents live
              > > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where
              > > my father's
              > > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
              > >
              > > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to
              > > some of you!
              > > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had
              > > French origins or
              > > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn
              > > everything I could
              > > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about
              > > Marano itself. While I
              > > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly
              > > like the original
              > > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost
              > > that recipe and now
              > > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some
              > > cousins that
              > > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here
              > > first.. and if anyone
              > > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
              > >
              > > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had
              > > relatives who
              > > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of
              > > the children was
              > > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else
              > > about this?
              > >
              > > Thanks
              > > you guys are awesome
              > > sincerely
              > > Mark
              > > xoxoxo
              > > baci a tutti
              > >
              > >
              > > ------------------------------------
              > >
              > > Yahoo! Groups Links
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
            • Andalite200
              I don t know much about her except that she was my great-grandma s mom and that she was a devout Catholic.. also that she never used basil in her cooking (My
              Message 6 of 26 , Oct 26, 2008
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                I don't know much about her except that she was my great-grandma's mom and that she
                was a devout Catholic.. also that she never used basil in her cooking (My grandma,
                besides being miffed about all the 'trendy Italian' chefs who are 'merigans, is also quite
                miffed by their use of basil.. she has said specifically, My Nonna Never Used This! in a tone
                of revulsion lol).

                --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony Molinaro" <tonydebmo@...> wrote:
                >
                > There are many VOLPENTESTAs on my wife's side of the family. Most of them
                > lived in Chicago and in Kenosha. Do you know what year Theresa Volpentesta
                > was born? Or maybe when she died?
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@...>
                > To: <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
                > Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                >
                >
                > > Hi
                > >
                > > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                > > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother's
                > > people. My
                > > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother's
                > > parents, were
                > > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando
                > > De Bartolo
                > > and Theresa Volpentesta.
                > >
                > > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano?
                > > His parents
                > > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been
                > > artists!) and
                > > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina's maiden name when I go home
                > > and look at the
                > > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my
                > > parents live
                > > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where
                > > my father's
                > > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
                > >
                > > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to
                > > some of you!
                > > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had
                > > French origins or
                > > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn
                > > everything I could
                > > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about
                > > Marano itself. While I
                > > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly
                > > like the original
                > > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost
                > > that recipe and now
                > > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some
                > > cousins that
                > > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here
                > > first.. and if anyone
                > > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
                > >
                > > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had
                > > relatives who
                > > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of
                > > the children was
                > > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else
                > > about this?
                > >
                > > Thanks
                > > you guys are awesome
                > > sincerely
                > > Mark
                > > xoxoxo
                > > baci a tutti
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------------------------------
                > >
                > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
              • Anthony Molinaro
                In 1920, the family lived at 2414 W. 62nd Court in Berwyn, IL. (That s 2400 south near Ridgeland Ave. I know this because I grew up in Berwyn.) Amedo
                Message 7 of 26 , Oct 26, 2008
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                  In 1920, the family lived at 2414 W. 62nd Court in Berwyn, IL. (That's 2400
                  south near Ridgeland Ave. I know this because I grew up in Berwyn.) Amedo
                  emigrated to the U.S. in 1905 and Filomena emigrated in 1906. All of their
                  children were born in Illinois. In 1920, Amedo worked as a tailor.

                  If I find any more info., I'll let you know.

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@...>
                  To: <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:41 AM
                  Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: ciao cugini! Hi


                  > Hi Tony! Yes those are my family
                  > the reason I have not replied is because I was so shocked you found that
                  > Virginia is my grandmother- 90 years old and still living
                  > the rest are my great-aunts and great-uncles, none of whom are living
                  >
                  > --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony Molinaro" <tonydebmo@...>
                  > wrote:
                  >>
                  >> F.Y.I.
                  >> In the 1920 U.S. Census, I found a Amedo Greco (b.1890) and his wife
                  >> Filomena (b. 1885). Their children at the time were Alfred, Edward, Ida,
                  >> Florence, and Virginia. They lived in Berwyn, near Chicago. Are these
                  >> your
                  >> relatives?
                  >>
                  >> Tony Molinaro
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >> From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@...>
                  >> To: <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                  >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
                  >> Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> > Hi
                  >> >
                  >> > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                  >> > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother's
                  >> > people. My
                  >> > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother's
                  >> > parents, were
                  >> > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were
                  >> > Ferdinando
                  >> > De Bartolo
                  >> > and Theresa Volpentesta.
                  >> >
                  >> > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano?
                  >> > His parents
                  >> > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been
                  >> > artists!) and
                  >> > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina's maiden name when I go home
                  >> > and look at the
                  >> > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both
                  >> > my
                  >> > parents live
                  >> > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin,
                  >> > where
                  >> > my father's
                  >> > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
                  >> >
                  >> > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related
                  >> > to
                  >> > some of you!
                  >> > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had
                  >> > French origins or
                  >> > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to
                  >> > learn
                  >> > everything I could
                  >> > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about
                  >> > Marano itself. While I
                  >> > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly
                  >> > like the original
                  >> > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost
                  >> > that recipe and now
                  >> > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some
                  >> > cousins that
                  >> > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here
                  >> > first.. and if anyone
                  >> > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
                  >> >
                  >> > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta -
                  >> > had
                  >> > relatives who
                  >> > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one
                  >> > of
                  >> > the children was
                  >> > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else
                  >> > about this?
                  >> >
                  >> > Thanks
                  >> > you guys are awesome
                  >> > sincerely
                  >> > Mark
                  >> > xoxoxo
                  >> > baci a tutti
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> > ------------------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >>
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ------------------------------------
                  >
                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >
                  >
                  >
                • Anthony Molinaro
                  I also found an Amedeo Greco arriving in the U.S. on Aug. 15, 1905 on the S.S. Prinzess Irene. He came from Rende, Italy and was going to live with relatives
                  Message 8 of 26 , Oct 26, 2008
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                    I also found an Amedeo Greco arriving in the U.S. on Aug. 15, 1905 on the
                    S.S. Prinzess Irene. He came from Rende, Italy and was going to live with
                    relatives in Chicago on Polk Street. I think this is him.


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@...>
                    To: <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:41 AM
                    Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: ciao cugini! Hi


                    > Hi Tony! Yes those are my family
                    > the reason I have not replied is because I was so shocked you found that
                    > Virginia is my grandmother- 90 years old and still living
                    > the rest are my great-aunts and great-uncles, none of whom are living
                    >
                    > --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony Molinaro" <tonydebmo@...>
                    > wrote:
                    >>
                    >> F.Y.I.
                    >> In the 1920 U.S. Census, I found a Amedo Greco (b.1890) and his wife
                    >> Filomena (b. 1885). Their children at the time were Alfred, Edward, Ida,
                    >> Florence, and Virginia. They lived in Berwyn, near Chicago. Are these
                    >> your
                    >> relatives?
                    >>
                    >> Tony Molinaro
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@...>
                    >> To: <maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com>
                    >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
                    >> Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> > Hi
                    >> >
                    >> > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                    >> > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother's
                    >> > people. My
                    >> > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother's
                    >> > parents, were
                    >> > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were
                    >> > Ferdinando
                    >> > De Bartolo
                    >> > and Theresa Volpentesta.
                    >> >
                    >> > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano?
                    >> > His parents
                    >> > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been
                    >> > artists!) and
                    >> > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina's maiden name when I go home
                    >> > and look at the
                    >> > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both
                    >> > my
                    >> > parents live
                    >> > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin,
                    >> > where
                    >> > my father's
                    >> > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
                    >> >
                    >> > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related
                    >> > to
                    >> > some of you!
                    >> > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had
                    >> > French origins or
                    >> > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to
                    >> > learn
                    >> > everything I could
                    >> > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about
                    >> > Marano itself. While I
                    >> > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly
                    >> > like the original
                    >> > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost
                    >> > that recipe and now
                    >> > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some
                    >> > cousins that
                    >> > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here
                    >> > first.. and if anyone
                    >> > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
                    >> >
                    >> > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta -
                    >> > had
                    >> > relatives who
                    >> > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one
                    >> > of
                    >> > the children was
                    >> > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else
                    >> > about this?
                    >> >
                    >> > Thanks
                    >> > you guys are awesome
                    >> > sincerely
                    >> > Mark
                    >> > xoxoxo
                    >> > baci a tutti
                    >> >
                    >> >
                    >> > ------------------------------------
                    >> >
                    >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    >> >
                    >> >
                    >> >
                    >>
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ------------------------------------
                    >
                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    >
                    >
                    >
                  • Helen Anderson
                    Hi,   I found a terrific website quite by accident . After exhausting my usual resources searching for my Volpentesta roots. I keyed in Volpentesta
                    Message 9 of 26 , Oct 27, 2008
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                      Hi,
                       
                      I found a terrific website quite by accident . After exhausting my usual resources searching for my Volpentesta roots. I keyed in Volpentesta genealogy. It's called Gente di Mare Italian Genealogy.
                       
                      I didn't find much on Volpentesta but there was plenty of information available.
                       
                      Helen

                      --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Andalite200 <andalite200@...> wrote:
                      From: Andalite200 <andalite200@...>
                      Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: ciao cugini! Hi
                      To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:39 AM

                      well my grandma has all the papers and my grandma's at home in Chicago... I am here in
                      cold Wisconsin which apparently also has Maranesi? Strange life..
                      I wouldn't know much about Theresa Volpentesta to be honest.. she's my great-great-
                      grandma, my grandma's maternal grandmother. . the only way I know of her is from stories
                      and oral traditions, as well as my great-grandma' s death certificate where Theresa is listed
                      as her mother..
                      xox
                      Mark

                      --- In maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com, "Anthony Molinaro" <tonydebmo@. ..> wrote:
                      >
                      > There are many VOLPENTESTAs on my wife's side of the family. Most of them
                      > lived in Chicago and in Kenosha. Do you know what year Theresa Volpentesta
                      > was born? Or maybe when she died?
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@ ...>
                      > To: <maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com>
                      > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
                      > Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                      >
                      >
                      > > Hi
                      > >
                      > > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                      > > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother' s
                      > > people. My
                      > > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother' s
                      > > parents, were
                      > > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando
                      > > De Bartolo
                      > > and Theresa Volpentesta.
                      > >
                      > > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano?
                      > > His parents
                      > > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been
                      > > artists!) and
                      > > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when I go home
                      > > and look at the
                      > > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my
                      > > parents live
                      > > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where
                      > > my father's
                      > > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
                      > >
                      > > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to
                      > > some of you!
                      > > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had
                      > > French origins or
                      > > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn
                      > > everything I could
                      > > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about
                      > > Marano itself. While I
                      > > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly
                      > > like the original
                      > > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost
                      > > that recipe and now
                      > > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some
                      > > cousins that
                      > > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here
                      > > first.. and if anyone
                      > > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
                      > >
                      > > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had
                      > > relatives who
                      > > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of
                      > > the children was
                      > > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else
                      > > about this?
                      > >
                      > > Thanks
                      > > you guys are awesome
                      > > sincerely
                      > > Mark
                      > > xoxoxo
                      > > baci a tutti
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                      > >
                      > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >


                    • Cathy
                      Nuccia the administrator and owner of Gente di Mare has Volpentesta roots (from Rende). Since my FHC has some Rende films I was able to capture all
                      Message 10 of 26 , Oct 27, 2008
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                        Nuccia the administrator and owner of Gente di Mare has Volpentesta
                        roots (from Rende). Since my FHC has some Rende films I was able to
                        capture all Volpentesta marriages in Rende from 1830-1835 for her. I
                        put them on a webpage for her, extracted basic information and linked
                        copies of the actual records. This was only meant for her eyes but
                        since there may be interest here, here is a link to the page:
                        http://www.cosenzaexchange.com/rende/volpentestamarriage.html
                        It's a little sloppy...sorry.
                        Cathy

