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  • Paul Smith
    Just wondering if I m the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0 package? ... -Paul AOL Instant Messenger/Yahoo Messenger screen names- PaulKTF
    Message 1 of 21 , May 27, 2003
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      Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0 package?
      :)


      -Paul

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    • Michael Wigle
      Beta 9 or the final release? We re running Beta 9 still here in the lab. Michael Wigle Computer Access Specialist Cincinnati Association for the Blind ...
      Message 2 of 21 , May 27, 2003
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        Beta 9 or the final release? We're running Beta 9 still here in the lab.

        Michael Wigle
        Computer Access Specialist
        Cincinnati Association for the Blind

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        Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0 package?
        :)


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      • Paul Smith
        Final release (I sent my payment for it in about a week before the release day) :) So far, I ve had no problems with it whatsoever. On Tue, 27 May 2003
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          Final release (I sent my payment for it in about a week before the
          release day) :)

          So far, I've had no problems with it whatsoever.

          On Tue, 27 May 2003 16:59:51 -0400, "Michael Wigle"
          <michaelwigle@...> wrote:

          >Beta 9 or the final release? We're running Beta 9 still here in the lab.
          >
          >Michael Wigle
          >Computer Access Specialist
          >Cincinnati Association for the Blind
          >
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          >Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0 package?
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        • Russell Green
          I am using zt8 trial (version 8.0.10.9 according to Help About). This is the current trial version (not a beta). I would also be interested in hearing about
          Message 4 of 21 , May 28, 2003
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            I am using zt8 trial (version 8.0.10.9 according to Help>About). This is
            the current trial version (not a beta).
            I would also be interested in hearing about others experiences with it. I
            have encountered a few bugs. The AppReader skips lines in emails in IE5 and
            in NoteTab (a text editor).

            I have also had Windows crash 4 times in the last week since I started using
            zt8 trial. The last two occasions Windows crashed the Screen Reader had
            just said "your are at end of line". I do not know if this is caused by
            zt8, but it did not happen with zt7.11.

            Russell


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
            To: <magnifiers@...>
            Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:33 AM
            Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?


            > Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0 package?
            > :)
            >
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            > -Paul
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          • Michael Wigle
            Which screenreader and version are you using? ZT 8 uses DCM technology which is the new way adaptive tech is going to play nice together on a system.
            Message 5 of 21 , May 28, 2003
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              Which screenreader and version are you using? ZT 8 uses DCM technology which
              is the new way adaptive tech is going to "play nice" together on a system.
              However, if you use a non-DCM adaptive tech package along with one that uses
              DCM you're lucky if you get just occassional crashes (I have to rebuild a
              machine because I forgot about it). Or are you referring to the the ZT
              speech saying you are at end of line?

              As a side note, I haven't played a whole lot with ZT 8 yet but I've seen it
              demoed and am happy with several improvements/fixes they've included.

              Michael Wigle
              Computer Access Specialist
              Cincinnati Association for the Blind

              ----Original Message Follows----
              From: "Russell Green" <russellgreen@...>

              I am using zt8 trial (version 8.0.10.9 according to Help>About). This is
              the current trial version (not a beta).
              I would also be interested in hearing about others experiences with it. I
              have encountered a few bugs. The AppReader skips lines in emails in IE5 and
              in NoteTab (a text editor).

              I have also had Windows crash 4 times in the last week since I started using
              zt8 trial. The last two occasions Windows crashed the Screen Reader had
              just said "your are at end of line". I do not know if this is caused by
              zt8, but it did not happen with zt7.11.

              Russell


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
              To: <magnifiers@...>
              Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:33 AM
              Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?


              > Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0 package?
              > :)
              >
              >
              > -Paul
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            • Russell Green
              I was referring to the screen reader in zt8. I used the Appreader to read your email and it reated some lines. Also when I start the Appreader it often
              Message 6 of 21 , May 28, 2003
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                I was referring to the screen reader in zt8. I used the Appreader to read
                your email and it reated some lines. Also when I start the Appreader it
                often immediately starts screen reading without first presening me with the
                Appreader pointer so I can select where to start.

                Russell


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Michael Wigle <michaelwigle@...>
                To: <magnifiers@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:39 PM
                Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?


