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  • Russell Green
    Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult. The movement of the
    Message 1 of 18 , Jun 24, 2002
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      Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult. The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much smoother. I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is normal for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.

      Russell Green
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    • Leslie P Peterson
      I understand about jerky . Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth. It is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more smooth without
      Message 2 of 18 , Jun 24, 2002
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        I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth. It
        is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
        smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech or and
        online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor works.

        Leslie--
        On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
        <russellgreen@...> writes:
        > Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps
        > while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
        > The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much smoother.
        > I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is normal
        > for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
        >
        > Russell Green
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      • Michael Wigle
        I agree. ZoomText requires less memory and processor power to run smoothly. However, MagIC can run as smoothly as ZoomText if you are running a more powerful
        Message 3 of 18 , Jun 24, 2002
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          I agree. ZoomText requires less memory and processor power to run smoothly.
          However, MagIC can run as smoothly as ZoomText if you are running a more
          powerful system. One thing I have noticed though is that the speech on MagIC
          is a bit sluggish sometimes. Primarily in menus. Otherwise, I tend to like
          MagIC a bit better for the automatic smoothing. It's just unfortunate that
          it requires so much more in processor speed and RAM to do so without the
          jerking motion mentioned. I run a P3 - 800MHz machine with 256 MB RAM and it
          works quite nicely.

          Michael Wigle
          Computer Access Specialist
          Cincinnati Association for the Blind


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          I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth. It
          is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
          smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech or and
          online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor works.

          Leslie--
          On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
          <russellgreen@...> writes:
          > Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps
          > while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
          > The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much smoother.
          > I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is normal
          > for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
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        • jn@tommy.demon.co.uk
          Hi Russell, If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the magnifier around, why don t you try a word-at-a-time display. The words are displayed
          Message 4 of 18 , Jun 25, 2002
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            Hi Russell,

            If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the magnifier
            around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words are displayed
            across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough vision to be
            able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move your eyes
            at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and that may
            be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can read off
            a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600 words per
            minute with this kind of display.

            You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation version
            from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
            For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change the
            mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the magnification,
            colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.

            There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
            Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
            you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
            the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.

            BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It runs
            happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
            W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95 UKP
            plus VAT in UK).

            Regards,

            John
            --
            In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...> Leslie P
            Peterson writes:
            >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth. It
            >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
            >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech or and
            >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor works.
            >
            >Leslie--
            >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
            ><russellgreen@...> writes:
            >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps
            >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
            >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much smoother.
            >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is normal
            >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
            >>
            >> Russell Green
            >> russellgreen@...

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          • Peter Verhoeven
            Hi John, Sorry, but sluggish mouse movement has not only to do with reading text. If mouse movement is sluggish it is difficult to move the mouse to a button,
            Message 5 of 18 , Jun 25, 2002
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              Hi John,

              Sorry, but sluggish mouse movement has not only to do with reading text.
              If mouse movement is sluggish it is difficult to move the mouse to a
              button, a hyperlink etc. Personaly I can not read text if it is presented
              word-by-word. I prefer a scrolling line with speech support, like I can do
              in ZoomText and LunarPlus.

              Sluggish mouse movement is realy a problem with most screen magnifiers and
              are mostly caused by lack of memory. There are many things on a computer I
              must do with the mouse. For example in Microsoft Access I have to use the
              mouse very much, because there is no good keyboard support. Word at a time
              programs do not help here.

              In web browsers it can help to disable image animations. Those make screen
              magnifiers very sluggish.

              Regards Peter Verhoeven

              At 12:15 25-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
              >Hi Russell,
              >
              >If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the magnifier
              >around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words are displayed
              >across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough vision to be
              >able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move your eyes
              >at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and that may
              >be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can read off
              >a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600 words per
              >minute with this kind of display.
              >
              >You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation version
              >from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
              >For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change the
              >mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the magnification,
              >colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.
              >
              >There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
              >Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
              >you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
              >the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.
              >
              >BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It runs
              >happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
              >W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95 UKP
              >plus VAT in UK).
              >
              >Regards,
              >
              >John
              >--
              >In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...> Leslie P
              >Peterson writes:
              > >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth. It
              > >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
              > >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech or and
              > >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor works.
              > >
              > >Leslie--
              > >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
              > ><russellgreen@...> writes:
              > >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps
              > >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
              > >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much smoother.
              > >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is normal
              > >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
              > >>
              > >> Russell Green
              > >> russellgreen@...
              >
              >--
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              >
              >John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
              >Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
              >Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
              >Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
              >
              >
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              >
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            • Russell Green
              John, thanks for the suggestion, I will try WorkAloud. I note that at the end of your message there is one from Leslie which I did not receive directly. Does
              Message 6 of 18 , Jun 25, 2002
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                John, thanks for the suggestion, I will try WorkAloud. I note that at the
                end of your message there is one from Leslie which I did not receive
                directly. Does anyone know why?

                Leslie, thanks for your observations. Do you know if there is any way to
                improve the smoothness of Magic.

                Russell

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: <jn@...>
                To: <magnifiers@yahoogroups.com>
                Cc: <geoff.cox@...>; <jn@...>
                Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:15 PM
                Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Magic 8 compared to Zoomtext 7.1


                > Hi Russell,
                >
                > If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the magnifier
                > around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words are
                displayed
                > across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough vision to be
                > able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move your eyes
                > at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and that may
                > be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can read off
                > a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600 words per
                > minute with this kind of display.
                >
                > You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation version
                > from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                > For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change the
                > mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the magnification,
                > colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.
                >
                > There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
                > Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
                > you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
                > the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.
                >
                > BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It runs
                > happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
                > W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95 UKP
                > plus VAT in UK).
                >
                > Regards,
                >
                > John
                > --
                > In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...> Leslie P
                > Peterson writes:
                > >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth. It
                > >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
                > >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech or and
                > >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor works.
                > >
                > >Leslie--
                > >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
                > ><russellgreen@...> writes:
                > >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps
                > >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
                > >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much smoother.
                > >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is normal
                > >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
                > >>
                > >> Russell Green
                > >> russellgreen@...
                >
                > --
                > Access the word, access the world! -- Try our WordAloud software!!
                >
                > John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
                > Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
                > Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
                > Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                >
                >
                > The Screen Magnifiers Homepage
                >
                > http://www.magnifiers.org
                >
                >
                >
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                >
                >
              • Russell Green
                Hi Peter I certainly agree that sufficient memory is critical for graphics. I am using a pc with 128mb ram, 733mhz PIII and Windows 98. My problem with Magic
                Message 7 of 18 , Jun 25, 2002
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                  Hi Peter

