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What's the future for Jazz

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  • john.morgansnet
    Jazz has had a great impact on music everywhere. The great players, like Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald are still household names. I find myself listening
    Message 1 of 21 , Jun 1, 2008
      Jazz has had a great impact on music everywhere. The great players,
      like Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald are still household names. I
      find myself listening to music by these artists, or to their music
      being sung by younger artists. But where's the new stuff?

      I know there are talented people out there writing and performing
      Jazz, but they're almost unknown outside a small fraternity who enjoy
      their music.

      So what do you think, out there. Has Jazz had its day? is it now
      reduced to a speciality audience? Or will it rise again to become the
      force it once was?

      Any opinions?

      John
    • Brandon Van Every
      ... Did it work its way into popular music sufficiently that there s not much reason for the public to regard it separately for its own sake anymore? Cheers,
      Message 2 of 21 , Jun 1, 2008
        On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, john.morgansnet <john@...> wrote:
        >
        > So what do you think, out there. Has Jazz had its day? is it now
        > reduced to a speciality audience? Or will it rise again to become the
        > force it once was?

        Did it work its way into popular music sufficiently that there's not
        much reason for the public to regard it separately for its own sake
        anymore?


        Cheers,
        Brandon Van Every
      • Manuel Marino
        Wait - The Downloads Cost More Than DVDs? British customers will be able to
        Message 3 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008

          Wait - The Downloads Cost More Than DVDs? "British customers will be able to buy films from Apple's iTunes website, in a move that is expected breathe new life into the digital download market. From today, Britons will be able to download new release films from iTunes for £10.99 - about £1 more expensive than buying a DVD version on Amazon." The Times (UK) 06/04/08

        • Manuel Marino
          Scotland Yard Seizes Millions In Cash, Art A British law enforcement raid on thousands of safe deposit boxes
          Message 4 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008

            Scotland Yard Seizes Millions In Cash, Art A British law enforcement raid on thousands of safe deposit boxes has yielded several important works of Renaissance art, part of a much larger trove of cash and valuables said to be tied to organized crime. The Guardian (UK) 06/05/08

          • Manuel Marino
            Drunk Driver On Trial For Killing Two Oregon Musicians A trial has begun for the Oregon woman charged in the
            Message 5 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008

              Drunk Driver On Trial For Killing Two Oregon Musicians A trial has begun for the Oregon woman charged in the deaths of two members of the Eugene Symphony last year. "Fivea Sharipoff, 26, at left, is charged with manslaughter, assault and driving under the influence after a wrong-way crash on Interstate 5 last year." KVAL (Eugene, OR) 06/04/08

            • Manuel Marino
              The Art Of A Good Complaint The art of complaining is very hard to
              Message 6 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008

                The Art Of A Good Complaint "The art of complaining is very hard to master. To complain about things in my experience is always lowering. Who wants to draw attention to the fact you have been slighted? Isn't that in itself a form of failure? Complaining stylishly and with grace and/or flair seems virtually impossible. A good complaint requires both a lightness of tone and high-handedness, humour, collusion from the other party and a quiet tenacity. This is a lot to muster when you've just been disappointed." Financial Times (UK) 06/01/08

              • Manuel Marino
                Looking For Meaning In Poetry So why does poetry
                Message 7 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008

                  Looking For Meaning In Poetry "So why does poetry matter? One reason is that many people still enjoy some sorts of poetry. The one sort they have never liked is the sort they are told to like." The Independent (UK) 06/03/08

                • Manuel Marino
                  Ten World Problems That Can Be Fixed Eight leading economists, including five Nobelists, were asked to prioritize 30
                  Message 8 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008

                    Ten World Problems That Can Be Fixed "Eight leading economists, including five Nobelists, were asked to prioritize 30 different proposed solutions to ten of the world's biggest problems. The proposed solutions were developed by more than 50 specialist scholars over the past two years and were presented as reports to the panel over the past week." Reason 06/01/08

                     

                  • Manuel Marino
                    A Future In Which Technology Will Fix Everything Ray Kurzweil sees
                    Message 9 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008

