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  • Leslie P Peterson
    Peter, Yours and mine are much same that I read 8x-12x, depend my vision moods. I just wonder about the color and b/w text. NOTE: I never think about it but
    Message 1 of 18 , Jun 27, 2002
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      Peter,

      Yours and mine are much same that I read 8x-12x, depend my vision moods.

      I just wonder about the color and b/w text. NOTE: I never think about it
      but just wonder) Color causes more jerky than B/W??? Non-sense??

      Leslie--
      On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:07:48 +0200 Peter Verhoeven <pav@...> writes:
      > Hi John,
      >
      > I think it is because I need a high magnification. My screen
      > magnifier is
      > set to 10x magnification. That means that a word like magnification
      > does
      > not fit on a 21" screen. Only the characters magnifica fit on the
      > screen.
      > So I must read this word like reading a line by someone who has a
      > good
      > vision. If a line scrolls automatically on my screen I do not have
      > to move
      > my eyes. I only have to look at one area on the screen and try to
      > create a
      > word from the passing characters.
      > The reason that I can not read word-by-word is exactly the same
      > motivation
      > why people with normal vision should read faster. One word means one
      > line
      > for me. Do you understand my point?
      >
      > Regards Peter Verhoeven
      >
      > At 11:01 27-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
      > >Hi Peter,
      > >
      > >You are the first person who said they have difficulty in
      > >reading text presented word by word. Everybody else who has tried
      > >it has found that they can read faster because they don't have
      > >to scan along a line and then go back to the next line. Also
      > >they can choose the size of text and the font. And some people
      > >like text and background in particular colours. You have a
      > >lot of flexibility with word-by-word presentation.
      > >
      > >But the basic reason why you can read faster is because the
      > >brain is adapted to serial presentation for speech. It is
      > >more NATURAL to read text presented a word at a time than to
      > >read text on a printed page! Psychologically it is as if the
      > >screen is reading to you. Experiments with university students
      > >has shown that they can read on average about three times faster
      > >than off the printed page, with equivalent comprehension.
      > >
      > >You can adjust the speed over a wide range, when WordAloud will
      > >present each word for a time which is varies according to the
      > >length of the word. You can alternatively step through the
      > >words manually, using the right cursor key at "word level".
      > >
      > >BTW, WordAloud can be operated entirely from the keyboard.
      > >In text mode you can change the speed, using capital Q to increase
      > >the speed (Q for Quick), or lower case q to reduce the speed.
      > >
      > >So why is it that you find you "can not read text if it is
      > presented
      > >word-by-word", Peter? What is your particular problem?
      > >I am most puzzled.
      > >
      > >Regards,
      > >
      > >John
      > >--
      > >In message <5.1.0.14.1.20020625144536.00a4c6e0@...>
      > >Peter Verhoeven writes:
      > >
      > > >Hi John,
      > > >
      > > >Sorry, but sluggish mouse movement has not only to do with
      > reading text.
      > > >If mouse movement is sluggish it is difficult to move the mouse
      > to a
      > > >button, a hyperlink etc. Personaly I can not read text if it is
      > presented
      > > >word-by-word. I prefer a scrolling line with speech support, like
      > I can do
      > > >in ZoomText and LunarPlus.
      > > >Regards Peter Verhoeven
      > >
      > > >At 12:15 25-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
      > > >>Hi Russell,
      > > >>
      > > >>If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the
      > magnifier
      > > >>around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words
      > are
      > > displayed
      > > >>across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough
      > vision to be
      > > >>able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move
      > your eyes
      > > >>at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and
      > that may
      > > >>be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can
      > read off
      > > >>a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600
      > words per
      > > >>minute with this kind of display.
      > > >>
      > > >>You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation
      > version
      > > >>from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
      > > >>For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change
      > the
      > > >>mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the
      > magnification,
      > > >>colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.
      > > >>
      > > >>There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
      > > >>Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
      > > >>you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
      > > >>the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.
      > > >>
      > > >>BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It
      > runs
      > > >>happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
      > > >>W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95
      > UKP
      > > >>plus VAT in UK).
      > > >>
      > > >>Regards,
      > > >>
      > > >>John
      > > >>--
      > > >>In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...>
      > Leslie P
      > > >>Peterson writes:
      > > >> >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more
      > smooth. It
      > > >> >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is
      > more
      > > >> >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with
      > speech or and
      > > >> >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or
      > processor works.
      > > >> >
      > > >> >Leslie--
      > > >> >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
      > > >> ><russellgreen@...> writes:
      > > >> >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in
      > jerky steps
      > > >> >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very
      > difficult.
      > > >> >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much
      > smoother.
      > > >> >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic
      > is normal
      > > >> >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
      > > >> >>
      > > >> >> Russell Green
      > > >> >> russellgreen@...
      > > >>
      > > >>--
      > > >>Access the word, access the world! -- Try our WordAloud
      > software!!
      > > >>
      > > >>John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
      > > >>Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
      > > >>Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
      > > >>Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >>The Screen Magnifiers Homepage
      > > >>
      > > >>http://www.magnifiers.org
      > > >>
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      > >John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
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    • Michael Wigle
      I just wanted to break in for a minute. There are a varitey of eye conditions that would make it very difficult to read one word flashed on a screen at a time.
      Message 2 of 18 , Jun 29, 2002
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        I just wanted to break in for a minute. There are a varitey of eye
        conditions that would make it very difficult to read one word flashed on a
        screen at a time. There are eye conditions that will leave a person with
        random blind spots scattered throughout their field of view. Scrolling text
        allows what they are reading to scroll in and out of their vision. Also,
        people with central vision loss often find themselves reading text in
        various parts of the screen by moving their head slightly as text scrolls.
        However, I'm sure there are people who would benefit from seeing one word at
        a time flashed on a screen. Mind you, ZoomText can be set up to scroll and
        flash one word at a time as well by changing the DocReader settings to
        ticker tape scrolling centered.