                  I certainly agree that sufficient memory is critical for graphics. I am
                  using a pc with 128mb ram, 733mhz PIII and Windows 98. My problem with
                  Magic 8 appears to be more to do with the size of the increments with which
                  it moves the enlarged screen moves when the mouse is being moved rather
                  than sluggishness. If I move the mouse quickly there is no noticeable delay
                  in the movement of the screen. However, when trying to read a line of text
                  by moving the mouse horizontally the text moves in small steps rather than
                  smoothly and this makes it very difficult to read. Zoomtext moves the
                  enlarged screen much more smoothly (presumably it uses smaller increments).
                  Leslie has also observed this jerky movement of the Magic screen.

                  Freedom Scientific suggest I buy an "approved" video card. I am using a
                  very common nVidia m64 with 32mb ram which works well with zoomtext and
                  every other application. I doubt that changing the video card will help and
                  I would like to be sure before incurring the expense of another video card.

                  Are there any reviews of Magic 8? Has anyone else had experience comparing
                  Magic 8 and Zommtext?

                  Russell Green
                  russellgreen@...

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Peter Verhoeven" <pav@...>
                  To: <magnifiers@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:53 PM
                  Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Magic 8 compared to Zoomtext 7.1


                  > Hi John,
                  >
                  > Sorry, but sluggish mouse movement has not only to do with reading text.
                  > If mouse movement is sluggish it is difficult to move the mouse to a
                  > button, a hyperlink etc. Personaly I can not read text if it is presented
                  > word-by-word. I prefer a scrolling line with speech support, like I can do
                  > in ZoomText and LunarPlus.
                  >
                  > Sluggish mouse movement is realy a problem with most screen magnifiers and
                  > are mostly caused by lack of memory. There are many things on a computer I
                  > must do with the mouse. For example in Microsoft Access I have to use the
                  > mouse very much, because there is no good keyboard support. Word at a time
                  > programs do not help here.
                  >
                  > In web browsers it can help to disable image animations. Those make screen
                  > magnifiers very sluggish.
                  >
                  > Regards Peter Verhoeven
                  >
                  > At 12:15 25-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
                  > >Hi Russell,
                  > >
                  > >If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the magnifier
                  > >around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words are
                  displayed
                  > >across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough vision to be
                  > >able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move your
                  eyes
                  > >at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and that may
                  > >be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can read off
                  > >a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600 words per
                  > >minute with this kind of display.
                  > >
                  > >You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation version
                  > >from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                  > >For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change the
                  > >mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the magnification,
                  > >colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.
                  > >
                  > >There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
                  > >Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
                  > >you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
                  > >the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.
                  > >
                  > >BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It runs
                  > >happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
                  > >W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95 UKP
                  > >plus VAT in UK).
                  > >
                  > >Regards,
                  > >
                  > >John
                  > >--
                  > >In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...> Leslie P
                  > >Peterson writes:
                  > > >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth. It
                  > > >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
                  > > >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech or
                  and
                  > > >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor works.
                  > > >
                  > > >Leslie--
                  > > >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
                  > > ><russellgreen@...> writes:
                  > > >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps
                  > > >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
                  > > >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much smoother.
                  > > >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is normal
                  > > >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Russell Green
                  > > >> russellgreen@...
                  > >
                  > >--
                  > >Access the word, access the world! -- Try our WordAloud software!!
                  > >
                  > >John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
                  > >Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
                  > >Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
                  > >Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                  > >
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                  > >
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                • Russell Green
                  Hi Peter Thank you, that is very helpful. Do you know if this problem with Magic 8 has been improved in the XP version? I do not have XP and the beta version
                  Message 8 of 18 , Jun 25, 2002
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                    Hi Peter

                    Thank you, that is very helpful. Do you know if this problem with Magic 8
                    has been improved in the XP version? I do not have XP and the beta version
                    of Magic on Freedom Scientific's site will not install on Windows 98.

                    Are there any other differences between Magic 8 and the current Zoomtext you
                    are aware of? Are there any disadvantages to Zoomtext compared to Magic?

                    Cheers, Russell Green




                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "Peter Verhoeven" <pav@...>
                    To: <magnifiers@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:00 PM
                    Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Magic 8 compared to Zoomtext 7.1