                      A Future In Which Technology Will Fix Everything Ray Kurzweil "sees biology, medicine, energy and other fields being revolutionized by information technology. His graphs already show the beginning of exponential progress in nanotechnology, in the ease of gene sequencing, in the resolution of brain scans. With these new tools, he says, by the 2020s we'll be adding computers to our brains and building machines as smart as ourselves." The New York Times 06/02/08

                    • Manuel Marino
                      When The Recording Company Is Your Agent Too (Oh, Oh!) So
                      Message 10 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008

                        When The Recording Company Is Your Agent Too (Oh, Oh!) So Universal wants to be both the recording company and the artist manager. But "it is worrisome for presenters and management to be the same. Managers always think they're the artist. They think they own the artist, which they don't. They work for the artist. The artist has free choice. The artist can leave. The commercial interests want the stadium appearances, the glamour. They don't want the artist to do what the artist does." Wall Street Journal 06/03/08

                         

                      • Manuel Marino
                        The Decline Of Radio? Just when radio cries out for creative revival,
                        Message 11 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008

                          The Decline Of Radio? "Just when radio cries out for creative revival, it is instead slipping into a disgruntled decline. Today, hardly anyone turns on the radio expecting to be lured into intimate obsessions with voices that return each night, baring their souls and insisting on a relationship with the listener." Washington Post 06/03/08

                           

                        • Manuel Marino
                          Looking At Those Can t-Quite-Remember Moments It s estimated that, on average,
                          Message 12 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008

                            Looking At Those Can't-Quite-Remember Moments "It's estimated that, on average, people have a tip-of-the-tongue moment at least once a week. Perhaps it occurs when you run into an old acquaintance whose name you can't remember, although you know that it begins with the letter 'T.' Or perhaps you struggle to recall the title of a recent movie, even though you can describe the plot in perfect detail. Researchers have located the specific brain areas that are activated during such moments." Boston Globe 06/01/08

                          • Erick Behymer
                            I still prefer to preview the movie before I decide if it s worth purchasing. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Manuel Marino ...
                            Message 13 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008
                              I still prefer to preview the movie before I decide if it's worth purchasing.

                              On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Manuel Marino <manuelmarino@...> wrote:

                              Wait - The Downloads Cost More Than DVDs? "British customers will be able to buy films from Apple's iTunes website, in a move that is expected breathe new life into the digital download market. From today, Britons will be able to download new release films from iTunes for £10.99 - about £1 more expensive than buying a DVD version on Amazon." The Times (UK) 06/04/08


                            • Erick Behymer
                              Sounds like conflict of interest/racketeering. I don t think anyone would be dumb enough to try it, but I wonder who the record company would sue if the
                              Message 14 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008
                                Sounds like conflict of interest/racketeering.  I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to try it, but I wonder who the record company would sue if the artist began releasing so-called "pirated" copies of their own work online.  Stupid thought, yes, but I'm half awake at the moment and the idea makes me giggle on the inside.

                                On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Manuel Marino <manuelmarino@...> wrote:

                                When The Recording Company Is Your Agent Too (Oh, Oh!) So Universal wants to be both the recording company and the artist manager. But "it is worrisome for presenters and management to be the same. Managers always think they're the artist. They think they own the artist, which they don't. They work for the artist. The artist has free choice. The artist can leave. The commercial interests want the stadium appearances, the glamour. They don't want the artist to do what the artist does." Wall Street Journal 06/03/08

                                 


                              • Bubblemum
                                Oh rly? Lol- then check out these videos- the first is about someone who keeps changing herself to be Batter , the second about the joys of having a pill
                                Message 15 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008
                                  Oh rly?  Lol- then check out these videos- the first is about someone who keeps changing herself to be "Batter", the second about the "joys" of having a pill to fix everything.
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                  JoAnn in VA
                                • hanseverling
                                  Does that mean that you first want to watch it for free and then you want to decide if you re gonna pay to see it a second time...? :-) People should pay for
                                  Message 16 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008
                                    Does that mean that you first want to watch it for free and then you
                                    want to decide if you're gonna pay to see it a second time...? :-)

                                    People should pay for content. Period. BUT if the industry thinks that
                                    giving people less (downloads) and charging them more (than the DVD)
                                    will be the solution to the industry's problems, they might be wrong...