                > Which screenreader and version are you using? ZT 8 uses DCM technology
                which
                > is the new way adaptive tech is going to "play nice" together on a system.
                > However, if you use a non-DCM adaptive tech package along with one that
                uses
                > DCM you're lucky if you get just occassional crashes (I have to rebuild a
                > machine because I forgot about it). Or are you referring to the the ZT
                > speech saying you are at end of line?
                >
                > As a side note, I haven't played a whole lot with ZT 8 yet but I've seen
                it
                > demoed and am happy with several improvements/fixes they've included.
                >
                > Michael Wigle
                > Computer Access Specialist
                > Cincinnati Association for the Blind
                >
                > ----Original Message Follows----
                > From: "Russell Green" <russellgreen@...>
                >
                > I am using zt8 trial (version 8.0.10.9 according to Help>About). This is
                > the current trial version (not a beta).
                > I would also be interested in hearing about others experiences with it. I
                > have encountered a few bugs. The AppReader skips lines in emails in IE5
                and
                > in NoteTab (a text editor).
                >
                > I have also had Windows crash 4 times in the last week since I started
                using
                > zt8 trial. The last two occasions Windows crashed the Screen Reader had
                > just said "your are at end of line". I do not know if this is caused by
                > zt8, but it did not happen with zt7.11.
                >
                > Russell
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
                > To: <magnifiers@...>
                > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:33 AM
                > Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                >
                >
                > > Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0
                package?
                > > :)
                > >
                > >
                > > -Paul
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              • cremsonsky@aol.com
                I didn t know that zoomtext 8.0 trial was released yet. I will have to download that soon. But I m quite happy with zoomtext 7.11 for now. [Non-text portions
                Message 7 of 21 , May 28, 2003
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                  I didn't know that zoomtext 8.0 trial was released yet. I will have to
                  download that soon. But I'm quite happy with zoomtext 7.11 for now.


                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                • Pete Nalda
                  I have to concurr here too on this. I just upgraded to 7.11 last year and so I can t justify coughing up more $$ for the new version just yet, when 7.11 does
                  Message 8 of 21 , May 28, 2003
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                    I have to concurr here too on this. I just upgraded to 7.11 last year
                    and so I can't justify coughing up more $$ for the new version just yet,
                    when 7.11 does work ok under XP.

                    I would be curious to know though if there were any feature differences
                    people thought were outstanding in the new version. System wide font
                    smoothing (regardless of color) would be really nice.

                    Egun On Lagunak (Basque for G'day, Mates)
                    Pete Nalda

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: cremsonsky@... [mailto:cremsonsky@...]
                    Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:50 AM
                    To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?


                    I didn't know that zoomtext 8.0 trial was released yet. I will have to
                    download that soon. But I'm quite happy with zoomtext 7.11 for now.


                    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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                  • Paul Smith
                    On Wed, 28 May 2003 10:32:54 -0500, Pete Nalda ... Well, to me AppReader is really great, and also useful... :) -Paul AOL Instant
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                      On Wed, 28 May 2003 10:32:54 -0500, "Pete Nalda" <nalda@...>
                      wrote:

                      >I have to concurr here too on this. I just upgraded to 7.11 last year
                      >and so I can't justify coughing up more $$ for the new version just yet,
                      >when 7.11 does work ok under XP.
                      >
                      >I would be curious to know though if there were any feature differences
                      >people thought were outstanding in the new version. System wide font
                      >smoothing (regardless of color) would be really nice.
                      >
                      >Egun On Lagunak (Basque for G'day, Mates)
                      >Pete Nalda

                      Well, to me AppReader is really great, and also useful... :)


                      -Paul

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                    • C.L.M. Toxopeus
                      Apart from the AppReader and the system wide color smoothing, I find the muse echo a major improvement for ZT. Than it is much easier to navigate the screen.
                      Message 10 of 21 , May 28, 2003
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                        Apart from the AppReader and the system wide color
                        smoothing, I find the muse echo a major improvement
                        for ZT. Than it is much easier to navigate the screen.

                        The only problem I found in ZT 8 is, that the
                        DocReader worsened in the new version.

                        greetings,

                        Kees

                        --- Paul Smith <pauls@...> wrote: > On Wed,
                        28 May 2003 10:32:54 -0500, "Pete Nalda"
                        > <nalda@...>
                        > wrote:
                        >
                        > >I have to concurr here too on this. I just
                        > upgraded to 7.11 last year
                        > >and so I can't justify coughing up more $$ for the
                        > new version just yet,
                        > >when 7.11 does work ok under XP.
                        > >
                        > >I would be curious to know though if there were any
                        > feature differences
                        > >people thought were outstanding in the new version.
                        > System wide font
                        > >smoothing (regardless of color) would be really
                        > nice.
                        > >
                        > >Egun On Lagunak (Basque for G'day, Mates)
                        > >Pete Nalda
                        >
                        > Well, to me AppReader is really great, and also
                        > useful... :)
                        >
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                      • cremsonsky@aol.com
                        Well some of the new features AiSquared got from the Freedom Scientific program called Magic 8.0. But hey if you got to take lessons from your competitors,
                        Message 11 of 21 , May 31, 2003
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                          Well some of the new features AiSquared got from the Freedom Scientific program called Magic 8.0. But hey if you got to take lessons from your competitors, then you gotta do whatcha gotta do right?
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                        • barbara kean
                          I am on pins and needles awaiting the list s or anyone in the know finally verdict about Zoomtext 8.0 now. I been reading all of the posts thus far and can not
                          Message 12 of 21 , Jun 4, 2003
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                            I'am on pins and needles awaiting the list's or anyone in the know finally
                            verdict about Zoomtext 8.0 now. I been reading all of the posts thus far and
                            can not get a clear enough view of the new Zt 8.0 in order to consider
                            buying it.Please,Peter what do you really think about it?