                    > Hi Russel,
                    >
                    > I participated in the MAGic 8 beta test and one of my critical notes was
                    > the jerky mouse movement.
                    > I tested MAGic 8 on a Windows 95 and Windows 98se with 256 MB and 128 MB.
                    > The mouse movement is better on the 256 MB machine, but still too jerky.
                    > The ZoomText performance is much better than the MAGic performance.
                    > Changing video cards does not help you very much. I have also a NVIDIA
                    card
                    > in my PC. It is a very common brand.
                    >
                    > Regards Peter Verhoeven
                    >
                    > At 02:55 26-06-2002 +1000, you wrote:
                    > >Hi Peter
                    > >
                    > >I certainly agree that sufficient memory is critical for graphics. I am
                    > >using a pc with 128mb ram, 733mhz PIII and Windows 98. My problem with
                    > >Magic 8 appears to be more to do with the size of the increments with
                    which
                    > >it moves the enlarged screen moves when the mouse is being moved rather
                    > >than sluggishness. If I move the mouse quickly there is no noticeable
                    delay
                    > >in the movement of the screen. However, when trying to read a line of
                    text
                    > >by moving the mouse horizontally the text moves in small steps rather
                    than
                    > >smoothly and this makes it very difficult to read. Zoomtext moves the
                    > >enlarged screen much more smoothly (presumably it uses smaller
                    increments).
                    > >Leslie has also observed this jerky movement of the Magic screen.
                    > >
                    > >Freedom Scientific suggest I buy an "approved" video card. I am using a
                    > >very common nVidia m64 with 32mb ram which works well with zoomtext and
                    > >every other application. I doubt that changing the video card will help
                    and
                    > >I would like to be sure before incurring the expense of another video
                    card.
                    > >
                    > >Are there any reviews of Magic 8? Has anyone else had experience
                    comparing
                    > >Magic 8 and Zommtext?
                    > >
                    > >Russell Green
                    > >russellgreen@...
                    > >
                    > >----- Original Message -----
                    > >From: "Peter Verhoeven" <pav@...>
                    > >To: <magnifiers@yahoogroups.com>
                    > >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:53 PM
                    > >Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Magic 8 compared to Zoomtext 7.1
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > Hi John,
                    > > >
                    > > > Sorry, but sluggish mouse movement has not only to do with reading
                    text.
                    > > > If mouse movement is sluggish it is difficult to move the mouse to a
                    > > > button, a hyperlink etc. Personaly I can not read text if it is
                    presented
                    > > > word-by-word. I prefer a scrolling line with speech support, like I
                    can do
                    > > > in ZoomText and LunarPlus.
                    > > >
                    > > > Sluggish mouse movement is realy a problem with most screen magnifiers
                    and
                    > > > are mostly caused by lack of memory. There are many things on a
                    computer I
                    > > > must do with the mouse. For example in Microsoft Access I have to use
                    the
                    > > > mouse very much, because there is no good keyboard support. Word at a
                    time
                    > > > programs do not help here.
                    > > >
                    > > > In web browsers it can help to disable image animations. Those make
                    screen
                    > > > magnifiers very sluggish.
                    > > >
                    > > > Regards Peter Verhoeven
                    > > >
                    > > > At 12:15 25-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
                    > > > >Hi Russell,
                    > > > >
                    > > > >If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the magnifier
                    > > > >around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words are
                    > >displayed
                    > > > >across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough vision
                    to be
                    > > > >able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move your
                    > >eyes
                    > > > >at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and that
                    may
                    > > > >be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can read
                    off
                    > > > >a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600 words per
                    > > > >minute with this kind of display.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation version
                    > > > >from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                    > > > >For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change the
                    > > > >mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the magnification,
                    > > > >colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
                    > > > >Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
                    > > > >you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
                    > > > >the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It runs
                    > > > >happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
                    > > > >W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95 UKP
                    > > > >plus VAT in UK).
                    > > > >
                    > > > >Regards,
                    > > > >
                    > > > >John
                    > > > >--
                    > > > >In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...> Leslie
                    P
                    > > > >Peterson writes:
                    > > > > >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth.
                    It
                    > > > > >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
                    > > > > >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech
                    or
                    > >and
                    > > > > >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor
                    works.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >Leslie--
                    > > > > >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
                    > > > > ><russellgreen@...> writes:
                    > > > > >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky
                    steps
                    > > > > >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
                    > > > > >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much
                    smoother.
                    > > > > >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is
                    normal
                    > > > > >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Russell Green
                    > > > > >> russellgreen@...
                    > > > >
                    > > > >--
                    > > > >Access the word, access the world! -- Try our WordAloud software!!
                    > > > >
                    > > > >John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
                    > > > >Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
                    > > > >Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
                    > > > >Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                    > > > >
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                  • Leslie P Peterson
                    test, please ingnore this. Thank you, Leslie--
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                      test, please ingnore this. Thank you, Leslie--
                    • Peter Verhoeven
                      Hi Russel, I participated in the MAGic 8 beta test and one of my critical notes was the jerky mouse movement. I tested MAGic 8 on a Windows 95 and Windows 98se
                      Message 10 of 18 , Jun 26, 2002
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                        Hi Russel,

                        I participated in the MAGic 8 beta test and one of my critical notes was
                        the jerky mouse movement.
                        I tested MAGic 8 on a Windows 95 and Windows 98se with 256 MB and 128 MB.
                        The mouse movement is better on the 256 MB machine, but still too jerky.
                        The ZoomText performance is much better than the MAGic performance.
                        Changing video cards does not help you very much. I have also a NVIDIA card
                        in my PC. It is a very common brand.