                                    --- In manuelmarino@yahoogroups.com, "Erick Behymer" <idbeholda@...>
                                    wrote:
                                    >
                                    > I still prefer to preview the movie before I decide if it's worth
                                    > purchasing.
                                    >
                                    > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Manuel Marino <manuelmarino@...>
                                    > wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > *Wait - The Downloads Cost More Than
                                    DVDs?*<http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4065393.ece>"British
                                    customers will be able to buy films from Apple's iTunes website, in
                                    > > a move that is expected breathe new life into the digital download
                                    market.
                                    > > From today, Britons will be able to download new release films
                                    from iTunes
                                    > > for £10.99 - about £1 more expensive than buying a DVD version on
                                    Amazon." The
                                    > > Times (UK) 06/04/08
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                  • Brandon Van Every
                                    ... It s only less if everyone values things the same way. People may value convenience over permanency. Interesting market experiment. Cheers, Brandon Van
                                    Message 17 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008
                                      On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:35 AM, hanseverling <hans@...> wrote:
                                      > BUT if the industry thinks that
                                      > giving people less (downloads) and charging them more (than the DVD)
                                      > will be the solution to the industry's problems, they might be wrong...

                                      It's only "less" if everyone values things the same way. People may
                                      value convenience over permanency. Interesting market experiment.


                                      Cheers,
                                      Brandon Van Every
                                    • Brandon Van Every
                                      On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Manuel Marino ... Not having read the article, I don t know if the British are more averse to complaining than Americans are.
                                      Message 18 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008
                                        On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Manuel Marino
                                        <manuelmarino@...> wrote:
                                        > The Art Of A Good Complaint "The art of complaining is very hard to master.
                                        > To complain about things in my experience is always lowering. Who wants to
                                        > draw attention to the fact you have been slighted? Isn't that in itself a
                                        > form of failure? Complaining stylishly and with grace and/or flair seems
                                        > virtually impossible. A good complaint requires both a lightness of tone and
                                        > high-handedness, humour, collusion from the other party and a quiet
                                        > tenacity. This is a lot to muster when you've just been disappointed."
                                        > Financial Times (UK) 06/01/08

                                        Not having read the article, I don't know if the British are more
                                        averse to complaining than Americans are. Having lived there, it
                                        wouldn't shock me. I've seen articles on "how to complain" at various
                                        times in the past. I am sure that the willingness to complain,
                                        loudly, is an aspect of personality. I am the one in the crowd who
                                        does. I remember a German couple on an airplane to Geneva, with a
                                        bevy of rampaging children they had never seen fit to discipline in
                                        their lives. The Swiss were too polite or withdrawn to say anything
                                        about them. So finally, I stopped the 3 year old boy that was running
                                        up and down the aisles, and said, "Young man, we don't mind if you
                                        run, just please run *quietly*." And my God, it worked. All it took
                                        was someone willing to take responsibility for asking people to behave
                                        as they're supposed to behave.

                                        I think those of us who have no compunction about complaining, even
                                        quite aggressively so, become laywers, consumer advocates, and
                                        political activists. I've worn that 3rd hat in front of stores while
                                        signature gathering for ballot initiatives many a time, irritating
                                        store managers who didn't understand my legal right to do so. We may
                                        utilize diplomacy and polite but firm words as tools, but we simply
                                        don't care about stepping on other people's toes to get our way.
                                        People who fret about shame or impropriety, we regard as sheep. We
                                        are the wolves. If a waiter brings you bad food, then the chef better
                                        jolly well make you some good food, since that's what you paid him
                                        for. Only a sucker lets other people walk all over them, for fear of
                                        complaining.


