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  • eo_ant
    Henry, How do you view an image full size? I see file sizes listed as thumbnail, screen, and full size, but haven t found the way to get to full size. Looks
    Message 1 of 28 , Apr 18, 2005
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      Henry,

      How do you view an image full size? I see file sizes listed as
      thumbnail, screen, and full size, but haven't found the way to get to
      full size.

      Looks like you must have used a plastic or nylon thru hull fitting.
      Did you use a sea cock on the inside or did you run tubing directly to
      the drain?

      Eric


      --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry Ning
      <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
      > Actually, I was able to add a thru hull and drain hose for the sink.
      See
      > a picture under Henry in photo section of where I mounted the thru
      hull.
      > Sorry about the quality... look at it full size to see better. Works
      good.
      >
      > Henry
      > http:// www.geocites.com/henry_ning
      >
      >
      > eo_ant wrote:
      >
      > >
      > > The drain on the sink looks pretty funky. Goes to a limp plastic jug.
      > > Looks like the sink might be a little low and too close to the side to
      > > simply put in a through hull fitting for the drain below the sink.
      > >
      > > Has anyone found a good solution?
      > >
      > > Eric
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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    • Henry Ning
      Eric When you go into my album, click on that thumbnail photo you want to see, it will then show the individual photo (screen size), click on the picture again
      Message 2 of 28 , Apr 18, 2005
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        Eric

        When you go into my album, click on that thumbnail photo you want to see, it will then show the individual photo (screen size), click on the picture again and you will get a full size photo.

        Yeah, I used a nylon thru hull fitting. I didn't bother with a sea cock, it's way above the water line. Have never had a problem with any water coming back in.

        Henry

        eo_ant wrote:

        Henry,

        How do you view an image full size? I see file sizes listed as
        thumbnail, screen, and full size, but haven't found the way to get to
        full size.

        Looks like you must have used a plastic or nylon thru hull fitting.
        Did you use a sea cock on the inside or did you run tubing directly to
        the drain?

        Eric


        --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry Ning
        <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
        > Actually, I was able to add a thru hull and drain hose for the sink.
        See
        > a picture under Henry in photo section of where I mounted the thru
        hull.
        > Sorry about the quality... look at it full size to see better. Works
        good.
        >
        > Henry
        > http:// www.geocites.com/henry_ning
        >
        >
        > eo_ant wrote:
        >
        > >
        > > The drain on the sink looks pretty funky. Goes to a limp plastic jug.
        > > Looks like the sink might be a little low and too close to the side to
        > > simply put in a through hull fitting for the drain below the sink.
        > >
        > > Has anyone found a good solution?
        > >
        > > Eric
        > >
        > >
        > >
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      • Bruce Puckett
        Henry and Eric, I really liked the idea of a through hull fitting for the sink drain. I picked up a through hull and was getting ready to install it, but the
        Message 3 of 28 , Aug 16, 2005
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          Henry and Eric,
          I really liked the idea of a through hull fitting for the sink
          drain. I picked up a through hull and was getting ready to install
          it, but the area where it looks like Henry installed his through
          hull is slightly flexible on JoJo. Have you had any problems with
          possible bumping a dock and cracking the hull around the hole where
          the fitting is installed? Also, Eric, have you made this
          modification or did you go another route?

          Thanks,
          Bruce
          JoJo 93 Mac 19--- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry
          Ning <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
          > Eric
          >
          > When you go into my album, click on that thumbnail photo you want
          to
          > see, it will then show the individual photo (screen size), click
          on the
          > picture again and you will get a full size photo.
          >
          > Yeah, I used a nylon thru hull fitting. I didn't bother with a sea
          cock,
          > it's way above the water line. Have never had a problem with any
          water
          > coming back in.
          >
          > Henry
          >
          > eo_ant wrote:
          >
          > >
          > > Henry,
          > >
          > > How do you view an image full size? I see file sizes listed as
          > > thumbnail, screen, and full size, but haven't found the way to
          get to
          > > full size.
          > >
          > > Looks like you must have used a plastic or nylon thru hull
          fitting.
          > > Did you use a sea cock on the inside or did you run tubing
          directly to
          > > the drain?
          > >
          > > Eric
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry Ning
          > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
          > > > Actually, I was able to add a thru hull and drain hose for the
          sink.
          > > See
          > > > a picture under Henry in photo section of where I mounted the
          thru
          > > hull.
          > > > Sorry about the quality... look at it full size to see better.
          Works
          > > good.
          > > >
          > > > Henry
          > > > http:// www.geocites.com/henry_ning
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > eo_ant wrote:
          > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > The drain on the sink looks pretty funky. Goes to a limp
          plastic jug.
          > > > > Looks like the sink might be a little low and too close to
          the side to
          > > > > simply put in a through hull fitting for the drain below the
          sink.
          > > > >
          > > > > Has anyone found a good solution?
          > > > >
          > > > > Eric
          > > > >
          > > > >
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        • eo_ant
          Bruce, I was going to go ahead and install one, but after thinking about it backed off from the idea. There is always some risk of getting water into the boat
          Message 4 of 28 , Aug 17, 2005
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            Bruce,

            I was going to go ahead and install one, but after thinking about it
            backed off from the idea. There is always some risk of getting water
            into the boat if the through hull is on the same side of the boat as
            the sink. While the boat might not normally be healed over far enough
            for that to be a problem. Catching a large wave broadside in rough
            water might be enough to do it. Then you have the compounded problem
            of being knocked down and of water coming in through the sink. Many
            boat designs try to eliminate this problem by placing the sink as
            close to the center of the boat as possible and as high as practical.

            One solution on the M19 would be to pass the drain hose to the far
            side of the boat under the V berth. Even if it wass laid all the way
            over one opening would always be above the water level.

            The solution I have in mind now is the reroute the centerboard line up
            through the mast support post and then put the sink drain into the
            hole in the centerboard trunk that the centerboard line now passes
            through. No additional holes in the hull required.

            I've been very busy with work lately. So boat mods have been on the
            back burner.

            My plan is to route a length of 1/8" SS pipe up the center of the mast
            support post. The OD is almost the same as the bolt currently in the
            center of the mast support plate. Some testing has suggested that even
            if I could get the mast support post off of the centerboard trunk it
            might be very difficult to put it back. So my plan is to cut a notch
            out of one side of the bottom of the mast support post, cut off the
            head of the bolt at the top of the post and then remove the nut and
            bolt through the notch at the bottom of the support post. With the
            bolt out of the way I can then drill a hole in the top of the
            centerboard trunk in the middle of the mast support post and install
            my 1/8" SS pipe through which the line will run to raise and lower the
            centerboard. I won't know how practical that approach is until I get
            the centerboard out and can see how much room there is at the top of
            the trunk where the post is located.


            Eric


            --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
            <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
            > Henry and Eric,
            > I really liked the idea of a through hull fitting for the sink
            > drain. I picked up a through hull and was getting ready to install
            > it, but the area where it looks like Henry installed his through
            > hull is slightly flexible on JoJo. Have you had any problems with
            > possible bumping a dock and cracking the hull around the hole where
            > the fitting is installed? Also, Eric, have you made this
            > modification or did you go another route?
            >
            > Thanks,
            > Bruce
            > JoJo 93 Mac 19--- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry
            > Ning <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
            > > Eric
            > >
            > > When you go into my album, click on that thumbnail photo you want
            > to
            > > see, it will then show the individual photo (screen size), click
            > on the
            > > picture again and you will get a full size photo.
            > >
            > > Yeah, I used a nylon thru hull fitting. I didn't bother with a sea
            > cock,
            > > it's way above the water line. Have never had a problem with any
            > water
            > > coming back in.
            > >
            > > Henry
            > >
            > > eo_ant wrote:
            > >
            > > >
            > > > Henry,
            > > >
            > > > How do you view an image full size? I see file sizes listed as
            > > > thumbnail, screen, and full size, but haven't found the way to
            > get to
            > > > full size.
            > > >
            > > > Looks like you must have used a plastic or nylon thru hull
            > fitting.
            > > > Did you use a sea cock on the inside or did you run tubing
            > directly to
            > > > the drain?
            > > >
            > > > Eric
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry Ning
            > > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
            > > > > Actually, I was able to add a thru hull and drain hose for the
            > sink.
            > > > See
            > > > > a picture under Henry in photo section of where I mounted the
            > thru
            > > > hull.
            > > > > Sorry about the quality... look at it full size to see better.
            > Works
            > > > good.
            > > > >
            > > > > Henry
            > > > > http:// www.geocites.com/henry_ning
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > eo_ant wrote:
            > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > The drain on the sink looks pretty funky. Goes to a limp
            > plastic jug.
            > > > > > Looks like the sink might be a little low and too close to
            > the side to
            > > > > > simply put in a through hull fitting for the drain below the
            > sink.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Has anyone found a good solution?
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Eric
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
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          • Henry Ning
            You would have to be lean over quite a bit for water to come in. The drain hole is also small (at least on my boat) so the water would come in quite slowly.
            Message 5 of 28 , Aug 18, 2005
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              You would have to be lean over quite a bit for water to come in. The drain hole is also small (at least on my boat) so the water would come in quite slowly.  Despite that I also put a rubber cork in the sink when we are out as a precaution. I have never had a problem with it.
               
              We got used to having a sink on our previous power boat so it gets used quite a bit. I shudder at the thought of that water draining into the bilge... and there's no way I wanted to deal with having it drain into a separate container and having to dump it all the time.
               
              Henry
              -----Original Message-----
              From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eo_ant
              Sent: August 17, 2005 12:15 PM
              To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain

              Bruce,

              I was going to go ahead and install one, but after thinking about it
              backed off from the idea. There is always some risk of getting water
              into the boat if the through hull is on the same side of the boat as
              the sink. While the boat might not normally be healed over far enough
              for that to be a problem. Catching a large wave broadside in rough
              water might be enough to do it. Then you have the compounded problem
              of being knocked down and of water coming in through the sink. Many
              boat designs try to eliminate this problem by placing the sink as
              close to the center of the boat as possible and as high as practical.

