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  • hostricity
    Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier. That s not what I want. I m looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a
    Message 1 of 27 , Feb 11, 2010
      Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.

      That's not what I want.

      I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.

      So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.

      Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on screen 1.

      Is anyone aware of software like this?

      Thanks,

      Geoff
    • Bas Cancrinus
      Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from www.aisquared.com and check out the dual monitor settings. - Bas ... -- Bas Cancrinus Mobile: +31 (0)6 50
      Message 2 of 27 , Feb 11, 2010
        Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from www.aisquared.com and
        check out the dual monitor settings.

        - Bas

        On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:01 PM, hostricity <geoffstaples@...>wrote:

        >
        >
        > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
        >
        > That's not what I want.
        >
        > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier on
        > screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
        >
        > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
        > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
        >
        > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on screen
        > 1.
        >
        > Is anyone aware of software like this?
        >
        > Thanks,
        >
        > Geoff
        >
        >
        >



        --
        Bas Cancrinus
        Mobile: +31 (0)6 50 24 57 56


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      • hostricity
        Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I m certainly interested in additional suggestions. Geoff
        Message 3 of 27 , Feb 11, 2010
          Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly interested in additional suggestions.

          Geoff

          --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@...> wrote:
          >
          > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from www.aisquared.com and
          > check out the dual monitor settings.
          >
          > - Bas
          >
        • davebrody2004
          You might want to try www.getwinzoom.com. Their high end magnifier is a lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
          Message 4 of 27 , Feb 12, 2010
            You might want to try www.getwinzoom.com. Their high end magnifier is a lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.

            --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
            >
            > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly interested in additional suggestions.
            >
            > Geoff
            >
            > --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from www.aisquared.com and
            > > check out the dual monitor settings.
            > >
            > > - Bas
            > >
            >
          • Shawn Warren
            Geoff, Don t waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want allows me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen
            Message 5 of 27 , Feb 12, 2010
              Geoff,

              Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
              me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
              screen 2"

              However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
              provide cheap magnificication.

              Shawn

              -----Original Message-----
              From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of davebrody2004
              Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
              To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
              second monitor

              You might want to try www.getwinzoom.com. Their high end magnifier is a
              lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.

              --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
              interested in additional suggestions.
              >
              > Geoff
              >
              > --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
              www.aisquared.com and
              > > check out the dual monitor settings.
              > >
              > > - Bas
              > >
              >

              -----Original Message-----
              From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of hostricity
              Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
              To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
              monitor

              Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.

              That's not what I want.

              I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
              on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.

              So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
              otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.

              Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
              screen 1.

              Is anyone aware of software like this?

              Thanks,

              Geoff
            • hostricity
              Thanks for the heads up. The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement. We don t need really high power magnification or a lot of
              Message 6 of 27 , Feb 19, 2010
                Thanks for the heads up.

                The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.

                We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.

                This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.

                He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.

                We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.

                Geoff

                --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@...> wrote:
                >
                > Geoff,
                >
                > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                > screen 2"
                >
                > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                > provide cheap magnificication.
                >
                > Shawn
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On
                > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                > second monitor
                >
                > You might want to try www.getwinzoom.com. Their high end magnifier is a
                > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                >
                > --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@>
                > wrote:
                > >
                > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                > interested in additional suggestions.
                > >
                > > Geoff
                > >
                > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                > www.aisquared.com and
                > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                > > >
                > > > - Bas
                > > >
                > >
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On
                > Behalf Of hostricity
                > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                > monitor
                >
                > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                >
                > That's not what I want.
                >
                > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                >
                > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                >
                > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                > screen 1.
                >
                > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                >
                > Thanks,
                >
                > Geoff
                >
              • Karey Carbaugh
                Geoff,   I m not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn t need a lot of
                Message 7 of 27 , Feb 21, 2010
                  Geoff,
                   
                  I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                   
                  Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                   
                  I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted person can look at the second screen
                  while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!


                  Thank you,
                  Have a Great Day!

                  Karey Carbaugh

                  --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:


                  From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
                  Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                  To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM


                   



                  Thanks for the heads up.

                  The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.

                  We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.

                  This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.

                  He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.

                  We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.

                  Geoff

                  --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
                  >
                  > Geoff,
                  >
                  > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                  > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                  > screen 2"
                  >
                  > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                  > provide cheap magnificication.
                  >
                  > Shawn
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com] On
                  > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                  > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                  > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                  > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                  > second monitor
                  >
                  > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                  > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                  >
                  > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                  > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                  > interested in additional suggestions.
                  > >
                  > > Geoff
                  > >
                  > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                  > www.aisquared. com and
                  > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                  > > >
                  > > > - Bas
                  > > >
                  > >
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com] On
                  > Behalf Of hostricity
                  > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                  > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                  > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                  > monitor
                  >
                  > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                  >
                  > That's not what I want.
                  >
                  > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                  > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                  >
                  > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                  > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                  >
                  > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                  > screen 1.
                  >
                  > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                  >
                  > Thanks,
                  >
                  > Geoff
                  >











                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                • mike butcher
                  interesting information thanks mike blackpool england cheers mick To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com From: kareycarbaugh@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010
                  Message 8 of 27 , Feb 22, 2010
                    interesting information thanks mike blackpool england

                    cheers mick





                    To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                    From: kareycarbaugh@...
                    Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:08:11 -0800
                    Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor





                    Geoff,

                    I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.

                    Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.

                    I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted person can look at the second screen
                    while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!

                    Thank you,
                    Have a Great Day!

                    Karey Carbaugh

                    --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:

                    From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
                    Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                    To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM



                    Thanks for the heads up.

                    The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.

                    We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.

                    This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.

                    He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.

                    We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.

                    Geoff

                    --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
                    >
                    > Geoff,
                    >
                    > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                    > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                    > screen 2"
                    >
                    > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                    > provide cheap magnificication.
                    >
                    > Shawn
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com] On
                    > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                    > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                    > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                    > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                    > second monitor
                    >
                    > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                    > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                    >
                    > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                    > wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                    > interested in additional suggestions.
                    > >
                    > > Geoff
                    > >
                    > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                    > www.aisquared. com and
                    > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                    > > >
                    > > > - Bas
                    > > >
                    > >
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com] On
                    > Behalf Of hostricity
                    > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                    > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                    > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                    > monitor
                    >
                    > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                    >
                    > That's not what I want.
                    >
                    > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                    > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                    >
                    > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                    > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                    >
                    > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                    > screen 1.
                    >
                    > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                    >
                    > Thanks,
                    >
                    > Geoff
                    >

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                  • T H
                    Hi Karey, what do you do for a living?  I am currently attending college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management.  I access most of my
                    Message 9 of 27 , Feb 22, 2010
                      Hi Karey, what do you do for a living?  I am currently attending college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management.  I access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and this has been a challenge for me.  I am constantly explaining my  low vision needs to people.  I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my situation.  I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day.  I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school.  How do I explain my situation to employers?

                      --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:


                      From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...>
                      Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                      To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM


                       



                      Geoff,
                       
                      I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                       
                      Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                       
                      I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted person can look at the second screen
                      while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!

                      Thank you,
                      Have a Great Day!

                      Karey Carbaugh

                      --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:

                      From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
                      Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                      To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                      Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM

                       

                      Thanks for the heads up.

                      The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.

                      We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.

                      This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.

                      He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.

                      We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.

                      Geoff

                      --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
                      >
                      > Geoff,
                      >
                      > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                      > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                      > screen 2"
                      >
                      > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                      > provide cheap magnificication.
                      >
                      > Shawn
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                      > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                      > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                      > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                      > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                      > second monitor
                      >
                      > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                      > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                      >
                      > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                      > interested in additional suggestions.
                      > >
                      > > Geoff
                      > >
                      > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                      > www.aisquared. com and
                      > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                      > > >
                      > > > - Bas
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                      > Behalf Of hostricity
                      > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                      > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                      > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                      > monitor
                      >
                      > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                      >
                      > That's not what I want.
                      >
                      > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                      > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                      >
                      > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                      > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                      >
                      > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                      > screen 1.
                      >
                      > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                      >
                      > Thanks,
                      >
                      > Geoff
                      >

                      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]











                      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    • hostricity
                      I m glad to know that works well for you. I ve talked to my friend and he is willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I m going to set up the demo for him.
                      Message 10 of 27 , Feb 22, 2010
                        I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and he is willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up the demo for him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.

                        I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless someone who has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work dual monitor as discussed here.

                        I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and they tell me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on the rest of the screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.

                        Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would work well.

                        As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets frustrated that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and focusing on that causes him to make typos and lose his train of thought.

                        I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have taken an interest will know what happened.

                        Geoff

                        --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Geoff,
                        >  
                        > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                        >  
                        > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                        >  
                        > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted person can look at the second screen
                        > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
                        >
                        >
                        > Thank you,
                        > Have a Great Day!
                        >
                        > Karey Carbaugh
                        >
                        > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
                        > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                        > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                        > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                        >
                        >
                        >  
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Thanks for the heads up.
                        >
                        > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                        >
                        > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.
                        >
                        > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
                        >
                        > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.
                        >
                        > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.
                        >
                        > Geoff
                        >
                        > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Geoff,
                        > >
                        > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                        > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                        > > screen 2"
                        > >
                        > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                        > > provide cheap magnificication.
                        > >
                        > > Shawn
                        > >
                        > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com] On
                        > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                        > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                        > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                        > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                        > > second monitor
                        > >
                        > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                        > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                        > >
                        > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                        > > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                        > > interested in additional suggestions.
                        > > >
                        > > > Geoff
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                        > > www.aisquared. com and
                        > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > - Bas
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com] On
                        > > Behalf Of hostricity
                        > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                        > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                        > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                        > > monitor
                        > >
                        > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                        > >
                        > > That's not what I want.
                        > >
                        > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                        > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                        > >
                        > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                        > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                        > >
                        > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                        > > screen 1.
                        > >
                        > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                        > >
                        > > Thanks,
                        > >
                        > > Geoff
                        > >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        >
                      • hostricity
                        T H. I hope you won t object to my jumping in here. I do not have low vision, but I have been around it a lot in my life. In high school in the 1960 s, I
                        Message 11 of 27 , Feb 22, 2010
                          T H.

                          I hope you won't object to my jumping in here. I do not have low vision, but I have been around it a lot in my life. In high school in the 1960's, I taught radio & tv repair in a sheltered workshop for Goodwill Industries. Some of those I worked with were low vision, some in wheelchairs, etc. In those days, we didn't have accessible buildings like we do now and the only technology was the magnifier Karey mentioned.

                          My father was chairman of the board of an agency that offered services to blind and low-vision clients. I used to read the newspaper on the air at our local public radio station - a service specifically for those whose vision didn't allow them to read the paper. I had to be at the station at 5AM Monday through Friday.

                          Later, as a college professor, I occasionally had low-vision students, worked with them in the classroom, and sometimes offered career counseling.

                          As long as you go out in public, you will have to explain your vision requirements to people. My experience is that most people are genuinely interested and concerned. They don't know what you can do for yourself, what you can't, where they can help, and what you can do for yourself if you can sit in the proper place in the room, or whatever.

                          The more you are out and about, the better you will get at dealing with your low-vision, the more habitual these actions will become, and you will find that people will sometimes ask you about what you are doing because you are so good at dealing with your low-vision that they find it fascinating.

                          I know it is tiring to have to explain things over and over, so try to remember that you are giving them an experience they have never had before and you are giving them the opportunity to be of service to you -- so that you can be productive and of service to others.

                          The extent to which you are comfortable with yourself is the extent to which you can educate those around you, draw them to you, make friends, and important career contacts. A character reference from a professor who has experienced your mental attitude, motivation, your mastery of the subject matter, and your creativity and intelligence goes a long way in getting a job.

                          It really isn't any different for you than for anyone else. You may have a steeper road to climb, but ultimately, all of us look for the same things in our friends, acquaintances, and fellow workers and those things have nothing to do with low-vision -- although, sometimes you have to help those around you discover that fact.

                          As for career and employers: I suggest that you examine your interests, your capabilities, and your studies with a career counselor. A good career counselor can help you focus on particular career areas where your vision will not affect your ability to do the job -- and equally important - in an area where there's high demand for talented people.

                          Most employers know that someone like you wouldn't have bothered with getting an education and pursuing a career unless you were highly motivated and that counts for a lot.

                          In my experience as an employer, I've found that those who have overcome adversity to get to the point where they can creditably present themselves as a qualified applicant often more than make up for any deficits through determination and become some of the most productive employees in a business.

                          As for explaining it to employers: You should be familiar with the work to be done and the work environment so that you can quickly and easily explain to them how your low-vision will impact your duties and responsibilities.