                        Regards Peter Verhoeven

                        At 02:55 26-06-2002 +1000, you wrote:
                        >Hi Peter
                        >
                        >I certainly agree that sufficient memory is critical for graphics. I am
                        >using a pc with 128mb ram, 733mhz PIII and Windows 98. My problem with
                        >Magic 8 appears to be more to do with the size of the increments with which
                        >it moves the enlarged screen moves when the mouse is being moved rather
                        >than sluggishness. If I move the mouse quickly there is no noticeable delay
                        >in the movement of the screen. However, when trying to read a line of text
                        >by moving the mouse horizontally the text moves in small steps rather than
                        >smoothly and this makes it very difficult to read. Zoomtext moves the
                        >enlarged screen much more smoothly (presumably it uses smaller increments).
                        >Leslie has also observed this jerky movement of the Magic screen.
                        >
                        >Freedom Scientific suggest I buy an "approved" video card. I am using a
                        >very common nVidia m64 with 32mb ram which works well with zoomtext and
                        >every other application. I doubt that changing the video card will help and
                        >I would like to be sure before incurring the expense of another video card.
                        >
                        >Are there any reviews of Magic 8? Has anyone else had experience comparing
                        >Magic 8 and Zommtext?
                        >
                        >Russell Green
                        >russellgreen@...
                        >
                        >----- Original Message -----
                        >From: "Peter Verhoeven" <pav@...>
                        >To: <magnifiers@yahoogroups.com>
                        >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:53 PM
                        >Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Magic 8 compared to Zoomtext 7.1
                        >
                        >
                        > > Hi John,
                        > >
                        > > Sorry, but sluggish mouse movement has not only to do with reading text.
                        > > If mouse movement is sluggish it is difficult to move the mouse to a
                        > > button, a hyperlink etc. Personaly I can not read text if it is presented
                        > > word-by-word. I prefer a scrolling line with speech support, like I can do
                        > > in ZoomText and LunarPlus.
                        > >
                        > > Sluggish mouse movement is realy a problem with most screen magnifiers and
                        > > are mostly caused by lack of memory. There are many things on a computer I
                        > > must do with the mouse. For example in Microsoft Access I have to use the
                        > > mouse very much, because there is no good keyboard support. Word at a time
                        > > programs do not help here.
                        > >
                        > > In web browsers it can help to disable image animations. Those make screen
                        > > magnifiers very sluggish.
                        > >
                        > > Regards Peter Verhoeven
                        > >
                        > > At 12:15 25-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
                        > > >Hi Russell,
                        > > >
                        > > >If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the magnifier
                        > > >around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words are
                        >displayed
                        > > >across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough vision to be
                        > > >able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move your
                        >eyes
                        > > >at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and that may
                        > > >be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can read off
                        > > >a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600 words per
                        > > >minute with this kind of display.
                        > > >
                        > > >You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation version
                        > > >from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                        > > >For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change the
                        > > >mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the magnification,
                        > > >colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.
                        > > >
                        > > >There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
                        > > >Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
                        > > >you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
                        > > >the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.
                        > > >
                        > > >BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It runs
                        > > >happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
                        > > >W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95 UKP
                        > > >plus VAT in UK).
                        > > >
                        > > >Regards,
                        > > >
                        > > >John
                        > > >--
                        > > >In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...> Leslie P
                        > > >Peterson writes:
                        > > > >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth. It
                        > > > >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
                        > > > >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech or
                        >and
                        > > > >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor works.
                        > > > >
                        > > > >Leslie--
                        > > > >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
                        > > > ><russellgreen@...> writes:
                        > > > >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps
                        > > > >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
                        > > > >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much smoother.
                        > > > >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is normal
                        > > > >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> Russell Green
                        > > > >> russellgreen@...
                        > > >
                        > > >--
                        > > >Access the word, access the world! -- Try our WordAloud software!!
                        > > >
                        > > >John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
                        > > >Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
                        > > >Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
                        > > >Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >The Screen Magnifiers Homepage
                        > > >
                        > > >http://www.magnifiers.org
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >To Post a message, send it to: magnifiers@...
                        > > >
                        > > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to:
                        >magnifiers-unsubscribe@...
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                        > >
                        > >
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                        > >
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                      • Leslie P Peterson
                        You said about the grpahic and it reminded me. I remember in the past many float ads banner changing cycle like movie. It interrupted the magnification
                        Message 11 of 18 , Jun 26, 2002
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                          You said about the grpahic and it reminded me.

                          I remember in the past many "float ads" banner changing cycle like movie.
                          It interrupted the magnification screen which is not smooth reading. But
                          I did not pay any attention the problem for a long time. If the picture
                          or banner are stilled then it might be much better.

                          My honest, the systems makes me stuggling forever. I am tired of the
                          weird systems.

                          Sorry, I am stubborn to use the system because it is my top
                          accessabilities.

                          Leslie--
                        • Peter Verhoeven
                          Hi Russel, I also didn t see MAGic 8 running on XP. The advantages of MAGic 8 are better tracking and web pages are read aloud in the right order. By this I
                          Message 12 of 18 , Jun 26, 2002
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                            Hi Russel,

                            I also didn't see MAGic 8 running on XP.

                            The advantages of MAGic 8 are better tracking and web pages are read aloud
                            in the right order. By this I mean, that tables for layout reasons on web
                            pages are read column by column. ZoomText reads web pages from top to
                            bottom and left to right. In practice this means you can not read web pages
                            with ZoomText if the web page contains tables. BTW: this will be solved in
                            ZoomText 8.

                            A problem in MAGic reading web pages is, that sometimes hyperlinks are
                            activated automaticly.

                            ZoomText has much more options to read documents with the DocReader. It
                            support Java Access Bridge, has much more magnification modes and options.
                            The most important advantage of ZoomText is its stability and compatibility
                            with video cards. For example ZoomText is the only screen magnifier, that
                            does not crash on Snappy Fax, a program to easily send fax sith your
                            computer. With ZoomText you can view videos magnified, MAGic show the video
                            in a an unmagnified box.
                            As you already noticed ZoomText performs much better,