                                        Cheers,
                                        Brandon Van Every
                                      • Brandon Van Every
                                        On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Manuel Marino ... I ve looked for poetry scenes in various cities merely to find people with brainpower. I ve written and
                                        Message 19 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008
                                          On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Manuel Marino
                                          <manuelmarino@...> wrote:
                                          > Looking For Meaning In Poetry "So why does poetry matter? One reason is that
                                          > many people still enjoy some sorts of poetry. The one sort they have never
                                          > liked is the sort they are told to like." The Independent (UK) 06/03/08

                                          I've looked for poetry scenes in various cities merely to find people
                                          with brainpower. I've written and performed exactly 1 poem in my
                                          life. It was a decent 1st performance as those things go, I was told.
                                          I did it from memory and had costume changes! But I knew I didn't
                                          have a lot of poetry in me. I don't like being a "groupie" as opposed
                                          to a core producer, so I drifted away from the poets. Now I'm in a
                                          new town and trying to locate the intelligensia again, so I will
                                          probably repeat the cycle.

                                          The problem with poetry is even they don't like to listen to each
                                          other's stuff. Or at least, they hate having to put up with the guy
                                          who drones on for 20 minutes babbling about nothing. But they take
                                          turns doing it, because they don't want anyone to boo when it's their
                                          turn in front of the open mike. Slam poetry contests are better
                                          because the competition forces people to be more entertaining. Of
                                          course, it's not as free in artistic exploration, there isn't as much
                                          room for self-indulgence.


                                          Cheers,
                                          Brandon Van Every
                                        • Erick Behymer
                                          I suppose that s one way of looking at it, however, if I buy something, I watch it more than twice anyways. I just don t want to risk purchasing something
                                          Message 20 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008
                                            I suppose that's one way of looking at it, however, if I buy something, I watch it more than twice anyways.  I just don't want to risk purchasing something that later on turns out to be crap.

                                            On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:35 AM, hanseverling <hans@...> wrote:
                                            Does that mean that you first want to watch it for free and then you
                                            want to decide if you're gonna pay to see it a second time...? :-)

                                            People should pay for content. Period. BUT if the industry thinks that
                                             giving people less (downloads) and charging them more (than the DVD)
                                            will be the solution to the industry's problems, they might be wrong...

                                            --- In manuelmarino@yahoogroups.com, "Erick Behymer" <idbeholda@...>
                                            wrote:
                                            >
                                            > I still prefer to preview the movie before I decide if it's worth
                                            > purchasing.
                                            >
                                            > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Manuel Marino <manuelmarino@...>
                                            > wrote:
                                            >
                                            > >  *Wait - The Downloads Cost More Than
                                            DVDs?*<http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4065393.ece>"British
                                            customers will be able to buy films from Apple's iTunes website, in
                                            > > a move that is expected breathe new life into the digital download
                                            market.
                                            > > From today, Britons will be able to download new release films
                                            from iTunes
                                            > > for £10.99 - about £1 more expensive than buying a DVD version on
                                            Amazon." The
                                            > > Times (UK) 06/04/08
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            >



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                                          • john.morgansnet
                                            ... I think you ve got a point. Here in the UK the small market town of Brecon, in Wales, is swamped by a Jazz festival every August. It s very specialised
                                            Message 21 of 21 , Jun 5, 2008
                                              --- In manuelmarino@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon Van Every"
                                              <bvanevery@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, john.morgansnet <john@...> wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > So what do you think, out there. Has Jazz had its day? is it now
                                              > > reduced to a speciality audience? Or will it rise again to become the
                                              > > force it once was?
                                              >
                                              > Did it work its way into popular music sufficiently that there's not
                                              > much reason for the public to regard it separately for its own sake
                                              > anymore?
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Cheers,
                                              > Brandon Van Every
                                              >
                                              I think you've got a point. Here in the UK the small market town of
                                              Brecon, in Wales, is swamped by a Jazz festival every August. It's
                                              very specialised music for a very specialised audience, however it is
                                              growing.

                                              Jazz is far from dead, but not many of the musicians are known to
                                              "mainstream" audiences. Hence my question. Does Jazz have a future
                                              where it will grow in its own right?

                                              Pob Hwl
                                              John Morgan
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