                        --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, Helen Anderson <hja_42@...>
                        wrote:
                        >
                        > Hi,
                        >  
                        > I found a terrific website quite by accident . After exhausting my
                        usual resources searching for my Volpentesta roots. I keyed in
                        Volpentesta genealogy. It's called Gente di Mare Italian Genealogy.
                        >  
                        > I didn't find much on Volpentesta but there was plenty of
                        information available.
                        >  
                        > Helen
                        >
                        > --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Andalite200 <andalite200@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > From: Andalite200 <andalite200@...>
                        > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: ciao cugini! Hi
                        > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                        > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:39 AM
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > well my grandma has all the papers and my grandma's at home in
                        Chicago... I am here in
                        > cold Wisconsin which apparently also has Maranesi? Strange life..
                        > I wouldn't know much about Theresa Volpentesta to be honest.. she's
                        my great-great-
                        > grandma, my grandma's maternal grandmother. . the only way I know
                        of her is from stories
                        > and oral traditions, as well as my great-grandma' s death
                        certificate where Theresa is listed
                        > as her mother..
                        > xox
                        > Mark
                        >
                        > --- In maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com, "Anthony Molinaro"
                        <tonydebmo@ ..> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > There are many VOLPENTESTAs on my wife's side of the family. Most
                        of them
                        > > lived in Chicago and in Kenosha. Do you know what year Theresa
                        Volpentesta
                        > > was born? Or maybe when she died?
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@ ...>
                        > > To: <maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com>
                        > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
                        > > Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Hi
                        > > >
                        > > > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                        > > > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my
                        grandmother' s
                        > > > people. My
                        > > > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal
                        grandmother' s
                        > > > parents, were
                        > > > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were
                        Ferdinando
                        > > > De Bartolo
                        > > > and Theresa Volpentesta.
                        > > >
                        > > > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to
                        Marano?
                        > > > His parents
                        > > > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have
                        always been
                        > > > artists!) and
                        > > > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when
                        I go home
                        > > > and look at the
                        > > > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's
                        family.. both my
                        > > > parents live
                        > > > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in
                        Wisconsin, where
                        > > > my father's
                        > > > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
                        > > >
                        > > > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am
                        related to
                        > > > some of you!
                        > > > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende
                        ultimately had
                        > > > French origins or
                        > > > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site
                        to learn
                        > > > everything I could
                        > > > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as
                        about
                        > > > Marano itself. While I
                        > > > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd
                        particularly
                        > > > like the original
                        > > > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We
                        have lost
                        > > > that recipe and now
                        > > > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may
                        be some
                        > > > cousins that
                        > > > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come
                        here
                        > > > first.. and if anyone
                        > > > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
                        > > >
                        > > > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa
                        Volpentesta - had
                        > > > relatives who
                        > > > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy,
                        and one of
                        > > > the children was
                        > > > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know
                        anything else
                        > > > about this?
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks
                        > > > you guys are awesome
                        > > > sincerely
                        > > > Mark
                        > > > xoxoxo
                        > > > baci a tutti
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                        > > >
                        > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >
                      • rose pennington
                        Hello All -   Just had to comment about the basil - or lack thereof - in the sauce, sugo, gravy or whichever word for it each of your families use.  My
                        Message 11 of 26 , Oct 27, 2008
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                          Hello All -
                           
                          Just had to comment about the basil - or lack thereof - in the sauce, sugo, gravy or whichever word for it each of your families use.  My own gramma (a Totera married to a Presta) favored and flavored, with oregano, but only Greek oregano, dried; she was very picky about that.  Also, marjoram, rosemary, and a little mint were among her favorite spices.  She would use basil "a little" - calling it sweet bah-zeel, but it sure wasn't mandatory.  Her philosophy was "if you like it and you got it, you use it; you no like, don't use it."  
                           
                          As an aside, I remember my aunt, her own daughter, coming in to taste the sauce one time.  She took a taste, made a face, and said "Eeuoo, Ma, why'd you put basil in the sauce?"  'Course, everyone ate it.  The point is, the choice of seasonings can and will vary even within the same family unit.  Me, personally, I can do without the basil, though I do like the dried Greek oregano and marjoram and mint.  But I gotta confess, and I realize this may be construed as sacrilege, my own favorite way to eat macaroni or pasta, again, whichever word you like, is with just plain butter.  
                           
                          Rose
                           
                          --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Andalite200 <andalite200@...> wrote:
                          From: Andalite200 <andalite200@...>
                          Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: ciao cugini! Hi
                          To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:43 AM

                          I don't know much about her except that she was my great-grandma' s mom and that she
                          was a devout Catholic.. also that she never used basil in her cooking (My grandma,
                          besides being miffed about all the 'trendy Italian' chefs who are 'merigans, is also quite
                          miffed by their use of basil.. she has said specifically, My Nonna Never Used This! in a tone
                          of revulsion lol).

                          --- In maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com, "Anthony Molinaro" <tonydebmo@. ..> wrote:
                          >
                          > There are many VOLPENTESTAs on my wife's side of the family. Most of them
                          > lived in Chicago and in Kenosha. Do you know what year Theresa Volpentesta
                          > was born? Or maybe when she died?
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@ ...>
                          > To: <maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com>
                          > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
                          > Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                          >
                          >
                          > > Hi
                          > >
                          > > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                          > > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother' s
                          > > people. My
                          > > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother' s
                          > > parents, were
                          > > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando
                          > > De Bartolo
                          > > and Theresa Volpentesta.
                          > >
                          > > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano?
                          > > His parents
                          > > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been
                          > > artists!) and
                          > > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when I go home
                          > > and look at the
                          > > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my
                          > > parents live
                          > > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where
                          > > my father's
                          > > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
                          > >
                          > > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to
                          > > some of you!
                          > > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had
                          > > French origins or
                          > > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn
                          > > everything I could
                          > > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about
                          > > Marano itself. While I
                          > > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly
                          > > like the original
                          > > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost
                          > > that recipe and now
                          > > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some
                          > > cousins that
                          > > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here
                          > > first.. and if anyone
                          > > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
                          > >
                          > > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had
                          > > relatives who
                          > > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of
                          > > the children was
                          > > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else
                          > > about this?
                          > >
                          > > Thanks
                          > > you guys are awesome
                          > > sincerely
                          > > Mark
                          > > xoxoxo
                          > > baci a tutti
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                          > >
                          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >


                        • erminia_angilletta
                          Hi Helen! Thanks for the kind words about my website at Gente (http://www.gentedimareitaliangenealogy.com). It really has been a labor of love is the basis for
                          Message 12 of 26 , Nov 3, 2008
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                            Hi Helen!

                            Thanks for the kind words about my website at Gente
                            (http://www.gentedimareitaliangenealogy.com). It really has been a
                            labor of love is the basis for many of the other sites we now host. I
                            have been concentrating quite a bit on my father's side lately who
                            were from Reggio Calabria but I promise to try and get some records up
                            for my relatives in Cosenza. Cathy's Cosenza
                            Exchange(http://www.cosenzaexchange.com) and my Calabria Exchange
                            (http://www.calabriaexchange.com)were formatted after the Carini
                            Exchange (http://www.cariniexchange.com). We worked very closely with
                            James, the administrator of the original exchange to create a group,
                            if you will of sites that would host complete records for the comuni
                            mentioned.

                            Anyway, I have plans to possibly continue with Malito research as my
                            mother is from there. I already have quite a bit of information,
                            mainly from my Macchione relatives and am looking for information on
                            the Rovella families of Rende and of Costanza Volpentesta's family in
                            Marano.

                            Can anyone help at all?

                            --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, "Cathy" <montaltogirl@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Nuccia the administrator and owner of Gente di Mare has Volpentesta
                            > roots (from Rende). Since my FHC has some Rende films I was able to
                            > capture all Volpentesta marriages in Rende from 1830-1835 for her. I
                            > put them on a webpage for her, extracted basic information and linked
                            > copies of the actual records. This was only meant for her eyes but
                            > since there may be interest here, here is a link to the page:
                            > http://www.cosenzaexchange.com/rende/volpentestamarriage.html
                            > It's a little sloppy...sorry.
                            > Cathy
                            >
                            > --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, Helen Anderson <hja_42@>
                            > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Hi,
                            > > �
                            > > I found a terrific website quite by accident . After exhausting my
                            > usual resources searching for my Volpentesta roots. I keyed in
                            > Volpentesta genealogy.�It's called Gente di Mare Italian Genealogy.
                            > > �
                            > > I didn't find much on Volpentesta but there was plenty of
                            > information available.
                            > > �
                            > > Helen
                            > >
                            > > --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Andalite200 <andalite200@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > From: Andalite200 <andalite200@>
                            > > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: ciao cugini! Hi
                            > > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:39 AM
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > well my grandma has all the papers and my grandma's at home in
                            > Chicago... I am here in
                            > > cold Wisconsin which apparently also has Maranesi? Strange life..
                            > > I wouldn't know much about Theresa Volpentesta to be honest.. she's
                            > my great-great-
                            > > grandma, my grandma's maternal grandmother. . the only way I know
                            > of her is from stories
                            > > and oral traditions, as well as my great-grandma' s death
                            > certificate where Theresa is listed
                            > > as her mother..
                            > > xox
                            > > Mark
                            > >
                            > > --- In maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com, "Anthony Molinaro"
                            > <tonydebmo@ ..> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > There are many VOLPENTESTAs on my wife's side of the family. Most
                            > of them
                            > > > lived in Chicago and in Kenosha. Do you know what year Theresa
                            > Volpentesta
                            > > > was born? Or maybe when she died?
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@ ...>
                            > > > To: <maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com>
                            > > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
                            > > > Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > Hi
                            > > > >
                            > > > > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                            > > > > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my
                            > grandmother' s
                            > > > > people. My
                            > > > > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal
                            > grandmother' s
                            > > > > parents, were
                            > > > > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were
                            > Ferdinando
                            > > > > De Bartolo
                            > > > > and Theresa Volpentesta.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to
                            > Marano?
                            > > > > His parents
                            > > > > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have
                            > always been
                            > > > > artists!) and
                            > > > > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when
                            > I go home
                            > > > > and look at the
                            > > > > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's
                            > family.. both my
                            > > > > parents live
                            > > > > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in
                            > Wisconsin, where
                            > > > > my father's
                            > > > > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am
                            > related to
                            > > > > some of you!
                            > > > > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende
                            > ultimately had
                            > > > > French origins or
                            > > > > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site
                            > to learn
                            > > > > everything I could
                            > > > > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as
                            > about
                            > > > > Marano itself. While I
                            > > > > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd
                            > particularly
                            > > > > like the original
                            > > > > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We
                            > have lost
                            > > > > that recipe and now
                            > > > > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may
                            > be some
                            > > > > cousins that
                            > > > > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come
                            > here
                            > > > > first.. and if anyone
                            > > > > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa
                            > Volpentesta - had
                            > > > > relatives who
                            > > > > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy,
                            > and one of
                            > > > > the children was
                            > > > > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know
                            > anything else
                            > > > > about this?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Thanks
                            > > > > you guys are awesome
                            > > > > sincerely
                            > > > > Mark
                            > > > > xoxoxo
                            > > > > baci a tutti
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            >
                          • Helen Anderson
                            Thanks Ermina.   Where does your Volpentesta line come in? Mine are from Rende. ... From: erminia_angilletta Subject:
                            Message 13 of 26 , Nov 5, 2008
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                              Thanks Ermina.
                               
                              Where does your Volpentesta line come in? Mine are from Rende.

                              --- On Mon, 11/3/08, erminia_angilletta <nuccia.salvati@...> wrote:
                              From: erminia_angilletta <nuccia.salvati@...>
                              Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: ciao cugini! Hi
                              To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 3:28 PM

                              Hi Helen!

                              Thanks for the kind words about my website at Gente
                              (http://www.gentedim areitaliangeneal ogy.com). It really has been a
                              labor of love is the basis for many of the other sites we now host. I
                              have been concentrating quite a bit on my father's side lately who
                              were from Reggio Calabria but I promise to try and get some records up
                              for my relatives in Cosenza. Cathy's Cosenza
                              Exchange(http://www.cosenzae xchange.com) and my Calabria Exchange
                              (http://www.calabria exchange. com)were formatted after the Carini
                              Exchange (http://www.cariniex change.com). We worked very closely with
                              James, the administrator of the original exchange to create a group,
                              if you will of sites that would host complete records for the comuni
                              mentioned.

                              Anyway, I have plans to possibly continue with Malito research as my
                              mother is from there. I already have quite a bit of information,
                              mainly from my Macchione relatives and am looking for information on
                              the Rovella families of Rende and of Costanza Volpentesta' s family in
                              Marano.

                              Can anyone help at all?