                            Regards Peter Verhoeven

                            At 04:04 26-06-2002 +1000, you wrote:
                            >Hi Peter
                            >
                            >Thank you, that is very helpful. Do you know if this problem with Magic 8
                            >has been improved in the XP version? I do not have XP and the beta version
                            >of Magic on Freedom Scientific's site will not install on Windows 98.
                            >
                            >Are there any other differences between Magic 8 and the current Zoomtext you
                            >are aware of? Are there any disadvantages to Zoomtext compared to Magic?
                            >
                            >Cheers, Russell Green
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >----- Original Message -----
                            >From: "Peter Verhoeven" <pav@...>
                            >To: <magnifiers@yahoogroups.com>
                            >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:00 PM
                            >Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Magic 8 compared to Zoomtext 7.1
                            >
                            >
                            > > Hi Russel,
                            > >
                            > > I participated in the MAGic 8 beta test and one of my critical notes was
                            > > the jerky mouse movement.
                            > > I tested MAGic 8 on a Windows 95 and Windows 98se with 256 MB and 128 MB.
                            > > The mouse movement is better on the 256 MB machine, but still too jerky.
                            > > The ZoomText performance is much better than the MAGic performance.
                            > > Changing video cards does not help you very much. I have also a NVIDIA
                            >card
                            > > in my PC. It is a very common brand.
                            > >
                            > > Regards Peter Verhoeven
                            > >
                            > > At 02:55 26-06-2002 +1000, you wrote:
                            > > >Hi Peter
                            > > >
                            > > >I certainly agree that sufficient memory is critical for graphics. I am
                            > > >using a pc with 128mb ram, 733mhz PIII and Windows 98. My problem with
                            > > >Magic 8 appears to be more to do with the size of the increments with
                            >which
                            > > >it moves the enlarged screen moves when the mouse is being moved rather
                            > > >than sluggishness. If I move the mouse quickly there is no noticeable
                            >delay
                            > > >in the movement of the screen. However, when trying to read a line of
                            >text
                            > > >by moving the mouse horizontally the text moves in small steps rather
                            >than
                            > > >smoothly and this makes it very difficult to read. Zoomtext moves the
                            > > >enlarged screen much more smoothly (presumably it uses smaller
                            >increments).
                            > > >Leslie has also observed this jerky movement of the Magic screen.
                            > > >
                            > > >Freedom Scientific suggest I buy an "approved" video card. I am using a
                            > > >very common nVidia m64 with 32mb ram which works well with zoomtext and
                            > > >every other application. I doubt that changing the video card will help
                            >and
                            > > >I would like to be sure before incurring the expense of another video
                            >card.
                            > > >
                            > > >Are there any reviews of Magic 8? Has anyone else had experience
                            >comparing
                            > > >Magic 8 and Zommtext?
                            > > >
                            > > >Russell Green
                            > > >russellgreen@...
                            > > >
                            > > >----- Original Message -----
                            > > >From: "Peter Verhoeven" <pav@...>
                            > > >To: <magnifiers@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:53 PM
                            > > >Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Magic 8 compared to Zoomtext 7.1
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > Hi John,
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Sorry, but sluggish mouse movement has not only to do with reading
                            >text.
                            > > > > If mouse movement is sluggish it is difficult to move the mouse to a
                            > > > > button, a hyperlink etc. Personaly I can not read text if it is
                            >presented
                            > > > > word-by-word. I prefer a scrolling line with speech support, like I
                            >can do
                            > > > > in ZoomText and LunarPlus.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Sluggish mouse movement is realy a problem with most screen magnifiers
                            >and
                            > > > > are mostly caused by lack of memory. There are many things on a
                            >computer I
                            > > > > must do with the mouse. For example in Microsoft Access I have to use
                            >the
                            > > > > mouse very much, because there is no good keyboard support. Word at a
                            >time
                            > > > > programs do not help here.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > In web browsers it can help to disable image animations. Those make
                            >screen
                            > > > > magnifiers very sluggish.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Regards Peter Verhoeven
                            > > > >
                            > > > > At 12:15 25-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
                            > > > > >Hi Russell,
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the magnifier
                            > > > > >around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words are
                            > > >displayed
                            > > > > >across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough vision
                            >to be
                            > > > > >able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move your
                            > > >eyes
                            > > > > >at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and that
                            >may
                            > > > > >be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can read
                            >off
                            > > > > >a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600 words per
                            > > > > >minute with this kind of display.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation version
                            > > > > >from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                            > > > > >For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change the
                            > > > > >mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the magnification,
                            > > > > >colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
                            > > > > >Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
                            > > > > >you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
                            > > > > >the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It runs
                            > > > > >happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
                            > > > > >W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95 UKP
                            > > > > >plus VAT in UK).
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >Regards,
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >John
                            > > > > >--
                            > > > > >In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...> Leslie
                            >P
                            > > > > >Peterson writes:
                            > > > > > >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth.
                            >It
                            > > > > > >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
                            > > > > > >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech
                            >or
                            > > >and
                            > > > > > >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor
                            >works.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >Leslie--
                            > > > > > >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
                            > > > > > ><russellgreen@...> writes:
                            > > > > > >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky
                            >steps
                            > > > > > >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
                            > > > > > >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much
                            >smoother.
                            > > > > > >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is
                            >normal
                            > > > > > >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
                            > > > > > >>
                            > > > > > >> Russell Green
                            > > > > > >> russellgreen@...
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >--
                            > > > > >Access the word, access the world! -- Try our WordAloud software!!
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
                            > > > > >Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
                            > > > > >Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
                            > > > > >Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >The Screen Magnifiers Homepage
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >http://www.magnifiers.org
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: magnifiers@...
                            > > > > >
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                          • Leslie P Peterson
                            I enjoyed to read your discussions. I popped up and remember that Zoomtext is only software to let you select 3 different modes of DocReader. My preferance
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                              I enjoyed to read your discussions. I popped up and remember that
                              Zoomtext is only software to let you select 3 different modes of
                              DocReader. My preferance is Prompty Mode. I remember other 2 modes might
                              be same as MAGic "jerky". Magic, Nova, and others have only "LINE" mode
                              like ZT. I guess all of them are same problems. Prompty Mode is one best
                              for me.

                              Leslie--
                            • jn@tommy.demon.co.uk
                              Hi Peter, You are the first person who said they have difficulty in reading text presented word by word. Everybody else who has tried it has found that they
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                                Hi Peter,

                                You are the first person who said they have difficulty in
                                reading text presented word by word. Everybody else who has tried
                                it has found that they can read faster because they don't have
                                to scan along a line and then go back to the next line. Also
                                they can choose the size of text and the font. And some people
                                like text and background in particular colours. You have a
                                lot of flexibility with word-by-word presentation.

                                But the basic reason why you can read faster is because the
                                brain is adapted to serial presentation for speech. It is
                                more NATURAL to read text presented a word at a time than to
                                read text on a printed page! Psychologically it is as if the
                                screen is reading to you. Experiments with university students
                                has shown that they can read on average about three times faster
                                than off the printed page, with equivalent comprehension.

                                You can adjust the speed over a wide range, when WordAloud will
                                present each word for a time which is varies according to the
                                length of the word. You can alternatively step through the
                                words manually, using the right cursor key at "word level".

                                BTW, WordAloud can be operated entirely from the keyboard.
                                In text mode you can change the speed, using capital Q to increase
                                the speed (Q for Quick), or lower case q to reduce the speed.

                                So why is it that you find you "can not read text if it is presented
                                word-by-word", Peter? What is your particular problem?
                                I am most puzzled.