                          An employer wants to know that you can do the job and do it without being disruptive of other workers. They also want to see that you are well-adjusted and will be a pleasant and helpful co-worker, that you will fit-in and that your co-workers will be happy to have you as a co-worker.

                          You don't need to go into elaborate detail, but if you have devices you use, the employer may enjoy having you demonstrate for them how you use them - But be careful here. People who have not experienced low-vision will sometimes have an exaggerated impression of the difficulties you face and showing them your equipment may only cause them to believe you can't do the work.

                          I hope the above is helpful to you.

                          Geoff

                          --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, T H <mrstish05@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi Karey, what do you do for a living?  I am currently attending college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management.  I access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and this has been a challenge for me.  I am constantly explaining my  low vision needs to people.  I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my situation.  I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day.  I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school.  How do I explain my situation to employers?
                          >
                          > --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...>
                          > Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                          > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                          > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
                          >
                          >
                          >  
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Geoff,
                          >  
                          > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                          >  
                          > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                          >  
                          > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted person can look at the second screen
                          > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
                          >
                          > Thank you,
                          > Have a Great Day!
                          >
                          > Karey Carbaugh
                          >
                          > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
                          >
                          > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
                          > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                          > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                          > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                          >
                          >  
                          >
                          > Thanks for the heads up.
                          >
                          > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                          >
                          > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.
                          >
                          > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
                          >
                          > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.
                          >
                          > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.
                          >
                          > Geoff
                          >
                          > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Geoff,
                          > >
                          > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                          > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                          > > screen 2"
                          > >
                          > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                          > > provide cheap magnificication.
                          > >
                          > > Shawn
                          > >
                          > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                          > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                          > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                          > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                          > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                          > > second monitor
                          > >
                          > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                          > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                          > >
                          > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                          > > interested in additional suggestions.
                          > > >
                          > > > Geoff
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                          > > www.aisquared. com and
                          > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > - Bas
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                          > > Behalf Of hostricity
                          > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                          > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                          > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                          > > monitor
                          > >
                          > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                          > >
                          > > That's not what I want.
                          > >
                          > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                          > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                          > >
                          > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                          > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                          > >
                          > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                          > > screen 1.
                          > >
                          > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                          > >
                          > > Thanks,
                          > >
                          > > Geoff
                          > >
                          >
                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          >
                        • Karey Carbaugh
                          Thanks Geoff,   I guess I ve been using ZoomText on a single screen for so long that I can t understand the difficulty with losing the natural flow on a
                          Message 12 of 27 , Feb 23, 2010
                            Thanks Geoff,
                             
                            I guess I've been using ZoomText on a single screen for so long that I can't understand the difficulty with losing the "natural flow" on a screen.  After 25+ years of using ZoomText, and other products before ZoomText came out including a CCTV with a cable that plugged into my PC back in the 80's, my "natural flow" is clearly using magnification on a single monitor.  I remember being very excited when I no longer had to put my strong magnifier lenses on and litteerally rub my nose on the screen to read it while I was in college.  They found an old CRT terminal that had dual pitch characters, so you could make the letters twice as big.  This wasn't big enough, but cut down the strain a lot.
                             
                            If your friend only needs about 2X magnification, ZoomText has a product that I think they now call ZoomText Lite which has lower magnification and is less expensive.  I don't know if it has the dual monitor capability or ot, but I would still guess that once your friend gets used to using the magnification it will be easier to use it on 1 monitor.  To me, looking back and forth would be slower, but maybe its all in what you get used to.
                             
                            I presume you have already tried the normal font size enhancements in Windows?  This also might work for the lower magnification needs, especially with a very large display, like say a 20-inch or even a 27 inch display.  I'm just thinking of options which might be more cost-effective for him.


                            Thank you,
                            Have a Great Day!

                            Karey Carbaugh

                            --- On Mon, 2/22/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:


                            From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
                            Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                            To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:42 PM


                             



                            I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and he is willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up the demo for him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.

                            I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless someone who has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work dual monitor as discussed here.

                            I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and they tell me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on the rest of the screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.

                            Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would work well.

                            As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets frustrated that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and focusing on that causes him to make typos and lose his train of thought.

                            I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have taken an interest will know what happened.

                            Geoff

                            --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Geoff,
                            >  
                            > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                            >  
                            > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                            >  
                            > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted person can look at the
                            second screen
                            > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
                            >
                            >
                            > Thank you,
                            > Have a Great Day!
                            >
                            > Karey Carbaugh
                            >
                            > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...>
                            > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                            > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                            > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                            >
                            >
                            >  
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Thanks for the heads up.
                            >
                            > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                            >
                            > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.
                            >
                            > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
                            >
                            > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.
                            >
                            > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.
                            >
                            > Geoff
                            >
                            > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Geoff,
                            > >
                            > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                            > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                            > > screen 2"
                            > >
                            > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                            > > provide cheap magnificication.
                            > >
                            > > Shawn
                            > >
                            > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                            > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                            > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                            > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                            > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                            > > second monitor
                            > >
                            > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                            > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                            > >
                            > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                            > > wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                            > > interested in additional suggestions.
                            > > >
                            > > > Geoff
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                            > > www.aisquared. com and
                            > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > - Bas
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                            > > Behalf Of hostricity
                            > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                            > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                            > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                            > > monitor
                            > >
                            > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                            > >
                            > > That's not what I want.
                            > >
                            > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                            > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                            > >
                            > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                            > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                            > >
                            > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                            > > screen 1.
                            > >
                            > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                            > >
                            > > Thanks,
                            > >
                            > > Geoff
                            > >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            >











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                          • Karey Carbaugh
                            Very, very well said Geoff!   T H, I m sorry I didn t see your note sooner and will respond with some details.  I am an Applications Programmer at a
                            Message 13 of 27 , Feb 23, 2010
                              Very, very well said Geoff!
                               
                              T H, I'm sorry I didn't see your note sooner and will respond with some details.  I am an Applications Programmer at a Community College.  I was a programmer at IBM for 17 years, until I was caught up in a lay-off.
                               
                              I started a much more detailed response to you, and will do so tonight, but was interrupted here at work and lost my previous response.  So, look for some other ideas and suggestions tonight.


                              Thank you,
                              Have a Great Day!

                              Karey Carbaugh

                              --- On Mon, 2/22/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:


                              From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
                              Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                              To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 3:27 PM


                               





                              T H.

                              I hope you won't object to my jumping in here. I do not have low vision, but I have been around it a lot in my life. In high school in the 1960's, I taught radio & tv repair in a sheltered workshop for Goodwill Industries. Some of those I worked with were low vision, some in wheelchairs, etc. In those days, we didn't have accessible buildings like we do now and the only technology was the magnifier Karey mentioned.

                              My father was chairman of the board of an agency that offered services to blind and low-vision clients. I used to read the newspaper on the air at our local public radio station - a service specifically for those whose vision didn't allow them to read the paper. I had to be at the station at 5AM Monday through Friday.

                              Later, as a college professor, I occasionally had low-vision students, worked with them in the classroom, and sometimes offered career counseling.

                              As long as you go out in public, you will have to explain your vision requirements to people. My experience is that most people are genuinely interested and concerned. They don't know what you can do for yourself, what you can't, where they can help, and what you can do for yourself if you can sit in the proper place in the room, or whatever.

                              The more you are out and about, the better you will get at dealing with your low-vision, the more habitual these actions will become, and you will find that people will sometimes ask you about what you are doing because you are so good at dealing with your low-vision that they find it fascinating.

                              I know it is tiring to have to explain things over and over, so try to remember that you are giving them an experience they have never had before and you are giving them the opportunity to be of service to you -- so that you can be productive and of service to others.

                              The extent to which you are comfortable with yourself is the extent to which you can educate those around you, draw them to you, make friends, and important career contacts. A character reference from a professor who has experienced your mental attitude, motivation, your mastery of the subject matter, and your creativity and intelligence goes a long way in getting a job.

                              It really isn't any different for you than for anyone else. You may have a steeper road to climb, but ultimately, all of us look for the same things in our friends, acquaintances, and fellow workers and those things have nothing to do with low-vision -- although, sometimes you have to help those around you discover that fact.

                              As for career and employers: I suggest that you examine your interests, your capabilities, and your studies with a career counselor. A good career counselor can help you focus on particular career areas where your vision will not affect your ability to do the job -- and equally important - in an area where there's high demand for talented people.

                              Most employers know that someone like you wouldn't have bothered with getting an education and pursuing a career unless you were highly motivated and that counts for a lot.

                              In my experience as an employer, I've found that those who have overcome adversity to get to the point where they can creditably present themselves as a qualified applicant often more than make up for any deficits through determination and become some of the most productive employees in a business.

                              As for explaining it to employers: You should be familiar with the work to be done and the work environment so that you can quickly and easily explain to them how your low-vision will impact your duties and responsibilities.

                              An employer wants to know that you can do the job and do it without being disruptive of other workers. They also want to see that you are well-adjusted and will be a pleasant and helpful co-worker, that you will fit-in and that your co-workers will be happy to have you as a co-worker.

                              You don't need to go into elaborate detail, but if you have devices you use, the employer may enjoy having you demonstrate for them how you use them - But be careful here. People who have not experienced low-vision will sometimes have an exaggerated impression of the difficulties you face and showing them your equipment may only cause them to believe you can't do the work.

                              I hope the above is helpful to you.

                              Geoff

                              --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, T H <mrstish05@. ..> wrote:
                              >
                              > Hi Karey, what do you do for a living?  I am currently attending college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management.  I access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and this has been a challenge for me.  I am constantly explaining my  low vision needs to people.  I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my situation.  I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day.  I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school.  How do I explain my situation to employers?
                              >
                              > --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              > From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...>
                              > Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                              > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                              > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
                              >
                              >
                              >  
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Geoff,
                              >  
                              > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                              >  
                              > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                              >  
                              > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted person can look at the
                              second screen
                              > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
                              >
                              > Thank you,
                              > Have a Great Day!
                              >
                              > Karey Carbaugh
                              >
                              > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
                              >
                              > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
                              > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                              > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                              > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                              >
                              >  
                              >
                              > Thanks for the heads up.
                              >
                              > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                              >
                              > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.
                              >
                              > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
                              >
                              > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.
                              >
                              > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.
                              >
                              > Geoff
                              >
                              > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Geoff,
                              > >
                              > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                              > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                              > > screen 2"
                              > >
                              > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                              > > provide cheap magnificication.
                              > >
                              > > Shawn
                              > >
                              > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                              > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                              > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                              > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                              > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                              > > second monitor
                              > >
                              > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                              > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                              > >
                              > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                              > > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                              > > interested in additional suggestions.
                              > > >
                              > > > Geoff
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                              > > www.aisquared. com and
                              > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > - Bas
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                              > > Behalf Of hostricity
                              > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                              > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                              > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                              > > monitor
                              > >
                              > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                              > >
                              > > That's not what I want.
                              > >
                              > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                              > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                              > >
                              > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                              > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                              > >
                              > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                              > > screen 1.
                              > >
                              > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                              > >
                              > > Thanks,
                              > >
                              > > Geoff
                              > >
                              >
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                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
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                            • Karey Carbaugh
                              Groff,   As I was reading your e-mail earlier, I remembered something that might be of help.  I ve never used this, but ZoomText has the ability to
                              Message 14 of 27 , Feb 23, 2010
                                Groff,
                                 
                                As I was reading your e-mail earlier, I remembered something that might be of help.  I've never used this, but ZoomText has the ability to litterally place a magnifier over the screen you're on.  Using the ctrl+shift+z hotkey combination, you can change the Window Type in ZoomText.  By default, this is set to full-screen, but you might also want to check out the Overlay (which enlarges what is around the mouse pointer in a "box" on top of the full, un-enlarged screen, or Line which enlarges a whole line surrounding what the mouse is pointing to.  These might enable your friend to not have to have a second monitor if he is only using 2x magnification.
                                 
                                This is just a thought that I had.  I couldn't remember even what product I had seen this in, but it happens to be ZoomText.  I just never have used it myself.
                                 
                                I hope this helps.  At least you can check it out in the Trial version.  Again, I don't know if ZoomText Lite has this feature or not.


                                Thank you,
                                Have a Great Day!

                                Karey Carbaugh

                                --- On Mon, 2/22/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:


                                From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
                                Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:42 PM


                                 



                                I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and he is willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up the demo for him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.

                                I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless someone who has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work dual monitor as discussed here.

                                I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and they tell me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on the rest of the screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.

                                Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would work well.

                                As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets frustrated that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and focusing on that causes him to make typos and lose his train of thought.