                            Barbie


                            >From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
                            >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                            >To: magnifiers@...
                            >Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                            >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:33:10 -0500
                            >
                            >Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0 package?
                            >:)
                            >
                            >
                            >-Paul
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                          • Yolanda Phelan
                            HI Barb ie you might be able to get hands on experience and questions answered at the convention. see you then. Landa ... From: barbara kean
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                              HI Barb ie
                              you might be able to get hands on experience and questions answered at the
                              convention.
                              see you then.
                              Landa

                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: barbara kean [mailto:barbiekean@...]
                              Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:43 AM
                              To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?


                              I'am on pins and needles awaiting the list's or anyone in the know finally
                              verdict about Zoomtext 8.0 now. I been reading all of the posts thus far and
                              can not get a clear enough view of the new Zt 8.0 in order to consider
                              buying it.Please,Peter what do you really think about it?

                              Barbie


                              >From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
                              >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                              >To: magnifiers@...
                              >Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                              >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:33:10 -0500
                              >
                              >Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0 package?
                              >:)
                              >
                              >
                              >-Paul
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                            • Peter Verhoeven
                              Hi Barbie, With the AppReader tool you can now read web page. Everything is read by you in the right order. You have several options the way the text is is
                              Message 14 of 21 , Jun 4, 2003
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                                Hi Barbie,

                                With the AppReader tool you can now read web page. Everything is read by
                                you in the right order. You have several options the way the text is is
                                presented on the screen in AppReader.

                                Now ZoomText has full color smoothing and this makes colored text much
                                more readable. There are some advanced color filter options available,
                                but they are difficult to use and I asked AiSquared for a wizard helping
                                people to use these color filters and a hotkey to cycle through several
                                color combinations.

                                Another good feature in ZT8 is mouse echo. If you move the mouse
                                everything that is beneath the mouse is spoken out. That makes
                                navigation sometimes much easier.

                                The quality of magnification is also better, including video clips.

                                But there are some remaining minor bugs and I think AiSquared shall
                                release some updates in the near future to fix them.
                                For example I have no problems to let my computer crahs by using
                                AppReader and in high magnification the highlighted text in AppReader is
                                outside my screen (so I see nothing).

                                As I already wrote before. The upgrade price is 33% of new price and
                                that is what I mention absurd expensive (20% is normal in software
                                industry).

                                Hope this helps.

                                Regards Peter Verhoeven

                                barbara kean wrote:
                                >
                                > I'am on pins and needles awaiting the list's or anyone in the know finally
                                > verdict about Zoomtext 8.0 now. I been reading all of the posts thus far and
                                > can not get a clear enough view of the new Zt 8.0 in order to consider
                                > buying it.Please,Peter what do you really think about it?
                                >
                                > Barbie
                                >
                                > >From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
                                > >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                > >To: magnifiers@...
                                > >Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                > >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:33:10 -0500
                                > >
                                > >Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0 package?
                                > >:)
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >-Paul
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                              • Ben Weiss
                                Peter: I appreciate your comments on ZoomText 8.0. We have worked very hard on this product and we are proud of what we have accomplished. We will continue
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                                  Peter:

                                  I appreciate your comments on ZoomText 8.0. We have worked very hard on
                                  this product and we are proud of what we have accomplished. We will
                                  continue to evolve ZoomText - we are just about to release our first
                                  maintenance version (8.01) and are already busy working on the second
                                  maintenance release. Please send me complete details of any bugs you
                                  run into and we will work to resolve these problems right away.

                                  I must take exception with one statement you've made concerning our
                                  upgrade pricing. You've said that the upgrade price of ZoomText is
                                  "absurdly expensive" and higher than the industry standard price.

                                  Our pricing reflects the work we put into designing, developing,
                                  documenting, testing and supporting this product. As you know the
                                  market for accessibility products is small and the effort required to
                                  produce a high quality product is quite large. We have a team of 5
                                  Software Developers, 2 QA Engineers, 2 Technical Writers and a Product
                                  Manager who have all worked on nothing other than this project for 2.5
                                  years.

                                  Also, keep in mind that we have a policy of providing free support and
                                  free maintenance releases to all registered users, whether they
                                  purchased a new ZoomText 8.0 product or if they upgrade to ZoomText 8.0.
                                  Registered users will be able to download the 8.01 release from our
                                  website sometime next week - for free. We are committed to providing
                                  these maintenance releases whenever needed. Looking back on our track
                                  record, with ZoomText 7.0 we provided 6 maintenance releases over a 20
                                  month period - all for free.