                                Regards,

                                John
                                --
                                In message <5.1.0.14.1.20020625144536.00a4c6e0@...>
                                Peter Verhoeven writes:

                                >Hi John,
                                >
                                >Sorry, but sluggish mouse movement has not only to do with reading text.
                                >If mouse movement is sluggish it is difficult to move the mouse to a
                                >button, a hyperlink etc. Personaly I can not read text if it is presented
                                >word-by-word. I prefer a scrolling line with speech support, like I can do
                                >in ZoomText and LunarPlus.
                                >Regards Peter Verhoeven

                                >At 12:15 25-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
                                >>Hi Russell,
                                >>
                                >>If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the magnifier
                                >>around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words are displayed
                                >>across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough vision to be
                                >>able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move your eyes
                                >>at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and that may
                                >>be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can read off
                                >>a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600 words per
                                >>minute with this kind of display.
                                >>
                                >>You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation version
                                >>from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                                >>For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change the
                                >>mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the magnification,
                                >>colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.
                                >>
                                >>There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
                                >>Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
                                >>you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
                                >>the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.
                                >>
                                >>BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It runs
                                >>happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
                                >>W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95 UKP
                                >>plus VAT in UK).
                                >>
                                >>Regards,
                                >>
                                >>John
                                >>--
                                >>In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...> Leslie P
                                >>Peterson writes:
                                >> >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth. It
                                >> >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
                                >> >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech or and
                                >> >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor works.
                                >> >
                                >> >Leslie--
                                >> >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
                                >> ><russellgreen@...> writes:
                                >> >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps
                                >> >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
                                >> >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much smoother.
                                >> >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is normal
                                >> >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
                                >> >>
                                >> >> Russell Green
                                >> >> russellgreen@...
                                >>
                                >>--
                                >>Access the word, access the world! -- Try our WordAloud software!!
                                >>
                                >>John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
                                >>Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
                                >>Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
                                >>Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
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                              • jn@tommy.demon.co.uk
                                Hi Russell, ... It s WordAloud with 2 d s. Cheers, John -- P.S. I ve no idea why you didn t get Leslie s message directly... ... -- Access the word, access
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                                  Hi Russell,

                                  In message <005c01c21c50$e7c676a0$d38bddcb@pc> "Russell Green" writes:
                                  >John, thanks for the suggestion, I will try WorkAloud.

                                  It's WordAloud with 2 d's.

                                  Cheers,

                                  John
                                  --
                                  P.S. I've no idea why you didn't get Leslie's message directly...

                                  >I note that at the
                                  >end of your message there is one from Leslie which I did not receive
                                  >directly. Does anyone know why?

                                  --
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                                • Peter Verhoeven
                                  Hi John, I think it is because I need a high magnification. My screen magnifier is set to 10x magnification. That means that a word like magnification does not
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                                    Hi John,

                                    I think it is because I need a high magnification. My screen magnifier is
                                    set to 10x magnification. That means that a word like magnification does
                                    not fit on a 21" screen. Only the characters magnifica fit on the screen.
                                    So I must read this word like reading a line by someone who has a good
                                    vision. If a line scrolls automatically on my screen I do not have to move
                                    my eyes. I only have to look at one area on the screen and try to create a
                                    word from the passing characters.
                                    The reason that I can not read word-by-word is exactly the same motivation
                                    why people with normal vision should read faster. One word means one line
                                    for me. Do you understand my point?

                                    Regards Peter Verhoeven

                                    At 11:01 27-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
                                    >Hi Peter,
                                    >
                                    >You are the first person who said they have difficulty in
                                    >reading text presented word by word. Everybody else who has tried
                                    >it has found that they can read faster because they don't have
                                    >to scan along a line and then go back to the next line. Also
                                    >they can choose the size of text and the font. And some people
                                    >like text and background in particular colours. You have a
                                    >lot of flexibility with word-by-word presentation.
                                    >
                                    >But the basic reason why you can read faster is because the
                                    >brain is adapted to serial presentation for speech. It is
                                    >more NATURAL to read text presented a word at a time than to
                                    >read text on a printed page! Psychologically it is as if the
                                    >screen is reading to you. Experiments with university students
                                    >has shown that they can read on average about three times faster
                                    >than off the printed page, with equivalent comprehension.
                                    >
                                    >You can adjust the speed over a wide range, when WordAloud will
                                    >present each word for a time which is varies according to the
                                    >length of the word. You can alternatively step through the
                                    >words manually, using the right cursor key at "word level".
                                    >
                                    >BTW, WordAloud can be operated entirely from the keyboard.
                                    >In text mode you can change the speed, using capital Q to increase
                                    >the speed (Q for Quick), or lower case q to reduce the speed.
                                    >
                                    >So why is it that you find you "can not read text if it is presented
                                    >word-by-word", Peter? What is your particular problem?
                                    >I am most puzzled.
                                    >
                                    >Regards,
                                    >
                                    >John
                                    >--
                                    >In message <5.1.0.14.1.20020625144536.00a4c6e0@...>
                                    >Peter Verhoeven writes:
                                    >
                                    > >Hi John,
                                    > >
                                    > >Sorry, but sluggish mouse movement has not only to do with reading text.
                                    > >If mouse movement is sluggish it is difficult to move the mouse to a
                                    > >button, a hyperlink etc. Personaly I can not read text if it is presented
                                    > >word-by-word. I prefer a scrolling line with speech support, like I can do
                                    > >in ZoomText and LunarPlus.
                                    > >Regards Peter Verhoeven
                                    >
                                    > >At 12:15 25-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
                                    > >>Hi Russell,
                                    > >>
                                    > >>If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the magnifier
                                    > >>around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words are
                                    > displayed
                                    > >>across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough vision to be
                                    > >>able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move your eyes
                                    > >>at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and that may
                                    > >>be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can read off
                                    > >>a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600 words per
                                    > >>minute with this kind of display.
                                    > >>
                                    > >>You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation version
                                    > >>from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                                    > >>For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change the
                                    > >>mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the magnification,
                                    > >>colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.
                                    > >>
                                    > >>There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
                                    > >>Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
                                    > >>you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
                                    > >>the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.
                                    > >>
                                    > >>BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It runs
                                    > >>happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
                                    > >>W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95 UKP
                                    > >>plus VAT in UK).
                                    > >>
                                    > >>Regards,
                                    > >>
                                    > >>John
                                    > >>--
                                    > >>In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...> Leslie P
                                    > >>Peterson writes:
                                    > >> >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth. It
                                    > >> >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
                                    > >> >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech or and
                                    > >> >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor works.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> >Leslie--
                                    > >> >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
                                    > >> ><russellgreen@...> writes:
                                    > >> >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps
                                    > >> >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
                                    > >> >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much smoother.
                                    > >> >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is normal
                                    > >> >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
                                    > >> >>
                                    > >> >> Russell Green
                                    > >> >> russellgreen@...
                                    > >>
                                    > >>--
                                    > >>Access the word, access the world! -- Try our WordAloud software!!
                                    > >>
                                    > >>John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
                                    > >>Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
                                    > >>Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
                                    > >>Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                                    > >>
                                    > >>
                                    > >>The Screen Magnifiers Homepage
                                    > >>
                                    > >>http://www.magnifiers.org
                                    > >>
                                    > >>
                                    > >>
                                    > >>To Post a message, send it to: magnifiers@...
                                    > >>
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                                    > >
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                                    >
                                    >John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
                                    >Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
                                    >Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
                                    >Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
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                                  • Leslie P Peterson
                                    Peter, Yours and mine are much same that I read 8x-12x, depend my vision moods. I just wonder about the color and b/w text. NOTE: I never think about it but
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                                      Peter,