              One solution on the M19 would be to pass the drain hose to the far
              side of the boat under the V berth. Even if it wass laid all the way
              over one opening would always be above the water level.

              The solution I have in mind now is the reroute the centerboard line up
              through the mast support post and then put the sink drain into the
              hole in the centerboard trunk that the centerboard line now passes
              through. No additional holes in the hull required.

              I've been very busy with work lately. So boat mods have been on the
              back burner.

              My plan is to route a length of 1/8" SS pipe up the center of the mast
              support post. The OD is almost the same as the bolt currently in the
              center of the mast support plate. Some testing has suggested that even
              if I could get the mast support post off of the centerboard trunk it
              might be very difficult to put it back. So my plan is to cut a notch
              out of one side of the bottom of the mast support post, cut off the
              head of the bolt at the top of the post and then remove the nut and
              bolt through the notch at the bottom of the support post. With the
              bolt out of the way I can then drill a hole in the top of the
              centerboard trunk in the middle of the mast support post and install
              my 1/8" SS pipe through which the line will run to raise and lower the
              centerboard. I won't know how practical that approach is until I get
              the centerboard out and can see how much room there is at the top of
              the trunk where the post is located.


              Eric


              --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
              <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
              > Henry and Eric, 
              > I really liked the idea of a through hull fitting for the sink
              > drain.  I picked up a through hull and was getting ready to install
              > it, but the area where it looks like Henry installed his through
              > hull is slightly flexible on JoJo.  Have you had any problems with
              > possible bumping a dock and cracking the hull around the hole where
              > the fitting is installed?  Also, Eric, have you made this
              > modification or did you go another route?
              >
              > Thanks,
              > Bruce
              > JoJo 93 Mac 19--- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry
              > Ning <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
              > > Eric
              > >
              > > When you go into my album, click on that thumbnail photo you want
              > to
              > > see, it will then show the individual photo (screen size), click
              > on the
              > > picture again and you will get a full size photo.
              > >
              > > Yeah, I used a nylon thru hull fitting. I didn't bother with a sea
              > cock,
              > > it's way above the water line. Have never had a problem with any
              > water
              > > coming back in.
              > >
              > > Henry
              > >
              > > eo_ant wrote:
              > >
              > > >
              > > > Henry,
              > > >
              > > > How do you view an image full size? I see file sizes listed as
              > > > thumbnail, screen, and full size, but haven't found the way to
              > get to
              > > > full size.
              > > >
              > > > Looks like you must have used a plastic or nylon thru hull
              > fitting.
              > > > Did you use a sea cock on the inside or did you run tubing
              > directly to
              > > > the drain?
              > > >
              > > > Eric
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry Ning
              > > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
              > > > > Actually, I was able to add a thru hull and drain hose for the
              > sink.
              > > > See
              > > > > a picture under Henry in photo section of where I mounted the
              > thru
              > > > hull.
              > > > > Sorry about the quality... look at it full size to see better.
              > Works
              > > > good.
              > > > >
              > > > > Henry
              > > > > http:// www.geocites.com/henry_ning
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > eo_ant wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > The drain on the sink looks pretty funky. Goes to a limp
              > plastic jug.
              > > > > > Looks like the sink might be a little low and too close to
              > the side to
              > > > > > simply put in a through hull fitting for the drain below the
              > sink.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Has anyone found a good solution?
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Eric
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
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            • Bruce Puckett
              Henry, I bought a nylon through hull that needs a 3/4 inch hole and 1/2 inch hose. Is this the same size as you used or larger? I am just worried that after
              Message 6 of 28 , Aug 18, 2005
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                Henry,
                I bought a nylon through hull that needs a 3/4 inch hole and 1/2 inch
                hose. Is this the same size as you used or larger? I am just
                worried that after putting the through hull in, the hull will be
                weaker in that area. I trailer my boat a lot and I am constantly in
                different situations with docks. Just afraid if I come in and hit
                the dock on the through hull, it might be easier to crack the hull.
                Thanks to You and Eric for the info.

                Bruce


                --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                > You would have to be lean over quite a bit for water to come in. The
                > drain hole is also small (at least on my boat) so the water would
                come
                > in quite slowly. Despite that I also put a rubber cork in the sink
                when
                > we are out as a precaution. I have never had a problem with it.
                >
                > We got used to having a sink on our previous power boat so it gets
                used
                > quite a bit. I shudder at the thought of that water draining into
                the
                > bilge... and there's no way I wanted to deal with having it drain
                into a
                > separate container and having to dump it all the time.
                >
                > Henry
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                > [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eo_ant
                > Sent: August 17, 2005 12:15 PM
                > To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain
                >
                >
                > Bruce,
                >
                > I was going to go ahead and install one, but after thinking about it
                > backed off from the idea. There is always some risk of getting water
                > into the boat if the through hull is on the same side of the boat as
                > the sink. While the boat might not normally be healed over far
                enough
                > for that to be a problem. Catching a large wave broadside in rough
                > water might be enough to do it. Then you have the compounded problem
                > of being knocked down and of water coming in through the sink. Many
                > boat designs try to eliminate this problem by placing the sink as
                > close to the center of the boat as possible and as high as
                practical.
                >
                > One solution on the M19 would be to pass the drain hose to the far
                > side of the boat under the V berth. Even if it wass laid all the way
                > over one opening would always be above the water level.
                >
                > The solution I have in mind now is the reroute the centerboard line
                up
                > through the mast support post and then put the sink drain into the
                > hole in the centerboard trunk that the centerboard line now passes
                > through. No additional holes in the hull required.
                >
                > I've been very busy with work lately. So boat mods have been on the
                > back burner.
                >
                > My plan is to route a length of 1/8" SS pipe up the center of the
                mast
                > support post. The OD is almost the same as the bolt currently in the
                > center of the mast support plate. Some testing has suggested that
                even
                > if I could get the mast support post off of the centerboard trunk it
                > might be very difficult to put it back. So my plan is to cut a notch
                > out of one side of the bottom of the mast support post, cut off the
                > head of the bolt at the top of the post and then remove the nut and
                > bolt through the notch at the bottom of the support post. With the
                > bolt out of the way I can then drill a hole in the top of the
                > centerboard trunk in the middle of the mast support post and install
                > my 1/8" SS pipe through which the line will run to raise and lower
                the
                > centerboard. I won't know how practical that approach is until I get
                > the centerboard out and can see how much room there is at the top of
                > the trunk where the post is located.
                >
                >
                > Eric
                >
                >
                > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                > <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                > > Henry and Eric,
                > > I really liked the idea of a through hull fitting for the sink
                > > drain. I picked up a through hull and was getting ready to
                install
                > > it, but the area where it looks like Henry installed his through
                > > hull is slightly flexible on JoJo. Have you had any problems
                with
                > > possible bumping a dock and cracking the hull around the hole
                where
                > > the fitting is installed? Also, Eric, have you made this
                > > modification or did you go another route?
                > >
                > > Thanks,
                > > Bruce
                > > JoJo 93 Mac 19--- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry
                > > Ning <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                > > > Eric
                > > >
                > > > When you go into my album, click on that thumbnail photo you
                want
                > > to
                > > > see, it will then show the individual photo (screen size),
                click
                > > on the
                > > > picture again and you will get a full size photo.
                > > >
                > > > Yeah, I used a nylon thru hull fitting. I didn't bother with a
                sea
                > > cock,
                > > > it's way above the water line. Have never had a problem with
                any
                > > water
                > > > coming back in.
                > > >
                > > > Henry
                > > >
                > > > eo_ant wrote:
                > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > Henry,
                > > > >
                > > > > How do you view an image full size? I see file sizes listed as
                > > > > thumbnail, screen, and full size, but haven't found the way
                to
                > > get to
                > > > > full size.
                > > > >
                > > > > Looks like you must have used a plastic or nylon thru hull
                > > fitting.
                > > > > Did you use a sea cock on the inside or did you run tubing
                > > directly to
                > > > > the drain?
                > > > >
                > > > > Eric
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry Ning
                > > > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                > > > > > Actually, I was able to add a thru hull and drain hose for
                the
                > > sink.
                > > > > See
                > > > > > a picture under Henry in photo section of where I mounted
                the
                > > thru
                > > > > hull.
                > > > > > Sorry about the quality... look at it full size to see
                better.
                > > Works
                > > > > good.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Henry
                > > > > > http:// www.geocites.com/henry_ning
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > eo_ant wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > The drain on the sink looks pretty funky. Goes to a limp
                > > plastic jug.
                > > > > > > Looks like the sink might be a little low and too close
                to
                > > the side to
                > > > > > > simply put in a through hull fitting for the drain below
                the
                > > sink.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Has anyone found a good solution?
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Eric
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
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              • Chris
                I m with Henry for the exactly same reasons I put a thru-hull in for the sink. I mounted it low in the hull so that it wouldn t have any issues with hitting
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                  I'm with Henry for the exactly same reasons I put a thru-hull in for
                  the sink. I mounted it low in the hull so that it wouldn't have any
                  issues with hitting the dock, but high enough above the water line
                  so that it would only infrequently get water in it.

                  Bruce, I used the same thru-hull that it sounds like you have.
                  When I used the 3/4" hole saw, it unfortunately made a hole a little
                  bit larger than that. I also noted how thin the hull was there and
                  got concerned with the installation. I compensated by buying some
                  fiberglass impregnated resin at Home Depot and gooped it up a bit
                  after installing the thru-hull using 3M 5200 and attaching the 1/2"
                  line from the sink drain. It made something like a 4" inverted cone
                  when I was done and I think that it was sufficiently strong at that
                  point.