                                  You also mentioned that our upgrade pricing is above "industry
                                  standards". If there is a standards committee that establishes
                                  guidelines for software upgrade pricing, I am unaware of it. I just did
                                  some research this morning on the web and found the following pricing,
                                  that suggests ZoomText 8.0 upgrade is actually priced below average.

                                  Adobe Acrobat Pro
                                  * new product: $449
                                  * upgrade: $149
                                  * upgrade as a percentage of new product: 33%

                                  Macromedia Flash MX
                                  * new product: $499
                                  * upgrade: $199
                                  * upgrade as a percentage of new product: 40%

                                  QuickBooks Pro
                                  * new product: $299.95
                                  * upgrade: $179.95
                                  * upgrade as a percentage of new product: 60%

                                  ZoomText 8.0 Magnifier/ScreenReader
                                  * new product: $595
                                  * upgrade: $199
                                  * upgrade as a percentage of new product: 33%

                                  I'd be glad to discuss this with you further, if you desire. And thanks
                                  again for all the fine work you do in providing information to the
                                  low-vision community. Your efforts over the years have really made a
                                  difference.

                                  Ben Weiss
                                  President, Ai Squared



                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: Peter Verhoeven [mailto:pav@...]
                                  Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 2:07 AM
                                  To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?

                                  Hi Barbie,

                                  With the AppReader tool you can now read web page. Everything is read by
                                  you in the right order. You have several options the way the text is is
                                  presented on the screen in AppReader.

                                  Now ZoomText has full color smoothing and this makes colored text much
                                  more readable. There are some advanced color filter options available,
                                  but they are difficult to use and I asked AiSquared for a wizard helping
                                  people to use these color filters and a hotkey to cycle through several
                                  color combinations.

                                  Another good feature in ZT8 is mouse echo. If you move the mouse
                                  everything that is beneath the mouse is spoken out. That makes
                                  navigation sometimes much easier.

                                  The quality of magnification is also better, including video clips.

                                  But there are some remaining minor bugs and I think AiSquared shall
                                  release some updates in the near future to fix them.
                                  For example I have no problems to let my computer crahs by using
                                  AppReader and in high magnification the highlighted text in AppReader is
                                  outside my screen (so I see nothing).

                                  As I already wrote before. The upgrade price is 33% of new price and
                                  that is what I mention absurd expensive (20% is normal in software
                                  industry).

                                  Hope this helps.

                                  Regards Peter Verhoeven

                                  barbara kean wrote:
                                  >
                                  > I'am on pins and needles awaiting the list's or anyone in the know
                                  finally
                                  > verdict about Zoomtext 8.0 now. I been reading all of the posts thus
                                  far and
                                  > can not get a clear enough view of the new Zt 8.0 in order to consider
                                  > buying it.Please,Peter what do you really think about it?
                                  >
                                  > Barbie
                                  >
                                  > >From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
                                  > >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                  > >To: magnifiers@...
                                  > >Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                  > >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:33:10 -0500
                                  > >
                                  > >Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0
                                  package?
                                  > >:)
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >-Paul
                                  > >
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                                • Peter Verhoeven
                                  Hi Ben, You send your comments on absurd upgrade pricing to the listing. I appriciate that very much. I think most of your arguements are very properly if we
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                                    Hi Ben,

                                    You send your comments on "absurd upgrade pricing" to the listing.
                                    I appriciate that very much.
                                    I think most of your arguements are very properly if we look at the
                                    history of version 7.

                                    But what is your comment on product upgrade prices of comptitive
                                    companies?
                                    For example at http://www.dolphinuk.co.uk/order/us_pricing.asp
                                    (Lunarplus $120, Lunar $80).

                                    I know that AiSquared is not a not profit organization and I also know,
                                    tat companies in the AT industry extremely must invest in researching.
                                    One of the reasons is, that Microsoft badly communicates with the AT
                                    industry and that third parties like Xitrix come with products that are
                                    completely inaccessible.

                                    Provision and MAGic were the first screen magnifiers running on the NT
                                    platform price $995. After AiSquared add NT support in ZoomText and
                                    didn't raise the price Freedom Scientific drops the price to $595.
                                    Now MAGic, Lunar and ZoomText all cost $395 in the USA. Lunarplus, MAGic
                                    with speech and ZoomText magnifier / screen reader cost $595.

                                    At this moment only upgrade prices differ. I only can say, that I do not
                                    hope that 33% becomes the new standard.