                                I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have taken an interest will know what happened.

                                Geoff

                                --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Geoff,
                                >  
                                > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                                >  
                                > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                                >  
                                > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted person can look at the
                                second screen
                                > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
                                >
                                >
                                > Thank you,
                                > Have a Great Day!
                                >
                                > Karey Carbaugh
                                >
                                > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...> wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...>
                                > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                                >
                                >
                                >  
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Thanks for the heads up.
                                >
                                > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                                >
                                > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.
                                >
                                > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
                                >
                                > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.
                                >
                                > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.
                                >
                                > Geoff
                                >
                                > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Geoff,
                                > >
                                > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                                > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                                > > screen 2"
                                > >
                                > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                                > > provide cheap magnificication.
                                > >
                                > > Shawn
                                > >
                                > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                > > second monitor
                                > >
                                > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                                > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                > >
                                > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                > > wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                                > > interested in additional suggestions.
                                > > >
                                > > > Geoff
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                > > www.aisquared. com and
                                > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > - Bas
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                > > Behalf Of hostricity
                                > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                > > monitor
                                > >
                                > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                > >
                                > > That's not what I want.
                                > >
                                > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                                > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                > >
                                > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                                > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                > >
                                > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                                > > screen 1.
                                > >
                                > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                > >
                                > > Thanks,
                                > >
                                > > Geoff
                                > >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
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                              • Victoria Gaitanis
                                I was wondering if anyone else has problems with IZOOM using word processing? I m just demo-ing the software so maybe that s the issue - but it seems like
                                Message 15 of 27 , Feb 23, 2010
                                  I was wondering if anyone else has problems with IZOOM using word
                                  processing? I'm just demo-ing the software so maybe that's the issue - but
                                  it seems like Word runs a lot slower and the keyboard is way less responsive
                                  if I've got IZOOM up and running. I've also noticed that the words
                                  identified as misspelled by the red wavy lines are not very clear at all.
                                  Anyone have any ideas? I'm mainly trying to find screen magnification for
                                  my daughter who is low vision - something affordable but portable - so she
                                  can use any computer at school with it. Thanks!
                                  Vicky G

                                  On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:42 PM, hostricity <geoffstaples@...>wrote:

                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and he
                                  > is willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up the demo
                                  > for him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
                                  >
                                  > I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless someone
                                  > who has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work dual monitor
                                  > as discussed here.
                                  >
                                  > I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and they
                                  > tell me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on the rest
                                  > of the screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
                                  >
                                  > Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would work
                                  > well.
                                  >
                                  > As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets
                                  > frustrated that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and focusing on
                                  > that causes him to make typos and lose his train of thought.
                                  >
                                  > I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have taken an
                                  > interest will know what happened.
                                  >
                                  > Geoff
                                  >
                                  > --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>, Karey
                                  > Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Geoff,
                                  > > �
                                  > > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
                                  > magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
                                  > magnification.� They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use
                                  > on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                                  > > �
                                  > > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
                                  > Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this
                                  > list.
                                  > > �
                                  > > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work,
                                  > running ZoomText, last week.� I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility
                                  > and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and
                                  > the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged
                                  > "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act
                                  > as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both
                                  > screens.� I love the first and last options I've described above, and while
                                  > I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a
                                  > span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the
                                  > past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one
                                  > monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!� And, the 1x image along
                                  > with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with
                                  > me as the traner and as the trainee!� The sighted person can look at the
                                  > second screen
                                  > > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something
                                  > on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen
                                  > and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!� This is truely one of the best
                                  > things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Thank you,
                                  > > Have a Great Day!
                                  > >
                                  > > Karey Carbaugh
                                  > >
                                  > > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
                                  > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                  > monitor
                                  > > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > �
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Thanks for the heads up.
                                  > >
                                  > > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                                  > >
                                  > > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility.
                                  > 200% to 300% would be plenty.
                                  > >
                                  > > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but
                                  > needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
                                  > >
                                  > > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes
                                  > and needs an assist.
                                  > >
                                  > > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his
                                  > ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on
                                  > the second screen.
                                  > >
                                  > > Geoff
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Geoff,
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                                  > > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display
                                  > on
                                  > > > screen 2"
                                  > > >
                                  > > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                                  > > > provide cheap magnificication.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Shawn
                                  > > >
                                  > > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com]
                                  > On
                                  > > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                  > > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                  > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                  > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                  > > > second monitor
                                  > > >
                                  > > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is
                                  > a
                                  > > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                  > > > wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                                  > > > interested in additional suggestions.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Geoff
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                  > > > www.aisquared. com and
                                  > > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > - Bas
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com]
                                  > On
                                  > > > Behalf Of hostricity
                                  > > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                  > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                  > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                  > > > monitor
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > That's not what I want.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                                  > > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but
                                  > would
                                  > > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                                  > > > screen 1.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Thanks,
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Geoff
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >



                                  --
                                  "You are what your deep, driving desire is. As your deep, driving desire
                                  is, so is your will. As your will is, so is your deed.
                                  As your deed is, so is your destiny."
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                                • Verhoeven, Peter
                                  Hi Vicky, You can also try WinZoom http://www.getwinzoom.com. They offer a UsB version, that does not need any driver installation or administrator permission.
                                  Message 16 of 27 , Feb 23, 2010
                                    Hi Vicky,

                                    You can also try WinZoom http://www.getwinzoom.com
                                    They offer a UsB version, that does not need any driver installation or administrator permission.

                                    Peter Verhoeven
                                    http://www.magnifiers.org


                                    Peter Verhoeven
                                    T +31 (0)77 359 2706

                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Victoria Gaitanis
                                    Sent: dinsdag 23 februari 2010 19:20
                                    To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor

                                    I was wondering if anyone else has problems with IZOOM using word processing? I'm just demo-ing the software so maybe that's the issue - but it seems like Word runs a lot slower and the keyboard is way less responsive if I've got IZOOM up and running. I've also noticed that the words identified as misspelled by the red wavy lines are not very clear at all.
                                    Anyone have any ideas? I'm mainly trying to find screen magnification for my daughter who is low vision - something affordable but portable - so she can use any computer at school with it. Thanks!
                                    Vicky G

                                    On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:42 PM, hostricity <geoffstaples@...>wrote:

                                    >
                                    >
                                    > I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and
                                    > he is willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up
                                    > the demo for him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
                                    >
                                    > I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless
                                    > someone who has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work
                                    > dual monitor as discussed here.
                                    >
                                    > I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and
                                    > they tell me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on
                                    > the rest of the screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
                                    >
                                    > Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would
                                    > work well.
                                    >
                                    > As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets
                                    > frustrated that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and
                                    > focusing on that causes him to make typos and lose his train of thought.
                                    >
                                    > I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have
                                    > taken an interest will know what happened.
                                    >
                                    > Geoff
                                    >
                                    > --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>,
                                    > Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Geoff,
                                    > > Â
                                    > > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look
                                    > > into a
                                    > magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot
                                    > of magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for
                                    > people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                                    > > Â
                                    > > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the
                                    > > new
                                    > Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about
                                    > on this list.
                                    > > Â
                                    > > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work,
                                    > running ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the
                                    > flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an
                                    > enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both
                                    > monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both
                                    > monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an
                                    > enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and
                                    > last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them
                                    > all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really
                                    > wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+
                                    > years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor
                                    > and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!! And, the 1x image along
                                    > with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training,
                                    > both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted person
                                    > can look at the second screen
                                    > > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me
                                    > > something
                                    > on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x
                                    > screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of
                                    > the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Thank you,
                                    > > Have a Great Day!
                                    > >
                                    > > Karey Carbaugh
                                    > >
                                    > > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
                                    > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                    > > second
                                    > monitor
                                    > > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Â
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Thanks for the heads up.
                                    > >
                                    > > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                                    > >
                                    > > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility.
                                    > 200% to 300% would be plenty.
                                    > >
                                    > > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate,
                                    > > etc., but
                                    > needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
                                    > >
                                    > > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to
                                    > > diabetes
                                    > and needs an assist.
                                    > >
                                    > > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his
                                    > ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of
                                    > magnification on the second screen.
                                    > >
                                    > > Geoff
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Geoff,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want
                                    > > > "allows me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the
                                    > > > magnification display
                                    > on
                                    > > > screen 2"
                                    > > >
                                    > > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom
                                    > > > will provide cheap magnificication.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Shawn
                                    > > >
                                    > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro
                                    > > > ups.com]
                                    > On
                                    > > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                    > > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                    > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                    > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                    > > > second monitor
                                    > > >
                                    > > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end
                                    > > > magnifier is
                                    > a
                                    > > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                    > > > wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm
                                    > > > > certainly
                                    > > > interested in additional suggestions.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Geoff
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                    > > > www.aisquared. com and
                                    > > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > - Bas
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro
                                    > > > ups.com]
                                    > On
                                    > > > Behalf Of hostricity
                                    > > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                    > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                    > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                    > > > second monitor
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > That's not what I want.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a
                                    > > > magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but
                                    > would
                                    > > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier
                                    > > > on screen 1.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Thanks,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Geoff
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >



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                                    As your deed is, so is your destiny."
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                                  • Karey Carbaugh
                                    Hi T H,   As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community College.  I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I
                                    Message 17 of 27 , Feb 24, 2010
                                      Hi T H,
                                       
                                      As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community College.  I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I was laid off in 2002.  I have found good and bad supervisors with regard to my visual impairement.  I completely agree with Groff in that you should first find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual impairement easier to get over.
                                       
                                      It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job.  I have found that for me it works best to down play the impairement.  I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning.  This way people get to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability.  In this way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person.  This may seem like symantics, but I have found that if people know me first, then they are usually more willing to get past the disability.  This doesn't always work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be open to understanding.  You have to find the approach that works best for you.
                                       
                                      For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after meeting me that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out.  This means that I have "overcome" the disability.
                                       
                                      IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for ZoomText, but by that point they already knew from my past experience that I could do the job.  One of my first assignments was to do a very manual task on the computer.  This involved copying data from one screen to another and entering data that was quite tedious.  After learning the task, I became borred and realized that I could not do it as fast as others, due to needing to read the data to input it.  So, I created a program that automated much of the manual effort.  When I showed my supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on more tasks and doing the same with them.  ONe of my early on tasks used to take about 2 days for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do.  After I automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2 hours.  One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had not anticipated my disability
                                      being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never anticipated, much less in my first few months.  I share this just to give you an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn them into assets.  I have continued to create these efficiencies in my current position and have become known throught the Community College system here in Colorado and was even hired under contract to do some of what I have done for my college at the College System to benefit them and the other colleges.
                                       
                                      It has not always been easy.  In fact, I truely believe that some of the reason I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but when I looked into it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could hope for, if I wonl, was to get my job back and be working for the same supervisor.  He was one that just never understood and the culture was such that everyone was being driven to their humanly possible limits.  This made it nearly impossible to compensate for my disability and I was just not able to produce at the levels they wanted.  Now, I understand that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with top productivity from everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours per week from me to compensate.  I'm enjoying life so much more working for a Community College than for the corporate world.  I only wish that I had discovered this sooner.  Again, I mention this to say it is so important to find a job you enjoy and then you
                                      can overcome the other challenges much easier.
                                       
                                      I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not pertinent to everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case others had interest in this topic.
                                       
                                      Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help, dont hesitate to e-mail me.
                                       

                                      Thank you,
                                      Have a Great Day!

                                      Karey Carbaugh

                                      --- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@...> wrote:


                                      From: T H <mrstish05@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                      To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM


                                       



                                      Hi Karey, what do you do for a living?  I am currently attending college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management.  I access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and this has been a challenge for me.  I am constantly explaining my  low vision needs to people.  I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my situation.  I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day.  I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school.  How do I explain my situation to employers?

                                      --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                      From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
                                      Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                      To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                      Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM

                                       

                                      Geoff,
                                       
                                      I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                                       
                                      Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                                       
                                      I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted person can look at the second screen
                                      while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!

                                      Thank you,
                                      Have a Great Day!

                                      Karey Carbaugh

                                      --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:

                                      From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
                                      Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                      To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                      Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM

                                       

                                      Thanks for the heads up.

                                      The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.

                                      We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.

                                      This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.

                                      He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.

                                      We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.