                  -Chris

                  --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                  <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                  > Henry,
                  > I bought a nylon through hull that needs a 3/4 inch hole and 1/2
                  inch
                  > hose. Is this the same size as you used or larger? I am just
                  > worried that after putting the through hull in, the hull will be
                  > weaker in that area. I trailer my boat a lot and I am constantly
                  in
                  > different situations with docks. Just afraid if I come in and hit
                  > the dock on the through hull, it might be easier to crack the hull.
                  > Thanks to You and Eric for the info.
                  >
                  > Bruce
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                  > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                  > > You would have to be lean over quite a bit for water to come in.
                  The
                  > > drain hole is also small (at least on my boat) so the water
                  would
                  > come
                  > > in quite slowly. Despite that I also put a rubber cork in the
                  sink
                  > when
                  > > we are out as a precaution. I have never had a problem with it.
                  > >
                  > > We got used to having a sink on our previous power boat so it
                  gets
                  > used
                  > > quite a bit. I shudder at the thought of that water draining
                  into
                  > the
                  > > bilge... and there's no way I wanted to deal with having it
                  drain
                  > into a
                  > > separate container and having to dump it all the time.
                  > >
                  > > Henry
                  > >
                  > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                  > > [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eo_ant
                  > > Sent: August 17, 2005 12:15 PM
                  > > To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Bruce,
                  > >
                  > > I was going to go ahead and install one, but after thinking
                  about it
                  > > backed off from the idea. There is always some risk of getting
                  water
                  > > into the boat if the through hull is on the same side of the
                  boat as
                  > > the sink. While the boat might not normally be healed over far
                  > enough
                  > > for that to be a problem. Catching a large wave broadside in
                  rough
                  > > water might be enough to do it. Then you have the compounded
                  problem
                  > > of being knocked down and of water coming in through the sink.
                  Many
                  > > boat designs try to eliminate this problem by placing the sink as
                  > > close to the center of the boat as possible and as high as
                  > practical.
                  > >
                  > > One solution on the M19 would be to pass the drain hose to the
                  far
                  > > side of the boat under the V berth. Even if it wass laid all the
                  way
                  > > over one opening would always be above the water level.
                  > >
                  > > The solution I have in mind now is the reroute the centerboard
                  line
                  > up
                  > > through the mast support post and then put the sink drain into
                  the
                  > > hole in the centerboard trunk that the centerboard line now
                  passes
                  > > through. No additional holes in the hull required.
                  > >
                  > > I've been very busy with work lately. So boat mods have been on
                  the
                  > > back burner.
                  > >
                  > > My plan is to route a length of 1/8" SS pipe up the center of
                  the
                  > mast
                  > > support post. The OD is almost the same as the bolt currently in
                  the
                  > > center of the mast support plate. Some testing has suggested
                  that
                  > even
                  > > if I could get the mast support post off of the centerboard
                  trunk it
                  > > might be very difficult to put it back. So my plan is to cut a
                  notch
                  > > out of one side of the bottom of the mast support post, cut off
                  the
                  > > head of the bolt at the top of the post and then remove the nut
                  and
                  > > bolt through the notch at the bottom of the support post. With
                  the
                  > > bolt out of the way I can then drill a hole in the top of the
                  > > centerboard trunk in the middle of the mast support post and
                  install
                  > > my 1/8" SS pipe through which the line will run to raise and
                  lower
                  > the
                  > > centerboard. I won't know how practical that approach is until I
                  get
                  > > the centerboard out and can see how much room there is at the
                  top of
                  > > the trunk where the post is located.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Eric
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                  > > <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                  > > > Henry and Eric,
                  > > > I really liked the idea of a through hull fitting for the sink
                  > > > drain. I picked up a through hull and was getting ready to
                  > install
                  > > > it, but the area where it looks like Henry installed his
                  through
                  > > > hull is slightly flexible on JoJo. Have you had any problems
                  > with
                  > > > possible bumping a dock and cracking the hull around the hole
                  > where
                  > > > the fitting is installed? Also, Eric, have you made this
                  > > > modification or did you go another route?
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks,
                  > > > Bruce
                  > > > JoJo 93 Mac 19--- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com,
                  Henry
                  > > > Ning <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                  > > > > Eric
                  > > > >
                  > > > > When you go into my album, click on that thumbnail photo you
                  > want
                  > > > to
                  > > > > see, it will then show the individual photo (screen size),
                  > click
                  > > > on the
                  > > > > picture again and you will get a full size photo.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Yeah, I used a nylon thru hull fitting. I didn't bother with
                  a
                  > sea
                  > > > cock,
                  > > > > it's way above the water line. Have never had a problem with
                  > any
                  > > > water
                  > > > > coming back in.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Henry
                  > > > >
                  > > > > eo_ant wrote:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Henry,
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > How do you view an image full size? I see file sizes
                  listed as
                  > > > > > thumbnail, screen, and full size, but haven't found the
                  way
                  > to
                  > > > get to
                  > > > > > full size.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Looks like you must have used a plastic or nylon thru hull
                  > > > fitting.
                  > > > > > Did you use a sea cock on the inside or did you run tubing
                  > > > directly to
                  > > > > > the drain?
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Eric
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry Ning
                  > > > > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                  > > > > > > Actually, I was able to add a thru hull and drain hose
                  for
                  > the
                  > > > sink.
                  > > > > > See
                  > > > > > > a picture under Henry in photo section of where I
                  mounted
                  > the
                  > > > thru
                  > > > > > hull.
                  > > > > > > Sorry about the quality... look at it full size to see
                  > better.
                  > > > Works
                  > > > > > good.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Henry
                  > > > > > > http:// www.geocites.com/henry_ning
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > eo_ant wrote:
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > The drain on the sink looks pretty funky. Goes to a
                  limp
                  > > > plastic jug.
                  > > > > > > > Looks like the sink might be a little low and too
                  close
                  > to
                  > > > the side to
                  > > > > > > > simply put in a through hull fitting for the drain
                  below
                  > the
                  > > > sink.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Has anyone found a good solution?
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Eric
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
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                • Henry Ning
                  It s also the same thru-hull that I used. I put an S loop in the hose going up to the sink drain. In the fall, before storing away the boat, I make sure I get
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                    It's also the same thru-hull that I used. I put an S loop in the hose going up to the sink drain. In the fall, before storing away the boat, I make sure I get all the water out of the hose. Chris, I didn't have any trouble with the hole saw... it was a pretty snug fit. Instead of the 5200, I used 4200 in case I ever needed to replace the thru-hull. By the way, good idea on adding the extra resin for strength.... I got some POR-15 Resto Grip laying around... maybe I'll put a thick layer of that around the area.
                     
                    Regards,
                    Henry
                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris
                    Sent: August 18, 2005 6:09 PM
                    To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain

                    I'm with Henry for the exactly same reasons I put a thru-hull in for
                    the sink.  I mounted it low in the hull so that it wouldn't have any
                    issues with hitting the dock, but high enough above the water line
                    so that it would only infrequently get water in it. 

                    Bruce, I used the same thru-hull that it sounds like you have.  
                    When I used the 3/4" hole saw, it unfortunately made a hole a little
                    bit larger than that.  I also noted how thin the hull was there and
                    got concerned with the installation.  I compensated by buying some
                    fiberglass impregnated resin at Home Depot and gooped it up a bit
                    after installing the thru-hull using 3M 5200 and attaching the 1/2"
                    line from the sink drain.  It made something like a 4" inverted cone
                    when I was done and I think that it was sufficiently strong at that
                    point.

                    -Chris

                    --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                    <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                    > Henry,
                    > I bought a nylon through hull that needs a 3/4 inch hole and 1/2
                    inch
                    > hose.  Is this the same size as you used or larger?  I am just
                    > worried that after putting the through hull in, the hull will be
                    > weaker in that area. I trailer my boat a lot and I am constantly
                    in
                    > different situations with docks.  Just afraid if I come in and hit
                    > the dock on the through hull, it might be easier to crack the hull.
                    > Thanks to You and Eric for the info.
                    >
                    > Bruce
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                    > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                    > > You would have to be lean over quite a bit for water to come in.
                    The
                    > > drain hole is also small (at least on my boat) so the water
                    would
                    > come
                    > > in quite slowly.  Despite that I also put a rubber cork in the
                    sink
                    > when
                    > > we are out as a precaution. I have never had a problem with it.
                    > > 
                    > > We got used to having a sink on our previous power boat so it
                    gets
                    > used
                    > > quite a bit. I shudder at the thought of that water draining
                    into
                    > the
                    > > bilge... and there's no way I wanted to deal with having it
                    drain
                    > into a
                    > > separate container and having to dump it all the time.
                    > > 
                    > > Henry
                    > >
                    > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                    > > [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eo_ant
                    > > Sent: August 17, 2005 12:15 PM
                    > > To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Bruce,
                    > >
                    > > I was going to go ahead and install one, but after thinking
                    about it
                    > > backed off from the idea. There is always some risk of getting
                    water
                    > > into the boat if the through hull is on the same side of the
                    boat as
                    > > the sink. While the boat might not normally be healed over far
                    > enough
                    > > for that to be a problem. Catching a large wave broadside in
                    rough
                    > > water might be enough to do it. Then you have the compounded
                    problem
                    > > of being knocked down and of water coming in through the sink.
                    Many
                    > > boat designs try to eliminate this problem by placing the sink as
                    > > close to the center of the boat as possible and as high as
                    > practical.
                    > >
                    > > One solution on the M19 would be to pass the drain hose to the
                    far
                    > > side of the boat under the V berth. Even if it wass laid all the
                    way
                    > > over one opening would always be above the water level.
                    > >
                    > > The solution I have in mind now is the reroute the centerboard
                    line
                    > up
                    > > through the mast support post and then put the sink drain into
                    the
                    > > hole in the centerboard trunk that the centerboard line now
                    passes
                    > > through. No additional holes in the hull required.
                    > >
                    > > I've been very busy with work lately. So boat mods have been on
                    the
                    > > back burner.
                    > >
                    > > My plan is to route a length of 1/8" SS pipe up the center of
                    the
                    > mast
                    > > support post. The OD is almost the same as the bolt currently in
                    the
                    > > center of the mast support plate. Some testing has suggested
                    that
                    > even
                    > > if I could get the mast support post off of the centerboard
                    trunk it
                    > > might be very difficult to put it back. So my plan is to cut a
                    notch
                    > > out of one side of the bottom of the mast support post, cut off
                    the
                    > > head of the bolt at the top of the post and then remove the nut
                    and
                    > > bolt through the notch at the bottom of the support post. With
                    the
                    > > bolt out of the way I can then drill a hole in the top of the
                    > > centerboard trunk in the middle of the mast support post and
                    install
                    > > my 1/8" SS pipe through which the line will run to raise and
                    lower
                    > the
                    > > centerboard. I won't know how practical that approach is until I
                    get
                    > > the centerboard out and can see how much room there is at the
                    top of
                    > > the trunk where the post is located.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Eric
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                    > > <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                    > > > Henry and Eric, 
                    > > > I really liked the idea of a through hull fitting for the sink
                    > > > drain.  I picked up a through hull and was getting ready to
                    > install
                    > > > it, but the area where it looks like Henry installed his
                    through
                    > > > hull is slightly flexible on JoJo.  Have you had any problems
                    > with
                    > > > possible bumping a dock and cracking the hull around the hole
                    > where
                    > > > the fitting is installed?  Also, Eric, have you made this
                    > > > modification or did you go another route?
                    > > >
                    > > > Thanks,
                    > > > Bruce
                    > > > JoJo 93 Mac 19--- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com,
                    Henry
                    > > > Ning <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                    > > > > Eric
                    > > > >
                    > > > > When you go into my album, click on that thumbnail photo you
                    > want
                    > > > to
                    > > > > see, it will then show the individual photo (screen size),
                    > click
                    > > > on the
                    > > > > picture again and you will get a full size photo.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Yeah, I used a nylon thru hull fitting. I didn't bother with
                    a
                    > sea
                    > > > cock,
                    > > > > it's way above the water line. Have never had a problem with
                    > any
                    > > > water
                    > > > > coming back in.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Henry
                    > > > >
                    > > > > eo_ant wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Henry,
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > How do you view an image full size? I see file sizes
                    listed as
                    > > > > > thumbnail, screen, and full size, but haven't found the
                    way
                    > to
                    > > > get to
                    > > > > > full size.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Looks like you must have used a plastic or nylon thru hull
                    > > > fitting.
                    > > > > > Did you use a sea cock on the inside or did you run tubing
                    > > > directly to
                    > > > > > the drain?
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Eric
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry Ning
                    > > > > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                    > > > > > > Actually, I was able to add a thru hull and drain hose
                    for
                    > the
                    > > > sink.
                    > > > > > See
                    > > > > > > a picture under Henry in photo section of where I
                    mounted
                    > the
                    > > > thru
                    > > > > > hull.
                    > > > > > > Sorry about the quality... look at it full size to see
                    > better.
                    > > > Works
                    > > > > > good.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Henry
                    > > > > > > http:// www.geocites.com/henry_ning
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > eo_ant wrote:
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > The drain on the sink looks pretty funky. Goes to a
                    limp
                    > > > plastic jug.
                    > > > > > > > Looks like the sink might be a little low and too
                    close
                    > to
                    > > > the side to
                    > > > > > > > simply put in a through hull fitting for the drain
                    below
                    > the
                    > > > sink.
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Has anyone found a good solution?
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Eric
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
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                  • Joe Wilburn
                    Henry, Is it your boat that has the wheel steering? Joe Henry Ning wrote: It s also the same thru-hull that I used. I put an S loop
                    Message 9 of 28 , Aug 20, 2005
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                      Henry,
                       