                              --- In maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com, "Cathy" <montaltogirl@ ...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Nuccia the administrator and owner of Gente di Mare has Volpentesta
                              > roots (from Rende). Since my FHC has some Rende films I was able to
                              > capture all Volpentesta marriages in Rende from 1830-1835 for her. I
                              > put them on a webpage for her, extracted basic information and linked
                              > copies of the actual records. This was only meant for her eyes but
                              > since there may be interest here, here is a link to the page:
                              > http://www.cosenzae xchange.com/ rende/volpentest amarriage. html
                              > It's a little sloppy...sorry.
                              > Cathy
                              >
                              > --- In maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com, Helen Anderson <hja_42@>
                              > wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Hi,
                              > > �
                              > > I found a terrific website quite by accident . After exhausting my
                              > usual resources searching for my Volpentesta roots. I keyed in
                              > Volpentesta genealogy.�It's called Gente di Mare Italian Genealogy.
                              > > �
                              > > I didn't find much on Volpentesta but there was plenty of
                              > information available.
                              > > �
                              > > Helen
                              > >
                              > > --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Andalite200 <andalite200@ > wrote:
                              > >
                              > > From: Andalite200 <andalite200@ >
                              > > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: ciao cugini! Hi
                              > > To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                              > > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:39 AM
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > well my grandma has all the papers and my grandma's at home in
                              > Chicago... I am here in
                              > > cold Wisconsin which apparently also has Maranesi? Strange life..
                              > > I wouldn't know much about Theresa Volpentesta to be honest.. she's
                              > my great-great-
                              > > grandma, my grandma's maternal grandmother. . the only way I know
                              > of her is from stories
                              > > and oral traditions, as well as my great-grandma' s death
                              > certificate where Theresa is listed
                              > > as her mother..
                              > > xox
                              > > Mark
                              > >
                              > > --- In maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com, "Anthony Molinaro"
                              > <tonydebmo@ ..> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > There are many VOLPENTESTAs on my wife's side of the family. Most
                              > of them
                              > > > lived in Chicago and in Kenosha. Do you know what year Theresa
                              > Volpentesta
                              > > > was born? Or maybe when she died?
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@ ...>
                              > > > To: <maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com>
                              > > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
                              > > > Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > Hi
                              > > > >
                              > > > > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                              > > > > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my
                              > grandmother' s
                              > > > > people. My
                              > > > > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal
                              > grandmother' s
                              > > > > parents, were
                              > > > > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were
                              > Ferdinando
                              > > > > De Bartolo
                              > > > > and Theresa Volpentesta.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to
                              > Marano?
                              > > > > His parents
                              > > > > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have
                              > always been
                              > > > > artists!) and
                              > > > > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when
                              > I go home
                              > > > > and look at the
                              > > > > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's
                              > family.. both my
                              > > > > parents live
                              > > > > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in
                              > Wisconsin, where
                              > > > > my father's
                              > > > > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am
                              > related to
                              > > > > some of you!
                              > > > > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende
                              > ultimately had
                              > > > > French origins or
                              > > > > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site
                              > to learn
                              > > > > everything I could
                              > > > > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as
                              > about
                              > > > > Marano itself. While I
                              > > > > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd
                              > particularly
                              > > > > like the original
                              > > > > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We
                              > have lost
                              > > > > that recipe and now
                              > > > > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may
                              > be some
                              > > > > cousins that
                              > > > > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come
                              > here
                              > > > > first.. and if anyone
                              > > > > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa
                              > Volpentesta - had
                              > > > > relatives who
                              > > > > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy,
                              > and one of
                              > > > > the children was
                              > > > > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know
                              > anything else
                              > > > > about this?
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Thanks
                              > > > > you guys are awesome
                              > > > > sincerely
                              > > > > Mark
                              > > > > xoxoxo
                              > > > > baci a tutti
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              >


                            • erminia_angilletta
                              This is all the information I have so far on my Volpentesta or Rovella sides. I am posting here hoping someone may be able to help... I have Saveria Rovella,
                              Message 14 of 26 , Nov 5, 2008
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                                This is all the information I have so far on my Volpentesta or Rovella
                                sides. I am posting here hoping someone may be able to help...

                                I have Saveria Rovella, daughter of Raffaele Rovella (born abt 1814)
                                and Costanza Volpentesta, (born abt 1814) born on 16th Nov 1842 in
                                Rende. She married Luigi Napolitano from San Fili.

                                You can view some of the information I have on this page:

                                http://www.gentedimareitaliangenealogy.com/main/napolitano.html

                                The link for Saveria is active but I have not yet linked the others..I
                                am working on it though.



                                --- In maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com, Helen Anderson <hja_42@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Thanks Ermina.
                                > �
                                > Where does your Volpentesta line come in? Mine are from Rende.
                                >
                                > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, erminia_angilletta <nuccia.salvati@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > From: erminia_angilletta <nuccia.salvati@...>
                                > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: ciao cugini! Hi
                                > To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 3:28 PM
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Hi Helen!
                                >
                                > Thanks for the kind words about my website at Gente
                                > (http://www.gentedim areitaliangeneal ogy.com). It really has been a
                                > labor of love is the basis for many of the other sites we now host. I
                                > have been concentrating quite a bit on my father's side lately who
                                > were from Reggio Calabria but I promise to try and get some records up
                                > for my relatives in Cosenza. Cathy's Cosenza
                                > Exchange(http://www.cosenzae xchange.com) and my Calabria Exchange
                                > (http://www.calabria exchange. com)were formatted after the Carini
                                > Exchange (http://www.cariniex change.com). We worked very closely with
                                > James, the administrator of the original exchange to create a group,
                                > if you will of sites that would host complete records for the comuni
                                > mentioned.
                                >
                                > Anyway, I have plans to possibly continue with Malito research as my
                                > mother is from there. I already have quite a bit of information,
                                > mainly from my Macchione relatives and am looking for information on
                                > the Rovella families of Rende and of Costanza Volpentesta' s family in
                                > Marano.
                                >
                                > Can anyone help at all?
                                >
                                > --- In maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com, "Cathy" <montaltogirl@ ...>
                                wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Nuccia the administrator and owner of Gente di Mare has Volpentesta
                                > > roots (from Rende). Since my FHC has some Rende films I was able to
                                > > capture all Volpentesta marriages in Rende from 1830-1835 for her. I
                                > > put them on a webpage for her, extracted basic information and linked
                                > > copies of the actual records. This was only meant for her eyes but
                                > > since there may be interest here, here is a link to the page:
                                > > http://www.cosenzae xchange.com/ rende/volpentest amarriage. html
                                > > It's a little sloppy...sorry.
                                > > Cathy
                                > >
                                > > --- In maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com, Helen Anderson <hja_42@>
                                > > wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > Hi,
                                > > > �
                                > > > I found a terrific website quite by accident . After exhausting my
                                > > usual resources searching for my Volpentesta roots. I keyed in
                                > > Volpentesta genealogy.�It's called Gente di Mare Italian Genealogy.
                                > > > �
                                > > > I didn't find much on Volpentesta but there was plenty of
                                > > information available.
                                > > > �
                                > > > Helen
                                > > >
                                > > > --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Andalite200 <andalite200@ > wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > From: Andalite200 <andalite200@ >
                                > > > Subject: [maranofamilies] Re: ciao cugini! Hi
                                > > > To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                > > > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:39 AM
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > well my grandma has all the papers and my grandma's at home in
                                > > Chicago... I am here in
                                > > > cold Wisconsin which apparently also has Maranesi? Strange life..
                                > > > I wouldn't know much about Theresa Volpentesta to be honest.. she's
                                > > my great-great-
                                > > > grandma, my grandma's maternal grandmother. . the only way I know
                                > > of her is from stories
                                > > > and oral traditions, as well as my great-grandma' s death
                                > > certificate where Theresa is listed
                                > > > as her mother..
                                > > > xox
                                > > > Mark
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com, "Anthony Molinaro"
                                > > <tonydebmo@ ..> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > There are many VOLPENTESTAs on my wife's side of the family. Most
                                > > of them
                                > > > > lived in Chicago and in Kenosha. Do you know what year Theresa
                                > > Volpentesta
                                > > > > was born? Or maybe when she died?
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > From: "Andalite200" <andalite200@ ...>
                                > > > > To: <maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com>
                                > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:14 AM
                                > > > > Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > Hi
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                                > > > > > My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my
                                > > grandmother' s
                                > > > > > people. My
                                > > > > > great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal
                                > > grandmother' s
                                > > > > > parents, were
                                > > > > > Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were
                                > > Ferdinando
                                > > > > > De Bartolo
                                > > > > > and Theresa Volpentesta.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to
                                > > Marano?
                                > > > > > His parents
                                > > > > > were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have
                                > > always been
                                > > > > > artists!) and
                                > > > > > Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when
                                > > I go home
                                > > > > > and look at the
                                > > > > > papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's
                                > > family.. both my
                                > > > > > parents live
                                > > > > > near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in
                                > > Wisconsin, where
                                > > > > > my father's
                                > > > > > family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am
                                > > related to
                                > > > > > some of you!
                                > > > > > There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende
                                > > ultimately had
                                > > > > > French origins or
                                > > > > > French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site
                                > > to learn
                                > > > > > everything I could
                                > > > > > about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as
                                > > about
                                > > > > > Marano itself. While I
                                > > > > > recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd
                                > > particularly
                                > > > > > like the original
                                > > > > > recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We
                                > > have lost
                                > > > > > that recipe and now
                                > > > > > make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may
                                > > be some
                                > > > > > cousins that
                                > > > > > have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come
                                > > here
                                > > > > > first.. and if anyone
                                > > > > > has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa
                                > > Volpentesta - had
                                > > > > > relatives who
                                > > > > > emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy,
                                > > and one of
                                > > > > > the children was
                                > > > > > born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know
                                > > anything else
                                > > > > > about this?
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Thanks
                                > > > > > you guys are awesome
                                > > > > > sincerely
                                > > > > > Mark
                                > > > > > xoxoxo
                                > > > > > baci a tutti
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                >
                              • Rosemarie Guadnolo
                                If your name is Greco, it probably means that you are of greek origin. ________________________________ From: Andalite200 To:
                                Message 15 of 26 , Nov 11, 2008
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                                  If your name is Greco, it probably means that you are of greek origin.


                                  From: Andalite200 <andalite200@...>
                                  To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:14:55 AM
                                  Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                  Hi

                                  My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                                  My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother' s people. My
                                  great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother' s parents, were
                                  Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando De Bartolo
                                  and Theresa Volpentesta.

                                  And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano? His parents
                                  were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been artists!) and
                                  Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when I go home and look at the
                                  papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my parents live
                                  near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where my father's
                                  family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.

                                  I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to some of you!
                                  There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had French origins or
                                  French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn everything I could
                                  about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about Marano itself. While I
                                  recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly like the original
                                  recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost that recipe and now
                                  make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some cousins that
                                  have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here first.. and if anyone
                                  has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.

                                  My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had relatives who
                                  emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of the children was
                                  born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else about this?

                                  Thanks
                                  you guys are awesome
                                  sincerely
                                  Mark
                                  xoxoxo
                                  baci a tutti


                                • rose pennington
                                  A belated welcome to you, Mark.    Rosemarie, your comment makes total sense in a broad spectrum line of thinking.  But it also brings to mind two other
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Nov 11, 2008
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                                    A belated welcome to you, Mark. 
                                     
                                    Rosemarie, your comment makes total sense in a broad spectrum line of thinking.  But it also brings to mind two other thoughts. 
                                     
                                    One, is that a cousin of mine was visiting Marano Principato, and while viewing family names at the local cemetery was told by family members who still live in the area that one particular group "residing" at the cemetery with the same surname as ours were actually not related to us; that they were another family who had come to Marano P. from a foreign country and had taken a local name "to fit in better."  Has anyone in the group ever heard a similar story?  Could it, indeed, be based on fact?  And if so, how many other families may there be like that?
                                     
                                    The second thing is this, and is similar to the thinking about the Greco family originating in Greece; I recall asking my father many years ago a question regarding his Cairo cousins - did their surname mean that they originally came from, you guessed it - Cairo?  It was a puzzling thought.  He said he didn't know.  Anyone know, other than the obvious, about the origin of that surname?  Just curious.
                                     
                                    Just imagine what answers for our group could found with DNA analysis!  We may have a great group for an ancestral research project at some point.  What would you think, Lisa - and everyone, if it somehow wouldn't be cost-prohibitive?
                                     
                                    Rose 

                                    --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@...> wrote:
                                    From: Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@...>
                                    Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                    To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                    Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:37 AM

                                    If your name is Greco, it probably means that you are of greek origin.


                                    From: Andalite200 <andalite200@ yahoo.com>
                                    To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                    Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:14:55 AM
                                    Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                    Hi

                                    My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                                    My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother' s people. My
                                    great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother' s parents, were
                                    Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando De Bartolo
                                    and Theresa Volpentesta.

                                    And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano? His parents
                                    were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been artists!) and
                                    Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when I go home and look at the
                                    papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my parents live
                                    near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where my father's
                                    family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.

                                    I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to some of you!
                                    There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had French origins or
                                    French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn everything I could
                                    about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about Marano itself. While I
                                    recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly like the original
                                    recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost that recipe and now
                                    make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some cousins that
                                    have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here first.. and if anyone
                                    has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.

                                    My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had relatives who
                                    emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of the children was
                                    born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else about this?

                                    Thanks
                                    you guys are awesome
                                    sincerely
                                    Mark
                                    xoxoxo
                                    baci a tutti



                                  • Michael E. Rolland
                                    Just another thought on people moving in the past from foreign countries to southern Italy. While this is certainly possible, I d like to propose another
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Nov 12, 2008
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                                      Just another thought on people moving in the past from "foreign countries" to southern Italy. While this is certainly possible, I'd like to propose another possibility:

                                      The term foreign country, abroad, or "estero" in Italian has a very fluid meaning. Even today, people in southern villages (like our own) will say that certain relatives emigrated "all'estero", but what they really mean is that they went to some other part of Italy, probably the north -- Turin, Milan, etc. So I wouldn't automatically assume that the local history, which recounts that this other family came from "another country", means that they were from outside Italy. They may have been Sicilians or Neapolitans, but any time more than 50 years ago, that may as well have been Mars!, Also remember, that if they came before 1860, other parts of Italy really *were* other countries!