                                      Geoff

                                      --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Geoff,
                                      >
                                      > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                                      > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                                      > screen 2"
                                      >
                                      > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                                      > provide cheap magnificication.
                                      >
                                      > Shawn
                                      >
                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                      > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                      > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                      > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                      > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                      > second monitor
                                      >
                                      > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                                      > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                      >
                                      > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                      > wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                                      > interested in additional suggestions.
                                      > >
                                      > > Geoff
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                      > www.aisquared. com and
                                      > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > - Bas
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                      > Behalf Of hostricity
                                      > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                      > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                      > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                      > monitor
                                      >
                                      > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                      >
                                      > That's not what I want.
                                      >
                                      > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                                      > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                      >
                                      > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                                      > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                      >
                                      > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                                      > screen 1.
                                      >
                                      > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                      >
                                      > Thanks,
                                      >
                                      > Geoff
                                      >

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                                    • Doug Hacker
                                      Karey, Thanks for sharing that story. Fascinating and inspiring. One of my colleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had not anticipated my
                                      Message 18 of 27 , Feb 24, 2010
                                        Karey,

                                        Thanks for sharing that story. Fascinating and inspiring.

                                        "One of my colleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had not anticipated my disability
                                        being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never anticipated,"

                                        I had never considered something like that but it makes perfect sense.

                                        Doug


                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Karey Carbaugh
                                        Sent: Wed 2/24/2010 3:51 AM
                                        To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor



                                        Hi T H,

                                        As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community College. I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I was laid off in 2002. I have found good and bad supervisors with regard to my visual impairement. I completely agree with Groff in that you should first find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual impairement easier to get over.

                                        It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the impairement. I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning. This way people get to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability. In this way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person. This may seem like symantics, but I have found that if people know me first, then they are usually more willing to get past the disability. This doesn't always work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be open to understanding. You have to find the approach that works best for you.

                                        For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after meeting me that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out. This means that I have "overcome" the disability.

                                        IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for ZoomText, but by that point they already knew from my past experience that I could do the job. One of my first assignments was to do a very manual task on the computer. This involved copying data from one screen to another and entering data that was quite tedious. After learning the task, I became borred and realized that I could not do it as fast as others, due to needing to read the data to input it. So, I created a program that automated much of the manual effort. When I showed my supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on more tasks and doing the same with them. ONe of my early on tasks used to take about 2 days for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do. After I automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2 hours. One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had not anticipated my disability
                                        being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never anticipated, much less in my first few months. I share this just to give you an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn them into assets. I have continued to create these efficiencies in my current position and have become known throught the Community College system here in Colorado and was even hired under contract to do some of what I have done for my college at the College System to benefit them and the other colleges.

                                        It has not always been easy. In fact, I truely believe that some of the reason I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but when I looked into it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could hope for, if I wonl, was to get my job back and be working for the same supervisor. He was one that just never understood and the culture was such that everyone was being driven to their humanly possible limits. This made it nearly impossible to compensate for my disability and I was just not able to produce at the levels they wanted. Now, I understand that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with top productivity from everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours per week from me to compensate. I'm enjoying life so much more working for a Community College than for the corporate world. I only wish that I had discovered this sooner. Again, I mention this to say it is so important to find a job you enjoy and then you
                                        can overcome the other challenges much easier.

                                        I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not pertinent to everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case others had interest in this topic.

                                        Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help, dont hesitate to e-mail me.


                                        Thank you,
                                        Have a Great Day!

                                        Karey Carbaugh

                                        --- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@... <mailto:mrstish05%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

                                        From: T H <mrstish05@... <mailto:mrstish05%40yahoo.com> >
                                        Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                        To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM



                                        Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly explaining my low vision needs to people. I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my situation. I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day. I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school. How do I explain my situation to employers?

                                        --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                        From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
                                        Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                        To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                        Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM



                                        Geoff,

                                        I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.

                                        Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.

                                        I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted person can look at the second screen
                                        while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!

                                        Thank you,
                                        Have a Great Day!

                                        Karey Carbaugh

                                        --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:

                                        From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
                                        Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                        To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                        Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM



                                        Thanks for the heads up.

                                        The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.

                                        We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.

                                        This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.

                                        He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.

                                        We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.

                                        Geoff

                                        --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Geoff,
                                        >
                                        > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                                        > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                                        > screen 2"
                                        >
                                        > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                                        > provide cheap magnificication.
                                        >
                                        > Shawn
                                        >
                                        > -----Original Message-----
                                        > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                        > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                        > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                        > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                        > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                        > second monitor
                                        >
                                        > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                                        > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                        >
                                        > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                        > wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                                        > interested in additional suggestions.
                                        > >
                                        > > Geoff
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                        > www.aisquared. com and
                                        > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > - Bas
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        >
                                        > -----Original Message-----
                                        > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                        > Behalf Of hostricity
                                        > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                        > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                        > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                        > monitor
                                        >
                                        > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                        >
                                        > That's not what I want.
                                        >
                                        > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                                        > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                        >
                                        > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                                        > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                        >
                                        > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                                        > screen 1.
                                        >
                                        > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                        >
                                        > Thanks,
                                        >
                                        > Geoff
                                        >

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                                      • Karey Carbaugh
                                        You re most welcome Doug and thanks for responding!  Its great to hear from you again as it has been a while.   I thought others might find it of interest,
                                        Message 19 of 27 , Feb 24, 2010
                                          You're most welcome Doug and thanks for responding!  Its great to hear from you again as it has been a while.
                                           
                                          I thought others might find it of interest, as it was not something I had really thought about when I was doing it.  I was merely trying to make my life easier and use the computer to "level the playing field" so to speak.
                                           
                                          Thanks to you and your calleagues as well for all you've done on ZoomText!  It has truely enabled me to be productive.  I'm at my other office today, which is technically my main office though I'm only here one day a week.  I have the dual monitors set up.  I did this primarily for training, both me training others and them training me, so that I'd have an un-enlarged monitor for them to look at while I use ZoomText.  I have found that the side-by-side monitors in "span" mode are a real God send for spreadsheets and lining up information.  Before long, I may want the dual monitors in both offices!  I just wanted to say thinks and to share with you that this has been far more valuable than I had ever imagined and I've only had it for a week so I'm still really just getting used to it.


                                          Thank you,
                                          Have a Great Day!

                                          Karey Carbaugh

                                          --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Doug Hacker <dhacker@...> wrote:


                                          From: Doug Hacker <dhacker@...>
                                          Subject: RE: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                          To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                          Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 5:38 AM


                                           



                                          Karey,

                                          Thanks for sharing that story. Fascinating and inspiring.

                                          "One of my colleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had not anticipated my disability
                                          being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never anticipated, "

                                          I had never considered something like that but it makes perfect sense.

                                          Doug

                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com on behalf of Karey Carbaugh
                                          Sent: Wed 2/24/2010 3:51 AM
                                          To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor



                                          Hi T H,

                                          As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community College. I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I was laid off in 2002. I have found good and bad supervisors with regard to my visual impairement. I completely agree with Groff in that you should first find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual impairement easier to get over.

                                          It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the impairement. I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning. This way people get to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability. In this way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person. This may seem like symantics, but I have found that if people know me first, then they are usually more willing to get past the disability. This doesn't always work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be open to understanding. You have to find the approach that works best for you.

                                          For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after meeting me that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out. This means that I have "overcome" the disability.

                                          IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for ZoomText, but by that point they already knew from my past experience that I could do the job. One of my first assignments was to do a very manual task on the computer. This involved copying data from one screen to another and entering data that was quite tedious. After learning the task, I became borred and realized that I could not do it as fast as others, due to needing to read the data to input it. So, I created a program that automated much of the manual effort. When I showed my supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on more tasks and doing the same with them. ONe of my early on tasks used to take about 2 days for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do. After I automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2 hours. One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had not anticipated my disability
                                          being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never anticipated, much less in my first few months. I share this just to give you an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn them into assets. I have continued to create these efficiencies in my current position and have become known throught the Community College system here in Colorado and was even hired under contract to do some of what I have done for my college at the College System to benefit them and the other colleges.

                                          It has not always been easy. In fact, I truely believe that some of the reason I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but when I looked into it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could hope for, if I wonl, was to get my job back and be working for the same supervisor. He was one that just never understood and the culture was such that everyone was being driven to their humanly possible limits. This made it nearly impossible to compensate for my disability and I was just not able to produce at the levels they wanted. Now, I understand that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with top productivity from everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours per week from me to compensate. I'm enjoying life so much more working for a Community College than for the corporate world. I only wish that I had discovered this sooner. Again, I mention this to say it is so important to find a job you enjoy and then you
                                          can overcome the other challenges much easier.

                                          I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not pertinent to everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case others had interest in this topic.

                                          Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help, dont hesitate to e-mail me.


                                          Thank you,
                                          Have a Great Day!

                                          Karey Carbaugh

                                          --- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@yahoo. com <mailto:mrstish05% 40yahoo.com> > wrote:

                                          From: T H <mrstish05@yahoo. com <mailto:mrstish05% 40yahoo.com> >
                                          Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                          To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:magnifiers% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                          Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM

                                          Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly explaining my low vision needs to people. I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my situation. I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day. I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school. How do I explain my situation to employers?

                                          --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                          From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
                                          Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                          To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                          Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM

                                          Geoff,

                                          I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.

                                          Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.

                                          I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted person can look at the second screen
                                          while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!

                                          Thank you,
                                          Have a Great Day!

                                          Karey Carbaugh

                                          --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:

                                          From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
                                          Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                          To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                          Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM

                                          Thanks for the heads up.

                                          The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.

                                          We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.

                                          This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.

                                          He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.

                                          We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.

                                          Geoff

                                          --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Geoff,
                                          >
                                          > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                                          > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                                          > screen 2"
                                          >
                                          > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                                          > provide cheap magnificication.
                                          >
                                          > Shawn
                                          >
                                          > -----Original Message-----
                                          > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                          > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                          > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                          > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                          > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                          > second monitor
                                          >
                                          > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                                          > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                          >
                                          > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                          > wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                                          > interested in additional suggestions.
                                          > >
                                          > > Geoff
                                          > >
                                          > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                          > www.aisquared. com and
                                          > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > - Bas
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          >
                                          > -----Original Message-----
                                          > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                          > Behalf Of hostricity
                                          > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                          > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                          > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                          > monitor
                                          >
                                          > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                          >
                                          > That's not what I want.
                                          >
                                          > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                                          > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                          >
                                          > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                                          > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                          >
                                          > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                                          > screen 1.
                                          >
                                          > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                          >
                                          > Thanks,
                                          >
                                          > Geoff
                                          >

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                                        • T H
                                          Hi Karey.  I really appreciate your feedback.  No one understands the struggles that I endure because they don t walk in my shoes.  Being able to express
                                          Message 20 of 27 , Feb 25, 2010
                                            Hi Karey.  I really appreciate your feedback.  No one understands the struggles that I endure because they don't walk in my shoes.  Being able to express myself to someone who can understand makes a big difference to me.  I have dealt with this disability for years now but it tends to be a daily struggle but I keep moving along.  I continue to strive in college so that I can someday achieve that degree and find a career that will accept me for who I am.

                                            --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:


                                            From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...>
                                            Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                            To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                            Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 3:51 AM


                                             



                                            Hi T H,
                                             
                                            As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community College.  I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I was laid off in 2002.  I have found good and bad supervisors with regard to my visual impairement.  I completely agree with Groff in that you should first find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual impairement easier to get over.
                                             
                                            It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job.  I have found that for me it works best to down play the impairement.  I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning.  This way people get to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability.  In this way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person.  This may seem like symantics, but I have found that if people know me first, then they are usually more willing to get past the disability.  This doesn't always work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be open to understanding.  You have to find the approach that works best for you.
                                             
                                            For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after meeting me that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out.  This means that I have "overcome" the disability.
                                             
                                            IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for ZoomText, but by that point they already knew from my past experience that I could do the job.  One of my first assignments was to do a very manual task on the computer.  This involved copying data from one screen to another and entering data that was quite tedious.  After learning the task, I became borred and realized that I could not do it as fast as others, due to needing to read the data to input it.  So, I created a program that automated much of the manual effort.  When I showed my supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on more tasks and doing the same with them.  ONe of my early on tasks used to take about 2 days for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do.  After I automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2 hours.  One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had not anticipated my disability
                                            being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never anticipated, much less in my first few months.  I share this just to give you an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn them into assets.  I have continued to create these efficiencies in my current position and have become known throught the Community College system here in Colorado and was even hired under contract to do some of what I have done for my college at the College System to benefit them and the other colleges.
                                             
                                            It has not always been easy.  In fact, I truely believe that some of the reason I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but when I looked into it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could hope for, if I wonl, was to get my job back and be working for the same supervisor.  He was one that just never understood and the culture was such that everyone was being driven to their humanly possible limits.  This made it nearly impossible to compensate for my disability and I was just not able to produce at the levels they wanted.  Now, I understand that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with top productivity from everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours per week from me to compensate.  I'm enjoying life so much more working for a Community College than for the corporate world.  I only wish that I had discovered this sooner.  Again, I mention this to say it is so important to find a job you enjoy and then you
                                            can overcome the other challenges much easier.
                                             
                                            I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not pertinent to everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case others had interest in this topic.
                                             
                                            Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help, dont hesitate to e-mail me.
                                             

                                            Thank you,
                                            Have a Great Day!