                      Is it your boat that has the wheel steering?
                       
                      Joe

                      Henry Ning <henry.ning@...> wrote:
                      It's also the same thru-hull that I used. I put an S loop in the hose going up to the sink drain. In the fall, before storing away the boat, I make sure I get all the water out of the hose. Chris, I didn't have any trouble with the hole saw... it was a pretty snug fit. Instead of the 5200, I used 4200 in case I ever needed to replace the thru-hull. By the way, good idea on adding the extra resin for strength.... I got some POR-15 Resto Grip laying around... maybe I'll put a thick layer of that around the area.
                       
                      Regards,
                      Henry
                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris
                      Sent: August 18, 2005 6:09 PM
                      To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain

                      I'm with Henry for the exactly same reasons I put a thru-hull in for
                      the sink.  I mounted it low in the hull so that it wouldn't have any
                      issues with hitting the dock, but high enough above the water line
                      so that it would only infrequently get water in it. 

                      Bruce, I used the same thru-hull that it sounds like you have.  
                      When I used the 3/4" hole saw, it unfortunately made a hole a little
                      bit larger than that.  I also noted how thin the hull was there and
                      got concerned with the installation.  I compensated by buying some
                      fiberglass impregnated resin at Home Depot and gooped it up a bit
                      after installing the thru-hull using 3M 5200 and attaching the 1/2"
                      line from the sink drain.  It made something like a 4" inverted cone
                      when I was done and I think that it was sufficiently strong at that
                      point.

                      -Chris

                      --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                      <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                      > Henry,
                      > I bought a nylon through hull that needs a 3/4 inch hole and 1/2
                      inch
                      > hose.  Is this the same size as you used or larger?  I am just
                      > worried that after putting the through hull in, the hull will be
                      > weaker in that area. I trailer my boat a lot and I am constantly
                      in
                      > different situations with docks.  Just afraid if I come in and hit
                      > the dock on the through hull, it might be easier to crack the hull.
                      > Thanks to You and Eric for the info.
                      >
                      > Bruce
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                      > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                      > > You would have to be lean over quite a bit for water to come in.
                      The
                      > > drain hole is also small (at least on my boat) so the water
                      would
                      > come
                      > > in quite slowly.  Despite that I also put a rubber cork in the
                      sink
                      > when
                      > > we are out as a precaution. I have never had a problem with it.
                      > > 
                      > > We got used to having a sink on our previous power boat so it
                      gets
                      > used
                      > > quite a bit. I shudder at the thought of that water draining
                      into
                      > the
                      > > bilge... and there's no way I wanted to deal with having it
                      drain
                      > into a
                      > > separate container and having to dump it all the time.
                      > > 
                      > > Henry
                      > >
                      > > -----Original Message-----
                      > > From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                      > > [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eo_ant
                      > > Sent: August 17, 2005 12:15 PM
                      > > To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Bruce,
                      > >
                      > > I was going to go ahead and install one, but after thinking
                      about it
                      > > backed off from the idea. There is always some risk of getting
                      water
                      > > into the boat if the through hull is on the same side of the
                      boat as
                      > > the sink. While the boat might not normally be healed over far
                      > enough
                      > > for that to be a problem. Catching a large wave broadside in
                      rough
                      > > water might be enough to do it. Then you have the compounded
                      problem
                      > > of being knocked down and of water coming in through the sink.
                      Many
                      > > boat designs try to eliminate this problem by placing the sink as
                      > > close to the center of the boat as possible and as high as
                      > practical.
                      > >
                      > > One solution on the M19 would be to pass the drain hose to the
                      far
                      > > side of the boat under the V berth. Even if it wass laid all the
                      way
                      > > over one opening would always be above the water level.
                      > >
                      > > The solution I have in mind now is the reroute the centerboard
                      line
                      > up
                      > > through the mast support post and then put the sink drain into
                      the
                      > > hole in the centerboard trunk that the centerboard line now
                      passes
                      > > through. No additional holes in the hull required.
                      > >
                      > > I've been very busy with work lately. So boat mods have been on
                      the
                      > > back burner.
                      > >
                      > > My plan is to route a length of 1/8" SS pipe up the center of
                      the
                      > mast
                      > > support post. The OD is almost the same as the bolt currently in
                      the
                      > > center of the mast support plate. Some testing has suggested
                      that
                      > even
                      > > if I could get the mast support post off of the centerboard
                      trunk it
                      > > might be very difficult to put it back. So my plan is to cut a
                      notch
                      > > out of one side of the bottom of the mast support post, cut off
                      the
                      > > head of the bolt at the top of the post and then remove the nut
                      and
                      > > bolt through the notch at the bottom of the support post. With
                      the
                      > > bolt out of the way I can then drill a hole in the top of the
                      > > centerboard trunk in the middle of the mast support post and
                      install
                      > > my 1/8" SS pipe through which the line will run to raise and
                      lower
                      > the
                      > > centerboard. I won't know how practical that approach is until I
                      get
                      > > the centerboard out and can see how much room there is at the
                      top of
                      > > the trunk where the post is located.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Eric
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                      > > <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                      > > > Henry and Eric, 
                      > > > I really liked the idea of a through hull fitting for the sink
                      > > > drain.  I picked up a through hull and was getting ready to
                      > install
                      > > > it, but the area where it looks like Henry installed his
                      through
                      > > > hull is slightly flexible on JoJo.  Have you had any problems
                      > with
                      > > > possible bumping a dock and cracking the hull around the hole
                      > where
                      > > > the fitting is installed?  Also, Eric, have you made this
                      > > > modification or did you go another route?
                      > > >
                      > > > Thanks,
                      > > > Bruce
                      > > > JoJo 93 Mac 19--- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com,
                      Henry
                      > > > Ning <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                      > > > > Eric
                      > > > >
                      > > > > When you go into my album, click on that thumbnail photo you
                      > want
                      > > > to
                      > > > > see, it will then show the individual photo (screen size),
                      > click
                      > > > on the
                      > > > > picture again and you will get a full size photo.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Yeah, I used a nylon thru hull fitting. I didn't bother with
                      a
                      > sea
                      > > > cock,
                      > > > > it's way above the water line. Have never had a problem with
                      > any
                      > > > water
                      > > > > coming back in.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Henry
                      > > > >
                      > > > > eo_ant wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Henry,
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > How do you view an image full size? I see file sizes
                      listed as
                      > > > > > thumbnail, screen, and full size, but haven't found the
                      way
                      > to
                      > > > get to
                      > > > > > full size.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Looks like you must have used a plastic or nylon thru hull
                      > > > fitting.
                      > > > > > Did you use a sea cock on the inside or did you run tubing
                      > > > directly to
                      > > > > > the drain?
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Eric
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry Ning
                      > > > > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                      > > > > > > Actually, I was able to add a thru hull and drain hose
                      for
                      > the
                      > > > sink.
                      > > > > > See
                      > > > > > > a picture under Henry in photo section of where I
                      mounted
                      > the
                      > > > thru
                      > > > > > hull.
                      > > > > > > Sorry about the quality... look at it full size to see
                      > better.
                      > > > Works
                      > > > > > good.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Henry
                      > > > > > > http:// www.geocites.com/henry_ning
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > eo_ant wrote:
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > The drain on the sink looks pretty funky. Goes to a
                      limp
                      > > > plastic jug.
                      > > > > > > > Looks like the sink might be a little low and too
                      close
                      > to
                      > > > the side to
                      > > > > > > > simply put in a through hull fitting for the drain
                      below
                      > the
                      > > > sink.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Has anyone found a good solution?
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Eric
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
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                    • Ron Buckles
                      My wife had a good idea: Why not pump out the holding tank with a (or the) bilge pump. Then you simply run a hose over the side or out the hole for the
                      Message 10 of 28 , Aug 20, 2005
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                        My wife had a good idea:

                        Why not pump out the holding tank with a (or the) bilge pump. Then you
                        simply run a hose over the side or out the hole for the battery cables.

