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  • Al Villasenor
    Hi All: Just a quick note with snow removal information. Please note that within Madrona Village the streets have been turned over to the Village of Round
    Message 1 of 10 , Feb 8, 2008
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      Hi All:

      Just a quick note with snow removal information.

      Please note that within Madrona Village the streets
      have been turned over to the Village of Round Lake.
      As such, any calls regarding snow removal on those
      streets should be directed to the Round Lake Public
      Works Department.

      If you live in Madrona Ridge, those streets have not
      yet been turned over to the village. Please direct
      your calls to your HOA management company -> PSI, NOT
      Summit Management Specialists, Inc.

      If you live in the townhomes and have concerns
      regarding snow removal withing your drives and walks,
      please call your management company -> PSI, NOT Summit
      Management Specialists, Inc.

      I have long since purged any contact information for
      PSI from my memory, as I would advise you to do as
      well, but that is a tale not for here.

      Lastly, that was alot of snow and there is more on the
      way. As I drive to work in Vernon Hills and peek into
      their subdivsions, rest assured, they are not better
      off than we at this time. Be patient, be safe, have a
      Mai Tai, put on a Hawaiian shirt and put on some
      Buffet it will be 100' with 1000% humidity before we
      know it.

      BTW, if you need help, try young Mr. Starzec and see
      if he is available.
    • Jennifer
      Also in case you haven t noticed, all the fire hydrants are getting buried by snow. In case of a fire in your home, it is essential that the fire department be
      Message 2 of 10 , Feb 8, 2008
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        Also in case you haven't noticed, all the fire hydrants are getting
        buried by snow. In case of a fire in your home, it is essential that
        the fire department be able to access these quickly. Please take a
        few moments and shovel from the street to and around the hydrants
        near your homes. It could make a difference between saving a life or
        a home or loosing it. If you have any elderly or disabled neighbors,
        please help them out with their driveways. It is a village ordinance
        that you clear your sidewalks of snow. Some of the neighborhood
        children are forced to walk to the Park Campus School but because the
        sidewalks aren't clear they have to walk in the street. I do not want
        to hear of a child being struck by a car because a resident was too
        lazy to shovel their walk. If everyone is patient with Public Works
        and does the responsible thing then we can all get through this
        safely together.

        KURT


        --- In madronavillage2@yahoogroups.com, Al Villasenor
        <goinyard1244@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi All:
        >
        > Just a quick note with snow removal information.
        >
        > Please note that within Madrona Village the streets
        > have been turned over to the Village of Round Lake.
        > As such, any calls regarding snow removal on those
        > streets should be directed to the Round Lake Public
        > Works Department.
        >
        > If you live in Madrona Ridge, those streets have not
        > yet been turned over to the village. Please direct
        > your calls to your HOA management company -> PSI, NOT
        > Summit Management Specialists, Inc.
        >
        > If you live in the townhomes and have concerns
        > regarding snow removal withing your drives and walks,
        > please call your management company -> PSI, NOT Summit
        > Management Specialists, Inc.
        >
        > I have long since purged any contact information for
        > PSI from my memory, as I would advise you to do as
        > well, but that is a tale not for here.
        >
        > Lastly, that was alot of snow and there is more on the
        > way. As I drive to work in Vernon Hills and peek into
        > their subdivsions, rest assured, they are not better
        > off than we at this time. Be patient, be safe, have a
        > Mai Tai, put on a Hawaiian shirt and put on some
        > Buffet it will be 100' with 1000% humidity before we
        > know it.
        >
        > BTW, if you need help, try young Mr. Starzec and see
        > if he is available.
        >
      • Angela Gargiulo
        With all due respect, just because it may seem that some people did not shovel their walks or the fire hydrandts (during the last storm we removed snow from
        Message 3 of 10 , Feb 10, 2008
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          With all due respect, just because it may seem that some people did
          not shovel their walks or the fire hydrandts (during the last storm
          we removed snow from our sidewalks, driveway and fire hydrant 7
          times) does not been it has not been done or they should be assumed
          to be lazy.... I happen to live on a corner and try to keep up with
          the snow as much as possible, but having said that, after several
          runs of the village snow plows and the high winds causing blowing
          snow(primarily in the overnight hours) they buried in both the
          corner sidewalks and the hydrant in front of our house. A casual
          observer would think that nothing was done. If you have any
          suggestions as to how we are supposed to remove over 13 inches of
          heavy snow, that has been packed down by the plows, at one time I
          would love to hear them. I am the first to agree that our
          children's safety is number 1 but there is only so much one can do
          short of being outside 24/7 to remove snow. Also, I think the
          village should be made aware of the bus stops for the older kids,
          they plow in those areas and the kids are standing in the streets.

          Angela


          --- In madronavillage2@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer" <jen_79@...>
          wrote:
          >
          >
          > Also in case you haven't noticed, all the fire hydrants are
          getting
          > buried by snow. In case of a fire in your home, it is essential
          that
          > the fire department be able to access these quickly. Please take a
          > few moments and shovel from the street to and around the hydrants
          > near your homes. It could make a difference between saving a life
          or
          > a home or loosing it. If you have any elderly or disabled
          neighbors,
          > please help them out with their driveways. It is a village
          ordinance
          > that you clear your sidewalks of snow. Some of the neighborhood
          > children are forced to walk to the Park Campus School but because
          the
          > sidewalks aren't clear they have to walk in the street. I do not
          want
          > to hear of a child being struck by a car because a resident was
          too
          > lazy to shovel their walk. If everyone is patient with Public
          Works
          > and does the responsible thing then we can all get through this
          > safely together.
          >
          > KURT
          >
          >
          > --- In madronavillage2@yahoogroups.com, Al Villasenor
          > <goinyard1244@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Hi All:
          > >
          > > Just a quick note with snow removal information.
          > >
          > > Please note that within Madrona Village the streets
          > > have been turned over to the Village of Round Lake.
          > > As such, any calls regarding snow removal on those
          > > streets should be directed to the Round Lake Public
          > > Works Department.
          > >
          > > If you live in Madrona Ridge, those streets have not
          > > yet been turned over to the village. Please direct
          > > your calls to your HOA management company -> PSI, NOT
          > > Summit Management Specialists, Inc.
          > >
          > > If you live in the townhomes and have concerns
          > > regarding snow removal withing your drives and walks,
          > > please call your management company -> PSI, NOT Summit
          > > Management Specialists, Inc.
          > >
          > > I have long since purged any contact information for
          > > PSI from my memory, as I would advise you to do as
          > > well, but that is a tale not for here.
          > >
          > > Lastly, that was alot of snow and there is more on the
          > > way. As I drive to work in Vernon Hills and peek into
          > > their subdivsions, rest assured, they are not better
          > > off than we at this time. Be patient, be safe, have a
          > > Mai Tai, put on a Hawaiian shirt and put on some
          > > Buffet it will be 100' with 1000% humidity before we
          > > know it.
          > >
          > > BTW, if you need help, try young Mr. Starzec and see
          > > if he is available.
          > >
          >
        • Diana Gonzalez
          I noticed your corner Angela and I would have to say that you have way more than 13 inches of snow on that corner and by your fire hydrant. It is obvious that
          Message 4 of 10 , Feb 10, 2008
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            I noticed your corner Angela and I would have to say that you have way more than 13 inches of snow on that corner and by your fire hydrant.  It is obvious that the plows end up dumping right on your corner there.  I would think and hope that the plows could attempt to find a better way to remove the snow, not just on a corner, especially one that happens to be a bus stop.  With all of this snow and frigid weather, we have had a hard time removing what the plows dump on the end of our driveway.  I can't imagine you being able to remove all the snow the plows have dumped on you there.  Have you called the village to complain?  That is really the only alternative I see unless someone has a different thought.
             