                                            Karey Carbaugh

                                            --- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                            From: T H <mrstish05@yahoo. com>
                                            Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                            To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                            Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM

                                             

                                            Hi Karey, what do you do for a living?  I am currently attending college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management.  I access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and this has been a challenge for me.  I am constantly explaining my  low vision needs to people.  I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my situation.  I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day.  I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school.  How do I explain my situation to employers?

                                            --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                            From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
                                            Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                            To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                            Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM

                                             

                                            Geoff,
                                             
                                            I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                                             
                                            Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                                             
                                            I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted person can look at the second screen
                                            while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!

                                            Thank you,
                                            Have a Great Day!

                                            Karey Carbaugh

                                            --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:

                                            From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
                                            Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                            To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                            Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM

                                             

                                            Thanks for the heads up.

                                            The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.

                                            We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.

                                            This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.

                                            He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.

                                            We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.

                                            Geoff

                                            --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Geoff,
                                            >
                                            > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                                            > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                                            > screen 2"
                                            >
                                            > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                                            > provide cheap magnificication.
                                            >
                                            > Shawn
                                            >
                                            > -----Original Message-----
                                            > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                            > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                            > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                            > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                            > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                            > second monitor
                                            >
                                            > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                                            > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                            >
                                            > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                            > wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                                            > interested in additional suggestions.
                                            > >
                                            > > Geoff
                                            > >
                                            > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                            > www.aisquared. com and
                                            > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > - Bas
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            >
                                            > -----Original Message-----
                                            > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                            > Behalf Of hostricity
                                            > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                            > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                            > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                            > monitor
                                            >
                                            > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                            >
                                            > That's not what I want.
                                            >
                                            > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                                            > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                            >
                                            > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                                            > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                            >
                                            > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                                            > screen 1.
                                            >
                                            > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                            >
                                            > Thanks,
                                            >
                                            > Geoff
                                            >

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                                          • davebrody2004
                                            Has anyone tried this magnifier. What do people think?
                                            Message 21 of 27 , Feb 26, 2010
                                              Has anyone tried this magnifier. What do people think?

                                              --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, "Verhoeven, Peter" <peter.verhoeven@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Hi Vicky,
                                              >
                                              > You can also try WinZoom http://www.getwinzoom.com
                                              > They offer a UsB version, that does not need any driver installation or administrator permission.
                                              >
                                              > Peter Verhoeven
                                              > http://www.magnifiers.org
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Peter Verhoeven
                                              > T +31 (0)77 359 2706
                                              >
                                              > -----Original Message-----
                                              > From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Victoria Gaitanis
                                              > Sent: dinsdag 23 februari 2010 19:20
                                              > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                              >
                                              > I was wondering if anyone else has problems with IZOOM using word processing? I'm just demo-ing the software so maybe that's the issue - but it seems like Word runs a lot slower and the keyboard is way less responsive if I've got IZOOM up and running. I've also noticed that the words identified as misspelled by the red wavy lines are not very clear at all.
                                              > Anyone have any ideas? I'm mainly trying to find screen magnification for my daughter who is low vision - something affordable but portable - so she can use any computer at school with it. Thanks!
                                              > Vicky G
                                              >
                                              > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:42 PM, hostricity <geoffstaples@...>wrote:
                                              >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and
                                              > > he is willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up
                                              > > the demo for him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
                                              > >
                                              > > I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless
                                              > > someone who has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work
                                              > > dual monitor as discussed here.
                                              > >
                                              > > I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and
                                              > > they tell me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on
                                              > > the rest of the screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
                                              > >
                                              > > Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would
                                              > > work well.
                                              > >
                                              > > As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets
                                              > > frustrated that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and
                                              > > focusing on that causes him to make typos and lose his train of thought.
                                              > >
                                              > > I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have
                                              > > taken an interest will know what happened.
                                              > >
                                              > > Geoff
                                              > >
                                              > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>,
                                              > > Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@> wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Geoff,
                                              > > > Â
                                              > > > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look
                                              > > > into a
                                              > > magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot
                                              > > of magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for
                                              > > people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                                              > > > Â
                                              > > > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the
                                              > > > new
                                              > > Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about
                                              > > on this list.
                                              > > > Â
                                              > > > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work,
                                              > > running ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the
                                              > > flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an
                                              > > enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both
                                              > > monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both
                                              > > monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an
                                              > > enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and
                                              > > last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them
                                              > > all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really
                                              > > wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+
                                              > > years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor
                                              > > and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!! And, the 1x image along
                                              > > with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training,
                                              > > both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted person
                                              > > can look at the second screen
                                              > > > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me
                                              > > > something
                                              > > on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x
                                              > > screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of
                                              > > the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Thank you,
                                              > > > Have a Great Day!
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Karey Carbaugh
                                              > > >
                                              > > > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@> wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@>
                                              > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                              > > > second
                                              > > monitor
                                              > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              > > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Â
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Thanks for the heads up.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility.
                                              > > 200% to 300% would be plenty.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate,
                                              > > > etc., but
                                              > > needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to
                                              > > > diabetes
                                              > > and needs an assist.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his
                                              > > ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of
                                              > > magnification on the second screen.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Geoff
                                              > > >
                                              > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Geoff,
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want
                                              > > > > "allows me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the
                                              > > > > magnification display
                                              > > on
                                              > > > > screen 2"
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom
                                              > > > > will provide cheap magnificication.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Shawn
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                              > > > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro
                                              > > > > ups.com]
                                              > > On
                                              > > > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                              > > > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                              > > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                              > > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                              > > > > second monitor
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end
                                              > > > > magnifier is
                                              > > a
                                              > > > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                              > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm
                                              > > > > > certainly
                                              > > > > interested in additional suggestions.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Geoff
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                              > > > > www.aisquared. com and
                                              > > > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > - Bas
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                              > > > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro
                                              > > > > ups.com]
                                              > > On
                                              > > > > Behalf Of hostricity
                                              > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                              > > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                              > > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                              > > > > second monitor
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > That's not what I want.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a
                                              > > > > magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but
                                              > > would
                                              > > > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier
                                              > > > > on screen 1.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Thanks,
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Geoff
                                              > > > >
                                              > > >
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                                            • hostricity
                                              Karey: ZoomText Lite doesn t have the dual monitor feature. We ve installed software and setup the second monitor. My friend really likes it. He has a large
                                              Message 22 of 27 , Mar 1, 2010
                                                Karey:

                                                ZoomText Lite doesn't have the dual monitor feature.

                                                We've installed software and setup the second monitor. My friend really likes it.

                                                He has a large monitor, set to make stuff as big as possible without stuff staring to jumble up, etc.

                                                I've watched him use it. He can see fine to open a browser, go to his email, and look at the list of email that has come in, but, it's a little bit of a strain. When he opens an email, he uses the magnifier and reads it on the other screen. That works really well.

                                                In fact, with two monitors, sometimes he just moves something to the other screen and magnifies it there.

                                                Sometimes, he uses the magnifier on the main screen.

                                                But, he really likes just leaving it set so that the second screen always shows what's under the magnifying glass on the first screen because that gives him the best overall view of the main screen and he can see what's too small, or eye-strainy on the second monitor.

                                                Please note that my friend has better vision then most who use this stuff, so the main screen is readable for some things, and it is mostly when he drills down into an email, document, or whatever, that he uses the magnifier.

                                                Geoff

                                                --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Thanks Geoff,
                                                >  
                                                > I guess I've been using ZoomText on a single screen for so long that I can't understand the difficulty with losing the "natural flow" on a screen.  After 25+ years of using ZoomText, and other products before ZoomText came out including a CCTV with a cable that plugged into my PC back in the 80's, my "natural flow" is clearly using magnification on a single monitor.  I remember being very excited when I no longer had to put my strong magnifier lenses on and litteerally rub my nose on the screen to read it while I was in college.  They found an old CRT terminal that had dual pitch characters, so you could make the letters twice as big.  This wasn't big enough, but cut down the strain a lot.
                                                >  
                                                > If your friend only needs about 2X magnification, ZoomText has a product that I think they now call ZoomText Lite which has lower magnification and is less expensive.  I don't know if it has the dual monitor capability or ot, but I would still guess that once your friend gets used to using the magnification it will be easier to use it on 1 monitor.  To me, looking back and forth would be slower, but maybe its all in what you get used to.
                                                >  
                                                > I presume you have already tried the normal font size enhancements in Windows?  This also might work for the lower magnification needs, especially with a very large display, like say a 20-inch or even a 27 inch display.  I'm just thinking of options which might be more cost-effective for him.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > Thank you,
                                                > Have a Great Day!
                                                >
                                                > Karey Carbaugh
                                                >
                                                > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
                                                > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                                > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:42 PM
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >  
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and he is willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up the demo for him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
                                                >
                                                > I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless someone who has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work dual monitor as discussed here.
                                                >
                                                > I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and they tell me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on the rest of the screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
                                                >
                                                > Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would work well.
                                                >
                                                > As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets frustrated that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and focusing on that causes him to make typos and lose his train of thought.
                                                >
                                                > I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have taken an interest will know what happened.
                                                >
                                                > Geoff
                                                >
                                                > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > Geoff,
                                                > >  
                                                > > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                                                > >  
                                                > > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                                                > >  
                                                > > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted person can look at the
                                                > second screen
                                                > > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > Thank you,
                                                > > Have a Great Day!
                                                > >
                                                > > Karey Carbaugh
                                                > >
                                                > > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...>
                                                > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                                > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >  
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > Thanks for the heads up.
                                                > >
                                                > > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                                                > >
                                                > > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.
                                                > >
                                                > > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
                                                > >
                                                > > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.
                                                > >
                                                > > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.
                                                > >
                                                > > Geoff
                                                > >
                                                > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Geoff,
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                                                > > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                                                > > > screen 2"
                                                > > >
                                                > > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                                                > > > provide cheap magnificication.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Shawn
                                                > > >
                                                > > > -----Original Message-----
                                                > > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                                > > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                                > > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                                > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                                > > > second monitor
                                                > > >
                                                > > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                                                > > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                                > > > wrote:
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                                                > > > interested in additional suggestions.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Geoff
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                                > > > www.aisquared. com and
                                                > > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > - Bas
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > -----Original Message-----
                                                > > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                                > > > Behalf Of hostricity
                                                > > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                                > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                                > > > monitor
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > That's not what I want.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                                                > > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                                                > > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                                                > > > screen 1.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Thanks,
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Geoff
                                                > > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
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                                              • hostricity
                                                Karey said, It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your
                                                Message 23 of 27 , Mar 1, 2010
                                                  Karey said, "It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the impairement. I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning. This way people get to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability. In this
                                                  way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person."

                                                  I agree. I do websites for political candidates. One of my candidates is a dwarf. If he is elected judge, we think he will be the first dwarf in the U. S. elected to the bench.

                                                  He is a great person and will likely beat two opponents in the Democratic primary next week. The winner of the Democratic Primary will win in November, barring something weird.

                                                  When I did his website, I told him that people should get to know him first as a competent attorney and candidate. So, I had him do a short video which we put up on the home page of his website. Once you get into the website, it is obvious that he's a dwarf from the photos with other political figures and the stuff he says about it in his biography. He's a really strong candidate, so I don't know if the "get to know him first" strategy actually made any difference, but he's winning and it didn't hurt.

                                                  Here's something he told me I found really offensive. He and his wife let it roll off their backs, but I know it is annoying to them and that they have to put on a game face and be polite: They tell me that when they are out in public, that it isn't uncommon for people to walk up to them and ask if they can take their picture or have a picture taken with them. They think the people want a picture of the "freaks", and I agree.

                                                  I was surprised that people would do that. If I were standing in line or sitting next to one of them in a bar, I wouldn't hesitate talking to them about being a dwarf if we were enjoying casual conversation -- I'm always curious and excited to meet people who have different experiences from my own, but walking up to someone on the street and asking to take their picture seems really rude.

                                                  I know that I will talk with people about this kind of stuff more quickly than most other people. I think it's because I grew up in Baltimore, in the Johns Hopkins community, and I was constantly around all kinds of different people and they were my friends - so, of course, we talked about what we had in common and what's different.