                                    I also understand that 20% or 33% does not say much. Most important is,
                                    how many free updates you get. I also see upgrades that cost 20% that
                                    only include bug fixes.
                                    Regards Peter Verhoeven

                                    Ben Weiss wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Peter:
                                    >
                                    > I appreciate your comments on ZoomText 8.0. We have worked very hard on
                                    > this product and we are proud of what we have accomplished. We will
                                    > continue to evolve ZoomText - we are just about to release our first
                                    > maintenance version (8.01) and are already busy working on the second
                                    > maintenance release. Please send me complete details of any bugs you
                                    > run into and we will work to resolve these problems right away.
                                    >
                                    > I must take exception with one statement you've made concerning our
                                    > upgrade pricing. You've said that the upgrade price of ZoomText is
                                    > "absurdly expensive" and higher than the industry standard price.
                                    >
                                    > Our pricing reflects the work we put into designing, developing,
                                    > documenting, testing and supporting this product. As you know the
                                    > market for accessibility products is small and the effort required to
                                    > produce a high quality product is quite large. We have a team of 5
                                    > Software Developers, 2 QA Engineers, 2 Technical Writers and a Product
                                    > Manager who have all worked on nothing other than this project for 2.5
                                    > years.
                                    >
                                    > Also, keep in mind that we have a policy of providing free support and
                                    > free maintenance releases to all registered users, whether they
                                    > purchased a new ZoomText 8.0 product or if they upgrade to ZoomText 8.0.
                                    > Registered users will be able to download the 8.01 release from our
                                    > website sometime next week - for free. We are committed to providing
                                    > these maintenance releases whenever needed. Looking back on our track
                                    > record, with ZoomText 7.0 we provided 6 maintenance releases over a 20
                                    > month period - all for free.
                                    >
                                    > You also mentioned that our upgrade pricing is above "industry
                                    > standards". If there is a standards committee that establishes
                                    > guidelines for software upgrade pricing, I am unaware of it. I just did
                                    > some research this morning on the web and found the following pricing,
                                    > that suggests ZoomText 8.0 upgrade is actually priced below average.
                                    >
                                    > Adobe Acrobat Pro
                                    > * new product: $449
                                    > * upgrade: $149
                                    > * upgrade as a percentage of new product: 33%
                                    >
                                    > Macromedia Flash MX
                                    > * new product: $499
                                    > * upgrade: $199
                                    > * upgrade as a percentage of new product: 40%
                                    >
                                    > QuickBooks Pro
                                    > * new product: $299.95
                                    > * upgrade: $179.95
                                    > * upgrade as a percentage of new product: 60%
                                    >
                                    > ZoomText 8.0 Magnifier/ScreenReader
                                    > * new product: $595
                                    > * upgrade: $199
                                    > * upgrade as a percentage of new product: 33%
                                    >
                                    > I'd be glad to discuss this with you further, if you desire. And thanks
                                    > again for all the fine work you do in providing information to the
                                    > low-vision community. Your efforts over the years have really made a
                                    > difference.
                                    >
                                    > Ben Weiss
                                    > President, Ai Squared
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                    > From: Peter Verhoeven [mailto:pav@...]
                                    > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 2:07 AM
                                    > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                    >
                                    > Hi Barbie,
                                    >
                                    > With the AppReader tool you can now read web page. Everything is read by
                                    > you in the right order. You have several options the way the text is is
                                    > presented on the screen in AppReader.
                                    >
                                    > Now ZoomText has full color smoothing and this makes colored text much
                                    > more readable. There are some advanced color filter options available,
                                    > but they are difficult to use and I asked AiSquared for a wizard helping
                                    > people to use these color filters and a hotkey to cycle through several
                                    > color combinations.
                                    >
                                    > Another good feature in ZT8 is mouse echo. If you move the mouse
                                    > everything that is beneath the mouse is spoken out. That makes
                                    > navigation sometimes much easier.
                                    >
                                    > The quality of magnification is also better, including video clips.
                                    >
                                    > But there are some remaining minor bugs and I think AiSquared shall
                                    > release some updates in the near future to fix them.
                                    > For example I have no problems to let my computer crahs by using
                                    > AppReader and in high magnification the highlighted text in AppReader is
                                    > outside my screen (so I see nothing).
                                    >
                                    > As I already wrote before. The upgrade price is 33% of new price and
                                    > that is what I mention absurd expensive (20% is normal in software
                                    > industry).
                                    >
                                    > Hope this helps.
                                    >
                                    > Regards Peter Verhoeven
                                    >
                                    > barbara kean wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > I'am on pins and needles awaiting the list's or anyone in the know
                                    > finally
                                    > > verdict about Zoomtext 8.0 now. I been reading all of the posts thus
                                    > far and
                                    > > can not get a clear enough view of the new Zt 8.0 in order to consider
                                    > > buying it.Please,Peter what do you really think about it?
                                    > >
                                    > > Barbie
                                    > >
                                    > > >From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
                                    > > >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > >To: magnifiers@...
                                    > > >Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                    > > >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:33:10 -0500
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0
                                    > package?
                                    > > >:)
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >-Paul
                                    > > >
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                                  • barbara kean
                                    Yes,thanks...this has helped me.Now I have to find someone in my area who sells them.Peter,is my ZT extra 7.01 too old to upgrade? I have not been keeping up
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                                      Yes,thanks...this has helped me.Now I have to find someone in my area who
                                      sells them.Peter,is my ZT extra 7.01 too old to upgrade? I have not been
                                      keeping up with the upgrades at all.I guess that I will just have to buy an
                                      entir new Zt.