                                      Further, one can often tell from Italian surnames where in the peninsula (roughly) one's ancestors originated. So if these people moved to Marano and had a surname that was very identifiably northern, or Sicilian, or Tuscan, etc., they may have wanted to change it to seem less "foreign."

                                      Obviously there have been waves of immigration to southern Italy throughout history; I really think we're one of the most genetically mixed peoples in Europe. The area has seen incursions or periods of rule by the ancient Greeks, the Romans, Byzantine Greeks, Arabs, the Norman French, the Spanish, Austrians, etc. There have also been waves of refugees from Albania, and many other small and individual migrations. It would be interesting but almost impossible to know where all of our ancestors came from. Further, more than three or four generations down the line, what much does it matter? Just as we now are Americans, Canadians, Argentinians, etc., our Italian ancestors, when they emigrated, were Calabresi; their ancestry was probably nothing more than a curiosity for them.

                                      Genetics may be the best way to go about determining these distant origins, but the best way would probably be to test individuals whose heritage is strictly Maranese, or at least strictly Calabrese;
                                      otherwise, it might be hard to tell the Calabrese parts from all the rest. I, for one, am half Calabrese, all concentrated in the same small area (M. Principato, M. Marchesato, Rende, and Cerisano), but my other half is a wild mix of central European nationalities. To know much about the Italian side, I would have to convince my mother to do the test, as she is "pure" Cosentina.
                                      Still, it would be interesting! I for one wouldn't mind the cost, as long as it wasn't ridiculous. I think such analyses can be done now for around $100?

                                      Food for thought.

                                      Best,

                                      - Michael

                                      --
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                                      5742 Ridgecrest Dr.
                                      Racine WI 53403-9758
                                      +1.262.412.0194
                                      mrolland@...
                                      michael.e.rolland@...

                                      ----- Mensaje original -----
                                      De: "rose pennington" <rose1ro@...>
                                      Para: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                      Enviados: Miércoles, 12 de Noviembre 2008 0:50:24 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlín / Berna / Roma / Estocolmo / Viena
                                      Asunto: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi







                                      A belated welcome to you, Mark. 
                                       
                                      Rosemarie, your comment makes total sense in a broad spectrum line of thinking.  But it also brings to mind two other thoughts. 
                                       
                                      One, is that a cousin of mine was visiting Marano Principato, and while viewing family names at the local cemetery was told by family members who still live in the area that one particular group "residing" at the cemetery with the same surname as ours were actually not related to us; that they were another family who had come to Marano P. from a foreign country and had taken a local name "to fit in better."  Has anyone in the group ever heard a similar story?  Could it, indeed, be based on fact?  And if so, how many other families may there be like that?
                                       
                                      The second thing is this, and is similar to the thinking about the Greco family originating in Greece; I recall asking my father many years ago a question regarding his Cairo cousins - did their surname mean that they originally came from, you guessed it - Cairo?  It was a puzzling thought.  He said he didn't know.  Anyone know, other than the obvious, about the origin of that surname?  Just curious.
                                       
                                      Just imagine what answers for our group could found with DNA analysis!  We may have a great group for an ancestral research project at some point.  What would you think, Lisa - and everyone, if it somehow wouldn't be cost-prohibitive?
                                       
                                      Rose 

                                      --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@...> wrote:


                                      From: Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                      To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:37 AM






                                      If your name is Greco, it probably means that you are of greek origin.




                                      From: Andalite200 <andalite200@ yahoo.com>
                                      To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                      Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:14:55 AM
                                      Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi



                                      Hi

                                      My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                                      My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother' s people. My
                                      great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother' s parents, were
                                      Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando De Bartolo
                                      and Theresa Volpentesta.

                                      And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano? His parents
                                      were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been artists!) and
                                      Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when I go home and look at the
                                      papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my parents live
                                      near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where my father's
                                      family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.

                                      I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to some of you!
                                      There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had French origins or
                                      French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn everything I could
                                      about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about Marano itself. While I
                                      recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly like the original
                                      recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost that recipe and now
                                      make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some cousins that
                                      have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here first.. and if anyone
                                      has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.

                                      My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had relatives who
                                      emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of the children was
                                      born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else about this?

                                      Thanks
                                      you guys are awesome
                                      sincerely
                                      Mark
                                      xoxoxo
                                      baci a tutti
                                    • rose pennington
                                      Hi Michael,   Thank you for your thoughts.  Yes, I had, of course, considered the various possibilites you mentioned regarding the term foreign (my
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                                        Hi Michael,
                                         
                                        Thank you for your thoughts.  Yes, I had, of course, considered the various possibilites you mentioned regarding the term "foreign" (my paraphrasing) and also had considered how the hilltown people of MM and MP might have interpreted just what a "foreigner" was when I emailed the group about this topic. 
                                         
                                        However, in this particular instance, what I recall being told about the incident is that the other family sharing our family name (Presta, in this case) was not related to us and came from "somewhere else, far - another county;" they thought a Balkan country.  (Coincidentally, how very similar to Virginia's wording of her family's background.)  Since I was not present for the conversation, I cannot know with certainty exactly what was said.  But when you think about it, the how and why of  someone from such a distant place (in those days) finding our little Marano villages to settle in is really intriguing. 
                                         
                                        The point is, our Calabrian roots may consist of any number of ethnic backgrounds and yes, to some it may not matter.  Personally, I am curious.  I do think it would tell us a lot to know how our Calabrian ancestors got to where they were (in this case MM and MP) and how some migrated to where we are now - USA, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, etc.  I thought it was a given that the Marano Families group members with direct lines originating from both Marano Marchesato and Marano Principato, and perhaps Rende or other relavent towns, would test - if we even ever got to that point. We have a unique chance to map our towns' evolution.   
                                         
                                        I'm glad you would consider the idea.
                                         
                                        Rose
                                         
                                         , 11/12/08, Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@...> wrote:
                                        From: Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@...>
                                        Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                        To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                        Cc: "michael e rolland" <michael.e.rolland@...>
                                        Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:04 AM

                                        Just another thought on people moving in the past from "foreign countries" to southern Italy. While this is certainly possible, I'd like to propose another possibility:

                                        The term foreign country, abroad, or "estero" in Italian has a very fluid meaning. Even today, people in southern villages (like our own) will say that certain relatives emigrated "all'estero" , but what they really mean is that they went to some other part of Italy, probably the north -- Turin, Milan, etc. So I wouldn't automatically assume that the local history, which recounts that this other family came from "another country", means that they were from outside Italy. They may have been Sicilians or Neapolitans, but any time more than 50 years ago, that may as well have been Mars!, Also remember, that if they came before 1860, other parts of Italy really *were* other countries!

                                        Further, one can often tell from Italian surnames where in the peninsula (roughly) one's ancestors originated. So if these people moved to Marano and had a surname that was very identifiably northern, or Sicilian, or Tuscan, etc., they may have wanted to change it to seem less "foreign."

                                        Obviously there have been waves of immigration to southern Italy throughout history; I really think we're one of the most genetically mixed peoples in Europe. The area has seen incursions or periods of rule by the ancient Greeks, the Romans, Byzantine Greeks, Arabs, the Norman French, the Spanish, Austrians, etc. There have also been waves of refugees from Albania, and many other small and individual migrations. It would be interesting but almost impossible to know where all of our ancestors came from. Further, more than three or four generations down the line, what much does it matter? Just as we now are Americans, Canadians, Argentinians, etc., our Italian ancestors, when they emigrated, were Calabresi; their ancestry was probably nothing more than a curiosity for them.

                                        Genetics may be the best way to go about determining these distant origins, but the best way would probably be to test individuals whose heritage is strictly Maranese, or at least strictly Calabrese;
                                        otherwise, it might be hard to tell the Calabrese parts from all the rest. I, for one, am half Calabrese, all concentrated in the same small area (M. Principato, M. Marchesato, Rende, and Cerisano), but my other half is a wild mix of central European nationalities. To know much about the Italian side, I would have to convince my mother to do the test, as she is "pure" Cosentina.
                                        Still, it would be interesting! I for one wouldn't mind the cost, as long as it wasn't ridiculous. I think such analyses can be done now for around $100?

                                        Food for thought.

                                        Best,

                                        - Michael

                                        --
                                        Michael E. Rolland
                                        5742 Ridgecrest Dr.
                                        Racine WI 53403-9758
                                        +1.262.412.0194
                                        mrolland@uwm. edu
                                        michael.e.rolland@ gmail.com

                                        ----- Mensaje original -----
                                        De: "rose pennington" <rose1ro@yahoo. com>
                                        Para: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Enviados: Miércoles, 12 de Noviembre 2008 0:50:24 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlín / Berna / Roma / Estocolmo / Viena
                                        Asunto: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                        A belated welcome to you, Mark. 
                                         
                                        Rosemarie, your comment makes total sense in a broad spectrum line of thinking.  But it also brings to mind two other thoughts. 
                                         
                                        One, is that a cousin of mine was visiting Marano Principato, and while viewing family names at the local cemetery was told by family members who still live in the area that one particular group "residing" at the cemetery with the same surname as ours were actually not related to us; that they were another family who had come to Marano P. from a foreign country and had taken a local name "to fit in better."  Has anyone in the group ever heard a similar  story?  Could it, indeed, be based on fact?  And if so, how many other families may there be like that?
                                         
                                        The second thing is this, and is similar to the thinking about the Greco family originating in Greece; I recall asking my father many years ago a question regarding his Cairo cousins - did their surname mean that they originally came from, you guessed it - Cairo?  It was a puzzling thought.  He said he didn't know.  Anyone know, other than the obvious, about the origin of that surname?  Just curious.
                                         
                                        Just imagine what answers for our group could found with DNA analysis!  We may have a great group for an ancestral research project at some point.  What would you think, Lisa - and everyone, if it somehow wouldn't be cost-prohibitive?
                                         
                                        Rose 

                                        --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                        From: Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com>
                                        Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                        To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:37 AM

                                        If your name is Greco, it probably means that you are of greek origin.

                                        From: Andalite200 <andalite200@ yahoo.com>
                                        To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:14:55 AM
                                        Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                        Hi

                                        My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                                        My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother' s people. My
                                        great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother' s parents, were
                                        Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando De Bartolo
                                        and Theresa Volpentesta.

                                        And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano? His parents
                                        were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been artists!) and
                                        Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when I go home and look at the
                                        papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my parents live
                                        near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where my father's
                                        family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.

                                        I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to some of you!
                                        There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had French origins or
                                        French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn everything I could
                                        about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about Marano itself. While I
                                        recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly like the original
                                        recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost that recipe and now
                                        make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some cousins that
                                        have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here first.. and if anyone
                                        has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.

                                        My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had relatives who
                                        emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of the children was
                                        born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else about this?

                                        Thanks
                                        you guys are awesome
                                        sincerely
                                        Mark
                                        xoxoxo
                                        baci a tutti


                                      • Nuccia Salvati
                                        Lou Loccisiano has done a similar thing with the ancestors of those born in Reggio Calabria (mainly Martone, Gioisa Ionica and Grotteria) throu the Calabria
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                                          Lou Loccisiano has done a similar thing with the ancestors of those born in Reggio Calabria (mainly Martone, Gioisa Ionica and Grotteria)  throu the Calabria DNA project. ( http://www.calabriadna.com/ ) Would be interesting if someone were to do the same type of testing with the residents of Marano, Rende, and surrounding towns.

                                          On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:05 AM, rose pennington <rose1ro@...> wrote:

                                          Hi Michael,
                                           
                                          Thank you for your thoughts.  Yes, I had, of course, considered the various possibilites you mentioned regarding the term "foreign" (my paraphrasing) and also had considered how the hilltown people of MM and MP might have interpreted just what a "foreigner" was when I emailed the group about this topic. 
                                           
                                          However, in this particular instance, what I recall being told about the incident is that the other family sharing our family name (Presta, in this case) was not related to us and came from "somewhere else, far - another county;" they thought a Balkan country.  (Coincidentally, how very similar to Virginia's wording of her family's background.)  Since I was not present for the conversation, I cannot know with certainty exactly what was said.  But when you think about it, the how and why of  someone from such a distant place (in those days) finding our little Marano villages to settle in is really intriguing. 
                                           
                                          The point is, our Calabrian roots may consist of any number of ethnic backgrounds and yes, to some it may not matter.  Personally, I am curious.  I do think it would tell us a lot to know how our Calabrian ancestors got to where they were (in this case MM and MP) and how some migrated to where we are now - USA, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, etc.  I thought it was a given that the Marano Families group members with direct lines originating from both Marano Marchesato and Marano Principato, and perhaps Rende or other relavent towns, would test - if we even ever got to that point. We have a unique chance to map our towns' evolution.   
                                           
                                          I'm glad you would consider the idea.
                                           
                                          Rose
                                           
                                           , 11/12/08, Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@...> wrote:
                                          From: Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@...>

                                          Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                          To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                          Cc: "michael e rolland" <michael.e.rolland@...>
                                          Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:04 AM


                                          Just another thought on people moving in the past from "foreign countries" to southern Italy. While this is certainly possible, I'd like to propose another possibility:

                                          The term foreign country, abroad, or "estero" in Italian has a very fluid meaning. Even today, people in southern villages (like our own) will say that certain relatives emigrated "all'estero" , but what they really mean is that they went to some other part of Italy, probably the north -- Turin, Milan, etc. So I wouldn't automatically assume that the local history, which recounts that this other family came from "another country", means that they were from outside Italy. They may have been Sicilians or Neapolitans, but any time more than 50 years ago, that may as well have been Mars!, Also remember, that if they came before 1860, other parts of Italy really *were* other countries!