                                                  My theory is that people can tell whether you are comfortable about discussing these things with them, and they interpret that comfort as a friendly gesture of goodwill, so they are happy to talk with someone they believe is genuinely interested and sympathetic.

                                                  Geoff

                                                  --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > Hi T H,
                                                  >  
                                                  > As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community College.  I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I was laid off in 2002.  I have found good and bad supervisors with regard to my visual impairement.  I completely agree with Groff in that you should first find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual impairement easier to get over.
                                                  >  
                                                  > It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job.  I have found that for me it works best to down play the impairement.  I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning.  This way people get to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability.  In this way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person.  This may seem like symantics, but I have found that if people know me first, then they are usually more willing to get past the disability.  This doesn't always work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be open to understanding.  You have to find the approach that works best for you.
                                                  >  
                                                  > For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after meeting me that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out.  This means that I have "overcome" the disability.
                                                  >  
                                                  > IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for ZoomText, but by that point they already knew from my past experience that I could do the job.  One of my first assignments was to do a very manual task on the computer.  This involved copying data from one screen to another and entering data that was quite tedious.  After learning the task, I became borred and realized that I could not do it as fast as others, due to needing to read the data to input it.  So, I created a program that automated much of the manual effort.  When I showed my supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on more tasks and doing the same with them.  ONe of my early on tasks used to take about 2 days for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do.  After I automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2 hours.  One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had not anticipated my disability
                                                  > being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never anticipated, much less in my first few months.  I share this just to give you an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn them into assets.  I have continued to create these efficiencies in my current position and have become known throught the Community College system here in Colorado and was even hired under contract to do some of what I have done for my college at the College System to benefit them and the other colleges.
                                                  >  
                                                  > It has not always been easy.  In fact, I truely believe that some of the reason I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but when I looked into it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could hope for, if I wonl, was to get my job back and be working for the same supervisor.  He was one that just never understood and the culture was such that everyone was being driven to their humanly possible limits.  This made it nearly impossible to compensate for my disability and I was just not able to produce at the levels they wanted.  Now, I understand that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with top productivity from everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours per week from me to compensate.  I'm enjoying life so much more working for a Community College than for the corporate world.  I only wish that I had discovered this sooner.  Again, I mention this to say it is so important to find a job you enjoy and then you
                                                  > can overcome the other challenges much easier.
                                                  >  
                                                  > I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not pertinent to everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case others had interest in this topic.
                                                  >  
                                                  > Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help, dont hesitate to e-mail me.
                                                  >  
                                                  >
                                                  > Thank you,
                                                  > Have a Great Day!
                                                  >
                                                  > Karey Carbaugh
                                                  >
                                                  > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > From: T H <mrstish05@...>
                                                  > Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                                  > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                                  > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >  
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Hi Karey, what do you do for a living?  I am currently attending college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management.  I access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and this has been a challenge for me.  I am constantly explaining my  low vision needs to people.  I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my situation.  I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day.  I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school.  How do I explain my situation to employers?
                                                  >
                                                  > --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
                                                  > Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                                  > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                  > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
                                                  >
                                                  >  
                                                  >
                                                  > Geoff,
                                                  >  
                                                  > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                                                  >  
                                                  > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                                                  >  
                                                  > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted person can look at the second screen
                                                  > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
                                                  >
                                                  > Thank you,
                                                  > Have a Great Day!
                                                  >
                                                  > Karey Carbaugh
                                                  >
                                                  > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
                                                  > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                                  > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                  > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                                                  >
                                                  >  
                                                  >
                                                  > Thanks for the heads up.
                                                  >
                                                  > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                                                  >
                                                  > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.
                                                  >
                                                  > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
                                                  >
                                                  > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.
                                                  >
                                                  > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.
                                                  >
                                                  > Geoff
                                                  >
                                                  > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Geoff,
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                                                  > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                                                  > > screen 2"
                                                  > >
                                                  > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                                                  > > provide cheap magnificication.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Shawn
                                                  > >
                                                  > > -----Original Message-----
                                                  > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                                  > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                                  > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                                  > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                  > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                                  > > second monitor
                                                  > >
                                                  > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                                                  > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                                  > > wrote:
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                                                  > > interested in additional suggestions.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Geoff
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                                  > > www.aisquared. com and
                                                  > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > - Bas
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > -----Original Message-----
                                                  > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                                  > > Behalf Of hostricity
                                                  > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                                  > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                  > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                                  > > monitor
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > That's not what I want.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                                                  > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                                                  > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                                                  > > screen 1.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Thanks,
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Geoff
                                                  > >
                                                  >
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                                                  >
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                                                • Karey Carbaugh
                                                  Well said Geoff!   I completely agree with you and yes it is rather angering to hear of people coming up and wanting to take a picture of your friend.  I do
                                                  Message 24 of 27 , Mar 1, 2010
                                                    Well said Geoff!
                                                     
                                                    I completely agree with you and yes it is rather angering to hear of people coming up and wanting to take a picture of your friend.  I do hope he wins the election as this could be a huge step for many people who are different.
                                                     
                                                    When I was going through Voc. Rehab. I had a meeting with my counsellor and another gentleman one time and turned around as he entered the room.  At first I thought he was in a wheelchair based on where we made eye contact, then I realized he was standing up and was a dwarf.  While it was surprising at first, having not met many dwarfs myself, I would have NEVER thought of taking his picture, or even wanting to.
                                                     
                                                    I do agree that the person's comfort level with their own situation, whether a disability or other condition, will "rub off" on others and set the tone for the interaction.
                                                     
                                                    Good luck to your friend in the election!


                                                    Thank you,
                                                    Have a Great Day!

                                                    Karey Carbaugh

                                                    --- On Mon, 3/1/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:


                                                    From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
                                                    Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                                    To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 10:06 AM


                                                     



                                                    Karey said, "It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the impairement. I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning. This way people get to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability. In this
                                                    way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person."

                                                    I agree. I do websites for political candidates. One of my candidates is a dwarf. If he is elected judge, we think he will be the first dwarf in the U. S. elected to the bench.

                                                    He is a great person and will likely beat two opponents in the Democratic primary next week. The winner of the Democratic Primary will win in November, barring something weird.

                                                    When I did his website, I told him that people should get to know him first as a competent attorney and candidate. So, I had him do a short video which we put up on the home page of his website. Once you get into the website, it is obvious that he's a dwarf from the photos with other political figures and the stuff he says about it in his biography. He's a really strong candidate, so I don't know if the "get to know him first" strategy actually made any difference, but he's winning and it didn't hurt.

                                                    Here's something he told me I found really offensive. He and his wife let it roll off their backs, but I know it is annoying to them and that they have to put on a game face and be polite: They tell me that when they are out in public, that it isn't uncommon for people to walk up to them and ask if they can take their picture or have a picture taken with them. They think the people want a picture of the "freaks", and I agree.

                                                    I was surprised that people would do that. If I were standing in line or sitting next to one of them in a bar, I wouldn't hesitate talking to them about being a dwarf if we were enjoying casual conversation -- I'm always curious and excited to meet people who have different experiences from my own, but walking up to someone on the street and asking to take their picture seems really rude.

                                                    I know that I will talk with people about this kind of stuff more quickly than most other people. I think it's because I grew up in Baltimore, in the Johns Hopkins community, and I was constantly around all kinds of different people and they were my friends - so, of course, we talked about what we had in common and what's different.

                                                    My theory is that people can tell whether you are comfortable about discussing these things with them, and they interpret that comfort as a friendly gesture of goodwill, so they are happy to talk with someone they believe is genuinely interested and sympathetic.

                                                    Geoff

                                                    --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > Hi T H,
                                                    >  
                                                    > As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community College.  I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I was laid off in 2002.  I have found good and bad supervisors with regard to my visual impairement.  I completely agree with Groff in that you should first find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual impairement easier to get over.
                                                    >  
                                                    > It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job.  I have found that for me it works best to down play the impairement.  I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning.  This way people get to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability.  In this way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person.  This may seem like symantics, but I have found that if people know me first, then they are usually more willing to get past the disability.  This doesn't always work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be open to understanding.  You have to find the approach that works best for you.
                                                    >  
                                                    > For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after meeting me that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out.  This means that I have "overcome" the disability.
                                                    >  
                                                    > IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for ZoomText, but by that point they already knew from my past experience that I could do the job.  One of my first assignments was to do a very manual task on the computer.  This involved copying data from one screen to another and entering data that was quite tedious.  After learning the task, I became borred and realized that I could not do it as fast as others, due to needing to read the data to input it.  So, I created a program that automated much of the manual effort.  When I showed my supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on more tasks and doing the same with them.  ONe of my early on tasks used to take about 2 days for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do.  After I automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2 hours.  One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had not
                                                    anticipated my disability
                                                    > being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never anticipated, much less in my first few months.  I share this just to give you an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn them into assets.  I have continued to create these efficiencies in my current position and have become known throught the Community College system here in Colorado and was even hired under contract to do some of what I have done for my college at the College System to benefit them and the other colleges.
                                                    >  
                                                    > It has not always been easy.  In fact, I truely believe that some of the reason I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but when I looked into it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could hope for, if I wonl, was to get my job back and be working for the same supervisor.  He was one that just never understood and the culture was such that everyone was being driven to their humanly possible limits.  This made it nearly impossible to compensate for my disability and I was just not able to produce at the levels they wanted.  Now, I understand that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with top productivity from everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours per week from me to compensate.  I'm enjoying life so much more working for a Community College than for the corporate world.  I only wish that I had discovered this sooner.  Again, I mention this to say it is so important to find a job you
                                                    enjoy and then you
                                                    > can overcome the other challenges much easier.
                                                    >  
                                                    > I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not pertinent to everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case others had interest in this topic.
                                                    >  
                                                    > Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help, dont hesitate to e-mail me.
                                                    >  
                                                    >
                                                    > Thank you,
                                                    > Have a Great Day!
                                                    >
                                                    > Karey Carbaugh
                                                    >
                                                    > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@. ..> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > From: T H <mrstish05@. ..>
                                                    > Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                                    > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                    > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >  
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > Hi Karey, what do you do for a living?  I am currently attending college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management.  I access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and this has been a challenge for me.  I am constantly explaining my  low vision needs to people.  I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my situation.  I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day.  I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school.  How do I explain my situation to employers?
                                                    >
                                                    > --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
                                                    > Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                                    > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                    > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
                                                    >
                                                    >  
                                                    >
                                                    > Geoff,
                                                    >  
                                                    > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                                                    >  
                                                    > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                                                    >  
                                                    > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted person can look at the
                                                    second screen
                                                    > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
                                                    >
                                                    > Thank you,
                                                    > Have a Great Day!
                                                    >
                                                    > Karey Carbaugh
                                                    >
                                                    > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
                                                    > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                                    > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                    > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                                                    >
                                                    >  
                                                    >
                                                    > Thanks for the heads up.
                                                    >
                                                    > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                                                    >
                                                    > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.
                                                    >
                                                    > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
                                                    >
                                                    > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.
                                                    >
                                                    > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.
                                                    >
                                                    > Geoff
                                                    >
                                                    > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Geoff,
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                                                    > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                                                    > > screen 2"
                                                    > >
                                                    > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                                                    > > provide cheap magnificication.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Shawn
                                                    > >
                                                    > > -----Original Message-----
                                                    > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                                    > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                                    > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                                    > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                    > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                                    > > second monitor
                                                    > >
                                                    > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                                                    > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                                    > > wrote:
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                                                    > > interested in additional suggestions.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Geoff
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                                    > > www.aisquared. com and
                                                    > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > - Bas
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > > -----Original Message-----
                                                    > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                                    > > Behalf Of hostricity
                                                    > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                                    > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                    > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                                    > > monitor
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > That's not what I want.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                                                    > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
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                                                    > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                                                    > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
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                                                    > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                                                    > > screen 1.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Thanks,
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                                                  • Karey Carbaugh
                                                    Geoff,   I was afraid this might be the case with ZoomText Lite, but thought it was worth a shot.   One of the reasons I sugggested the different view modes
                                                    Message 25 of 27 , Mar 2, 2010
                                                      Geoff,
                                                       
                                                      I was afraid this might be the case with ZoomText Lite, but thought it was worth a shot.
                                                       
                                                      One of the reasons I sugggested the different view modes was that they offer some level of being able to see the whole screen and "zoom in" on what you want to enlarge without the costly and space connsuming second monitor.  If the second monitor works, that is probably the best solution if cost is not an issue and if your friend has enough space on his work area.  With flat screen monitors, the space isn't as much of an issue as it once was when  20 inch monitor took up a whole desk and took a team of mules to move.  :)


                                                      Thank you,
                                                      Have a Great Day!