                                      Barbie


                                      >From: Peter Verhoeven <pav@...>
                                      >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                      >To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                      >Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                      >Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 08:07:03 +0200
                                      >
                                      >Hi Barbie,
                                      >
                                      >With the AppReader tool you can now read web page. Everything is read by
                                      >you in the right order. You have several options the way the text is is
                                      >presented on the screen in AppReader.
                                      >
                                      >Now ZoomText has full color smoothing and this makes colored text much
                                      >more readable. There are some advanced color filter options available,
                                      >but they are difficult to use and I asked AiSquared for a wizard helping
                                      >people to use these color filters and a hotkey to cycle through several
                                      >color combinations.
                                      >
                                      >Another good feature in ZT8 is mouse echo. If you move the mouse
                                      >everything that is beneath the mouse is spoken out. That makes
                                      >navigation sometimes much easier.
                                      >
                                      >The quality of magnification is also better, including video clips.
                                      >
                                      >But there are some remaining minor bugs and I think AiSquared shall
                                      >release some updates in the near future to fix them.
                                      >For example I have no problems to let my computer crahs by using
                                      >AppReader and in high magnification the highlighted text in AppReader is
                                      >outside my screen (so I see nothing).
                                      >
                                      >As I already wrote before. The upgrade price is 33% of new price and
                                      >that is what I mention absurd expensive (20% is normal in software
                                      >industry).
                                      >
                                      >Hope this helps.
                                      >
                                      >Regards Peter Verhoeven
                                      >
                                      >barbara kean wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > I'am on pins and needles awaiting the list's or anyone in the know
                                      >finally
                                      > > verdict about Zoomtext 8.0 now. I been reading all of the posts thus far
                                      >and
                                      > > can not get a clear enough view of the new Zt 8.0 in order to consider
                                      > > buying it.Please,Peter what do you really think about it?
                                      > >
                                      > > Barbie
                                      > >
                                      > > >From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
                                      > > >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > >To: magnifiers@...
                                      > > >Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                      > > >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:33:10 -0500
                                      > > >
                                      > > >Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0
                                      >package?
                                      > > >:)
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >-Paul
                                      > > >
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                                    • barbara kean
                                      Yolanda,thanks....I will be seeing you there. Barbie ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail
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                                        Yolanda,thanks....I will be seeing you there.
                                        Barbie


                                        >From: "Yolanda Phelan" <phelanl001@...>
                                        >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                        >To: <magnifiers@yahoogroups.com>
                                        >Subject: RE: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                        >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:01:42 -1000
                                        >
                                        >HI Barb ie
                                        >you might be able to get hands on experience and questions answered at the
                                        >convention.
                                        >see you then.
                                        >Landa
                                        >
                                        >-----Original Message-----
                                        >From: barbara kean [mailto:barbiekean@...]
                                        >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:43 AM
                                        >To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                        >Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >I'am on pins and needles awaiting the list's or anyone in the know finally
                                        >verdict about Zoomtext 8.0 now. I been reading all of the posts thus far
                                        >and
                                        >can not get a clear enough view of the new Zt 8.0 in order to consider
                                        >buying it.Please,Peter what do you really think about it?
                                        >
                                        >Barbie
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > >From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
                                        > >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                        > >To: magnifiers@...
                                        > >Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                        > >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:33:10 -0500
                                        > >
                                        > >Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0 package?
                                        > >:)
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                                        > >
                                        > >-Paul
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                                      • Peter Verhoeven
                                        Hi Barbie, You can upgrade from any ZoomText version for the same price. Upgrade from any ZoomText to ZoomText 8 magnifier $149. Upgrade from zoomText level 2
                                        Message 19 of 21 , Jun 12, 2003
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                                          Hi Barbie,

                                          You can upgrade from any ZoomText version for the same price.
                                          Upgrade from any ZoomText to ZoomText 8 magnifier $149. Upgrade from
                                          zoomText level 2 v6 or higher for $199.
                                          Note that ZT6 level 2 was the first version with speech.