                        Ron

                        --- Henry Ning <henry.ning@...> wrote:

                        > It's also the same thru-hull that I used. I put an S loop in the hose
                        > going up to the sink drain. In the fall, before storing away the
                        > boat, I
                        > make sure I get all the water out of the hose. Chris, I didn't have
                        > any
                        > trouble with the hole saw... it was a pretty snug fit. Instead of the
                        > 5200, I used 4200 in case I ever needed to replace the thru-hull. By
                        > the
                        > way, good idea on adding the extra resin for strength.... I got some
                        > POR-15 Resto Grip laying around... maybe I'll put a thick layer of
                        > that
                        > around the area.
                        >
                        > Regards,
                        > Henry
                        >
                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                        > [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris
                        > Sent: August 18, 2005 6:09 PM
                        > To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain
                        >
                        >
                        > I'm with Henry for the exactly same reasons I put a thru-hull in for
                        > the sink. I mounted it low in the hull so that it wouldn't have any
                        > issues with hitting the dock, but high enough above the water line
                        > so that it would only infrequently get water in it.
                        >
                        > Bruce, I used the same thru-hull that it sounds like you have.
                        > When I used the 3/4" hole saw, it unfortunately made a hole a little
                        > bit larger than that. I also noted how thin the hull was there and
                        > got concerned with the installation. I compensated by buying some
                        > fiberglass impregnated resin at Home Depot and gooped it up a bit
                        > after installing the thru-hull using 3M 5200 and attaching the 1/2"
                        > line from the sink drain. It made something like a 4" inverted cone
                        > when I was done and I think that it was sufficiently strong at that
                        > point.
                        >
                        > -Chris
                        >
                        > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                        > <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                        > > Henry,
                        > > I bought a nylon through hull that needs a 3/4 inch hole and 1/2
                        > inch
                        > > hose. Is this the same size as you used or larger? I am just
                        > > worried that after putting the through hull in, the hull will be
                        > > weaker in that area. I trailer my boat a lot and I am constantly
                        > in
                        > > different situations with docks. Just afraid if I come in and hit
                        > > the dock on the through hull, it might be easier to crack the hull.
                        > > Thanks to You and Eric for the info.
                        > >
                        > > Bruce
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                        > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                        > > > You would have to be lean over quite a bit for water to come in.
                        > The
                        > > > drain hole is also small (at least on my boat) so the water
                        > would
                        > > come
                        > > > in quite slowly. Despite that I also put a rubber cork in the
                        > sink
                        > > when
                        > > > we are out as a precaution. I have never had a problem with it.
                        > > >
                        > > > We got used to having a sink on our previous power boat so it
                        > gets
                        > > used
                        > > > quite a bit. I shudder at the thought of that water draining
                        > into
                        > > the
                        > > > bilge... and there's no way I wanted to deal with having it
                        > drain
                        > > into a
                        > > > separate container and having to dump it all the time.
                        > > >
                        > > > Henry
                        > > >
                        > > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > > From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eo_ant
                        > > > Sent: August 17, 2005 12:15 PM
                        > > > To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Bruce,
                        > > >
                        > > > I was going to go ahead and install one, but after thinking
                        > about it
                        > > > backed off from the idea. There is always some risk of getting
                        > water
                        > > > into the boat if the through hull is on the same side of the
                        > boat as
                        > > > the sink. While the boat might not normally be healed over far
                        > > enough
                        > > > for that to be a problem. Catching a large wave broadside in
                        > rough
                        > > > water might be enough to do it. Then you have the compounded
                        > problem
                        > > > of being knocked down and of water coming in through the sink.
                        > Many
                        > > > boat designs try to eliminate this problem by placing the sink as
                        > > > close to the center of the boat as possible and as high as
                        > > practical.
                        > > >
                        > > > One solution on the M19 would be to pass the drain hose to the
                        > far
                        > > > side of the boat under the V berth. Even if it wass laid all the
                        > way
                        > > > over one opening would always be above the water level.
                        > > >
                        > > > The solution I have in mind now is the reroute the centerboard
                        > line
                        > > up
                        > > > through the mast support post and then put the sink drain into
                        > the
                        > > > hole in the centerboard trunk that the centerboard line now
                        > passes
                        > > > through. No additional holes in the hull required.
                        > > >
                        > > > I've been very busy with work lately. So boat mods have been on
                        > the
                        > > > back burner.
                        > > >
                        > > > My plan is to route a length of 1/8" SS pipe up the center of
                        > the
                        > > mast
                        > > > support post. The OD is almost the same as the bolt currently in
                        > the
                        > > > center of the mast support plate. Some testing has suggested
                        > that
                        > > even
                        > > > if I could get the mast support post off of the centerboard
                        > trunk it
                        > > > might be very difficult to put it back. So my plan is to cut a
                        > notch
                        > > > out of one side of the bottom of the mast support post, cut off
                        > the
                        > > > head of the bolt at the top of the post and then remove the nut
                        > and
                        > > > bolt through the notch at the bottom of the support post. With
                        > the
                        > > > bolt out of the way I can then drill a hole in the top of the
                        > > > centerboard trunk in the middle of the mast support post and
                        > install
                        > > > my 1/8" SS pipe through which the line will run to raise and
                        > lower
                        > > the
                        > > > centerboard. I won't know how practical that approach is until I
                        > get
                        > > > the centerboard out and can see how much room there is at the
                        > top of
                        > > > the trunk where the post is located.
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Eric
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                        > > > <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                        > > > > Henry and Eric,
                        > > > > I really liked the idea of a through hull fitting for the sink
                        > > > > drain. I picked up a through hull and was getting ready to
                        > > install
                        > > > > it, but the area where it looks like Henry installed his
                        > through
                        > > > > hull is slightly flexible on JoJo. Have you had any problems
                        > > with
                        > > > > possible bumping a dock and cracking the hull around the hole
                        > > where
                        > > > > the fitting is installed? Also, Eric, have you made this
                        > > > > modification or did you go another route?
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Thanks,
                        > > > > Bruce
                        > > > > JoJo 93 Mac 19--- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com,
                        > Henry
                        > > > > Ning <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                        > > > > > Eric
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > When you go into my album, click on that thumbnail photo you
                        > > want
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > see, it will then show the individual photo (screen size),
                        > > click
                        > > > > on the
                        > > > > > picture again and you will get a full size photo.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Yeah, I used a nylon thru hull fitting. I didn't bother with
                        > a
                        > > sea
                        > > > > cock,
                        > > > > > it's way above the water line. Have never had a problem with
                        > > any
                        > > > > water
                        > > > > > coming back in.
                        >
                        === message truncated ===
                      • Henry Ning
                        Joe No, it s not my boat. A fella who I was corresponding with sent them to me. I posted them up since there was interest from people in the group in
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                          Joe
                           
                          No, it's not my boat. A fella who I was corresponding with sent them to me. I posted them up since there was interest from people in the group in implementing wheel steering. Unfortunately I had a hard drive crash and I have lost all my saved e-mails and have since lost touch with the guy.
                           
                          Regards,
                          Henry
                           
                           
                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Wilburn
                          Sent: August 20, 2005 3:56 AM
                          To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: RE: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain

                          Henry,
                           
                          Is it your boat that has the wheel steering?
                           
                          Joe

                          Henry Ning <henry.ning@...> wrote:
                          It's also the same thru-hull that I used. I put an S loop in the hose going up to the sink drain. In the fall, before storing away the boat, I make sure I get all the water out of the hose. Chris, I didn't have any trouble with the hole saw... it was a pretty snug fit. Instead of the 5200, I used 4200 in case I ever needed to replace the thru-hull. By the way, good idea on adding the extra resin for strength.... I got some POR-15 Resto Grip laying around... maybe I'll put a thick layer of that around the area.
                           
                          Regards,
                          Henry
                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris
                          Sent: August 18, 2005 6:09 PM
                          To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain

                          I'm with Henry for the exactly same reasons I put a thru-hull in for
                          the sink.  I mounted it low in the hull so that it wouldn't have any
                          issues with hitting the dock, but high enough above the water line
                          so that it would only infrequently get water in it. 

                          Bruce, I used the same thru-hull that it sounds like you have.  
                          When I used the 3/4" hole saw, it unfortunately made a hole a little
                          bit larger than that.  I also noted how thin the hull was there and
                          got concerned with the installation.  I compensated by buying some
                          fiberglass impregnated resin at Home Depot and gooped it up a bit
                          after installing the thru-hull using 3M 5200 and attaching the 1/2"
                          line from the sink drain.  It made something like a 4" inverted cone
                          when I was done and I think that it was sufficiently strong at that
                          point.