            Diane

            Angela Gargiulo <agargiulo3982@...> wrote:
            With all due respect, just because it may seem that some people did
            not shovel their walks or the fire hydrandts (during the last storm
            we removed snow from our sidewalks, driveway and fire hydrant 7
            times) does not been it has not been done or they should be assumed
            to be lazy.... I happen to live on a corner and try to keep up with
            the snow as much as possible, but having said that, after several
            runs of the village snow plows and the high winds causing blowing
            snow(primarily in the overnight hours) they buried in both the
            corner sidewalks and the hydrant in front of our house. A casual
            observer would think that nothing was done. If you have any
            suggestions as to how we are supposed to remove over 13 inches of
            heavy snow, that has been packed down by the plows, at one time I
            would love to hear them. I am the first to agree that our
            children's safety is number 1 but there is only so much one can do
            short of being outside 24/7 to remove snow. Also, I think the
            village should be made aware of the bus stops for the older kids,
            they plow in those areas and the kids are standing in the streets.

            Angela

            --- In madronavillage2@ yahoogroups. com, "Jennifer" <jen_79@...>
            wrote:
            >
            >
            > Also in case you haven't noticed, all the fire hydrants are
            getting
            > buried by snow. In case of a fire in your home, it is essential
            that
            > the fire department be able to access these quickly. Please take a
            > few moments and shovel from the street to and around the hydrants
            > near your homes. It could make a difference between saving a life
            or
            > a home or loosing it. If you have any elderly or disabled
            neighbors,
            > please help them out with their driveways. It is a village
            ordinance
            > that you clear your sidewalks of snow. Some of the neighborhood
            > children are forced to walk to the Park Campus School but because
            the
            > sidewalks aren't clear they have to walk in the street. I do not
            want
            > to hear of a child being struck by a car because a resident was
            too
            > lazy to shovel their walk. If everyone is patient with Public
            Works
            > and does the responsible thing then we can all get through this
            > safely together.
            >
            > KURT
            >
            >
            > --- In madronavillage2@ yahoogroups. com, Al Villasenor
            > <goinyard1244@ > wrote:
            > >
            > > Hi All:
            > >
            > > Just a quick note with snow removal information.
            > >
            > > Please note that within Madrona Village the streets
            > > have been turned over to the Village of Round Lake.
            > > As such, any calls regarding snow removal on those
            > > streets should be directed to the Round Lake Public
            > > Works Department.
            > >
            > > If you live in Madrona Ridge, those streets have not
            > > yet been turned over to the village. Please direct
            > > your calls to your HOA management company -> PSI, NOT
            > > Summit Management Specialists, Inc.
            > >
            > > If you live in the townhomes and have concerns
            > > regarding snow removal withing your drives and walks,
            > > please call your management company -> PSI, NOT Summit
            > > Management Specialists, Inc.
            > >
            > > I have long since purged any contact information for
            > > PSI from my memory, as I would advise you to do as
            > > well, but that is a tale not for here.
            > >
            > > Lastly, that was alot of snow and there is more on the
            > > way. As I drive to work in Vernon Hills and peek into
            > > their subdivsions, rest assured, they are not better
            > > off than we at this time. Be patient, be safe, have a
            > > Mai Tai, put on a Hawaiian shirt and put on some
            > > Buffet it will be 100' with 1000% humidity before we
            > > know it.
            > >
            > > BTW, if you need help, try young Mr. Starzec and see
            > > if he is available.
            > >
            >


          • KURT RODEWALD
            It seems that a lot of blame is being put on the village. Having been in a plow truck myself plowing a neighboring village s streets this week, I feel that
            Message 5 of 10 , Feb 10, 2008
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              It seems that a lot of blame is being put on the village. Having been in a plow truck myself plowing a neighboring village's streets this week, I feel that some explanation is in order. This snow is incredibly wet and heavy. The plows can only push it so far. Along the sides of the road it gets so high that it will no longer get onto the parkways there for it ends up on the corners. That's just the way it is. This is not a perfect science. The plow drivers cannot memorize all the bus stops in the village. These guys are working incredible hours trying to clear the streets. Residents are responsible for the sidewalks. If you live on a corner, you will get extra snow piled on your corner. That's just the way it is. It's not a personal thing. They are not doing it to you on purpose. Don't complain about how it is done unless you intend to get in a truck and work 12+ hrs to clear the streets yourself. Also there is a salt shortage effecting most of the towns in northern Illinois. In case you haven't noticed the village is resorting to using sand to help with the icy conditions. All I ask is that everyone tries to be patient and makes an effort to do their part. Before long it will be spring and we won't have to deal with this for another year.
              Diana Gonzalez <drngonzalez@...> wrote:
              I noticed your corner Angela and I would have to say that you have way more than 13 inches of snow on that corner and by your fire hydrant.  It is obvious that the plows end up dumping right on your corner there.  I would think and hope that the plows could attempt to find a better way to remove the snow, not just on a corner, especially one that happens to be a bus stop.  With all of this snow and frigid weather, we have had a hard time removing what the plows dump on the end of our driveway.  I can't imagine you being able to remove all the snow the plows have dumped on you there.  Have you called the village to complain?  That is really the only alternative I see unless someone has a different thought.
               
              Diane

              Angela Gargiulo <agargiulo3982@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:
              With all due respect, just because it may seem that some people did
              not shovel their walks or the fire hydrandts (during the last storm
              we removed snow from our sidewalks, driveway and fire hydrant 7
              times) does not been it has not been done or they should be assumed
              to be lazy.... I happen to live on a corner and try to keep up with
              the snow as much as possible, but having said that, after several
              runs of the village snow plows and the high winds causing blowing
              snow(primarily in the overnight hours) they buried in both the
              corner sidewalks and the hydrant in front of our house. A casual
              observer would think that nothing was done. If you have any
              suggestions as to how we are supposed to remove over 13 inches of
              heavy snow, that has been packed down by the plows, at one time I
              would love to hear them. I am the first to agree that our
              children's safety is number 1 but there is only so much one can do
              short of being outside 24/7 to remove snow. Also, I think the
              village should be made aware of the bus stops for the older kids,
              they plow in those areas and the kids are standing in the streets.