                                          Further, one can often tell from Italian surnames where in the peninsula (roughly) one's ancestors originated. So if these people moved to Marano and had a surname that was very identifiably northern, or Sicilian, or Tuscan, etc., they may have wanted to change it to seem less "foreign."

                                          Obviously there have been waves of immigration to southern Italy throughout history; I really think we're one of the most genetically mixed peoples in Europe. The area has seen incursions or periods of rule by the ancient Greeks, the Romans, Byzantine Greeks, Arabs, the Norman French, the Spanish, Austrians, etc. There have also been waves of refugees from Albania, and many other small and individual migrations. It would be interesting but almost impossible to know where all of our ancestors came from. Further, more than three or four generations down the line, what much does it matter? Just as we now are Americans, Canadians, Argentinians, etc., our Italian ancestors, when they emigrated, were Calabresi; their ancestry was probably nothing more than a curiosity for them.

                                          Genetics may be the best way to go about determining these distant origins, but the best way would probably be to test individuals whose heritage is strictly Maranese, or at least strictly Calabrese;
                                          otherwise, it might be hard to tell the Calabrese parts from all the rest. I, for one, am half Calabrese, all concentrated in the same small area (M. Principato, M. Marchesato, Rende, and Cerisano), but my other half is a wild mix of central European nationalities. To know much about the Italian side, I would have to convince my mother to do the test, as she is "pure" Cosentina.
                                          Still, it would be interesting! I for one wouldn't mind the cost, as long as it wasn't ridiculous. I think such analyses can be done now for around $100?

                                          Food for thought.

                                          Best,

                                          - Michael

                                          --
                                          Michael E. Rolland
                                          5742 Ridgecrest Dr.
                                          Racine WI 53403-9758
                                          +1.262.412.0194
                                          mrolland@uwm. edu
                                          michael.e.rolland@ gmail.com

                                          ----- Mensaje original -----
                                          De: "rose pennington" <rose1ro@yahoo. com>
                                          Para: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                          Enviados: Miércoles, 12 de Noviembre 2008 0:50:24 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlín / Berna / Roma / Estocolmo / Viena
                                          Asunto: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                          A belated welcome to you, Mark. 
                                           
                                          Rosemarie, your comment makes total sense in a broad spectrum line of thinking.  But it also brings to mind two other thoughts. 
                                           
                                          One, is that a cousin of mine was visiting Marano Principato, and while viewing family names at the local cemetery was told by family members who still live in the area that one particular group "residing" at the cemetery with the same surname as ours were actually not related to us; that they were another family who had come to Marano P. from a foreign country and had taken a local name "to fit in better."  Has anyone in the group ever heard a similar  story?  Could it, indeed, be based on fact?  And if so, how many other families may there be like that?
                                           
                                          The second thing is this, and is similar to the thinking about the Greco family originating in Greece; I recall asking my father many years ago a question regarding his Cairo cousins - did their surname mean that they originally came from, you guessed it - Cairo?  It was a puzzling thought.  He said he didn't know.  Anyone know, other than the obvious, about the origin of that surname?  Just curious.
                                           
                                          Just imagine what answers for our group could found with DNA analysis!  We may have a great group for an ancestral research project at some point.  What would you think, Lisa - and everyone, if it somehow wouldn't be cost-prohibitive?
                                           
                                          Rose 

                                          --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                          From: Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com>
                                          Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                          To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                          Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:37 AM

                                          If your name is Greco, it probably means that you are of greek origin.

                                          From: Andalite200 <andalite200@ yahoo.com>
                                          To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                          Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:14:55 AM
                                          Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                          Hi

                                          My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                                          My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother' s people. My
                                          great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother' s parents, were
                                          Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando De Bartolo
                                          and Theresa Volpentesta.

                                          And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano? His parents
                                          were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been artists!) and
                                          Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when I go home and look at the
                                          papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my parents live
                                          near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where my father's
                                          family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.

                                          I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to some of you!
                                          There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had French origins or
                                          French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn everything I could
                                          about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about Marano itself. While I
                                          recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly like the original
                                          recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost that recipe and now
                                          make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some cousins that
                                          have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here first.. and if anyone
                                          has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.

                                          My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had relatives who
                                          emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of the children was
                                          born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else about this?

                                          Thanks
                                          you guys are awesome
                                          sincerely
                                          Mark
                                          xoxoxo
                                          baci a tutti





                                          --
                                          Nuccia
                                          http://www.gentedimaregenealogy.com
                                          http://www.calabriaexchange.com
                                          "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one"

                                        • Spizzirri, Frank
                                          Fascinating...absolutely fascinating...thanks for the link... There is no doubt that there is a significant amount of genetic diversity in the population of
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                                            Fascinating...absolutely fascinating...thanks for the link...
                                             
                                            There is no doubt that there is a significant amount of genetic diversity in the population of Calabria.  In the last 2,500 years, Calabria, being an entry and exit point from Europe, or its various parts have been ruled or visited by indigenous bronze and iron age people, the greeks, the Romans, arabs, normans ("ruggiero" is "roger" and the normans are the main source of grey eyes), Germans (via the Holy Roman Empire), those fleeing the arabs (albanians and more greeks - many towns and even last names have "albanese" in them), spaniards, and the french and even jews (there is a now depopulated quarter of Rende called "a Iudeica" (sic) where, the story goes, some jewish folk lived).  Their respective legacies (churches, town names, etc) dot the landscape so why shouldn't their genes as well.
                                             
                                            That said, stories of people coming from far away should be taken with a grain of salt...100 years ago or more it would take a person a full day to walk from Mont'Alto Uffugo to Rende...2 days to get there from Castovillari and probably a week from Reggio di Calabria...500 years ago it probably have taken double the time and be fraught with many dangers, making any trip that much longer...trips that today would take 15 minutes, 30-40 minutes and 2-3 hours, respectively...add in the incredibly diverse dialects and customs that existed at the time and you could have folks viewed as complete foreigners from far away lands that today would not even be noticed...
                                             
                                            As I said, fascinating...


                                            From: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nuccia Salvati
                                            Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:09 AM
                                            To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                            Lou Loccisiano has done a similar thing with the ancestors of those born in Reggio Calabria (mainly Martone, Gioisa Ionica and Grotteria)  throu the Calabria DNA project. ( http://www.calabria dna.com/ ) Would be interesting if someone were to do the same type of testing with the residents of Marano, Rende, and surrounding towns.

                                            On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:05 AM, rose pennington <rose1ro@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                            Hi Michael,
                                             
                                            Thank you for your thoughts.  Yes, I had, of course, considered the various possibilites you mentioned regarding the term "foreign" (my paraphrasing) and also had considered how the hilltown people of MM and MP might have interpreted just what a "foreigner" was when I emailed the group about this topic. 
                                             
                                            However, in this particular instance, what I recall being told about the incident is that the other family sharing our family name (Presta, in this case) was not related to us and came from "somewhere else, far - another county;" they thought a Balkan country.  (Coincidentally, how very similar to Virginia's wording of her family's background.)  Since I was not present for the conversation, I cannot know with certainty exactly what was said.  But when you think about it, the how and why of  someone from such a distant place (in those days) finding our little Marano villages to settle in is really intriguing. 
                                             
                                            The point is, our Calabrian roots may consist of any number of ethnic backgrounds and yes, to some it may not matter.  Personally, I am curious.  I do think it would tell us a lot to know how our Calabrian ancestors got to where they were (in this case MM and MP) and how some migrated to where we are now - USA, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, etc.  I thought it was a given that the Marano Families group members with direct lines originating from both Marano Marchesato and Marano Principato, and perhaps Rende or other relavent towns, would test - if we even ever got to that point. We have a unique chance to map our towns' evolution.   
                                             
                                            I'm glad you would consider the idea.
                                             
                                            Rose
                                             
                                             , 11/12/08, Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@uwm. edu> wrote:
                                            From: Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@uwm. edu>

                                            Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                            To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Cc: "michael e rolland" <michael.e.rolland@ gmail.com>
                                            Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:04 AM


                                            Just another thought on people moving in the past from "foreign countries" to southern Italy. While this is certainly possible, I'd like to propose another possibility:

                                            The term foreign country, abroad, or "estero" in Italian has a very fluid meaning. Even today, people in southern villages (like our own) will say that certain relatives emigrated "all'estero" , but what they really mean is that they went to some other part of Italy, probably the north -- Turin, Milan, etc. So I wouldn't automatically assume that the local history, which recounts that this other family came from "another country", means that they were from outside Italy. They may have been Sicilians or Neapolitans, but any time more than 50 years ago, that may as well have been Mars!, Also remember, that if they came before 1860, other parts of Italy really *were* other countries!

                                            Further, one can often tell from Italian surnames where in the peninsula (roughly) one's ancestors originated. So if these people moved to Marano and had a surname that was very identifiably northern, or Sicilian, or Tuscan, etc., they may have wanted to change it to seem less "foreign."

                                            Obviously there have been waves of immigration to southern Italy throughout history; I really think we're one of the most genetically mixed peoples in Europe. The area has seen incursions or periods of rule by the ancient Greeks, the Romans, Byzantine Greeks, Arabs, the Norman French, the Spanish, Austrians, etc. There have also been waves of refugees from Albania, and many other small and individual migrations. It would be interesting but almost impossible to know where all of our ancestors came from. Further, more than three or four generations down the line, what much does it matter? Just as we now are Americans, Canadians, Argentinians, etc., our Italian ancestors, when they emigrated, were Calabresi; their ancestry was probably nothing more than a curiosity for them.

                                            Genetics may be the best way to go about determining these distant origins, but the best way would probably be to test individuals whose heritage is strictly Maranese, or at least strictly Calabrese;
                                            otherwise, it might be hard to tell the Calabrese parts from all the rest. I, for one, am half Calabrese, all concentrated in the same small area (M. Principato, M. Marchesato, Rende, and Cerisano), but my other half is a wild mix of central European nationalities. To know much about the Italian side, I would have to convince my mother to do the test, as she is "pure" Cosentina.
                                            Still, it would be interesting! I for one wouldn't mind the cost, as long as it wasn't ridiculous. I think such analyses can be done now for around $100?

                                            Food for thought.

                                            Best,

                                            - Michael

                                            --
                                            Michael E. Rolland
                                            5742 Ridgecrest Dr.
                                            Racine WI 53403-9758
                                            +1.262.412.0194
                                            mrolland@uwm. edu
                                            michael.e.rolland@ gmail.com

                                            ----- Mensaje original -----
                                            De: "rose pennington" <rose1ro@yahoo. com>
                                            Para: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Enviados: Miércoles, 12 de Noviembre 2008 0:50:24 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlín / Berna / Roma / Estocolmo / Viena
                                            Asunto: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                            A belated welcome to you, Mark. 
                                             
                                            Rosemarie, your comment makes total sense in a broad spectrum line of thinking.  But it also brings to mind two other thoughts. 
                                             
                                            One, is that a cousin of mine was visiting Marano Principato, and while viewing family names at the local cemetery was told by family members who still live in the area that one particular group "residing" at the cemetery with the same surname as ours were actually not related to us; that they were another family who had come to Marano P. from a foreign country and had taken a local name "to fit in better."  Has anyone in the group ever heard a similar  story?  Could it, indeed, be based on fact?  And if so, how many other families may there be like that?
                                             
                                            The second thing is this, and is similar to the thinking about the Greco family originating in Greece; I recall asking my father many years ago a question regarding his Cairo cousins - did their surname mean that they originally came from, you guessed it - Cairo?  It was a puzzling thought.  He said he didn't know.  Anyone know, other than the obvious, about the origin of that surname?  Just curious.
                                             
                                            Just imagine what answers for our group could found with DNA analysis!  We may have a great group for an ancestral research project at some point.  What would you think, Lisa - and everyone, if it somehow wouldn't be cost-prohibitive?
                                             
                                            Rose 

                                            --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                            From: Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com>
                                            Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                            To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:37 AM

                                            If your name is Greco, it probably means that you are of greek origin.