                          -Chris

                          --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                          <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                          > Henry,
                          > I bought a nylon through hull that needs a 3/4 inch hole and 1/2
                          inch
                          > hose.  Is this the same size as you used or larger?  I am just
                          > worried that after putting the through hull in, the hull will be
                          > weaker in that area. I trailer my boat a lot and I am constantly
                          in
                          > different situations with docks.  Just afraid if I come in and hit
                          > the dock on the through hull, it might be easier to crack the hull.
                          > Thanks to You and Eric for the info.
                          >
                          > Bruce
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                          > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                          > > You would have to be lean over quite a bit for water to come in.
                          The
                          > > drain hole is also small (at least on my boat) so the water
                          would
                          > come
                          > > in quite slowly.  Despite that I also put a rubber cork in the
                          sink
                          > when
                          > > we are out as a precaution. I have never had a problem with it.
                          > > 
                          > > We got used to having a sink on our previous power boat so it
                          gets
                          > used
                          > > quite a bit. I shudder at the thought of that water draining
                          into
                          > the
                          > > bilge... and there's no way I wanted to deal with having it
                          drain
                          > into a
                          > > separate container and having to dump it all the time.
                          > > 
                          > > Henry
                          > >
                          > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                          > > [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eo_ant
                          > > Sent: August 17, 2005 12:15 PM
                          > > To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Bruce,
                          > >
                          > > I was going to go ahead and install one, but after thinking
                          about it
                          > > backed off from the idea. There is always some risk of getting
                          water
                          > > into the boat if the through hull is on the same side of the
                          boat as
                          > > the sink. While the boat might not normally be healed over far
                          > enough
                          > > for that to be a problem. Catching a large wave broadside in
                          rough
                          > > water might be enough to do it. Then you have the compounded
                          problem
                          > > of being knocked down and of water coming in through the sink.
                          Many
                          > > boat designs try to eliminate this problem by placing the sink as
                          > > close to the center of the boat as possible and as high as
                          > practical.
                          > >
                          > > One solution on the M19 would be to pass the drain hose to the
                          far
                          > > side of the boat under the V berth. Even if it wass laid all the
                          way
                          > > over one opening would always be above the water level.
                          > >
                          > > The solution I have in mind now is the reroute the centerboard
                          line
                          > up
                          > > through the mast support post and then put the sink drain into
                          the
                          > > hole in the centerboard trunk that the centerboard line now
                          passes
                          > > through. No additional holes in the hull required.
                          > >
                          > > I've been very busy with work lately. So boat mods have been on
                          the
                          > > back burner.
                          > >
                          > > My plan is to route a length of 1/8" SS pipe up the center of
                          the
                          > mast
                          > > support post. The OD is almost the same as the bolt currently in
                          the
                          > > center of the mast support plate. Some testing has suggested
                          that
                          > even
                          > > if I could get the mast support post off of the centerboard
                          trunk it
                          > > might be very difficult to put it back. So my plan is to cut a
                          notch
                          > > out of one side of the bottom of the mast support post, cut off
                          the
                          > > head of the bolt at the top of the post and then remove the nut
                          and
                          > > bolt through the notch at the bottom of the support post. With
                          the
                          > > bolt out of the way I can then drill a hole in the top of the
                          > > centerboard trunk in the middle of the mast support post and
                          install
                          > > my 1/8" SS pipe through which the line will run to raise and
                          lower
                          > the
                          > > centerboard. I won't know how practical that approach is until I
                          get
                          > > the centerboard out and can see how much room there is at the
                          top of
                          > > the trunk where the post is located.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Eric
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                          > > <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                          > > > Henry and Eric, 
                          > > > I really liked the idea of a through hull fitting for the sink
                          > > > drain.  I picked up a through hull and was getting ready to
                          > install
                          > > > it, but the area where it looks like Henry installed his
                          through
                          > > > hull is slightly flexible on JoJo.  Have you had any problems
                          > with
                          > > > possible bumping a dock and cracking the hull around the hole
                          > where
                          > > > the fitting is installed?  Also, Eric, have you made this
                          > > > modification or did you go another route?
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks,
                          > > > Bruce
                          > > > JoJo 93 Mac 19--- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com,
                          Henry
                          > > > Ning <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                          > > > > Eric
                          > > > >
                          > > > > When you go into my album, click on that thumbnail photo you
                          > want
                          > > > to
                          > > > > see, it will then show the individual photo (screen size),
                          > click
                          > > > on the
                          > > > > picture again and you will get a full size photo.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Yeah, I used a nylon thru hull fitting. I didn't bother with
                          a
                          > sea
                          > > > cock,
                          > > > > it's way above the water line. Have never had a problem with
                          > any
                          > > > water
                          > > > > coming back in.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Henry
                          > > > >
                          > > > > eo_ant wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Henry,
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > How do you view an image full size? I see file sizes
                          listed as
                          > > > > > thumbnail, screen, and full size, but haven't found the
                          way
                          > to
                          > > > get to
                          > > > > > full size.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Looks like you must have used a plastic or nylon thru hull
                          > > > fitting.
                          > > > > > Did you use a sea cock on the inside or did you run tubing
                          > > > directly to
                          > > > > > the drain?
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Eric
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry Ning
                          > > > > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                          > > > > > > Actually, I was able to add a thru hull and drain hose
                          for
                          > the
                          > > > sink.
                          > > > > > See
                          > > > > > > a picture under Henry in photo section of where I
                          mounted
                          > the
                          > > > thru
                          > > > > > hull.
                          > > > > > > Sorry about the quality... look at it full size to see
                          > better.
                          > > > Works
                          > > > > > good.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Henry
                          > > > > > > http:// www.geocites.com/henry_ning
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > eo_ant wrote:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > The drain on the sink looks pretty funky. Goes to a
                          limp
                          > > > plastic jug.
                          > > > > > > > Looks like the sink might be a little low and too
                          close
                          > to
                          > > > the side to
                          > > > > > > > simply put in a through hull fitting for the drain
                          below
                          > the
                          > > > sink.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Has anyone found a good solution?
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Eric
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
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                        • Bruce Puckett
                          Thanks for all the great ideas on the sink drain. I think I will beef up the side and and put the hole through. Bruce ... them to ... group ... crash ... with
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                            Thanks for all the great ideas on the sink drain. I think I will
                            beef up the side and and put the hole through.
                            Bruce