                                      Yours and mine are much same that I read 8x-12x, depend my vision moods.

                                      I just wonder about the color and b/w text. NOTE: I never think about it
                                      but just wonder) Color causes more jerky than B/W??? Non-sense??

                                      Leslie--
                                      On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:07:48 +0200 Peter Verhoeven <pav@...> writes:
                                      > Hi John,
                                      >
                                      > I think it is because I need a high magnification. My screen
                                      > magnifier is
                                      > set to 10x magnification. That means that a word like magnification
                                      > does
                                      > not fit on a 21" screen. Only the characters magnifica fit on the
                                      > screen.
                                      > So I must read this word like reading a line by someone who has a
                                      > good
                                      > vision. If a line scrolls automatically on my screen I do not have
                                      > to move
                                      > my eyes. I only have to look at one area on the screen and try to
                                      > create a
                                      > word from the passing characters.
                                      > The reason that I can not read word-by-word is exactly the same
                                      > motivation
                                      > why people with normal vision should read faster. One word means one
                                      > line
                                      > for me. Do you understand my point?
                                      >
                                      > Regards Peter Verhoeven
                                      >
                                      > At 11:01 27-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
                                      > >Hi Peter,
                                      > >
                                      > >You are the first person who said they have difficulty in
                                      > >reading text presented word by word. Everybody else who has tried
                                      > >it has found that they can read faster because they don't have
                                      > >to scan along a line and then go back to the next line. Also
                                      > >they can choose the size of text and the font. And some people
                                      > >like text and background in particular colours. You have a
                                      > >lot of flexibility with word-by-word presentation.
                                      > >
                                      > >But the basic reason why you can read faster is because the
                                      > >brain is adapted to serial presentation for speech. It is
                                      > >more NATURAL to read text presented a word at a time than to
                                      > >read text on a printed page! Psychologically it is as if the
                                      > >screen is reading to you. Experiments with university students
                                      > >has shown that they can read on average about three times faster
                                      > >than off the printed page, with equivalent comprehension.
                                      > >
                                      > >You can adjust the speed over a wide range, when WordAloud will
                                      > >present each word for a time which is varies according to the
                                      > >length of the word. You can alternatively step through the
                                      > >words manually, using the right cursor key at "word level".
                                      > >
                                      > >BTW, WordAloud can be operated entirely from the keyboard.
                                      > >In text mode you can change the speed, using capital Q to increase
                                      > >the speed (Q for Quick), or lower case q to reduce the speed.
                                      > >
                                      > >So why is it that you find you "can not read text if it is
                                      > presented
                                      > >word-by-word", Peter? What is your particular problem?
                                      > >I am most puzzled.
                                      > >
                                      > >Regards,
                                      > >
                                      > >John
                                      > >--
                                      > >In message <5.1.0.14.1.20020625144536.00a4c6e0@...>
                                      > >Peter Verhoeven writes:
                                      > >
                                      > > >Hi John,
                                      > > >
                                      > > >Sorry, but sluggish mouse movement has not only to do with
                                      > reading text.
                                      > > >If mouse movement is sluggish it is difficult to move the mouse
                                      > to a
                                      > > >button, a hyperlink etc. Personaly I can not read text if it is
                                      > presented
                                      > > >word-by-word. I prefer a scrolling line with speech support, like
                                      > I can do
                                      > > >in ZoomText and LunarPlus.
                                      > > >Regards Peter Verhoeven
                                      > >
                                      > > >At 12:15 25-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
                                      > > >>Hi Russell,
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the
                                      > magnifier
                                      > > >>around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words
                                      > are
                                      > > displayed
                                      > > >>across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough
                                      > vision to be
                                      > > >>able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move
                                      > your eyes
                                      > > >>at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and
                                      > that may
                                      > > >>be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can
                                      > read off
                                      > > >>a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600
                                      > words per
                                      > > >>minute with this kind of display.
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation
                                      > version
                                      > > >>from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                                      > > >>For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change
                                      > the
                                      > > >>mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the
                                      > magnification,
                                      > > >>colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
                                      > > >>Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
                                      > > >>you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
                                      > > >>the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It
                                      > runs
                                      > > >>happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
                                      > > >>W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95
                                      > UKP
                                      > > >>plus VAT in UK).
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>Regards,
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>John
                                      > > >>--
                                      > > >>In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...>
                                      > Leslie P
                                      > > >>Peterson writes:
                                      > > >> >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more
                                      > smooth. It
                                      > > >> >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is
                                      > more
                                      > > >> >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with
                                      > speech or and
                                      > > >> >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or
                                      > processor works.
                                      > > >> >
                                      > > >> >Leslie--
                                      > > >> >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
                                      > > >> ><russellgreen@...> writes:
                                      > > >> >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in
                                      > jerky steps
                                      > > >> >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very
                                      > difficult.
                                      > > >> >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much
                                      > smoother.
                                      > > >> >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic
                                      > is normal
                                      > > >> >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
                                      > > >> >>
                                      > > >> >> Russell Green
                                      > > >> >> russellgreen@...
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>--
                                      > > >>Access the word, access the world! -- Try our WordAloud
                                      > software!!
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London
                                      > > >>Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK)
                                      > > >>Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715
                                      > > >>Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>The Screen Magnifiers Homepage
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>http://www.magnifiers.org
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>To Post a message, send it to: magnifiers@...
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >>To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to:
                                      > magnifiers-unsubscribe@...
                                      > > >>
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                                    • Michael Wigle
                                      I just wanted to break in for a minute. There are a varitey of eye conditions that would make it very difficult to read one word flashed on a screen at a time.
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                                        I just wanted to break in for a minute. There are a varitey of eye
                                        conditions that would make it very difficult to read one word flashed on a
                                        screen at a time. There are eye conditions that will leave a person with
                                        random blind spots scattered throughout their field of view. Scrolling text
                                        allows what they are reading to scroll in and out of their vision. Also,
                                        people with central vision loss often find themselves reading text in
                                        various parts of the screen by moving their head slightly as text scrolls.
                                        However, I'm sure there are people who would benefit from seeing one word at
                                        a time flashed on a screen. Mind you, ZoomText can be set up to scroll and
                                        flash one word at a time as well by changing the DocReader settings to
                                        ticker tape scrolling centered.