                                            From: Andalite200 <andalite200@ yahoo.com>
                                            To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:14:55 AM
                                            Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                            Hi

                                            My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                                            My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother' s people. My
                                            great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother' s parents, were
                                            Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando De Bartolo
                                            and Theresa Volpentesta.

                                            And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano? His parents
                                            were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been artists!) and
                                            Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when I go home and look at the
                                            papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my parents live
                                            near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where my father's
                                            family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.

                                            I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to some of you!
                                            There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had French origins or
                                            French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn everything I could
                                            about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about Marano itself. While I
                                            recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly like the original
                                            recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost that recipe and now
                                            make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some cousins that
                                            have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here first.. and if anyone
                                            has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.

                                            My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had relatives who
                                            emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of the children was
                                            born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else about this?

                                            Thanks
                                            you guys are awesome
                                            sincerely
                                            Mark
                                            xoxoxo
                                            baci a tutti





                                            --
                                            Nuccia
                                            http://www.gentedim aregenealogy. com
                                            http://www.calabria exchange. com
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                                          • rose pennington
                                            Yes, I am familiar with that link and was thinking about a similar project for us for a few years now.  Lisa, is it even a possibility?    Rose ... From:
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Nov 12, 2008
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                                              Yes, I am familiar with that link and was thinking about a similar project for us for a few years now.  Lisa, is it even a possibility? 
                                               
                                              Rose


                                              --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Nuccia Salvati <nuccia.salvati@...> wrote:
                                              From: Nuccia Salvati <nuccia.salvati@...>
                                              Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                              To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                              Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 6:08 AM

                                              Lou Loccisiano has done a similar thing with the ancestors of those born in Reggio Calabria (mainly Martone, Gioisa Ionica and Grotteria)  throu the Calabria DNA project. ( http://www.calabria dna.com/ ) Would be interesting if someone were to do the same type of testing with the residents of Marano, Rende, and surrounding towns.

                                              On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:05 AM, rose pennington <rose1ro@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                              Hi Michael,
                                               
                                              Thank you for your thoughts.  Yes, I had, of course, considered the various possibilites you mentioned regarding the term "foreign" (my paraphrasing) and also had considered how the hilltown people of MM and MP might have interpreted just what a "foreigner" was when I emailed the group about this topic. 
                                               
                                              However, in this particular instance, what I recall being told about the incident is that the other family sharing our family name (Presta, in this case) was not related to us and came from "somewhere else, far - another county;" they thought a Balkan country.  (Coincidentally, how very similar to Virginia's wording of her family's background.)  Since I was not present for the conversation, I cannot know with certainty exactly what was said.  But when you think about it, the how and why of  someone from such a distant place (in those days) finding our little Marano villages to settle in is really intriguing. 
                                               
                                              The point is, our Calabrian roots may consist of any number of ethnic backgrounds and yes, to some it may not matter.  Personally, I am curious.  I do think it would tell us a lot to know how our Calabrian ancestors got to where they were (in this case MM and MP) and how some migrated to where we are now - USA, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, etc.  I thought it was a given that the Marano Families group members with direct lines originating from both Marano Marchesato and Marano Principato, and perhaps Rende or other relavent towns, would test - if we even ever got to that point. We have a unique chance to map our towns' evolution.   
                                               
                                              I'm glad you would consider the idea.
                                               
                                              Rose
                                               
                                               , 11/12/08, Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@uwm. edu> wrote:
                                              From: Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@uwm. edu>

                                              Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                              To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Cc: "michael e rolland" <michael.e.rolland@ gmail.com>
                                              Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:04 AM


                                              Just another thought on people moving in the past from "foreign countries" to southern Italy. While this is certainly possible, I'd like to propose another possibility:

                                              The term foreign country, abroad, or "estero" in Italian has a very fluid meaning. Even today, people in southern villages (like our own) will say that certain relatives emigrated "all'estero" , but what they really mean is that they went to some other part of Italy, probably the north -- Turin, Milan, etc. So I wouldn't automatically assume that the local history, which recounts that this other family came from "another country", means that they were from outside Italy. They may have been Sicilians or Neapolitans, but any time more than 50 years ago, that may as well have been Mars!, Also remember, that if they came before 1860, other parts of Italy really *were* other countries!

                                              Further, one can often tell from Italian surnames where in the peninsula (roughly) one's ancestors originated. So if these people moved to Marano and had a surname that was very identifiably northern, or Sicilian, or Tuscan, etc., they may have wanted to change it to seem less "foreign."

                                              Obviously there have been waves of immigration to southern Italy throughout history; I really think we're one of the most genetically mixed peoples in Europe. The area has seen incursions or periods of rule by the ancient Greeks, the Romans, Byzantine Greeks, Arabs, the Norman French, the Spanish, Austrians, etc. There have also been waves of refugees from Albania, and many other small and individual migrations. It would be interesting but almost impossible to know where all of our ancestors came from. Further, more than three or four generations down the line, what much does it matter? Just as we now are Americans, Canadians, Argentinians, etc., our Italian ancestors, when they emigrated, were Calabresi; their ancestry was probably nothing more than a curiosity for them.

                                              Genetics may be the best way to go about determining these distant origins, but the best way would probably be to test individuals whose heritage is strictly Maranese, or at least strictly Calabrese;
                                              otherwise, it might be hard to tell the Calabrese parts from all the rest. I, for one, am half Calabrese, all concentrated in the same small area (M. Principato, M. Marchesato, Rende, and Cerisano), but my other half is a wild mix of central European nationalities. To know much about the Italian side, I would have to convince my mother to do the test, as she is "pure" Cosentina.
                                              Still, it would be interesting! I for one wouldn't mind the cost, as long as it wasn't ridiculous. I think such analyses can be done now for around $100?

                                              Food for thought.

                                              Best,

                                              - Michael

                                              --
                                              Michael E. Rolland
                                              5742 Ridgecrest Dr.
                                              Racine WI 53403-9758
                                              +1.262.412.0194
                                              mrolland@uwm. edu
                                              michael.e.rolland@ gmail.com

                                              ----- Mensaje original -----
                                              De: "rose pennington" <rose1ro@yahoo. com>
                                              Para: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Enviados: Miércoles, 12 de Noviembre 2008 0:50:24 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlín / Berna / Roma / Estocolmo / Viena
                                              Asunto: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                              A belated welcome to you, Mark. 
                                               
                                              Rosemarie, your comment makes total sense in a broad spectrum line of thinking.  But it also brings to mind two other thoughts. 
                                               
                                              One, is that a cousin of mine was visiting Marano Principato, and while viewing family names at the local cemetery was told by family members who still live in the area that one particular group "residing" at the cemetery with the same surname as ours were actually not related to us; that they were another family who had come to Marano P. from a foreign country and had taken a local name "to fit in better."  Has anyone in the group ever heard a similar  story?  Could it, indeed, be based on fact?  And if so, how many other families may there be like that?
                                               
                                              The second thing is this, and is similar to the thinking about the Greco family originating in Greece; I recall asking my father many years ago a question regarding his Cairo cousins - did their surname mean that they originally came from, you guessed it - Cairo?  It was a puzzling thought.  He said he didn't know.  Anyone know, other than the obvious, about the origin of that surname?  Just curious.
                                               
                                              Just imagine what answers for our group could found with DNA analysis!  We may have a great group for an ancestral research project at some point.  What would you think, Lisa - and everyone, if it somehow wouldn't be cost-prohibitive?
                                               
                                              Rose 

                                              --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                              From: Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com>
                                              Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                              To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:37 AM

                                              If your name is Greco, it probably means that you are of greek origin.

                                              From: Andalite200 <andalite200@ yahoo.com>
                                              To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:14:55 AM
                                              Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                              Hi

                                              My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                                              My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother' s people. My
                                              great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother' s parents, were
                                              Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando De Bartolo
                                              and Theresa Volpentesta.

                                              And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano? His parents
                                              were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been artists!) and
                                              Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when I go home and look at the
                                              papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my parents live
                                              near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where my father's
                                              family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.

                                              I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to some of you!
                                              There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had French origins or
                                              French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn everything I could
                                              about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about Marano itself. While I
                                              recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly like the original
                                              recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost that recipe and now
                                              make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some cousins that
                                              have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here first.. and if anyone
                                              has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.

                                              My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had relatives who
                                              emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of the children was
                                              born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else about this?

                                              Thanks
                                              you guys are awesome
                                              sincerely
                                              Mark
                                              xoxoxo
                                              baci a tutti





                                              --
                                              Nuccia
                                              http://www.gentedim aregenealogy. com
                                              http://www.calabria exchange. com
                                              "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one"


                                            • rose pennington
                                              Frank, very eloquently stated... ... From: Spizzirri, Frank Subject: RE: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi To:
                                              Message 22 of 26 , Nov 12, 2008
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                                                Frank, very eloquently stated...

                                                --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Spizzirri, Frank <FSpizzirri@...> wrote:
                                                From: Spizzirri, Frank <FSpizzirri@...>
                                                Subject: RE: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                                To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 7:48 AM

                                                Fascinating. ..absolutely fascinating. ..thanks for the link...
                                                 
                                                There is no doubt that there is a significant amount of genetic diversity in the population of Calabria.  In the last 2,500 years, Calabria, being an entry and exit point from Europe, or its various parts have been ruled or visited by indigenous bronze and iron age people, the greeks, the Romans, arabs, normans ("ruggiero" is "roger" and the normans are the main source of grey eyes), Germans (via the Holy Roman Empire), those fleeing the arabs (albanians and more greeks - many towns and even last names have "albanese" in them), spaniards, and the french and even jews (there is a now depopulated quarter of Rende called "a Iudeica" (sic) where, the story goes, some jewish folk lived).  Their respective legacies (churches, town names, etc) dot the landscape so why shouldn't their genes as well.
                                                 
                                                That said, stories of people coming from far away should be taken with a grain of salt...100 years ago or more it would take a person a full day to walk from Mont'Alto Uffugo to Rende...2 days to get there from Castovillari and probably a week from Reggio di Calabria...500 years ago it probably have taken double the time and be fraught with many dangers, making any trip that much longer...trips that today would take 15 minutes, 30-40 minutes and 2-3 hours, respectively. ..add in the incredibly diverse dialects and customs that existed at the time and you could have folks viewed as complete foreigners from far away lands that today would not even be noticed...
                                                 
                                                As I said, fascinating. ..


                                                From: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:maranofamil ies@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Nuccia Salvati
                                                Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:09 AM
                                                To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                                Lou Loccisiano has done a similar thing with the ancestors of those born in Reggio Calabria (mainly Martone, Gioisa Ionica and Grotteria)  throu the Calabria DNA project. ( http://www.calabria dna.com/ ) Would be interesting if someone were to do the same type of testing with the residents of Marano, Rende, and surrounding towns.

                                                On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:05 AM, rose pennington <rose1ro@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                                Hi Michael,
                                                 
                                                Thank you for your thoughts.  Yes, I had, of course, considered the various possibilites you mentioned regarding the term "foreign" (my paraphrasing) and also had considered how the hilltown people of MM and MP might have interpreted just what a "foreigner" was when I emailed the group about this topic. 
                                                 
                                                However, in this particular instance, what I recall being told about the incident is that the other family sharing our family name (Presta, in this case) was not related to us and came from "somewhere else, far - another county;" they thought a Balkan country.  (Coincidentally, how very similar to Virginia's wording of her family's background.)  Since I was not present for the conversation, I cannot know with certainty exactly what was said.  But when you think about it, the how and why of  someone from such a distant place (in those days) finding our little Marano villages to settle in is really intriguing. 
                                                 
                                                The point is, our Calabrian roots may consist of any number of ethnic backgrounds and yes, to some it may not matter.  Personally, I am curious.  I do think it would tell us a lot to know how our Calabrian ancestors got to where they were (in this case MM and MP) and how some migrated to where we are now - USA, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, etc.  I thought it was a given that the Marano Families group members with direct lines originating from both Marano Marchesato and Marano Principato, and perhaps Rende or other relavent towns, would test - if we even ever got to that point. We have a unique chance to map our towns' evolution.   
                                                 
                                                I'm glad you would consider the idea.
                                                 
                                                Rose
                                                 
                                                 , 11/12/08, Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@uwm. edu> wrote:
                                                From: Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@uwm. edu>

                                                Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                                To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                Cc: "michael e rolland" <michael.e.rolland@ gmail.com>
                                                Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:04 AM


                                                Just another thought on people moving in the past from "foreign countries" to southern Italy. While this is certainly possible, I'd like to propose another possibility:

                                                The term foreign country, abroad, or "estero" in Italian has a very fluid meaning. Even today, people in southern villages (like our own) will say that certain relatives emigrated "all'estero" , but what they really mean is that they went to some other part of Italy, probably the north -- Turin, Milan, etc. So I wouldn't automatically assume that the local history, which recounts that this other family came from "another country", means that they were from outside Italy. They may have been Sicilians or Neapolitans, but any time more than 50 years ago, that may as well have been Mars!, Also remember, that if they came before 1860, other parts of Italy really *were* other countries!