              Angela

              --- In madronavillage2@ yahoogroups. com, "Jennifer" <jen_79@...>
              wrote:
              >
              >
              > Also in case you haven't noticed, all the fire hydrants are
              getting
              > buried by snow. In case of a fire in your home, it is essential
              that
              > the fire department be able to access these quickly. Please take a
              > few moments and shovel from the street to and around the hydrants
              > near your homes. It could make a difference between saving a life
              or
              > a home or loosing it. If you have any elderly or disabled
              neighbors,
              > please help them out with their driveways. It is a village
              ordinance
              > that you clear your sidewalks of snow. Some of the neighborhood
              > children are forced to walk to the Park Campus School but because
              the
              > sidewalks aren't clear they have to walk in the street. I do not
              want
              > to hear of a child being struck by a car because a resident was
              too
              > lazy to shovel their walk. If everyone is patient with Public
              Works
              > and does the responsible thing then we can all get through this
              > safely together.
              >
              > KURT
              >
              >
              > --- In madronavillage2@ yahoogroups. com, Al Villasenor
              > <goinyard1244@ > wrote:
              > >
              > > Hi All:
              > >
              > > Just a quick note with snow removal information.
              > >
              > > Please note that within Madrona Village the streets
              > > have been turned over to the Village of Round Lake.
              > > As such, any calls regarding snow removal on those
              > > streets should be directed to the Round Lake Public
              > > Works Department.
              > >
              > > If you live in Madrona Ridge, those streets have not
              > > yet been turned over to the village. Please direct
              > > your calls to your HOA management company -> PSI, NOT
              > > Summit Management Specialists, Inc.
              > >
              > > If you live in the townhomes and have concerns
              > > regarding snow removal withing your drives and walks,
              > > please call your management company -> PSI, NOT Summit
              > > Management Specialists, Inc.
              > >
              > > I have long since purged any contact information for
              > > PSI from my memory, as I would advise you to do as
              > > well, but that is a tale not for here.
              > >
              > > Lastly, that was alot of snow and there is more on the
              > > way. As I drive to work in Vernon Hills and peek into
              > > their subdivsions, rest assured, they are not better
              > > off than we at this time. Be patient, be safe, have a
              > > Mai Tai, put on a Hawaiian shirt and put on some
              > > Buffet it will be 100' with 1000% humidity before we
              > > know it.
              > >
              > > BTW, if you need help, try young Mr. Starzec and see
              > > if he is available.
              > >
              >



            • Diana Gonzalez
              My statement to Angela was that of understanding and trying to help her find a resolution. No blame was put on the village but if homeowners are having a
              Message 6 of 10 , Feb 11, 2008
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                My statement to Angela was that of understanding and trying to help her find a resolution.  No blame was put on the village but if homeowners are having a difficult time removing the "incredible wet and heavy snow" (as you, yourself, stated) from their corner or hydrant who do they turn to?  Maybe "complain" was too strong of a word on my part but I happen to know Angela and I happen to know that they do everything to keep that area clean and I happen to know that she has voiced her concerns many times about this problem.  My suggestion on this or any future suggestions I have may not be the solution but at least I am trying to think of ways to help a neighbor with an ongoing problem.  I was quite insulted by your statement "Don't complain about how it is done unless you intend to get in a truck and work 12+ hours to clear the street yourself".  Since our concern is strictly for the safety of our children, wouldn't it be more beneficial to try and help each other with solutions instead of making statements like that?
                 
                Diane
                 
                KURT RODEWALD <mfd87@...> wrote:
                It seems that a lot of blame is being put on the village. Having been in a plow truck myself plowing a neighboring village's streets this week, I feel that some explanation is in order. This snow is incredibly wet and heavy. The plows can only push it so far. Along the sides of the road it gets so high that it will no longer get onto the parkways there for it ends up on the corners. That's just the way it is. This is not a perfect science. The plow drivers cannot memorize all the bus stops in the village. These guys are working incredible hours trying to clear the streets. Residents are responsible for the sidewalks. If you live on a corner, you will get extra snow piled on your corner. That's just the way it is. It's not a personal thing. They are not doing it to you on purpose. Don't complain about how it is done unless you intend to get in a truck and work 12+ hrs to clear the streets yourself. Also there is a salt shortage effecting most of the towns in northern Illinois. In case you haven't noticed the village is resorting to using sand to help with the icy conditions. All I ask is that everyone tries to be patient and makes an effort to do their part. Before long it will be spring and we won't have to deal with this for another year.
                Diana Gonzalez <drngonzalez@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:
                I noticed your corner Angela and I would have to say that you have way more than 13 inches of snow on that corner and by your fire hydrant.  It is obvious that the plows end up dumping right on your corner there.  I would think and hope that the plows could attempt to find a better way to remove the snow, not just on a corner, especially one that happens to be a bus stop.  With all of this snow and frigid weather, we have had a hard time removing what the plows dump on the end of our driveway.  I can't imagine you being able to remove all the snow the plows have dumped on you there.  Have you called the village to complain?  That is really the only alternative I see unless someone has a different thought.
                 
                Diane

                Angela Gargiulo <agargiulo3982@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:
                With all due respect, just because it may seem that some people did
                not shovel their walks or the fire hydrandts (during the last storm
                we removed snow from our sidewalks, driveway and fire hydrant 7
                times) does not been it has not been done or they should be assumed
                to be lazy.... I happen to live on a corner and try to keep up with
                the snow as much as possible, but having said that, after several
                runs of the village snow plows and the high winds causing blowing
                snow(primarily in the overnight hours) they buried in both the
                corner sidewalks and the hydrant in front of our house. A casual
                observer would think that nothing was done. If you have any
                suggestions as to how we are supposed to remove over 13 inches of
                heavy snow, that has been packed down by the plows, at one time I
                would love to hear them. I am the first to agree that our
                children's safety is number 1 but there is only so much one can do
                short of being outside 24/7 to remove snow. Also, I think the
                village should be made aware of the bus stops for the older kids,
                they plow in those areas and the kids are standing in the streets.

                Angela

                --- In madronavillage2@ yahoogroups. com, "Jennifer" <jen_79@...>
                wrote:
                >
                >
                > Also in case you haven't noticed, all the fire hydrants are
                getting
                > buried by snow. In case of a fire in your home, it is essential
                that
                > the fire department be able to access these quickly. Please take a
                > few moments and shovel from the street to and around the hydrants
                > near your homes. It could make a difference between saving a life
                or
                > a home or loosing it. If you have any elderly or disabled
                neighbors,
                > please help them out with their driveways. It is a village
                ordinance
                > that you clear your sidewalks of snow. Some of the neighborhood
                > children are forced to walk to the Park Campus School but because
                the
                > sidewalks aren't clear they have to walk in the street. I do not
                want
                > to hear of a child being struck by a car because a resident was
                too
                > lazy to shovel their walk. If everyone is patient with Public
                Works
                > and does the responsible thing then we can all get through this
                > safely together.
                >
                > KURT
                >
                >
                > --- In madronavillage2@ yahoogroups. com, Al Villasenor
                > <goinyard1244@ > wrote:
                > >
                > > Hi All:
                > >
                > > Just a quick note with snow removal information.
                > >
                > > Please note that within Madrona Village the streets
                > > have been turned over to the Village of Round Lake.
                > > As such, any calls regarding snow removal on those
                > > streets should be directed to the Round Lake Public
                > > Works Department.
                > >
                > > If you live in Madrona Ridge, those streets have not
                > > yet been turned over to the village. Please direct
                > > your calls to your HOA management company -> PSI, NOT
                > > Summit Management Specialists, Inc.
                > >
                > > If you live in the townhomes and have concerns
                > > regarding snow removal withing your drives and walks,
                > > please call your management company -> PSI, NOT Summit
                > > Management Specialists, Inc.
                > >
                > > I have long since purged any contact information for
                > > PSI from my memory, as I would advise you to do as
                > > well, but that is a tale not for here.
                > >
                > > Lastly, that was alot of snow and there is more on the
                > > way. As I drive to work in Vernon Hills and peek into
                > > their subdivsions, rest assured, they are not better
                > > off than we at this time. Be patient, be safe, have a
                > > Mai Tai, put on a Hawaiian shirt and put on some
                > > Buffet it will be 100' with 1000% humidity before we
                > > know it.
                > >
                > > BTW, if you need help, try young Mr. Starzec and see
                > > if he is available.
                > >
                >