                            --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                            <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                            > Joe
                            >
                            > No, it's not my boat. A fella who I was corresponding with sent
                            them to
                            > me. I posted them up since there was interest from people in the
                            group
                            > in implementing wheel steering. Unfortunately I had a hard drive
                            crash
                            > and I have lost all my saved e-mails and have since lost touch
                            with the
                            > guy.
                            >
                            > Regards,
                            > Henry
                            >
                            >
                            > -----Original Message-----
                            > From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                            > [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe
                            Wilburn
                            > Sent: August 20, 2005 3:56 AM
                            > To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: RE: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Henry,
                            >
                            > Is it your boat that has the wheel steering?
                            >
                            > Joe
                            >
                            > Henry Ning <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                            >
                            > It's also the same thru-hull that I used. I put an S loop in the
                            hose
                            > going up to the sink drain. In the fall, before storing away the
                            boat, I
                            > make sure I get all the water out of the hose. Chris, I didn't
                            have any
                            > trouble with the hole saw... it was a pretty snug fit. Instead of
                            the
                            > 5200, I used 4200 in case I ever needed to replace the thru-hull.
                            By the
                            > way, good idea on adding the extra resin for strength.... I got
                            some
                            > POR-15 Resto Grip laying around... maybe I'll put a thick layer of
                            that
                            > around the area.
                            >
                            > Regards,
                            > Henry
                            >
                            > -----Original Message-----
                            > From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                            > [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris
                            > Sent: August 18, 2005 6:09 PM
                            > To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain
                            >
                            >
                            > I'm with Henry for the exactly same reasons I put a thru-hull in
                            for
                            > the sink. I mounted it low in the hull so that it wouldn't have
                            any
                            > issues with hitting the dock, but high enough above the water line
                            > so that it would only infrequently get water in it.
                            >
                            > Bruce, I used the same thru-hull that it sounds like you have.
                            > When I used the 3/4" hole saw, it unfortunately made a hole a
                            little
                            > bit larger than that. I also noted how thin the hull was there
                            and
                            > got concerned with the installation. I compensated by buying some
                            > fiberglass impregnated resin at Home Depot and gooped it up a bit
                            > after installing the thru-hull using 3M 5200 and attaching the
                            1/2"
                            > line from the sink drain. It made something like a 4" inverted
                            cone
                            > when I was done and I think that it was sufficiently strong at
                            that
                            > point.
                            >
                            > -Chris
                            >
                            > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                            > <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                            > > Henry,
                            > > I bought a nylon through hull that needs a 3/4 inch hole and 1/2
                            > inch
                            > > hose. Is this the same size as you used or larger? I am just
                            > > worried that after putting the through hull in, the hull will be
                            > > weaker in that area. I trailer my boat a lot and I am constantly
                            > in
                            > > different situations with docks. Just afraid if I come in and
                            hit
                            > > the dock on the through hull, it might be easier to crack the
                            hull.
                            > > Thanks to You and Eric for the info.
                            > >
                            > > Bruce
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                            > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                            > > > You would have to be lean over quite a bit for water to come
                            in.
                            > The
                            > > > drain hole is also small (at least on my boat) so the water
                            > would
                            > > come
                            > > > in quite slowly. Despite that I also put a rubber cork in the
                            > sink
                            > > when
                            > > > we are out as a precaution. I have never had a problem with it.
                            > > >
                            > > > We got used to having a sink on our previous power boat so it
                            > gets
                            > > used
                            > > > quite a bit. I shudder at the thought of that water draining
                            > into
                            > > the
                            > > > bilge... and there's no way I wanted to deal with having it
                            > drain
                            > > into a
                            > > > separate container and having to dump it all the time.
                            > > >
                            > > > Henry
                            > > >
                            > > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > > From: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > [mailto:macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                            eo_ant
                            > > > Sent: August 17, 2005 12:15 PM
                            > > > To: macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Subject: [macgregor19sailboats] Re: Sink Drain
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Bruce,
                            > > >
                            > > > I was going to go ahead and install one, but after thinking
                            > about it
                            > > > backed off from the idea. There is always some risk of getting
                            > water
                            > > > into the boat if the through hull is on the same side of the
                            > boat as
                            > > > the sink. While the boat might not normally be healed over far
                            > > enough
                            > > > for that to be a problem. Catching a large wave broadside in
                            > rough
                            > > > water might be enough to do it. Then you have the compounded
                            > problem
                            > > > of being knocked down and of water coming in through the sink.
                            > Many
                            > > > boat designs try to eliminate this problem by placing the sink
                            as
                            > > > close to the center of the boat as possible and as high as
                            > > practical.
                            > > >
                            > > > One solution on the M19 would be to pass the drain hose to the
                            > far
                            > > > side of the boat under the V berth. Even if it wass laid all
                            the
                            > way
                            > > > over one opening would always be above the water level.
                            > > >
                            > > > The solution I have in mind now is the reroute the centerboard
                            > line
                            > > up
                            > > > through the mast support post and then put the sink drain into
                            > the
                            > > > hole in the centerboard trunk that the centerboard line now
                            > passes
                            > > > through. No additional holes in the hull required.
                            > > >
                            > > > I've been very busy with work lately. So boat mods have been
                            on
                            > the
                            > > > back burner.
                            > > >
                            > > > My plan is to route a length of 1/8" SS pipe up the center of
                            > the
                            > > mast
                            > > > support post. The OD is almost the same as the bolt currently
                            in
                            > the
                            > > > center of the mast support plate. Some testing has suggested
                            > that
                            > > even
                            > > > if I could get the mast support post off of the centerboard
                            > trunk it
                            > > > might be very difficult to put it back. So my plan is to cut a
                            > notch
                            > > > out of one side of the bottom of the mast support post, cut
                            off
                            > the
                            > > > head of the bolt at the top of the post and then remove the
                            nut
                            > and
                            > > > bolt through the notch at the bottom of the support post. With
                            > the
                            > > > bolt out of the way I can then drill a hole in the top of the
                            > > > centerboard trunk in the middle of the mast support post and
                            > install
                            > > > my 1/8" SS pipe through which the line will run to raise and
                            > lower
                            > > the
                            > > > centerboard. I won't know how practical that approach is until
                            I
                            > get
                            > > > the centerboard out and can see how much room there is at the
                            > top of
                            > > > the trunk where the post is located.
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Eric
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Puckett"
                            > > > <mac19sailor@y...> wrote:
                            > > > > Henry and Eric,
                            > > > > I really liked the idea of a through hull fitting for the
                            sink
                            > > > > drain. I picked up a through hull and was getting ready to
                            > > install
                            > > > > it, but the area where it looks like Henry installed his
                            > through
                            > > > > hull is slightly flexible on JoJo. Have you had any
                            problems
                            > > with
                            > > > > possible bumping a dock and cracking the hull around the
                            hole
                            > > where
                            > > > > the fitting is installed? Also, Eric, have you made this
                            > > > > modification or did you go another route?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Thanks,
                            > > > > Bruce
                            > > > > JoJo 93 Mac 19--- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com,
                            > Henry
                            > > > > Ning <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                            > > > > > Eric
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > When you go into my album, click on that thumbnail photo
                            you
                            > > want
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > see, it will then show the individual photo (screen size),
                            > > click
                            > > > > on the
                            > > > > > picture again and you will get a full size photo.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Yeah, I used a nylon thru hull fitting. I didn't bother
                            with
                            > a
                            > > sea
                            > > > > cock,
                            > > > > > it's way above the water line. Have never had a problem
                            with
                            > > any
                            > > > > water
                            > > > > > coming back in.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Henry
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > eo_ant wrote:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Henry,
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > How do you view an image full size? I see file sizes
                            > listed as
                            > > > > > > thumbnail, screen, and full size, but haven't found the
                            > way
                            > > to
                            > > > > get to
                            > > > > > > full size.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Looks like you must have used a plastic or nylon thru
                            hull
                            > > > > fitting.
                            > > > > > > Did you use a sea cock on the inside or did you run
                            tubing
                            > > > > directly to
                            > > > > > > the drain?
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Eric
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Henry Ning
                            > > > > > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                            > > > > > > > Actually, I was able to add a thru hull and drain hose
                            > for
                            > > the
                            > > > > sink.
                            > > > > > > See
                            > > > > > > > a picture under Henry in photo section of where I
                            > mounted
                            > > the
                            > > > > thru
                            > > > > > > hull.
                            > > > > > > > Sorry about the quality... look at it full size to see
                            > > better.
                            > > > > Works
                            > > > > > > good.
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Henry
                            > > > > > > > http:// <http:///> www.geocites.com/henry_ning
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > eo_ant wrote:
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > The drain on the sink looks pretty funky. Goes to a
                            > limp
                            > > > > plastic jug.
                            > > > > > > > > Looks like the sink might be a little low and too
                            > close
                            > > to
                            > > > > the side to
                            > > > > > > > > simply put in a through hull fitting for the drain
                            > below
                            > > the
                            > > > > sink.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Has anyone found a good solution?
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Eric
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                            In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I could wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle modification to the rudders. In the
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                              In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I could
                              wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle modification
                              to the rudders. In the past, when I motoring quickly, I would notice
                              alot of backspray that was splashing onto the transom from the front-
                              top-flat portion of the rudder that was still in the water when the
                              rudders were up. Also, I speculated that this rudder flatspot would
                              create the localized higher water pressure that would force water up
                              the rudder pockets as that only happened to me when I was motoring
                              with the rudders up. I have since drilled the holes in the transom
                              to alleviate this problem and my bilge has been dry from this point
                              on. Anyhow, I decided to grind this rudder flatspot down to produce
                              a much more hydrodynamic shape using my $14.99 Harbor Freight 4"
                              electric grinder (that was the best spent money on a tool I have ever
                              done!). When I was motoring over to Catalina this past weekend, I
                              notice a much more streamline water pattern around this area and was
                              pretty satisfied with the results. Since I had about 300lbs of gear
                              on board at thsi time, I can't say this help my top speed at at this
                              point. If it did, it only might be slightly better. However, I'm
                              pretty sure it wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else done this and noticed
                              any benefits?

                              Henry, I also put an extra length "S" bends into my 1/2" sink drain
                              line to help prevent any seawater from backing into the drain. It
                              looks like it works pretty well as I haven't seen any evidence of
                              wetness in the sink after some good heeling moments. The only thing
                              about doing this is you need have a sufficient amount of water (ie at
                              least a cup's amount )in the sink to get the drain to start working.

                              -Chris
                            • Ron Buckles
                              Chris, How about a picture of you modified rudder? Thanks, Ron
                              Message 14 of 28 , Aug 22, 2005
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                                Chris,

                                How about a picture of you modified rudder?

                                Thanks,
                                Ron

                                --- Chris <cbhinkel2@...> wrote:

                                > In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I could
                                > wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle modification
                                > to the rudders. In the past, when I motoring quickly, I would notice
                                >
                                > alot of backspray that was splashing onto the transom from the front-
                                > top-flat portion of the rudder that was still in the water when the
                                > rudders were up. Also, I speculated that this rudder flatspot would
                                > create the localized higher water pressure that would force water up
                                > the rudder pockets as that only happened to me when I was motoring
                                > with the rudders up. I have since drilled the holes in the transom
                                > to alleviate this problem and my bilge has been dry from this point
                                > on. Anyhow, I decided to grind this rudder flatspot down to produce
                                > a much more hydrodynamic shape using my $14.99 Harbor Freight 4"
                                > electric grinder (that was the best spent money on a tool I have ever
                                >
                                > done!). When I was motoring over to Catalina this past weekend, I
                                > notice a much more streamline water pattern around this area and was
                                > pretty satisfied with the results. Since I had about 300lbs of gear
                                > on board at thsi time, I can't say this help my top speed at at this
                                > point. If it did, it only might be slightly better. However, I'm
                                > pretty sure it wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else done this and noticed
                                > any benefits?
                                >
                                > Henry, I also put an extra length "S" bends into my 1/2" sink drain
                                > line to help prevent any seawater from backing into the drain. It
                                > looks like it works pretty well as I haven't seen any evidence of
                                > wetness in the sink after some good heeling moments. The only thing
                                > about doing this is you need have a sufficient amount of water (ie at
                                >
                                > least a cup's amount )in the sink to get the drain to start working.
                                >
                                > -Chris
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                                Hi Ron, I ll get some more pictures up of my boat once I achieve some closure on the remaining the projects I have going on with it. (at which point I will be
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                                  Hi Ron,

                                  I'll get some more pictures up of my boat once I achieve some
                                  closure on the remaining the projects I have going on with it. (at
                                  which point I will be able to document everthing.) I should be
                                  there in about a month or so.

                                  To give you a head start on that, I basically made that top-flat
                                  rudder area (I think everyone knows what I'm talking about here) the
                                  same general shape as the leading edge of the rudders when they are
                                  down. There was sufficient beefiness in the fiberglass to grind
                                  that spot down. After I did that, I sanded with heavy grit
                                  sandpaper to smooth everything out. I finished it by painting the
                                  exposed fiberglass resin using a good marine polyurethane paint and
                                  went from there.

                                  -Chris


                                  --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Ron Buckles
                                  <ronbuckles@y...> wrote:
                                  > Chris,
                                  >
                                  > How about a picture of you modified rudder?
                                  >
                                  > Thanks,
                                  > Ron
                                  >
                                  > --- Chris <cbhinkel2@c...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I
                                  could
                                  > > wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle
                                  modification
                                  > > to the rudders. In the past, when I motoring quickly, I would
                                  notice
                                  > >
                                  > > alot of backspray that was splashing onto the transom from the
                                  front-
                                  > > top-flat portion of the rudder that was still in the water when
                                  the
                                  > > rudders were up. Also, I speculated that this rudder flatspot
                                  would
                                  > > create the localized higher water pressure that would force
                                  water up
                                  > > the rudder pockets as that only happened to me when I was
                                  motoring
                                  > > with the rudders up. I have since drilled the holes in the
                                  transom
                                  > > to alleviate this problem and my bilge has been dry from this
                                  point
                                  > > on. Anyhow, I decided to grind this rudder flatspot down to
                                  produce
                                  > > a much more hydrodynamic shape using my $14.99 Harbor Freight 4"
                                  > > electric grinder (that was the best spent money on a tool I have
                                  ever
                                  > >
                                  > > done!). When I was motoring over to Catalina this past weekend,
                                  I
                                  > > notice a much more streamline water pattern around this area and
                                  was
                                  > > pretty satisfied with the results. Since I had about 300lbs of
                                  gear
                                  > > on board at thsi time, I can't say this help my top speed at at
                                  this
                                  > > point. If it did, it only might be slightly better. However,
                                  I'm
                                  > > pretty sure it wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else done this and
                                  noticed
                                  > > any benefits?
                                  > >
                                  > > Henry, I also put an extra length "S" bends into my 1/2" sink
                                  drain
                                  > > line to help prevent any seawater from backing into the drain.
                                  It
                                  > > looks like it works pretty well as I haven't seen any evidence
                                  of
                                  > > wetness in the sink after some good heeling moments. The only
                                  thing
                                  > > about doing this is you need have a sufficient amount of water
                                  (ie at
                                  > >
                                  > > least a cup's amount )in the sink to get the drain to start
                                  working.
                                  > >
                                  > > -Chris
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                                • Ron Buckles
                                  Hi all, I wonder if this work with the Idasailor rudders? Ron
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                                    Hi all,

                                    I wonder if this work with the Idasailor rudders?