                                        Michael Wigle
                                        Computer Access Specialist
                                        Cincinnati Association for the Blind

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                                        Hi Peter,

                                        You are the first person who said they have difficulty in
                                        reading text presented word by word. Everybody else who has tried
                                        it has found that they can read faster because they don't have
                                        to scan along a line and then go back to the next line. Also
                                        they can choose the size of text and the font. And some people
                                        like text and background in particular colours. You have a
                                        lot of flexibility with word-by-word presentation.

                                        But the basic reason why you can read faster is because the
                                        brain is adapted to serial presentation for speech. It is
                                        more NATURAL to read text presented a word at a time than to
                                        read text on a printed page! Psychologically it is as if the
                                        screen is reading to you. Experiments with university students
                                        has shown that they can read on average about three times faster
                                        than off the printed page, with equivalent comprehension.

                                        You can adjust the speed over a wide range, when WordAloud will
                                        present each word for a time which is varies according to the
                                        length of the word. You can alternatively step through the
                                        words manually, using the right cursor key at "word level".

                                        BTW, WordAloud can be operated entirely from the keyboard.
                                        In text mode you can change the speed, using capital Q to increase
                                        the speed (Q for Quick), or lower case q to reduce the speed.

                                        So why is it that you find you "can not read text if it is presented
                                        word-by-word", Peter? What is your particular problem?
                                        I am most puzzled.

                                        Regards,

                                        John
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                                        In message <5.1.0.14.1.20020625144536.00a4c6e0@...>
                                        Peter Verhoeven writes:

                                        >Hi John,
                                        >
                                        >Sorry, but sluggish mouse movement has not only to do with reading text.
                                        >If mouse movement is sluggish it is difficult to move the mouse to a
                                        >button, a hyperlink etc. Personaly I can not read text if it is presented
                                        >word-by-word. I prefer a scrolling line with speech support, like I can do
                                        >in ZoomText and LunarPlus.
                                        >Regards Peter Verhoeven

                                        >At 12:15 25-06-2002 +0000, you wrote:
                                        >>Hi Russell,
                                        >>
                                        >>If you want to read rapidly, and not worry about moving the magnifier
                                        >>around, why don't you try a word-at-a-time display. The words are
                                        displayed
                                        >>across the middle of the screen. So long as you have enough vision to be
                                        >>able to take in a whole word at a glance, you don't have to move your
                                        eyes
                                        >>at all. You can read as rapidly as a fully sighted person, and that may
                                        >>be three times faster than they (the fully sighted person) can read off
                                        >>a printed page. Most people can manage between 200 and 600 words per
                                        >>minute with this kind of display.
                                        >>
                                        >>You might try WordAloud. You can download a free evaluation version
                                        >>from our website: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
                                        >>For rapid reading, turn off the speech: go to options and change the
                                        >>mode from "speech" to "text". You can adjust the magnification,
                                        >>colour scheme, font and speed to suit your needs.
                                        >>
                                        >>There's no reason why you shouldn't run WordAloud alongside
                                        >>Zoomtext, or Magic, in different windows. Just highlight text
                                        >>you want to read rapidly, type control+c to copy the text to
                                        >>the Windows clipboard, and click on WordAloud's clip button.
                                        >>
                                        >>BTW, WordAloud runs on Windows machines from W95 to XP. It runs
                                        >>happily with 100MHz processor and 16Meg RAM as I have on my old
                                        >>W95 laptop. And a single user license is only $44.95 (or 29.95 UKP
                                        >>plus VAT in UK).
                                        >>
                                        >>Regards,
                                        >>
                                        >>John
                                        >>--
                                        >>In message <20020624.111323.-256883.1.lesliepeterson@...> Leslie P
                                        >>Peterson writes:
                                        >> >I understand about "jerky". Yes, ZT is best because of more smooth. It
                                        >> >is depending how much you are using in the memory (RAM). ZT is more
                                        >> >smooth without speech, and offline. ZT will be jerky with speech or
                                        and
                                        >> >online. It is really depending how much in the RAM or processor works.
                                        >> >
                                        >> >Leslie--
                                        >> >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:24:22 +1000 "Russell Green"
                                        >> ><russellgreen@...> writes:
                                        >> >> Using Magic 8 I find that the magnified screen moves in jerky steps
                                        >> >> while moving the mouse, which makes reading text very difficult.
                                        >> >> The movement of the magnified screen with Zoomtext is much smoother.
                                        >> >> I would like to know if the lack of smoothness with Magic is normal
                                        >> >> for Magic or do I have a problem with my setup.
                                        >> >>
                                        >> >> Russell Green
                                        >> >> russellgreen@...
                                        >>
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