              • Jen Brandt
                How about cleaning the corner several times during the snow fall instead of waiting till their is 13 feet of snow piled up and no one being able to get through
                Message 7 of 10 , Feb 11, 2008
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                  How about cleaning the corner several times during the snow fall instead of waiting till their is 13 feet of snow piled up and no one being able to get through it because it is so heavy and frozen into a huge block of ice
                  It is no secret that the snow from the streets gets plowed up onto the end of our driveways/sidewalks, front lawns and the corners of our streets where else could it possibly go? 
                  We just have to keep up with the clean up and get out their more than 1 time
                  Sorry I am with Kurt and Matt on this one
                   
                   
                    

                  Diana Gonzalez <drngonzalez@...> wrote:
                  My statement to Angela was that of understanding and trying to help her find a resolution.  No blame was put on the village but if homeowners are having a difficult time removing the "incredible wet and heavy snow" (as you, yourself, stated) from their corner or hydrant who do they turn to?  Maybe "complain" was too strong of a word on my part but I happen to know Angela and I happen to know that they do everything to keep that area clean and I happen to know that she has voiced her concerns many times about this problem.  My suggestion on this or any future suggestions I have may not be the solution but at least I am trying to think of ways to help a neighbor with an ongoing problem.  I was quite insulted by your statement "Don't complain about how it is done unless you intend to get in a truck and work 12+ hours to clear the street yourself".  Since our concern is strictly for the safety of our children, wouldn't it be more beneficial to try and help each other with solutions instead of making statements like that?
                   
                  Diane
                   
                  KURT RODEWALD <mfd87@sbcglobal. net> wrote:
                  It seems that a lot of blame is being put on the village. Having been in a plow truck myself plowing a neighboring village's streets this week, I feel that some explanation is in order. This snow is incredibly wet and heavy. The plows can only push it so far. Along the sides of the road it gets so high that it will no longer get onto the parkways there for it ends up on the corners. That's just the way it is. This is not a perfect science. The plow drivers cannot memorize all the bus stops in the village. These guys are working incredible hours trying to clear the streets. Residents are responsible for the sidewalks. If you live on a corner, you will get extra snow piled on your corner. That's just the way it is. It's not a personal thing. They are not doing it to you on purpose. Don't complain about how it is done unless you intend to get in a truck and work 12+ hrs to clear the streets yourself. Also there is a salt shortage effecting most of the towns in northern Illinois. In case you haven't noticed the village is resorting to using sand to help with the icy conditions. All I ask is that everyone tries to be patient and makes an effort to do their part. Before long it will be spring and we won't have to deal with this for another year.
                  Diana Gonzalez <drngonzalez@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:
                  I noticed your corner Angela and I would have to say that you have way more than 13 inches of snow on that corner and by your fire hydrant.  It is obvious that the plows end up dumping right on your corner there.  I would think and hope that the plows could attempt to find a better way to remove the snow, not just on a corner, especially one that happens to be a bus stop.  With all of this snow and frigid weather, we have had a hard time removing what the plows dump on the end of our driveway.  I can't imagine you being able to remove all the snow the plows have dumped on you there.  Have you called the village to complain?  That is really the only alternative I see unless someone has a different thought.
                   
                  Diane

                  Angela Gargiulo <agargiulo3982@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:
                  With all due respect, just because it may seem that some people did
                  not shovel their walks or the fire hydrandts (during the last storm
                  we removed snow from our sidewalks, driveway and fire hydrant 7
                  times) does not been it has not been done or they should be assumed
                  to be lazy.... I happen to live on a corner and try to keep up with
                  the snow as much as possible, but having said that, after several
                  runs of the village snow plows and the high winds causing blowing
                  snow(primarily in the overnight hours) they buried in both the
                  corner sidewalks and the hydrant in front of our house. A casual
                  observer would think that nothing was done. If you have any
                  suggestions as to how we are supposed to remove over 13 inches of
                  heavy snow, that has been packed down by the plows, at one time I
                  would love to hear them. I am the first to agree that our
                  children's safety is number 1 but there is only so much one can do
                  short of being outside 24/7 to remove snow. Also, I think the
                  village should be made aware of the bus stops for the older kids,
                  they plow in those areas and the kids are standing in the streets.

                  Angela

                  --- In madronavillage2@ yahoogroups. com, "Jennifer" <jen_79@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > Also in case you haven't noticed, all the fire hydrants are
                  getting
                  > buried by snow. In case of a fire in your home, it is essential
                  that
                  > the fire department be able to access these quickly. Please take a
                  > few moments and shovel from the street to and around the hydrants
                  > near your homes. It could make a difference between saving a life
                  or
                  > a home or loosing it. If you have any elderly or disabled
                  neighbors,
                  > please help them out with their driveways. It is a village
                  ordinance
                  > that you clear your sidewalks of snow. Some of the neighborhood
                  > children are forced to walk to the Park Campus School but because
                  the
                  > sidewalks aren't clear they have to walk in the street. I do not
                  want
                  > to hear of a child being struck by a car because a resident was
                  too
                  > lazy to shovel their walk. If everyone is patient with Public
                  Works
                  > and does the responsible thing then we can all get through this
                  > safely together.
                  >
                  > KURT
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In madronavillage2@ yahoogroups. com, Al Villasenor
                  > <goinyard1244@ > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Hi All:
                  > >
                  > > Just a quick note with snow removal information.
                  > >
                  > > Please note that within Madrona Village the streets
                  > > have been turned over to the Village of Round Lake.
                  > > As such, any calls regarding snow removal on those
                  > > streets should be directed to the Round Lake Public
                  > > Works Department.
                  > >
                  > > If you live in Madrona Ridge, those streets have not
                  > > yet been turned over to the village. Please direct
                  > > your calls to your HOA management company -> PSI, NOT
                  > > Summit Management Specialists, Inc.
                  > >
                  > > If you live in the townhomes and have concerns
                  > > regarding snow removal withing your drives and walks,
                  > > please call your management company -> PSI, NOT Summit
                  > > Management Specialists, Inc.
                  > >
                  > > I have long since purged any contact information for
                  > > PSI from my memory, as I would advise you to do as
                  > > well, but that is a tale not for here.
                  > >
                  > > Lastly, that was alot of snow and there is more on the
                  > > way. As I drive to work in Vernon Hills and peek into
                  > > their subdivsions, rest assured, they are not better
                  > > off than we at this time. Be patient, be safe, have a
                  > > Mai Tai, put on a Hawaiian shirt and put on some
                  > > Buffet it will be 100' with 1000% humidity before we
                  > > know it.
                  > >
                  > > BTW, if you need help, try young Mr. Starzec and see
                  > > if he is available.
                  > >
                  >