                                                      Karey Carbaugh

                                                      --- On Mon, 3/1/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:


                                                      From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
                                                      Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                                      To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                                      Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 9:32 AM


                                                       



                                                      Karey:

                                                      ZoomText Lite doesn't have the dual monitor feature.

                                                      We've installed software and setup the second monitor. My friend really likes it.

                                                      He has a large monitor, set to make stuff as big as possible without stuff staring to jumble up, etc.

                                                      I've watched him use it. He can see fine to open a browser, go to his email, and look at the list of email that has come in, but, it's a little bit of a strain. When he opens an email, he uses the magnifier and reads it on the other screen. That works really well.

                                                      In fact, with two monitors, sometimes he just moves something to the other screen and magnifies it there.

                                                      Sometimes, he uses the magnifier on the main screen.

                                                      But, he really likes just leaving it set so that the second screen always shows what's under the magnifying glass on the first screen because that gives him the best overall view of the main screen and he can see what's too small, or eye-strainy on the second monitor.

                                                      Please note that my friend has better vision then most who use this stuff, so the main screen is readable for some things, and it is mostly when he drills down into an email, document, or whatever, that he uses the magnifier.

                                                      Geoff

                                                      --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > Thanks Geoff,
                                                      >  
                                                      > I guess I've been using ZoomText on a single screen for so long that I can't understand the difficulty with losing the "natural flow" on a screen.  After 25+ years of using ZoomText, and other products before ZoomText came out including a CCTV with a cable that plugged into my PC back in the 80's, my "natural flow" is clearly using magnification on a single monitor.  I remember being very excited when I no longer had to put my strong magnifier lenses on and litteerally rub my nose on the screen to read it while I was in college.  They found an old CRT terminal that had dual pitch characters, so you could make the letters twice as big.  This wasn't big enough, but cut down the strain a lot.
                                                      >  
                                                      > If your friend only needs about 2X magnification, ZoomText has a product that I think they now call ZoomText Lite which has lower magnification and is less expensive.  I don't know if it has the dual monitor capability or ot, but I would still guess that once your friend gets used to using the magnification it will be easier to use it on 1 monitor.  To me, looking back and forth would be slower, but maybe its all in what you get used to.
                                                      >  
                                                      > I presume you have already tried the normal font size enhancements in Windows?  This also might work for the lower magnification needs, especially with a very large display, like say a 20-inch or even a 27 inch display.  I'm just thinking of options which might be more cost-effective for him.
                                                      >
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                                                      > Thank you,
                                                      > Have a Great Day!
                                                      >
                                                      > Karey Carbaugh
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                                                      > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...> wrote:
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                                                      > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...>
                                                      > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                                      > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                      > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:42 PM
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                                                      > I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and he is willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up the demo for him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
                                                      >
                                                      > I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless someone who has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work dual monitor as discussed here.
                                                      >
                                                      > I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and they tell me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on the rest of the screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
                                                      >
                                                      > Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would work well.
                                                      >
                                                      > As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets frustrated that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and focusing on that causes him to make typos and lose his train of thought.
                                                      >
                                                      > I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have taken an interest will know what happened.
                                                      >
                                                      > Geoff
                                                      >
                                                      > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
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                                                      > > Geoff,
                                                      > >  
                                                      > > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of magnification.  They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
                                                      > >  
                                                      > > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
                                                      > >  
                                                      > > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running ZoomText, last week.  I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both screens.  I love the first and last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!  And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee!  The sighted
                                                      person can look at the
                                                      > second screen
                                                      > > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen!  This is truely one of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
                                                      > >
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                                                      > > Thank you,
                                                      > > Have a Great Day!
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Karey Carbaugh
                                                      > >
                                                      > > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...> wrote:
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                                                      > >
                                                      > > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...>
                                                      > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second monitor
                                                      > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                      > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >  
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Thanks for the heads up.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to 300% would be plenty.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs an assist.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second screen.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Geoff
                                                      > >
                                                      > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
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                                                      > > > Geoff,
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                                                      > > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
                                                      > > > screen 2"
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                                                      > > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                                                      > > > provide cheap magnificication.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Shawn
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > -----Original Message-----
                                                      > > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                                      > > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                                      > > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                                      > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                      > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                                      > > > second monitor
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
                                                      > > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
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                                                      > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                                      > > > wrote:
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                                                      > > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
                                                      > > > interested in additional suggestions.
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > Geoff
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                                      > > > > >
                                                      > > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                                      > > > www.aisquared. com and
                                                      > > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                                      > > > > >
                                                      > > > > > - Bas
                                                      > > > > >
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > -----Original Message-----
                                                      > > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                                      > > > Behalf Of hostricity
                                                      > > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                                      > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                      > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                                      > > > monitor
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > That's not what I want.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                                                      > > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
                                                      > > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                                                      > > > screen 1.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Thanks,
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Geoff
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                                                    • Sherry Wells
                                                      This has been a most interesting thread. I agree with Karey in that it is best when possible to let someone, especially a potential employer, get to know you
                                                      Message 26 of 27 , Mar 2, 2010
                                                        This has been a most interesting thread. I agree with Karey in that it is
                                                        best when possible to let someone, especially a potential employer, get to
                                                        know you before disclosing that you have a disability. I work as a
                                                        consultant so often have to interview for new assignments and travel to
                                                        new places. I find that people are genuinely interested in how we work on
                                                        the computer and get around. Most are reluctant to ask as they do not
                                                        want to be intrusive. Its nice when they do feel comfortable enough to
                                                        ask questions. I would be the same way with those with other
                                                        disabilities, the dwarf for example. As someone said, it is interesting
                                                        to learn about all sorts of different people.

                                                        The anecdote about people wanting to have their picture taken with the
                                                        dwarf reminds me of something that happened to me shortly after 911. I
                                                        was walking down the street and a total stranger came up to me and told
                                                        me how lucky I was not to be able to see the horrific tv images of the
                                                        twin towers burning and collapse. I was so surprised that I did not think
                                                        of a good response, just muttered something about not considering myself
                                                        particularly lucky in that regard. I'm still amazed someone would think
                                                        that way and also wonder at the incredible idiocy of going up to a dwarf
                                                        and asking to have your picture taken with him or her.

                                                        Regards,
                                                        Sherry Wells





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                                                        Karey said, "It is true that you have to be careful about how much you
                                                        overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how
                                                        you do your job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the
                                                        impairement. I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the
                                                        beginning. This way people get to know me first as a person and then they
                                                        learn about my disability. In this
                                                        way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled
                                                        person."

                                                        I agree. I do websites for political candidates. One of my candidates is a
                                                        dwarf. If he is elected judge, we think he will be the first dwarf in the
                                                        U. S. elected to the bench.

                                                        He is a great person and will likely beat two opponents in the Democratic
                                                        primary next week. The winner of the Democratic Primary will win in
                                                        November, barring something weird.

                                                        When I did his website, I told him that people should get to know him
                                                        first as a competent attorney and candidate. So, I had him do a short
                                                        video which we put up on the home page of his website. Once you get into
                                                        the website, it is obvious that he's a dwarf from the photos with other
                                                        political figures and the stuff he says about it in his biography. He's a
                                                        really strong candidate, so I don't know if the "get to know him first"
                                                        strategy actually made any difference, but he's winning and it didn't
                                                        hurt.

                                                        Here's something he told me I found really offensive. He and his wife let
                                                        it roll off their backs, but I know it is annoying to them and that they
                                                        have to put on a game face and be polite: They tell me that when they are
                                                        out in public, that it isn't uncommon for people to walk up to them and
                                                        ask if they can take their picture or have a picture taken with them. They
                                                        think the people want a picture of the "freaks", and I agree.

                                                        I was surprised that people would do that. If I were standing in line or
                                                        sitting next to one of them in a bar, I wouldn't hesitate talking to them
                                                        about being a dwarf if we were enjoying casual conversation -- I'm always
                                                        curious and excited to meet people who have different experiences from my
                                                        own, but walking up to someone on the street and asking to take their
                                                        picture seems really rude.

                                                        I know that I will talk with people about this kind of stuff more quickly
                                                        than most other people. I think it's because I grew up in Baltimore, in
                                                        the Johns Hopkins community, and I was constantly around all kinds of
                                                        different people and they were my friends - so, of course, we talked about
                                                        what we had in common and what's different.

                                                        My theory is that people can tell whether you are comfortable about
                                                        discussing these things with them, and they interpret that comfort as a
                                                        friendly gesture of goodwill, so they are happy to talk with someone they
                                                        believe is genuinely interested and sympathetic.

                                                        Geoff

                                                        --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...>
                                                        wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > Hi T H,
                                                        > Â
                                                        > As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community
                                                        College. I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before
                                                        I was laid off in 2002. I have found good and bad supervisors with
                                                        regard to my visual impairement. I completely agree with Groff in that
                                                        you should first find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual
                                                        impairement easier to get over.
                                                        > Â
                                                        > It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm
                                                        people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your
                                                        job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the
                                                        impairement. I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the
                                                        beginning. This way people get to know me first as a person and then
                                                        they learn about my disability. In this way I am seen as a person with a
                                                        disability rather than as a disabled person. This may seem like
                                                        symantics, but I have found that if people know me first, then they are
                                                        usually more willing to get past the disability. This doesn't always
                                                        work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be open
                                                        to understanding. You have to find the approach that works best for you.
                                                        > Â
                                                        > For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after
                                                        meeting me that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out. This
                                                        means that I have "overcome" the disability.
                                                        > Â
                                                        > IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for
                                                        ZoomText, but by that point they already knew from my past experience that
                                                        I could do the job. One of my first assignments was to do a very manual
                                                        task on the computer. This involved copying data from one screen to
                                                        another and entering data that was quite tedious. After learning the
                                                        task, I became borred and realized that I could not do it as fast as
                                                        others, due to needing to read the data to input it. So, I created a
                                                        program that automated much of the manual effort. When I showed my
                                                        supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on more tasks and doing
                                                        the same with them. ONe of my early on tasks used to take about 2 days
                                                        for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do. After I
                                                        automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2
                                                        hours. One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that
                                                        she had not anticipated my disability
                                                        > being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of
                                                        these manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they
                                                        had never anticipated, much less in my first few months. I share this
                                                        just to give you an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn
                                                        them into assets. I have continued to create these efficiencies in my
                                                        current position and have become known throught the Community College
                                                        system here in Colorado and was even hired under contract to do some of
                                                        what I have done for my college at the College System to benefit them and
                                                        the other colleges.
                                                        > Â
                                                        > It has not always been easy. In fact, I truely believe that some of
                                                        the reason I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but
                                                        when I looked into it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could
                                                        hope for, if I wonl, was to get my job back and be working for the same
                                                        supervisor. He was one that just never understood and the culture was
                                                        such that everyone was being driven to their humanly possible limits.Â
                                                        This made it nearly impossible to compensate for my disability and I was
                                                        just not able to produce at the levels they wanted. Now, I understand
                                                        that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with top productivity from
                                                        everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours per week from me
                                                        to compensate. I'm enjoying life so much more working for a Community
                                                        College than for the corporate world. I only wish that I had discovered
                                                        this sooner. Again, I mention this to say it is so important to find a
                                                        job you enjoy and then you
                                                        > can overcome the other challenges much easier.
                                                        > Â
                                                        > I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not
                                                        pertinent to everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case
                                                        others had interest in this topic.
                                                        > Â
                                                        > Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help,
                                                        dont hesitate to e-mail me.
                                                        > Â
                                                        >
                                                        > Thank you,
                                                        > Have a Great Day!
                                                        >
                                                        > Karey Carbaugh
                                                        >
                                                        > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@...> wrote:
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                                                        > Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                                        second monitor
                                                        > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
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                                                        > Â
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending
                                                        college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I
                                                        access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes
                                                        this semester and this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly
                                                        explaining my low vision needs to people. I have had low visoin for
                                                        over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my
                                                        situation. I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day.Â
                                                        I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school.Â
                                                        How do I explain my situation to employers?
                                                        >
                                                        > --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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                                                        > From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
                                                        > Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                                        second monitor
                                                        > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                        > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
                                                        >
                                                        > Â
                                                        >
                                                        > Geoff,
                                                        > Â
                                                        > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
                                                        magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
                                                        magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to
                                                        use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a
                                                        little.
                                                        > Â
                                                        > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
                                                        Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on
                                                        this list.
                                                        > Â
                                                        > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work,
                                                        running ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility
                                                        and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and
                                                        the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged
                                                        "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act
                                                        as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both
                                                        screens. I love the first and last options I've described above, and
                                                        while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time,
                                                        having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do
                                                        it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with
                                                        only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!! And, the 1x
                                                        image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for
                                                        training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted
                                                        person can look at the second screen
                                                        > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me
                                                        something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on
                                                        the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one
                                                        of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what
                                                        I was missing!
                                                        >
                                                        > Thank you,
                                                        > Have a Great Day!
                                                        >
                                                        > Karey Carbaugh
                                                        >
                                                        > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
                                                        > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                                        second monitor
                                                        > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                        > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                                                        >
                                                        > Â
                                                        >
                                                        > Thanks for the heads up.
                                                        >
                                                        > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                                                        >
                                                        > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility.
                                                        200% to 300% would be plenty.
                                                        >
                                                        > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc.,
                                                        but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller
                                                        text.
                                                        >
                                                        > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes
                                                        and needs an assist.
                                                        >
                                                        > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his
                                                        ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on
                                                        the second screen.
                                                        >
                                                        > Geoff
                                                        >
                                                        > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Geoff,
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                                                        > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display
                                                        on
                                                        > > screen 2"
                                                        > >
                                                        > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                                                        > > provide cheap magnificication.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Shawn
                                                        > >
                                                        > > -----Original Message-----
                                                        > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro
                                                        ups.com] On
                                                        > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                                        > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                                        > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                        > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                                        > > second monitor
                                                        > >
                                                        > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is
                                                        a
                                                        > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                                        > > wrote:
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm
                                                        certainly
                                                        > > interested in additional suggestions.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > Geoff
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                                        > > www.aisquared. com and
                                                        > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > - Bas
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > -----Original Message-----
                                                        > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro
                                                        ups.com] On
                                                        > > Behalf Of hostricity
                                                        > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                                        > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                        > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                                        > > monitor
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > That's not what I want.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                                                        > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but
                                                        would
                                                        > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                                                        > > screen 1.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Thanks,
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Geoff
                                                        > >
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                                                        Thanks everyone (again) for a very interesting discussion. A little bit off topic but, given the current thoughts, something I thought you’d all be
                                                        Message 27 of 27 , Mar 2, 2010
                                                          Thanks everyone (again) for a very interesting discussion. A little bit off topic but, given the current thoughts, something I thought you’d all be interested in . . .