        Michael Wigle
        Computer Access Specialist
        Cincinnati Association for the Blind

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        Hi Peter,

        You are the first person who said they have difficulty in
        reading text presented word by word. Everybody else who has tried
        it has found that they can read faster because they don't have
        to scan along a line and then go back to the next line. Also
        they can choose the size of text and the font. And some people
        like text and background in particular colours. You have a
        lot of flexibility with word-by-word presentation.

        But the basic reason why you can read faster is because the
        brain is adapted to serial presentation for speech. It is
        more NATURAL to read text presented a word at a time than to
        read text on a printed page! Psychologically it is as if the
        screen is reading to you. Experiments with university students
        has shown that they can read on average about three times faster
        than off the printed page, with equivalent comprehension.

        You can adjust the speed over a wide range, when WordAloud will
        present each word for a time which is varies according to the
        length of the word. You can alternatively step through the
        words manually, using the right cursor key at "word level".

        BTW, WordAloud can be operated entirely from the keyboard.
        In text mode you can change the speed, using capital Q to increase
        the speed (Q for Quick), or lower case q to reduce the speed.

        So why is it that you find you "can not read text if it is presented
        word-by-word", Peter? What is your particular problem?
        I am most puzzled.

        Regards,

        John
        --
        In message <5.1.0.14.1.20020625144536.00a4c6e0@...>
        Peter Verhoeven writes:

        >Hi John,
        >
        >Sorry, but sluggish mouse movement has not only to do with reading text.
        >If mouse movement is sluggish it is difficult to move the mouse to a
        >button, a hyperlink etc. Personaly I can not read text if it is presented
        >word-by-word. I prefer a scrolling line with speech support, like I can do
        >in ZoomText and LunarPlus.
        >Regards Peter Verhoeven

        >At 12:15 25-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
        >>Hi Russell,
        >>
        >>If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the magnifier
        >>around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words are
        displayed
        >>across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough vision to be
        >>able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move your
        eyes
        >>at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and that may
        >>be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can read off
        >>a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600 words per
        >>minute with this kind of display.
        >>
        >>You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation version
        >>from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
        >>For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change the
        >>mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the magnification,
        >>colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.
        >>
        >>There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
        >>Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
        >>you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
        >>the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.
        >>
        >>BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It runs
        >>happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
        >>W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95 UKP
        >>plus VAT in UK).
        >>
        >>Regards,
        >>
        >>John
        >>--
        >>In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...> Leslie P
        >>Peterson writes:
        >> >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth. It
        >> >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
        >> >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech or
        and
        >> >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor works.
        >> >
        >> >Leslie--
        >> >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
        >> ><russellgreen@...> writes:
        >> >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps
        >> >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
        >> >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much smoother.
        >> >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is normal
        >> >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
        >> >>
        >> >> Russell Green
        >> >> russellgreen@...
        >>
        >>--
        >>Access the word, access the world! -- Try our WordAloud software!!
        >>
        >>John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
        >>Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
        >>Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
        >>Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
        >>
        >>
        >>The Screen Magnifiers Homepage
        >>
        >>http://www.magnifiers.org
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>To Post a message, send it to: magnifiers@...
        >>
        >>To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to:
        magnifiers-unsubscribe@...
        >>
        >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
        >
        >
        >
        >
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        --
        Access the word, access the world! -- Try our WordAloud software!!

        John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
        Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
        Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
        Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk




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