                • Angela Gargiulo
                  Jen, If you would go back to my original message I stated that we snow blowed 7 times during the day of that last storm, in addition to several times in the
                  Message 8 of 10 , Feb 11, 2008
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                    Jen,

                    If you would go back to my original message I stated that we snow
                    blowed 7 times during the day of that last storm, in addition to
                    several times in the days following to keep the end of our driveway
                    and sidewalks clean. We were able to keep up with the sidewalks to
                    the corner until the plows came through and dumped the accumlated
                    snow on them.

                    I want to be clear as to the reason my initial message was
                    written!!! I do not appreciated being labeled as lazy when people
                    are unaware of the circumstances that they are speaking about!!! I
                    am not dissing the snow plow drivers or the village. I think they
                    do their jobs. I am dissing the individual who every time it snows
                    gets on this website and calls people lazy because he feels they do
                    not do their sidewalks/driveways!! The bus stop issue does not
                    involve a driveway or corner sidewalk that is maintained by a
                    homeowner, the bus stops in the middle of the intersection of
                    Cambria and Concord, thus when the plows push all the snow to the
                    dead end by the entrance to the walking path and the bus stop there
                    is no place for the kids to stand other than in the street. I can
                    tell you that when the buses come to pick up the kids they blow
                    through the stop sign on the corner and stop in the middle of the
                    intersection. Just think about the consequences of a child standing
                    in the street because the bus stop is buried and this bus not being
                    able to stop because it is going to fast and hits ice. I would not
                    want to have to witness that event!!!

                    Angela

                    --- In madronavillage2@yahoogroups.com, Jen Brandt <jen_79@...>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > How about cleaning the corner several times during the snow fall
                    instead of waiting till their is 13 feet of snow piled up and no one
                    being able to get through it because it is so heavy and frozen into
                    a huge block of ice
                    > It is no secret that the snow from the streets gets plowed up
                    onto the end of our driveways/sidewalks, front lawns and the corners
                    of our streets where else could it possibly go?
                    > We just have to keep up with the clean up and get out their more
                    than 1 time
                    > Sorry I am with Kurt and Matt on this one
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Diana Gonzalez <drngonzalez@...> wrote:
                    > My statement to Angela was that of understanding and
                    trying to help her find a resolution. No blame was put on the
                    village but if homeowners are having a difficult time removing
                    the "incredible wet and heavy snow" (as you, yourself, stated) from
                    their corner or hydrant who do they turn to? Maybe "complain" was
                    too strong of a word on my part but I happen to know Angela and I
                    happen to know that they do everything to keep that area clean and I
                    happen to know that she has voiced her concerns many times about
                    this problem. My suggestion on this or any future suggestions I
                    have may not be the solution but at least I am trying to think of
                    ways to help a neighbor with an ongoing problem. I was quite
                    insulted by your statement "Don't complain about how it is done
                    unless you intend to get in a truck and work 12+ hours to clear the
                    street yourself". Since our concern is strictly for the safety of
                    our children, wouldn't it be more beneficial to try and help each
                    > other with solutions instead of making statements like that?
                    >
                    > Diane
                    >
                    > KURT RODEWALD <mfd87@...> wrote:
                    > It seems that a lot of blame is being put on the village.
                    Having been in a plow truck myself plowing a neighboring village's
                    streets this week, I feel that some explanation is in order. This
                    snow is incredibly wet and heavy. The plows can only push it so far.
                    Along the sides of the road it gets so high that it will no longer
                    get onto the parkways there for it ends up on the corners. That's
                    just the way it is. This is not a perfect science. The plow drivers
                    cannot memorize all the bus stops in the village. These guys are
                    working incredible hours trying to clear the streets. Residents are
                    responsible for the sidewalks. If you live on a corner, you will get
                    extra snow piled on your corner. That's just the way it is. It's not
                    a personal thing. They are not doing it to you on purpose. Don't
                    complain about how it is done unless you intend to get in a truck
                    and work 12+ hrs to clear the streets yourself. Also there is a salt
                    shortage effecting most of the towns in northern
                    > Illinois. In case you haven't noticed the village is resorting to
                    using sand to help with the icy conditions. All I ask is that
                    everyone tries to be patient and makes an effort to do their part.
                    Before long it will be spring and we won't have to deal with this
                    for another year.
                    > Diana Gonzalez <drngonzalez@...> wrote: I noticed your
                    corner Angela and I would have to say that you have way more than 13
                    inches of snow on that corner and by your fire hydrant. It is
                    obvious that the plows end up dumping right on your corner there. I
                    would think and hope that the plows could attempt to find a better
                    way to remove the snow, not just on a corner, especially one that
                    happens to be a bus stop. With all of this snow and frigid weather,
                    we have had a hard time removing what the plows dump on the end of
                    our driveway. I can't imagine you being able to remove all the snow
                    the plows have dumped on you there. Have you called the village to
                    complain? That is really the only alternative I see unless someone
                    has a different thought.
                    >
                    > Diane
                    >
                    > Angela Gargiulo <agargiulo3982@...> wrote:
                    > With all due respect, just because it may seem that some
                    people did
                    > not shovel their walks or the fire hydrandts (during the last
                    storm
                    > we removed snow from our sidewalks, driveway and fire hydrant 7
                    > times) does not been it has not been done or they should be
                    assumed
                    > to be lazy.... I happen to live on a corner and try to keep up
                    with
                    > the snow as much as possible, but having said that, after several
                    > runs of the village snow plows and the high winds causing blowing
                    > snow(primarily in the overnight hours) they buried in both the
                    > corner sidewalks and the hydrant in front of our house. A casual
                    > observer would think that nothing was done. If you have any
                    > suggestions as to how we are supposed to remove over 13 inches of
                    > heavy snow, that has been packed down by the plows, at one time I
                    > would love to hear them. I am the first to agree that our
                    > children's safety is number 1 but there is only so much one can do
                    > short of being outside 24/7 to remove snow. Also, I think the
                    > village should be made aware of the bus stops for the older kids,
                    > they plow in those areas and the kids are standing in the streets.
                    >
                    > Angela
                    >
                    > --- In madronavillage2@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer" <jen_79@>
                    > wrote:
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Also in case you haven't noticed, all the fire hydrants are
                    > getting
                    > > buried by snow. In case of a fire in your home, it is essential
                    > that
                    > > the fire department be able to access these quickly. Please take
                    a
                    > > few moments and shovel from the street to and around the
                    hydrants
                    > > near your homes. It could make a difference between saving a
                    life
                    > or
                    > > a home or loosing it. If you have any elderly or disabled
                    > neighbors,
                    > > please help them out with their driveways. It is a village
                    > ordinance
                    > > that you clear your sidewalks of snow. Some of the neighborhood
                    > > children are forced to walk to the Park Campus School but
                    because
                    > the
                    > > sidewalks aren't clear they have to walk in the street. I do not
                    > want
                    > > to hear of a child being struck by a car because a resident was
                    > too
                    > > lazy to shovel their walk. If everyone is patient with Public
                    > Works
                    > > and does the responsible thing then we can all get through this
                    > > safely together.
                    > >
                    > > KURT
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In madronavillage2@yahoogroups.com, Al Villasenor
                    > > <goinyard1244@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Hi All:
                    > > >
                    > > > Just a quick note with snow removal information.
                    > > >
                    > > > Please note that within Madrona Village the streets
                    > > > have been turned over to the Village of Round Lake.
                    > > > As such, any calls regarding snow removal on those
                    > > > streets should be directed to the Round Lake Public
                    > > > Works Department.
                    > > >
                    > > > If you live in Madrona Ridge, those streets have not
                    > > > yet been turned over to the village. Please direct
                    > > > your calls to your HOA management company -> PSI, NOT
                    > > > Summit Management Specialists, Inc.
                    > > >
                    > > > If you live in the townhomes and have concerns
                    > > > regarding snow removal withing your drives and walks,
                    > > > please call your management company -> PSI, NOT Summit
                    > > > Management Specialists, Inc.
                    > > >
                    > > > I have long since purged any contact information for
                    > > > PSI from my memory, as I would advise you to do as
                    > > > well, but that is a tale not for here.
                    > > >
                    > > > Lastly, that was alot of snow and there is more on the
                    > > > way. As I drive to work in Vernon Hills and peek into
                    > > > their subdivsions, rest assured, they are not better
                    > > > off than we at this time. Be patient, be safe, have a
                    > > > Mai Tai, put on a Hawaiian shirt and put on some
                    > > > Buffet it will be 100' with 1000% humidity before we
                    > > > know it.
                    > > >
                    > > > BTW, if you need help, try young Mr. Starzec and see
                    > > > if he is available.
                    > > >
                    > >
                    >
                  • Jamie
                    Does the great snow debate of 08 mean we all won t be getting together for a block party in the summer? ... standing ... one ... corners ... more ... I ...
                    Message 9 of 10 , Feb 11, 2008
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                      Does the great snow debate of 08 mean we all won't be getting
                      together for a block party in the summer?