                                                          On the Ai Squared homepage you’ll see a video that advertises ZoomText but also includes a human interest element involving a man named Charlie Collins, one of our dealers. If you haven’t seen the video it’s on our homepage at http://www.aisquared.com/

                                                          The video was filmed and edited by a friend of mine, George Kachadorian, who also made an award winning documentary movie called “Shooting Beauty”. The movie addresses many of the themes we’re talking about here – in this case focusing on a group of folks with Cerebral Palsy whose lives and emotions are revealed through a photography project.

                                                          Here’s the trailer for the movie:

                                                          http://www.everyonedeservesashot.com/trailer.htm

                                                          Hopefully, it will come to your area or reach some wider distribution soon.



                                                          From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sherry Wells
                                                          Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:27 AM
                                                          To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                                          Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Random Thoughts on Disabilities


                                                          This has been a most interesting thread. I agree with Karey in that it is
                                                          best when possible to let someone, especially a potential employer, get to
                                                          know you before disclosing that you have a disability. I work as a
                                                          consultant so often have to interview for new assignments and travel to
                                                          new places. I find that people are genuinely interested in how we work on
                                                          the computer and get around. Most are reluctant to ask as they do not
                                                          want to be intrusive. Its nice when they do feel comfortable enough to
                                                          ask questions. I would be the same way with those with other
                                                          disabilities, the dwarf for example. As someone said, it is interesting
                                                          to learn about all sorts of different people.

                                                          The anecdote about people wanting to have their picture taken with the
                                                          dwarf reminds me of something that happened to me shortly after 911. I
                                                          was walking down the street and a total stranger came up to me and told
                                                          me how lucky I was not to be able to see the horrific tv images of the
                                                          twin towers burning and collapse. I was so surprised that I did not think
                                                          of a good response, just muttered something about not considering myself
                                                          particularly lucky in that regard. I'm still amazed someone would think
                                                          that way and also wonder at the incredible idiocy of going up to a dwarf
                                                          and asking to have your picture taken with him or her.

                                                          Regards,
                                                          Sherry Wells





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                                                          Karey said, "It is true that you have to be careful about how much you
                                                          overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how
                                                          you do your job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the
                                                          impairement. I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the
                                                          beginning. This way people get to know me first as a person and then they
                                                          learn about my disability. In this
                                                          way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled
                                                          person."

                                                          I agree. I do websites for political candidates. One of my candidates is a
                                                          dwarf. If he is elected judge, we think he will be the first dwarf in the
                                                          U. S. elected to the bench.

                                                          He is a great person and will likely beat two opponents in the Democratic
                                                          primary next week. The winner of the Democratic Primary will win in
                                                          November, barring something weird.

                                                          When I did his website, I told him that people should get to know him
                                                          first as a competent attorney and candidate. So, I had him do a short
                                                          video which we put up on the home page of his website. Once you get into
                                                          the website, it is obvious that he's a dwarf from the photos with other
                                                          political figures and the stuff he says about it in his biography. He's a
                                                          really strong candidate, so I don't know if the "get to know him first"
                                                          strategy actually made any difference, but he's winning and it didn't
                                                          hurt.

                                                          Here's something he told me I found really offensive. He and his wife let
                                                          it roll off their backs, but I know it is annoying to them and that they
                                                          have to put on a game face and be polite: They tell me that when they are
                                                          out in public, that it isn't uncommon for people to walk up to them and
                                                          ask if they can take their picture or have a picture taken with them. They
                                                          think the people want a picture of the "freaks", and I agree.

                                                          I was surprised that people would do that. If I were standing in line or
                                                          sitting next to one of them in a bar, I wouldn't hesitate talking to them
                                                          about being a dwarf if we were enjoying casual conversation -- I'm always
                                                          curious and excited to meet people who have different experiences from my
                                                          own, but walking up to someone on the street and asking to take their
                                                          picture seems really rude.

                                                          I know that I will talk with people about this kind of stuff more quickly
                                                          than most other people. I think it's because I grew up in Baltimore, in
                                                          the Johns Hopkins community, and I was constantly around all kinds of
                                                          different people and they were my friends - so, of course, we talked about
                                                          what we had in common and what's different.

                                                          My theory is that people can tell whether you are comfortable about
                                                          discussing these things with them, and they interpret that comfort as a
                                                          friendly gesture of goodwill, so they are happy to talk with someone they
                                                          believe is genuinely interested and sympathetic.

                                                          Geoff

                                                          --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com> , Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...>
                                                          wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          > Hi T H,
                                                          > Â
                                                          > As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community
                                                          College. I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before
                                                          I was laid off in 2002. I have found good and bad supervisors with
                                                          regard to my visual impairement. I completely agree with Groff in that
                                                          you should first find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual
                                                          impairement easier to get over.
                                                          > Â
                                                          > It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm
                                                          people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your
                                                          job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the
                                                          impairement. I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the
                                                          beginning. This way people get to know me first as a person and then
                                                          they learn about my disability. In this way I am seen as a person with a
                                                          disability rather than as a disabled person. This may seem like
                                                          symantics, but I have found that if people know me first, then they are
                                                          usually more willing to get past the disability. This doesn't always
                                                          work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be open
                                                          to understanding. You have to find the approach that works best for you.
                                                          > Â
                                                          > For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after
                                                          meeting me that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out. This
                                                          means that I have "overcome" the disability.
                                                          > Â
                                                          > IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for
                                                          ZoomText, but by that point they already knew from my past experience that
                                                          I could do the job. One of my first assignments was to do a very manual
                                                          task on the computer. This involved copying data from one screen to
                                                          another and entering data that was quite tedious. After learning the
                                                          task, I became borred and realized that I could not do it as fast as
                                                          others, due to needing to read the data to input it. So, I created a
                                                          program that automated much of the manual effort. When I showed my
                                                          supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on more tasks and doing
                                                          the same with them. ONe of my early on tasks used to take about 2 days
                                                          for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do. After I
                                                          automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2
                                                          hours. One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that
                                                          she had not anticipated my disability
                                                          > being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of
                                                          these manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they
                                                          had never anticipated, much less in my first few months. I share this
                                                          just to give you an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn
                                                          them into assets. I have continued to create these efficiencies in my
                                                          current position and have become known throught the Community College
                                                          system here in Colorado and was even hired under contract to do some of
                                                          what I have done for my college at the College System to benefit them and
                                                          the other colleges.
                                                          > Â
                                                          > It has not always been easy. In fact, I truely believe that some of
                                                          the reason I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but
                                                          when I looked into it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could
                                                          hope for, if I wonl, was to get my job back and be working for the same
                                                          supervisor. He was one that just never understood and the culture was
                                                          such that everyone was being driven to their humanly possible limits.Â
                                                          This made it nearly impossible to compensate for my disability and I was
                                                          just not able to produce at the levels they wanted. Now, I understand
                                                          that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with top productivity from
                                                          everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours per week from me
                                                          to compensate. I'm enjoying life so much more working for a Community
                                                          College than for the corporate world. I only wish that I had discovered
                                                          this sooner. Again, I mention this to say it is so important to find a
                                                          job you enjoy and then you
                                                          > can overcome the other challenges much easier.
                                                          > Â
                                                          > I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not
                                                          pertinent to everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case
                                                          others had interest in this topic.
                                                          > Â
                                                          > Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help,
                                                          dont hesitate to e-mail me.
                                                          > Â
                                                          >
                                                          > Thank you,
                                                          > Have a Great Day!
                                                          >
                                                          > Karey Carbaugh
                                                          >
                                                          > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@...> wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > From: T H <mrstish05@...>
                                                          > Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                                          second monitor
                                                          > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                          > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > Â
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending
                                                          college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I
                                                          access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes
                                                          this semester and this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly
                                                          explaining my low vision needs to people. I have had low visoin for
                                                          over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my
                                                          situation. I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day.Â
                                                          I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school.Â
                                                          How do I explain my situation to employers?
                                                          >
                                                          > --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          > From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
                                                          > Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                                          second monitor
                                                          > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                          > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
                                                          >
                                                          > Â
                                                          >
                                                          > Geoff,
                                                          > Â
                                                          > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
                                                          magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
                                                          magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to
                                                          use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a
                                                          little.
                                                          > Â
                                                          > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
                                                          Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on
                                                          this list.
                                                          > Â
                                                          > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work,
                                                          running ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility
                                                          and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and
                                                          the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged
                                                          "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act
                                                          as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both
                                                          screens. I love the first and last options I've described above, and
                                                          while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time,
                                                          having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do
                                                          it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with
                                                          only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!! And, the 1x
                                                          image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for
                                                          training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted
                                                          person can look at the second screen
                                                          > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me
                                                          something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on
                                                          the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one
                                                          of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what
                                                          I was missing!
                                                          >
                                                          > Thank you,
                                                          > Have a Great Day!
                                                          >
                                                          > Karey Carbaugh
                                                          >
                                                          > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
                                                          > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                                          second monitor
                                                          > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                          > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
                                                          >
                                                          > Â
                                                          >
                                                          > Thanks for the heads up.
                                                          >
                                                          > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
                                                          >
                                                          > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility.
                                                          200% to 300% would be plenty.
                                                          >
                                                          > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc.,
                                                          but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller
                                                          text.
                                                          >
                                                          > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes
                                                          and needs an assist.
                                                          >
                                                          > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his
                                                          ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on
                                                          the second screen.
                                                          >
                                                          > Geoff
                                                          >
                                                          > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Geoff,
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
                                                          > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display
                                                          on
                                                          > > screen 2"
                                                          > >
                                                          > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
                                                          > > provide cheap magnificication.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Shawn
                                                          > >
                                                          > > -----Original Message-----
                                                          > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro
                                                          ups.com] On
                                                          > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
                                                          > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
                                                          > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                          > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
                                                          > > second monitor
                                                          > >
                                                          > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is
                                                          a
                                                          > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
                                                          > > wrote:
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm
                                                          certainly
                                                          > > interested in additional suggestions.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Geoff
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
                                                          > > www.aisquared. com and
                                                          > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > - Bas
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > > -----Original Message-----
                                                          > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro
                                                          ups.com] On
                                                          > > Behalf Of hostricity
                                                          > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
                                                          > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
                                                          > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
                                                          > > monitor
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > That's not what I want.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
                                                          > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but
                                                          would
                                                          > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
                                                          > > screen 1.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Thanks,
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Geoff
                                                          > >
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