                                          Regards Peter Verhoeven


                                          barbara kean wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Yes,thanks...this has helped me.Now I have to find someone in my area who
                                          > sells them.Peter,is my ZT extra 7.01 too old to upgrade? I have not been
                                          > keeping up with the upgrades at all.I guess that I will just have to buy an
                                          > entir new Zt.
                                          >
                                          > Barbie
                                          >
                                          > >From: Peter Verhoeven <pav@...>
                                          > >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                          > >To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                          > >Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                          > >Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 08:07:03 +0200
                                          > >
                                          > >Hi Barbie,
                                          > >
                                          > >With the AppReader tool you can now read web page. Everything is read by
                                          > >you in the right order. You have several options the way the text is is
                                          > >presented on the screen in AppReader.
                                          > >
                                          > >Now ZoomText has full color smoothing and this makes colored text much
                                          > >more readable. There are some advanced color filter options available,
                                          > >but they are difficult to use and I asked AiSquared for a wizard helping
                                          > >people to use these color filters and a hotkey to cycle through several
                                          > >color combinations.
                                          > >
                                          > >Another good feature in ZT8 is mouse echo. If you move the mouse
                                          > >everything that is beneath the mouse is spoken out. That makes
                                          > >navigation sometimes much easier.
                                          > >
                                          > >The quality of magnification is also better, including video clips.
                                          > >
                                          > >But there are some remaining minor bugs and I think AiSquared shall
                                          > >release some updates in the near future to fix them.
                                          > >For example I have no problems to let my computer crahs by using
                                          > >AppReader and in high magnification the highlighted text in AppReader is
                                          > >outside my screen (so I see nothing).
                                          > >
                                          > >As I already wrote before. The upgrade price is 33% of new price and
                                          > >that is what I mention absurd expensive (20% is normal in software
                                          > >industry).
                                          > >
                                          > >Hope this helps.
                                          > >
                                          > >Regards Peter Verhoeven
                                          > >
                                          > >barbara kean wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > I'am on pins and needles awaiting the list's or anyone in the know
                                          > >finally
                                          > > > verdict about Zoomtext 8.0 now. I been reading all of the posts thus far
                                          > >and
                                          > > > can not get a clear enough view of the new Zt 8.0 in order to consider
                                          > > > buying it.Please,Peter what do you really think about it?
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Barbie
                                          > > >
                                          > > > >From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
                                          > > > >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > >To: magnifiers@...
                                          > > > >Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                          > > > >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:33:10 -0500
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0
                                          > >package?
                                          > > > >:)
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >-Paul
                                          > > > >
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                                        • barbara kean
                                          Thanks,you are so helpful. Barbie ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months
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                                            Thanks,you are so helpful.
                                            Barbie


                                            >From: Peter Verhoeven <pav@...>
                                            >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                            >To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                            >Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                            >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:00:19 +0200
                                            >
                                            >Hi Barbie,
                                            >
                                            >You can upgrade from any ZoomText version for the same price.
                                            >Upgrade from any ZoomText to ZoomText 8 magnifier $149. Upgrade from
                                            >zoomText level 2 v6 or higher for $199.
                                            >Note that ZT6 level 2 was the first version with speech.
                                            >
                                            >Regards Peter Verhoeven
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >barbara kean wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > Yes,thanks...this has helped me.Now I have to find someone in my area
                                            >who
                                            > > sells them.Peter,is my ZT extra 7.01 too old to upgrade? I have not been
                                            > > keeping up with the upgrades at all.I guess that I will just have to buy
                                            >an
                                            > > entir new Zt.
                                            > >
                                            > > Barbie
                                            > >
                                            > > >From: Peter Verhoeven <pav@...>
                                            > > >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > >To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > >Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                            > > >Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 08:07:03 +0200
                                            > > >
                                            > > >Hi Barbie,
                                            > > >
                                            > > >With the AppReader tool you can now read web page. Everything is read
                                            >by
                                            > > >you in the right order. You have several options the way the text is is
                                            > > >presented on the screen in AppReader.
                                            > > >
                                            > > >Now ZoomText has full color smoothing and this makes colored text much
                                            > > >more readable. There are some advanced color filter options available,
                                            > > >but they are difficult to use and I asked AiSquared for a wizard
                                            >helping
                                            > > >people to use these color filters and a hotkey to cycle through several
                                            > > >color combinations.
                                            > > >
                                            > > >Another good feature in ZT8 is mouse echo. If you move the mouse
                                            > > >everything that is beneath the mouse is spoken out. That makes
                                            > > >navigation sometimes much easier.
                                            > > >
                                            > > >The quality of magnification is also better, including video clips.
                                            > > >
                                            > > >But there are some remaining minor bugs and I think AiSquared shall
                                            > > >release some updates in the near future to fix them.
                                            > > >For example I have no problems to let my computer crahs by using
                                            > > >AppReader and in high magnification the highlighted text in AppReader
                                            >is
                                            > > >outside my screen (so I see nothing).
                                            > > >
                                            > > >As I already wrote before. The upgrade price is 33% of new price and
                                            > > >that is what I mention absurd expensive (20% is normal in software
                                            > > >industry).
                                            > > >
                                            > > >Hope this helps.
                                            > > >
                                            > > >Regards Peter Verhoeven
                                            > > >
                                            > > >barbara kean wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > I'am on pins and needles awaiting the list's or anyone in the know
                                            > > >finally
                                            > > > > verdict about Zoomtext 8.0 now. I been reading all of the posts thus
                                            >far
                                            > > >and
                                            > > > > can not get a clear enough view of the new Zt 8.0 in order to
                                            >consider
                                            > > > > buying it.Please,Peter what do you really think about it?
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Barbie
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > >From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
                                            > > > > >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > > >To: magnifiers@...
                                            > > > > >Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                            > > > > >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:33:10 -0500
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0
                                            > > >package?
                                            > > > > >:)
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >-Paul
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >AOL Instant Messenger/Yahoo Messenger screen names- PaulKTF
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > _________________________________________________________________
                                            > > > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
                                            > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > The Screen Magnifiers Homepage
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > http://www.magnifiers.org
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > To Post a message, send it to: magnifiers@...
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to:
                                            > > >magnifiers-unsubscribe@...
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                                            > >
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                                          • Yolanda Phelan
                                            Barbie it is the American printing House. see you in Kentucky Landa ... From: barbara kean [mailto:barbiekean@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:53
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                                              Barbie
                                              it is the American printing House.
                                              see you in Kentucky
                                              Landa