                      --- In madronavillage2@yahoogroups.com, "Angela Gargiulo"
                      <agargiulo3982@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Jen,
                      >
                      > If you would go back to my original message I stated that we snow
                      > blowed 7 times during the day of that last storm, in addition to
                      > several times in the days following to keep the end of our driveway
                      > and sidewalks clean. We were able to keep up with the sidewalks to
                      > the corner until the plows came through and dumped the accumlated
                      > snow on them.
                      >
                      > I want to be clear as to the reason my initial message was
                      > written!!! I do not appreciated being labeled as lazy when people
                      > are unaware of the circumstances that they are speaking about!!! I
                      > am not dissing the snow plow drivers or the village. I think they
                      > do their jobs. I am dissing the individual who every time it snows
                      > gets on this website and calls people lazy because he feels they do
                      > not do their sidewalks/driveways!! The bus stop issue does not
                      > involve a driveway or corner sidewalk that is maintained by a
                      > homeowner, the bus stops in the middle of the intersection of
                      > Cambria and Concord, thus when the plows push all the snow to the
                      > dead end by the entrance to the walking path and the bus stop there
                      > is no place for the kids to stand other than in the street. I can
                      > tell you that when the buses come to pick up the kids they blow
                      > through the stop sign on the corner and stop in the middle of the
                      > intersection. Just think about the consequences of a child
                      standing
                      > in the street because the bus stop is buried and this bus not being
                      > able to stop because it is going to fast and hits ice. I would not
                      > want to have to witness that event!!!
                      >
                      > Angela
                      >
                      > --- In madronavillage2@yahoogroups.com, Jen Brandt <jen_79@>
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > How about cleaning the corner several times during the snow fall
                      > instead of waiting till their is 13 feet of snow piled up and no
                      one
                      > being able to get through it because it is so heavy and frozen into
                      > a huge block of ice
                      > > It is no secret that the snow from the streets gets plowed up
                      > onto the end of our driveways/sidewalks, front lawns and the
                      corners
                      > of our streets where else could it possibly go?
                      > > We just have to keep up with the clean up and get out their
                      more
                      > than 1 time
                      > > Sorry I am with Kurt and Matt on this one
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Diana Gonzalez <drngonzalez@> wrote:
                      > > My statement to Angela was that of understanding and
                      > trying to help her find a resolution. No blame was put on the
                      > village but if homeowners are having a difficult time removing
                      > the "incredible wet and heavy snow" (as you, yourself, stated) from
                      > their corner or hydrant who do they turn to? Maybe "complain" was
                      > too strong of a word on my part but I happen to know Angela and I
                      > happen to know that they do everything to keep that area clean and
                      I
                      > happen to know that she has voiced her concerns many times about
                      > this problem. My suggestion on this or any future suggestions I
                      > have may not be the solution but at least I am trying to think of
                      > ways to help a neighbor with an ongoing problem. I was quite
                      > insulted by your statement "Don't complain about how it is done
                      > unless you intend to get in a truck and work 12+ hours to clear the
                      > street yourself". Since our concern is strictly for the safety of
                      > our children, wouldn't it be more beneficial to try and help each
                      > > other with solutions instead of making statements like that?
                      > >
                      > > Diane
                      > >
                      > > KURT RODEWALD <mfd87@> wrote:
                      > > It seems that a lot of blame is being put on the village.
                      > Having been in a plow truck myself plowing a neighboring village's
                      > streets this week, I feel that some explanation is in order. This
                      > snow is incredibly wet and heavy. The plows can only push it so
                      far.
                      > Along the sides of the road it gets so high that it will no longer
                      > get onto the parkways there for it ends up on the corners. That's
                      > just the way it is. This is not a perfect science. The plow drivers
                      > cannot memorize all the bus stops in the village. These guys are
                      > working incredible hours trying to clear the streets. Residents are
                      > responsible for the sidewalks. If you live on a corner, you will
                      get
                      > extra snow piled on your corner. That's just the way it is. It's
                      not
                      > a personal thing. They are not doing it to you on purpose. Don't
                      > complain about how it is done unless you intend to get in a truck
                      > and work 12+ hrs to clear the streets yourself. Also there is a
                      salt
                      > shortage effecting most of the towns in northern
                      > > Illinois. In case you haven't noticed the village is resorting
                      to
                      > using sand to help with the icy conditions. All I ask is that
                      > everyone tries to be patient and makes an effort to do their part.
                      > Before long it will be spring and we won't have to deal with this
                      > for another year.
                      > > Diana Gonzalez <drngonzalez@> wrote: I noticed your
                      > corner Angela and I would have to say that you have way more than
                      13
                      > inches of snow on that corner and by your fire hydrant. It is
                      > obvious that the plows end up dumping right on your corner there.
                      I
                      > would think and hope that the plows could attempt to find a better
                      > way to remove the snow, not just on a corner, especially one that
                      > happens to be a bus stop. With all of this snow and frigid
                      weather,
                      > we have had a hard time removing what the plows dump on the end of
                      > our driveway. I can't imagine you being able to remove all the
                      snow
                      > the plows have dumped on you there. Have you called the village to
                      > complain? That is really the only alternative I see unless someone
                      > has a different thought.
                      > >
                      > > Diane
                      > >
                      > > Angela Gargiulo <agargiulo3982@> wrote:
                      > > With all due respect, just because it may seem that some
                      > people did
                      > > not shovel their walks or the fire hydrandts (during the last
                      > storm
                      > > we removed snow from our sidewalks, driveway and fire hydrant 7
                      > > times) does not been it has not been done or they should be
                      > assumed
                      > > to be lazy.... I happen to live on a corner and try to keep up
                      > with
                      > > the snow as much as possible, but having said that, after several
                      > > runs of the village snow plows and the high winds causing blowing
                      > > snow(primarily in the overnight hours) they buried in both the
                      > > corner sidewalks and the hydrant in front of our house. A casual
                      > > observer would think that nothing was done. If you have any
                      > > suggestions as to how we are supposed to remove over 13 inches of
                      > > heavy snow, that has been packed down by the plows, at one time I
                      > > would love to hear them. I am the first to agree that our
                      > > children's safety is number 1 but there is only so much one can
                      do
                      > > short of being outside 24/7 to remove snow. Also, I think the
                      > > village should be made aware of the bus stops for the older kids,
                      > > they plow in those areas and the kids are standing in the streets.
                      > >
                      > > Angela
                      > >
                      > > --- In madronavillage2@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer" <jen_79@>
                      > > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Also in case you haven't noticed, all the fire hydrants are
                      > > getting
                      > > > buried by snow. In case of a fire in your home, it is essential
                      > > that
                      > > > the fire department be able to access these quickly. Please
                      take
                      > a
                      > > > few moments and shovel from the street to and around the
                      > hydrants
                      > > > near your homes. It could make a difference between saving a
                      > life
                      > > or
                      > > > a home or loosing it. If you have any elderly or disabled
                      > > neighbors,
                      > > > please help them out with their driveways. It is a village
                      > > ordinance
                      > > > that you clear your sidewalks of snow. Some of the neighborhood
                      > > > children are forced to walk to the Park Campus School but
                      > because
                      > > the
                      > > > sidewalks aren't clear they have to walk in the street. I do
                      not
                      > > want
                      > > > to hear of a child being struck by a car because a resident was
                      > > too
                      > > > lazy to shovel their walk. If everyone is patient with Public
                      > > Works
                      > > > and does the responsible thing then we can all get through this
                      > > > safely together.
                      > > >
                      > > > KURT
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In madronavillage2@yahoogroups.com, Al Villasenor
                      > > > <goinyard1244@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hi All:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Just a quick note with snow removal information.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Please note that within Madrona Village the streets
                      > > > > have been turned over to the Village of Round Lake.
                      > > > > As such, any calls regarding snow removal on those
                      > > > > streets should be directed to the Round Lake Public
                      > > > > Works Department.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > If you live in Madrona Ridge, those streets have not
                      > > > > yet been turned over to the village. Please direct
                      > > > > your calls to your HOA management company -> PSI, NOT
                      > > > > Summit Management Specialists, Inc.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > If you live in the townhomes and have concerns
                      > > > > regarding snow removal withing your drives and walks,
                      > > > > please call your management company -> PSI, NOT Summit
                      > > > > Management Specialists, Inc.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I have long since purged any contact information for
                      > > > > PSI from my memory, as I would advise you to do as
                      > > > > well, but that is a tale not for here.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Lastly, that was alot of snow and there is more on the
                      > > > > way. As I drive to work in Vernon Hills and peek into
                      > > > > their subdivsions, rest assured, they are not better
                      > > > > off than we at this time. Be patient, be safe, have a
                      > > > > Mai Tai, put on a Hawaiian shirt and put on some
                      > > > > Buffet it will be 100' with 1000% humidity before we
                      > > > > know it.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > BTW, if you need help, try young Mr. Starzec and see
                      > > > > if he is available.
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • Stu Mantell
                      Sure brings out the best in everyone. Just remember Pitchers and Catchers report Wednesday and only 48 days until the first pitch for the Boys in Blue. Stuart
                      Message 10 of 10 , Feb 11, 2008
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                        Sure brings out the best in everyone. Just remember Pitchers and Catchers report Wednesday and only 48 days until the first pitch for the Boys in Blue.
                         