                                                Further, one can often tell from Italian surnames where in the peninsula (roughly) one's ancestors originated. So if these people moved to Marano and had a surname that was very identifiably northern, or Sicilian, or Tuscan, etc., they may have wanted to change it to seem less "foreign."

                                                Obviously there have been waves of immigration to southern Italy throughout history; I really think we're one of the most genetically mixed peoples in Europe. The area has seen incursions or periods of rule by the ancient Greeks, the Romans, Byzantine Greeks, Arabs, the Norman French, the Spanish, Austrians, etc. There have also been waves of refugees from Albania, and many other small and individual migrations. It would be interesting but almost impossible to know where all of our ancestors came from. Further, more than three or four generations down the line, what much does it matter? Just as we now are Americans, Canadians, Argentinians, etc., our Italian ancestors, when they emigrated, were Calabresi; their ancestry was probably nothing more than a curiosity for them.

                                                Genetics may be the best way to go about determining these distant origins, but the best way would probably be to test individuals whose heritage is strictly Maranese, or at least strictly Calabrese;
                                                otherwise, it might be hard to tell the Calabrese parts from all the rest. I, for one, am half Calabrese, all concentrated in the same small area (M. Principato, M. Marchesato, Rende, and Cerisano), but my other half is a wild mix of central European nationalities. To know much about the Italian side, I would have to convince my mother to do the test, as she is "pure" Cosentina.
                                                Still, it would be interesting! I for one wouldn't mind the cost, as long as it wasn't ridiculous. I think such analyses can be done now for around $100?

                                                Food for thought.

                                                Best,

                                                - Michael

                                                --
                                                Michael E. Rolland
                                                5742 Ridgecrest Dr.
                                                Racine WI 53403-9758
                                                +1.262.412.0194
                                                mrolland@uwm. edu
                                                michael.e.rolland@ gmail.com

                                                ----- Mensaje original -----
                                                De: "rose pennington" <rose1ro@yahoo. com>
                                                Para: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                Enviados: Miércoles, 12 de Noviembre 2008 0:50:24 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlín / Berna / Roma / Estocolmo / Viena
                                                Asunto: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                                A belated welcome to you, Mark. 
                                                 
                                                Rosemarie, your comment makes total sense in a broad spectrum line of thinking.  But it also brings to mind two other thoughts. 
                                                 
                                                One, is that a cousin of mine was visiting Marano Principato, and while viewing family names at the local cemetery was told by family members who still live in the area that one particular group "residing" at the cemetery with the same surname as ours were actually not related to us; that they were another family who had come to Marano P. from a foreign country and had taken a local name "to fit in better."  Has anyone in the group ever heard a similar  story?  Could it, indeed, be based on fact?  And if so, how many other families may there be like that?
                                                 
                                                The second thing is this, and is similar to the thinking about the Greco family originating in Greece; I recall asking my father many years ago a question regarding his Cairo cousins - did their surname mean that they originally came from, you guessed it - Cairo?  It was a puzzling thought.  He said he didn't know.  Anyone know, other than the obvious, about the origin of that surname?  Just curious.
                                                 
                                                Just imagine what answers for our group could found with DNA analysis!  We may have a great group for an ancestral research project at some point.  What would you think, Lisa - and everyone, if it somehow wouldn't be cost-prohibitive?
                                                 
                                                Rose 

                                                --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                                From: Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com>
                                                Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                                To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:37 AM

                                                If your name is Greco, it probably means that you are of greek origin.

                                                From: Andalite200 <andalite200@ yahoo.com>
                                                To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:14:55 AM
                                                Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                                Hi

                                                My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                                                My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother' s people. My
                                                great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother' s parents, were
                                                Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando De Bartolo
                                                and Theresa Volpentesta.

                                                And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano? His parents
                                                were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been artists!) and
                                                Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when I go home and look at the
                                                papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my parents live
                                                near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where my father's
                                                family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.

                                                I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to some of you!
                                                There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had French origins or
                                                French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn everything I could
                                                about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about Marano itself. While I
                                                recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly like the original
                                                recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost that recipe and now
                                                make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some cousins that
                                                have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here first.. and if anyone
                                                has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.

                                                My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had relatives who
                                                emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of the children was
                                                born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else about this?

                                                Thanks
                                                you guys are awesome
                                                sincerely
                                                Mark
                                                xoxoxo
                                                baci a tutti





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                                              • Lisa Perkins
                                                Dear Rose and others, I think participating in a DNA project would be cool, but I am only slightly familiar about how it all works.   It seems to me that you
                                                Message 23 of 26 , Nov 13, 2008
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                                                  Dear Rose and others,
                                                  I think participating in a DNA project would be cool, but I am only slightly familiar about how it all works.   It seems to me that you can get your DNA tested through National Geographic and then contribute your data to the Calabria dna website that Nuccia referred to below ( http://www.calabria dna.com/ ) .  While that website's administrator is obviously most interested in the towns of his family origin, it appears that he is accumulating data from any Calabrese.  I don't know enough to judge whether it is better to keep the data amongst a small group (Cosenza province) or to be part of a bigger group (Calabria region.) 
                                                  Lisa
                                                   
                                                   --- On Wed, 11/12/08, rose pennington <rose1ro@...> wrote:
                                                  From: rose pennington <rose1ro@...>
                                                  Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                                  To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 2:37 PM

                                                  Yes, I am familiar with that link and was thinking about a similar project for us for a few years now.  Lisa, is it even a possibility? 
                                                   
                                                  Rose


                                                  --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Nuccia Salvati <nuccia.salvati@ gmail.com> wrote:
                                                  From: Nuccia Salvati <nuccia.salvati@ gmail.com>
                                                  Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                                  To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 6:08 AM

                                                  Lou Loccisiano has done a similar thing with the ancestors of those born in Reggio Calabria (mainly Martone, Gioisa Ionica and Grotteria)  throu the Calabria DNA project. ( http://www.calabria dna.com/ ) Would be interesting if someone were to do the same type of testing with the residents of Marano, Rende, and surrounding towns.

                                                  On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:05 AM, rose pennington <rose1ro@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                                  Hi Michael,
                                                   
                                                  Thank you for your thoughts.  Yes, I had, of course, considered the various possibilites you mentioned regarding the term "foreign" (my paraphrasing) and also had considered how the hilltown people of MM and MP might have interpreted just what a "foreigner" was when I emailed the group about this topic. 
                                                   
                                                  However, in this particular instance, what I recall being told about the incident is that the other family sharing our family name (Presta, in this case) was not related to us and came from "somewhere else, far - another county;" they thought a Balkan country.  (Coincidentally, how very similar to Virginia's wording of her family's background.)  Since I was not present for the conversation, I cannot know with certainty exactly what was said.  But when you think about it, the how and why of  someone from such a distant place (in those days) finding our little Marano villages to settle in is really intriguing. 
                                                   
                                                  The point is, our Calabrian roots may consist of any number of ethnic backgrounds and yes, to some it may not matter.  Personally, I am curious.  I do think it would tell us a lot to know how our Calabrian ancestors got to where they were (in this case MM and MP) and how some migrated to where we are now - USA, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, etc.  I thought it was a given that the Marano Families group members with direct lines originating from both Marano Marchesato and Marano Principato, and perhaps Rende or other relavent towns, would test - if we even ever got to that point. We have a unique chance to map our towns' evolution.   
                                                   
                                                  I'm glad you would consider the idea.
                                                   
                                                  Rose
                                                   
                                                   , 11/12/08, Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@uwm. edu> wrote:
                                                  From: Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@uwm. edu>

                                                  Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                                  To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Cc: "michael e rolland" <michael.e.rolland@ gmail.com>
                                                  Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:04 AM


                                                  Just another thought on people moving in the past from "foreign countries" to southern Italy. While this is certainly possible, I'd like to propose another possibility:

                                                  The term foreign country, abroad, or "estero" in Italian has a very fluid meaning. Even today, people in southern villages (like our own) will say that certain relatives emigrated "all'estero" , but what they really mean is that they went to some other part of Italy, probably the north -- Turin, Milan, etc. So I wouldn't automatically assume that the local history, which recounts that this other family came from "another country", means that they were from outside Italy. They may have been Sicilians or Neapolitans, but any time more than 50 years ago, that may as well have been Mars!, Also remember, that if they came before 1860, other parts of Italy really *were* other countries!

                                                  Further, one can often tell from Italian surnames where in the peninsula (roughly) one's ancestors originated. So if these people moved to Marano and had a surname that was very identifiably northern, or Sicilian, or Tuscan, etc., they may have wanted to change it to seem less "foreign."

                                                  Obviously there have been waves of immigration to southern Italy throughout history; I really think we're one of the most genetically mixed peoples in Europe. The area has seen incursions or periods of rule by the ancient Greeks, the Romans, Byzantine Greeks, Arabs, the Norman French, the Spanish, Austrians, etc. There have also been waves of refugees from Albania, and many other small and individual migrations. It would be interesting but almost impossible to know where all of our ancestors came from. Further, more than three or four generations down the line, what much does it matter? Just as we now are Americans, Canadians, Argentinians, etc., our Italian ancestors, when they emigrated, were Calabresi; their ancestry was probably nothing more than a curiosity for them.

                                                  Genetics may be the best way to go about determining these distant origins, but the best way would probably be to test individuals whose heritage is strictly Maranese, or at least strictly Calabrese;
                                                  otherwise, it might be hard to tell the Calabrese parts from all the rest. I, for one, am half Calabrese, all concentrated in the same small area (M. Principato, M. Marchesato, Rende, and Cerisano), but my other half is a wild mix of central European nationalities. To know much about the Italian side, I would have to convince my mother to do the test, as she is "pure" Cosentina.
                                                  Still, it would be interesting! I for one wouldn't mind the cost, as long as it wasn't ridiculous. I think such analyses can be done now for around $100?

                                                  Food for thought.

                                                  Best,

                                                  - Michael

                                                  --
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                                                  5742 Ridgecrest Dr.
                                                  Racine WI 53403-9758
                                                  +1.262.412.0194
                                                  mrolland@uwm. edu
                                                  michael.e.rolland@ gmail.com

                                                  ----- Mensaje original -----
                                                  De: "rose pennington" <rose1ro@yahoo. com>
                                                  Para: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Enviados: Miércoles, 12 de Noviembre 2008 0:50:24 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlín / Berna / Roma / Estocolmo / Viena
                                                  Asunto: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                                  A belated welcome to you, Mark. 
                                                   
                                                  Rosemarie, your comment makes total sense in a broad spectrum line of thinking.  But it also brings to mind two other thoughts. 
                                                   
                                                  One, is that a cousin of mine was visiting Marano Principato, and while viewing family names at the local cemetery was told by family members who still live in the area that one particular group "residing" at the cemetery with the same surname as ours were actually not related to us; that they were another family who had come to Marano P. from a foreign country and had taken a local name "to fit in better."  Has anyone in the group ever heard a similar  story?  Could it, indeed, be based on fact?  And if so, how many other families may there be like that?
                                                   
                                                  The second thing is this, and is similar to the thinking about the Greco family originating in Greece; I recall asking my father many years ago a question regarding his Cairo cousins - did their surname mean that they originally came from, you guessed it - Cairo?  It was a puzzling thought.  He said he didn't know.  Anyone know, other than the obvious, about the origin of that surname?  Just curious.
                                                   
                                                  Just imagine what answers for our group could found with DNA analysis!  We may have a great group for an ancestral research project at some point.  What would you think, Lisa - and everyone, if it somehow wouldn't be cost-prohibitive?
                                                   
                                                  Rose 

                                                  --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                                  From: Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com>
                                                  Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                                  To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:37 AM

                                                  If your name is Greco, it probably means that you are of greek origin.

                                                  From: Andalite200 <andalite200@ yahoo.com>
                                                  To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:14:55 AM
                                                  Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                                  Hi

                                                  My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                                                  My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother' s people. My
                                                  great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother' s parents, were
                                                  Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando De Bartolo
                                                  and Theresa Volpentesta.

                                                  And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano? His parents
                                                  were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been artists!) and
                                                  Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when I go home and look at the
                                                  papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my parents live
                                                  near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where my father's
                                                  family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.

                                                  I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to some of you!
                                                  There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had French origins or
                                                  French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn everything I could
                                                  about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about Marano itself. While I
                                                  recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly like the original
                                                  recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost that recipe and now
                                                  make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some cousins that
                                                  have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here first.. and if anyone
                                                  has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.

                                                  My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had relatives who
                                                  emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of the children was
                                                  born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else about this?