                                              -----Original Message-----
                                              From: barbara kean [mailto:barbiekean@...]
                                              Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:53 AM
                                              To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?


                                              Thanks,you are so helpful.
                                              Barbie


                                              >From: Peter Verhoeven <pav@...>
                                              >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                              >To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                              >Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                              >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:00:19 +0200
                                              >
                                              >Hi Barbie,
                                              >
                                              >You can upgrade from any ZoomText version for the same price.
                                              >Upgrade from any ZoomText to ZoomText 8 magnifier $149. Upgrade from
                                              >zoomText level 2 v6 or higher for $199.
                                              >Note that ZT6 level 2 was the first version with speech.
                                              >
                                              >Regards Peter Verhoeven
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >barbara kean wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > Yes,thanks...this has helped me.Now I have to find someone in my area
                                              >who
                                              > > sells them.Peter,is my ZT extra 7.01 too old to upgrade? I have not been
                                              > > keeping up with the upgrades at all.I guess that I will just have to buy
                                              >an
                                              > > entir new Zt.
                                              > >
                                              > > Barbie
                                              > >
                                              > > >From: Peter Verhoeven <pav@...>
                                              > > >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > >To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > >Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                              > > >Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 08:07:03 +0200
                                              > > >
                                              > > >Hi Barbie,
                                              > > >
                                              > > >With the AppReader tool you can now read web page. Everything is read
                                              >by
                                              > > >you in the right order. You have several options the way the text is is
                                              > > >presented on the screen in AppReader.
                                              > > >
                                              > > >Now ZoomText has full color smoothing and this makes colored text much
                                              > > >more readable. There are some advanced color filter options available,
                                              > > >but they are difficult to use and I asked AiSquared for a wizard
                                              >helping
                                              > > >people to use these color filters and a hotkey to cycle through several
                                              > > >color combinations.
                                              > > >
                                              > > >Another good feature in ZT8 is mouse echo. If you move the mouse
                                              > > >everything that is beneath the mouse is spoken out. That makes
                                              > > >navigation sometimes much easier.
                                              > > >
                                              > > >The quality of magnification is also better, including video clips.
                                              > > >
                                              > > >But there are some remaining minor bugs and I think AiSquared shall
                                              > > >release some updates in the near future to fix them.
                                              > > >For example I have no problems to let my computer crahs by using
                                              > > >AppReader and in high magnification the highlighted text in AppReader
                                              >is
                                              > > >outside my screen (so I see nothing).
                                              > > >
                                              > > >As I already wrote before. The upgrade price is 33% of new price and
                                              > > >that is what I mention absurd expensive (20% is normal in software
                                              > > >industry).
                                              > > >
                                              > > >Hope this helps.
                                              > > >
                                              > > >Regards Peter Verhoeven
                                              > > >
                                              > > >barbara kean wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > I'am on pins and needles awaiting the list's or anyone in the know
                                              > > >finally
                                              > > > > verdict about Zoomtext 8.0 now. I been reading all of the posts thus
                                              >far
                                              > > >and
                                              > > > > can not get a clear enough view of the new Zt 8.0 in order to
                                              >consider
                                              > > > > buying it.Please,Peter what do you really think about it?
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Barbie
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > >From: Paul Smith <pauls@...>
                                              > > > > >Reply-To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > > > >To: magnifiers@...
                                              > > > > >Subject: [magnifiers] Anyone using ZoomText 8.0 final?
                                              > > > > >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:33:10 -0500
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >Just wondering if I'm the first to have gotten the ZoomText 8.0
                                              > > >package?
                                              > > > > >:)
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >-Paul
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >AOL Instant Messenger/Yahoo Messenger screen names- PaulKTF
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > _________________________________________________________________
                                              > > > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
                                              > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > The Screen Magnifiers Homepage
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > http://www.magnifiers.org
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > To Post a message, send it to: magnifiers@...
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to:
                                              > > >magnifiers-unsubscribe@...
                                              > > > >
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                                              > > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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                                              > >
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