                        Stuart M Mantell
                         


                        ----- Original Message ----
                        From: Jamie <caffeinated_mama@...>
                        To: madronavillage2@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:49:41 PM
                        Subject: [madronavillage2] Re: Snow Removal Concerns

                        Does the great snow debate of 08 mean we all won't be getting
                        together for a block party in the summer?

                        --- In madronavillage2@ yahoogroups. com, "Angela Gargiulo"
                        <agargiulo3982@ ...> wrote:

                        >
                        > Jen,
                        >
                        > If you would go back to my original message I stated that we snow
                        > blowed 7 times during the day of that last storm, in addition to
                        > several times in the days following to keep the end of our driveway
                        > and sidewalks clean. We were able to keep up with the sidewalks to
                        > the corner until the plows came through and dumped the accumlated
                        > snow on them.
                        >
                        > I want to be clear as to the reason my initial message was
                        > written!!! I do not appreciated being labeled as lazy when people
                        > are unaware of the
                        circumstances that they are speaking about!!! I
                        > am not dissing the snow plow drivers or the village. I think they
                        > do their jobs. I am dissing the individual who every time it snows
                        > gets on this website and calls people lazy because he feels they do
                        > not do their sidewalks/driveways !! The bus stop issue does not
                        > involve a driveway or corner sidewalk that is maintained by a
                        > homeowner, the bus stops in the middle of the intersection of
                        > Cambria and Concord, thus when the plows push all the snow to the
                        > dead end by the entrance to the walking path and the bus stop there
                        > is no place for the kids to stand other than in the street. I can
                        > tell you that when the buses come to pick up the kids they blow
                        > through the stop sign on the corner and stop in the middle of the
                        > intersection. Just think about the consequences of a child
                        standing
                        > in the
                        street because the bus stop is buried and this bus not being
                        > able to stop because it is going to fast and hits ice. I would not
                        > want to have to witness that event!!!
                        >
                        > Angela
                        >
                        > --- In madronavillage2@ yahoogroups. com, Jen Brandt <jen_79@>
                        > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > How about cleaning the corner several times during the snow fall
                        > instead of waiting till their is 13 feet of snow piled up and no
                        one
                        > being able to get through it because it is so heavy and frozen into
                        > a huge block of ice
                        > > It is no secret that the snow from the streets gets plowed up
                        > onto the end of our driveways/sidewalks , front lawns and the
                        corners
                        > of our streets where else could it possibly go?
                        > > We just have
                        to keep up with the clean up and get out their
                        more
                        > than 1 time
                        > > Sorry I am with Kurt and Matt on this one
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Diana Gonzalez <drngonzalez@ > wrote:
                        > > My statement to Angela was that of understanding and
                        > trying to help her find a resolution. No blame was put on the
                        > village but if homeowners are having a difficult time removing
                        > the "incredible wet and heavy snow" (as you, yourself, stated) from
                        > their corner or hydrant who do they turn to? Maybe "complain" was
                        > too strong of a word on my part but I happen to know Angela and I
                        > happen to know that they do everything to keep that area clean and
                        I
                        > happen to know that she has voiced her concerns many times about
                        > this problem. My suggestion on this or any future suggestions I
                        > have may not be the solution but at least I am
                        trying to think of
                        > ways to help a neighbor with an ongoing problem. I was quite
                        > insulted by your statement "Don't complain about how it is done
                        > unless you intend to get in a truck and work 12+ hours to clear the
                        > street yourself". Since our concern is strictly for the safety of
                        > our children, wouldn't it be more beneficial to try and help each
                        > > other with solutions instead of making statements like that?
                        > >
                        > > Diane
                        > >
                        > > KURT RODEWALD <mfd87@> wrote:
                        > > It seems that a lot of blame is being put on the village.
                        > Having been in a plow truck myself plowing a neighboring village's
                        > streets this week, I feel that some explanation is in order. This
                        > snow is incredibly wet and heavy. The plows can only push it so
                        far.
                        > Along the sides of the road it gets so high that it will no longer
                        > get onto the
                        parkways there for it ends up on the corners. That's
                        > just the way it is. This is not a perfect science. The plow drivers
                        > cannot memorize all the bus stops in the village. These guys are
                        > working incredible hours trying to clear the streets. Residents are
                        > responsible for the sidewalks. If you live on a corner, you will
                        get
                        > extra snow piled on your corner. That's just the way it is. It's
                        not
                        > a personal thing. They are not doing it to you on purpose. Don't
                        > complain about how it is done unless you intend to get in a truck
                        > and work 12+ hrs to clear the streets yourself. Also there is a
                        salt
                        > shortage effecting most of the towns in northern
                        > > Illinois. In case you haven't noticed the village is resorting
                        to
                        > using sand to help with the icy conditions. All I ask is that
                        > everyone tries to be patient and makes an effort to do their part.
                        > Before long it will be spring and we won't have to deal with this