                                                  Thanks
                                                  you guys are awesome
                                                  sincerely
                                                  Mark
                                                  xoxoxo
                                                  baci a tutti





                                                  --
                                                  Nuccia
                                                  http://www.gentedim aregenealogy. com
                                                  http://www.calabria exchange. com
                                                  "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one"



                                                • Lisa Perkins
                                                  Some comments on origins and who was considered a foreigner:   When I was little my mom told me that my grandpa Basile had some French in him.  (kind of
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                                                    Some comments on origins and who was considered a foreigner:
                                                     
                                                    When I was little my mom told me that my grandpa Basile had some French in him.  (kind of makes sense).  I also heard that one line of my family ended up in Marano because someone had to flee their town in the north because they slit the throat of their business partner.  I also heard that another family line came from the north because we were really Jewish and fleeing from persecution.  Alas, I have yet to prove any of the stories... 
                                                     
                                                    More recently my great Uncle (after emmigrating to Chicago) married a girl who emmigrated from Naples.  Supposedly the relatives always referred to my Uncle's wife as "the Napolitan", but I was too young to have ever noticed this.  It was all "Italian" to me...
                                                     
                                                    Lisa

                                                  • Michael Moretti
                                                    I would definitely be interested in a DNA study. I find this stuff really interesting. It just goes to further prove how we are really all connected. _____
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                                                      I would definitely be interested in a DNA study.  I find this stuff really interesting.  It just goes to further prove how we are really all connected.

                                                       


                                                      From: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Perkins
                                                      Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:23 PM
                                                      To: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                                      Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                                       

                                                      Dear Rose and others,

                                                      I think participating in a DNA project would be cool, but I am only slightly familiar about how it all works.   It seems to me that you can get your DNA tested through National Geographic and then contribute your data to the Calabria dna website that Nuccia referred to below ( http://www.calabria dna.com/ ) .  While that website's administrator is obviously most interested in the towns of his family origin, it appears that he is accumulating data from any Calabrese.  I don't know enough to judge whether it is better to keep the data amongst a small group ( Cosenza province) or to be part of a bigger group ( Calabria region.) 

                                                      Lisa

                                                       

                                                       --- On Wed, 11/12/08, rose pennington <rose1ro@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                                      From: rose pennington <rose1ro@yahoo. com>
                                                      Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                                      To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 2:37 PM

                                                      Yes, I am familiar with that link and was thinking about a similar project for us for a few years now.  Lisa, is it even a possibility? 

                                                       

                                                      Rose



                                                      --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Nuccia Salvati <nuccia.salvati@ gmail.com> wrote:

                                                      From: Nuccia Salvati <nuccia.salvati@ gmail.com>
                                                      Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                                      To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 6:08 AM

                                                      Lou Loccisiano has done a similar thing with the ancestors of those born in Reggio Calabria (mainly Martone, Gioisa Ionica and Grotteria)  throu the Calabria DNA project. ( http://www.calabria dna.com/ ) Would be interesting if someone were to do the same type of testing with the residents of Marano, Rende, and surrounding towns.

                                                      On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:05 AM, rose pennington <rose1ro@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                                      Hi Michael,

                                                       

                                                      Thank you for your thoughts.  Yes, I had, of course, considered the various possibilites you mentioned regarding the term "foreign" (my paraphrasing) and also had considered how the hilltown people of MM and MP might have interpreted just what a "foreigner" was when I emailed the group about this topic. 

                                                       

                                                      However, in this particular instance, what I recall being told about the incident is that the other family sharing our family name (Presta, in this case) was not related to us and came from "somewhere else, far - another county;" they thought a Balkan country.  (Coincidentally, how very similar to Virginia 's wording of her family's background.)  Since I was not present for the conversation, I cannot know with certainty exactly what was said.  But when you think about it, the how and why of  someone from such a distant place (in those days) finding our little Marano villages to settle in is really intriguing. 

                                                       

                                                      The point is, our Calabrian roots may consist of any number of ethnic backgrounds and yes, to some it may not matter.  Personally, I am curious.  I do think it would tell us a lot to know how our Calabrian ancestors got to where they were (in this case MM and MP) and how some migrated to where we are now - USA, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, etc.  I thought it was a given that the Marano Families group members with direct lines originating from both Marano Marchesato and Marano Principato, and perhaps Rende or other relavent towns, would test - if we even ever got to that point. We have a unique chance to map our towns' evolution.   

                                                       

                                                      I'm glad you would consider the idea.

                                                       

                                                      Rose

                                                       

                                                       , 11/12/08, Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@uwm. edu> wrote:

                                                      From: Michael E. Rolland <mrolland@uwm. edu>


                                                      Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                                      To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com

                                                      Cc: "michael e rolland" <michael.e.rolland@ gmail.com>
                                                      Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:04 AM

                                                       

                                                      Just another thought on people moving in the past from "foreign countries" to southern Italy . While this is certainly possible, I'd like to propose another possibility:

                                                      The term foreign country, abroad, or "estero" in Italian has a very fluid meaning. Even today, people in southern villages (like our own) will say that certain relatives emigrated "all'estero" , but what they really mean is that they went to some other part of Italy, probably the north -- Turin, Milan, etc. So I wouldn't automatically assume that the local history, which recounts that this other family came from "another country", means that they were from outside Italy . They may have been Sicilians or Neapolitans, but any time more than 50 years ago, that may as well have been Mars!, Also remember, that if they came before 1860, other parts of Italy really *were* other countries!

                                                      Further, one can often tell from Italian surnames where in the peninsula (roughly) one's ancestors originated. So if these people moved to Marano and had a surname that was very identifiably northern, or Sicilian, or Tuscan, etc., they may have wanted to change it to seem less "foreign."

                                                      Obviously there have been waves of immigration to southern Italy throughout history; I really think we're one of the most genetically mixed peoples in Europe . The area has seen incursions or periods of rule by the ancient Greeks, the Romans, Byzantine Greeks, Arabs, the Norman French, the Spanish, Austrians, etc. There have also been waves of refugees from Albania , and many other small and individual migrations. It would be interesting but almost impossible to know where all of our ancestors came from. Further, more than three or four generations down the line, what much does it matter? Just as we now are Americans, Canadians, Argentinians, etc., our Italian ancestors, when they emigrated, were Calabresi; their ancestry was probably nothing more than a curiosity for them.

                                                      Genetics may be the best way to go about determining these distant origins, but the best way would probably be to test individuals whose heritage is strictly Maranese, or at least strictly Calabrese;
                                                      otherwise, it might be hard to tell the Calabrese parts from all the rest. I, for one, am half Calabrese, all concentrated in the same small area (M. Principato, M. Marchesato, Rende, and Cerisano), but my other half is a wild mix of central European nationalities. To know much about the Italian side, I would have to convince my mother to do the test, as she is "pure" Cosentina.
                                                      Still, it would be interesting! I for one wouldn't mind the cost, as long as it wasn't ridiculous. I think such analyses can be done now for around $100?

                                                      Food for thought.

                                                      Best,

                                                      - Michael

                                                      --
                                                      Michael E. Rolland
                                                      5742 Ridgecrest Dr .
                                                      Racine WI 53403-9758
                                                      +1.262.412.0194
                                                      mrolland@uwm. edu
                                                      michael.e.rolland@ gmail.com

                                                      ----- Mensaje original -----
                                                      De: "rose pennington" <rose1ro@yahoo. com>
                                                      Para : maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      Enviados: Miércoles, 12 de Noviembre 2008 0:50:24 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlín / Berna / Roma / Estocolmo / Viena
                                                      Asunto: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                                      A belated welcome to you, Mark. 
                                                       
                                                      Rosemarie, your comment makes total sense in a broad spectrum line of thinking.  But it also brings to mind two other thoughts. 
                                                       
                                                      One, is that a cousin of mine was visiting Marano Principato, and while viewing family names at the local cemetery was told by family members who still live in the area that one particular group "residing" at the cemetery with the same surname as ours were actually not related to us; that they were another family who had come to Marano P. from a foreign country and had taken a local name "to fit in better."  Has anyone in the group ever heard a similar  story?  Could it, indeed, be based on fact?  And if so, how many other families may there be like that?
                                                       
                                                      The second thing is this, and is similar to the thinking about the Greco family originating in Greece ; I recall asking my father many years ago a question regarding his Cairo cousins - did their surname mean that they originally came from, you guessed it - Cairo ?  It was a puzzling thought.  He said he didn't know.  Anyone know, other than the obvious, about the origin of that surname?  Just curious.
                                                       
                                                      Just imagine what answers for our group could found with DNA analysis!  We may have a great group for an ancestral research project at some point.  What would you think, Lisa - and everyone, if it somehow wouldn't be cost-prohibitive?
                                                       
                                                      Rose 

                                                      --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                                      From: Rosemarie Guadnolo <rguadnolo@yahoo. com>
                                                      Subject: Re: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi
                                                      To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:37 AM

                                                      If your name is Greco, it probably means that you are of greek origin.

                                                      From: Andalite200 <andalite200@ yahoo.com>
                                                      To: maranofamilies@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:14:55 AM
                                                      Subject: [maranofamilies] ciao cugini! Hi

                                                      Hi

                                                      My name is Mark, I'm a new member
                                                      My Italian side is from my mother and the Maranesi are my grandmother' s people. My
                                                      great-grandparents from Marano Marchesato, my maternal grandmother' s parents, were
                                                      Amedeo Greco and Filomena De Bartolo. Filomena's parents were Ferdinando De Bartolo
                                                      and Theresa Volpentesta.

                                                      And Amedeo's family was from Rende, which I gather is nearby to Marano? His parents
                                                      were Michaelangelo Greco (ha, that side of the family have always been artists!) and
                                                      Constantina Greco.. I will get Constantina' s maiden name when I go home and look at the
                                                      papers. I am from the Chicago area and so is my mother's family.. both my parents live
                                                      near Chicago but I am going to school up North, here in Wisconsin, where my father's
                                                      family is, and they're not Italian at all, hah.

                                                      I hope that establishes my connections and I devoutly hope I am related to some of you!
                                                      There was also a belief that the Greco side from Rende ultimately had French origins or
                                                      French blood.. don't know how true that is. I came on this site to learn everything I could
                                                      about the traditional ways and traditional recipes, as well as about Marano itself. While I
                                                      recognize some of the recipes, others I don't know of. I'd particularly like the original
                                                      recipe for pittiched or pittuliddi, a kind of fried bread. We have lost that recipe and now
                                                      make them out of Rhodes bread dough, unfortunately. There may be some cousins that
                                                      have the original one and I'll talk to them, but wanted to come here first.. and if anyone
                                                      has any info on that or on Marano, I'd be appreciative.

                                                      My grandma also said that her father's mother- Theresa Volpentesta - had relatives who
                                                      emigrated to South America, which she would visit from Italy, and one of the children was
                                                      born on the ship going back to Italy.. would anyone know anything else about this?

                                                      Thanks
                                                      you guys are awesome
                                                      sincerely
                                                      Mark
                                                      xoxoxo
                                                      baci a tutti

                                                       




                                                      --
                                                      Nuccia
                                                      http://www.gentedim aregenealogy. com
                                                      http://www.calabria exchange. com
                                                      "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one"

                                                       

                                                    • Daniel Edgardo Espesir
                                                      Sorry if what I told you is of not significance. I read mails without continuity, but about Lisa referred I want to tell you that Italian was a concept not
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                                                        Sorry if what I told you is of not significance. I read mails without continuity, but about Lisa referred I want to tell you that "Italian" was a concept not present in immigrants in the days of the end of 19th century or beginnings of 20th.
                                                        In those days, near of the "Risorgimento", those peoples of actual Italy can´t even talk each others. I remember a historical article what affirmed that people of, e.g. Venezia and of Calabria used Spanish here to talk, because they hadn´t a common language.
                                                        Even in the ´60s, Pier Paolo Passolini wrote poems in dialect (I think in a Friulani dialect) as a living language.
                                                         
                                                        Sorry if I talk out of a question.
                                                         
                                                        Daniel Espesir, Argentina


                                                        --- El vie 14-nov-08, Lisa Perkins <LPRoots@...> escribió:
                                                        De: Lisa Perkins <LPRoots@...>
                                                        Asunto: [maranofamilies] "Foreigners"
                                                        Para: maranofamilies@yahoogroups.com
                                                        Fecha: viernes, 14 de noviembre de 2008, 12:40 am

                                                        Some comments on origins and who was considered a foreigner:
                                                         
                                                        When I was little my mom told me that my grandpa Basile had some French in him.  (kind of makes sense).  I also heard that one line of my family ended up in Marano because someone had to flee their town in the north because they slit the throat of their business partner.  I also heard that another family line came from the north because we were really Jewish and fleeing from persecution.  Alas, I have yet to prove any of the stories... 
                                                         
                                                        More recently my great Uncle (after emmigrating to Chicago) married a girl who emmigrated from Naples.  Supposedly the relatives always referred to my Uncle's wife as "the Napolitan", but I was too young to have ever noticed this.  It was all "Italian" to me...
                                                         
                                                        Lisa




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