                        > for another year.
                        > > Diana Gonzalez <drngonzalez@ > wrote: I noticed your
                        > corner Angela and I would have to say that you have way more than
                        13
                        > inches of snow on that corner and by your fire hydrant. It is
                        > obvious that the plows end up dumping right on your corner there.
                        I
                        > would think and hope that the plows could attempt to find a better
                        > way to remove the snow, not just on a corner, especially one that
                        > happens to be a bus stop. With all of this snow and frigid
                        weather,
                        > we have had a hard time removing what the plows dump on the end of
                        > our driveway. I can't imagine you being able to remove all the
                        snow
                        > the plows have dumped on you there. Have you called the village to
                        > complain? That is really the only alternative I see unless someone
                        > has a
                        different thought.
                        > >
                        > > Diane
                        > >
                        > > Angela Gargiulo <agargiulo3982@ > wrote:
                        > > With all due respect, just because it may seem that some
                        > people did
                        > > not shovel their walks or the fire hydrandts (during the last
                        > storm
                        > > we removed snow from our sidewalks, driveway and fire hydrant 7
                        > > times) does not been it has not been done or they should be
                        > assumed
                        > > to be lazy.... I happen to live on a corner and try to keep up
                        > with
                        > > the snow as much as possible, but having said that, after several
                        > > runs of the village snow plows and the high winds causing blowing
                        > > snow(primarily in the overnight hours) they buried in both the
                        > > corner sidewalks and the hydrant in front of our house. A casual
                        > > observer would think that nothing was done. If you have any
                        > > suggestions as to how we are supposed to remove over 13 inches of
                        > > heavy snow, that has been packed down by the plows, at one time I
                        > > would love to hear them. I am the first to agree that our
                        > > children's safety is number 1 but there is only so much one can
                        do
                        > > short of being outside 24/7 to remove snow. Also, I think the
                        > > village should be made aware of the bus stops for the older kids,
                        > > they plow in those areas and the kids are standing in the streets.
                        > >
                        > > Angela
                        > >
                        > > --- In madronavillage2@ yahoogroups. com, "Jennifer" <jen_79@>
                        > > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Also in case you haven't noticed, all the fire hydrants are
                        > > getting
                        > > > buried by snow. In case of a fire in your home, it is essential
                        > > that
                        > > > the fire department be able to access these quickly. Please
                        take
                        > a
                        > > > few moments and shovel from the street to and around the
                        > hydrants
                        > > > near your homes. It could make a difference between saving a
                        > life
                        > > or
                        > > > a home or loosing it. If you have any elderly or disabled
                        > > neighbors,
                        > > > please help them out with their driveways. It is a village
                        > > ordinance
                        > > > that you clear your sidewalks of snow. Some of the neighborhood
                        > > > children are forced to walk to the Park Campus School but
                        > because
                        > > the
                        > > > sidewalks aren't clear they have to walk in the street. I do
                        not
                        > > want
                        > > > to hear of a child being struck by a
                        car because a resident was
                        > > too
                        > > > lazy to shovel their walk. If everyone is patient with Public
                        > > Works
                        > > > and does the responsible thing then we can all get through this
                        > > > safely together.
                        > > >
                        > > > KURT
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In madronavillage2@ yahoogroups. com, Al Villasenor
                        > > > <goinyard1244@ > wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Hi All:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Just a quick note with snow removal information.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Please note that within Madrona Village the streets
                        > > > > have been turned over to the Village of Round Lake.
                        > > > > As such, any calls
                        regarding snow removal on those
                        > > > > streets should be directed to the Round Lake Public
                        > > > > Works Department.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > If you live in Madrona Ridge, those streets have not
                        > > > > yet been turned over to the village. Please direct
                        > > > > your calls to your HOA management company -> PSI, NOT
                        > > > > Summit Management Specialists, Inc.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > If you live in the townhomes and have concerns
                        > > > > regarding snow removal withing your drives and walks,
                        > > > > please call your management company -> PSI, NOT Summit
                        > > > > Management Specialists, Inc.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I have long since purged any contact information for
                        > > > > PSI from my memory, as I would advise you to do as
                        > > > > well,
                        but that is a tale not for here.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Lastly, that was alot of snow and there is more on the
                        > > > > way. As I drive to work in Vernon Hills and peek into
                        > > > > their subdivsions, rest assured, they are not better
                        > > > > off than we at this time. Be patient, be safe, have a
                        > > > > Mai Tai, put on a Hawaiian shirt and put on some
                        > > > > Buffet it will be 100' with 1000% humidity before we
                        > > > > know it.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > BTW, if you need help, try young Mr. Starzec and see
                        > > > > if he is available.
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >


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