                                    Ron

                                    --- Chris <cbhinkel2@...> wrote:

                                    > Hi Ron,
                                    >
                                    > I'll get some more pictures up of my boat once I achieve some
                                    > closure on the remaining the projects I have going on with it. (at
                                    > which point I will be able to document everthing.) I should be
                                    > there in about a month or so.
                                    >
                                    > To give you a head start on that, I basically made that top-flat
                                    > rudder area (I think everyone knows what I'm talking about here) the
                                    > same general shape as the leading edge of the rudders when they are
                                    > down. There was sufficient beefiness in the fiberglass to grind
                                    > that spot down. After I did that, I sanded with heavy grit
                                    > sandpaper to smooth everything out. I finished it by painting the
                                    > exposed fiberglass resin using a good marine polyurethane paint and
                                    > went from there.
                                    >
                                    > -Chris
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, Ron Buckles
                                    > <ronbuckles@y...> wrote:
                                    > > Chris,
                                    > >
                                    > > How about a picture of you modified rudder?
                                    > >
                                    > > Thanks,
                                    > > Ron
                                    > >
                                    > > --- Chris <cbhinkel2@c...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > > In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I
                                    > could
                                    > > > wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle
                                    > modification
                                    > > > to the rudders. In the past, when I motoring quickly, I would
                                    > notice
                                    > > >
                                    > > > alot of backspray that was splashing onto the transom from the
                                    > front-
                                    > > > top-flat portion of the rudder that was still in the water when
                                    > the
                                    > > > rudders were up. Also, I speculated that this rudder flatspot
                                    > would
                                    > > > create the localized higher water pressure that would force
                                    > water up
                                    > > > the rudder pockets as that only happened to me when I was
                                    > motoring
                                    > > > with the rudders up. I have since drilled the holes in the
                                    > transom
                                    > > > to alleviate this problem and my bilge has been dry from this
                                    > point
                                    > > > on. Anyhow, I decided to grind this rudder flatspot down to
                                    > produce
                                    > > > a much more hydrodynamic shape using my $14.99 Harbor Freight 4"
                                    > > > electric grinder (that was the best spent money on a tool I have
                                    > ever
                                    > > >
                                    > > > done!). When I was motoring over to Catalina this past weekend,
                                    > I
                                    > > > notice a much more streamline water pattern around this area and
                                    > was
                                    > > > pretty satisfied with the results. Since I had about 300lbs of
                                    > gear
                                    > > > on board at thsi time, I can't say this help my top speed at at
                                    > this
                                    > > > point. If it did, it only might be slightly better. However,
                                    > I'm
                                    > > > pretty sure it wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else done this and
                                    > noticed
                                    > > > any benefits?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Henry, I also put an extra length "S" bends into my 1/2" sink
                                    > drain
                                    > > > line to help prevent any seawater from backing into the drain.
                                    > It
                                    > > > looks like it works pretty well as I haven't seen any evidence
                                    > of
                                    > > > wetness in the sink after some good heeling moments. The only
                                    > thing
                                    > > > about doing this is you need have a sufficient amount of water
                                    > (ie at
                                    > > >
                                    > > > least a cup's amount )in the sink to get the drain to start
                                    > working.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > -Chris
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                                    As I understand my conversation with the dealer an even further improvement could be made by using some custom made metal brackets to move the rudders pivot
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Aug 23, 2005
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                                      As I understand my conversation with the dealer an even further
                                      improvement could be made by using some custom made metal brackets to
                                      move the rudders' pivot points aft. Then larger rudders could be used
                                      for sailing or motoring slowly, and they could be pulled all of the
                                      way out of the water while motoring fast. In other words a similar
                                      setup to the newer Mac motorsailors.

                                      I got the impression that at least one Mac19 was modified in this way
                                      some time ago with good success.

                                      I believe the IdaSailor rudders are made from a solid piece of some
                                      type of plastic. So they could be shaped as much as you want without
                                      compromising the structure. And because they are slightly larger and
                                      better shaped than the original M19 rudders offer performance
                                      improvements without the more extensive modifications required to move
                                      the rudders aft.

                                      Eric


                                      --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <cbhinkel2@c...>
                                      wrote:
                                      > In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I could
                                      > wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle modification
                                      > to the rudders. In the past, when I motoring quickly, I would notice
                                      > alot of backspray that was splashing onto the transom from the front-
                                      > top-flat portion of the rudder that was still in the water when the
                                      > rudders were up. Also, I speculated that this rudder flatspot would
                                      > create the localized higher water pressure that would force water up
                                      > the rudder pockets as that only happened to me when I was motoring
                                      > with the rudders up. I have since drilled the holes in the transom
                                      > to alleviate this problem and my bilge has been dry from this point
                                      > on. Anyhow, I decided to grind this rudder flatspot down to produce
                                      > a much more hydrodynamic shape using my $14.99 Harbor Freight 4"
                                      > electric grinder (that was the best spent money on a tool I have ever
                                      > done!). When I was motoring over to Catalina this past weekend, I
                                      > notice a much more streamline water pattern around this area and was
                                      > pretty satisfied with the results. Since I had about 300lbs of gear
                                      > on board at thsi time, I can't say this help my top speed at at this
                                      > point. If it did, it only might be slightly better. However, I'm
                                      > pretty sure it wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else done this and noticed
                                      > any benefits?
                                      >
                                      > Henry, I also put an extra length "S" bends into my 1/2" sink drain
                                      > line to help prevent any seawater from backing into the drain. It
                                      > looks like it works pretty well as I haven't seen any evidence of
                                      > wetness in the sink after some good heeling moments. The only thing
                                      > about doing this is you need have a sufficient amount of water (ie at
                                      > least a cup's amount )in the sink to get the drain to start working.
                                      >
                                      > -Chris
                                    • Henry Ning
                                      Chris Great ideal. Let s see pictures. BTW, where did you drill holes in the transom? I ve been thinking of removing my rudders altogether, along with the
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Aug 23, 2005
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                                        Chris

                                        Great ideal. Let's see pictures. BTW, where did you drill holes in
                                        the transom?

                                        I've been thinking of removing my rudders altogether, along with the
                                        crossbars and the tiller. Lately we haven't been sailing that much
                                        anyway... and now that we don't have a slip anymore, it's a hassle
                                        having to put the mast up and down.

                                        Regards,
                                        Henry

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                                        wrote:
                                        > In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I could
                                        > wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle
                                        modification
                                        > to the rudders. In the past, when I motoring quickly, I would
                                        notice
                                        > alot of backspray that was splashing onto the transom from the
                                        front-
                                        > top-flat portion of the rudder that was still in the water when the
                                        > rudders were up. Also, I speculated that this rudder flatspot
                                        would
                                        > create the localized higher water pressure that would force water
                                        up
                                        > the rudder pockets as that only happened to me when I was motoring
                                        > with the rudders up. I have since drilled the holes in the transom
                                        > to alleviate this problem and my bilge has been dry from this point
                                        > on. Anyhow, I decided to grind this rudder flatspot down to
                                        produce
                                        > a much more hydrodynamic shape using my $14.99 Harbor Freight 4"
                                        > electric grinder (that was the best spent money on a tool I have
                                        ever
                                        > done!). When I was motoring over to Catalina this past weekend, I
                                        > notice a much more streamline water pattern around this area and
                                        was
                                        > pretty satisfied with the results. Since I had about 300lbs of
                                        gear
                                        > on board at thsi time, I can't say this help my top speed at at
                                        this
                                        > point. If it did, it only might be slightly better. However, I'm
                                        > pretty sure it wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else done this and
                                        noticed
                                        > any benefits?
                                        >
                                        > Henry, I also put an extra length "S" bends into my 1/2" sink drain
                                        > line to help prevent any seawater from backing into the drain. It
                                        > looks like it works pretty well as I haven't seen any evidence of
                                        > wetness in the sink after some good heeling moments. The only
                                        thing
                                        > about doing this is you need have a sufficient amount of water (ie
                                        at
                                        > least a cup's amount )in the sink to get the drain to start
                                        working.
                                        >
                                        > -Chris
                                      • Chris
                                        Henry, I eyeballed a couple of pictures in the photos section and went from there to drill the holes in the transom. I don t know about other people s boats,
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                                          Henry,

                                          I eyeballed a couple of pictures in the photos section and went from
                                          there to drill the holes in the transom. I don't know about other
                                          people's boats, but my rudder pockets in my 1992 Mac19 end halfway up
                                          the transom. The holes I drilled are about 4-6" below the top lip of
                                          the rudder pockets.

                                          And like you, I only sail a small fraction of the time when I use my
                                          Mac19. This is one of the big reasons why I bought this boat as I
                                          mostly keep my mast stowed in the cabin vs. with my old 26X I had to
                                          always rig the boat. The difference here is I can pull into the ramp
                                          area and directly launch my Mac19 vs about the 45 minutes of time to
                                          rig/de-rig my 26X with its roller furling. Going fishing or just
                                          doing the boat camping thing has been much more enjoyable.

                                          IMHO, I would be hesitant to remove the rudders all together,
                                          especially if your outboard motor doesn't have full steering
                                          capabilities. Even when the rudders are up, they still have quite a
                                          bit of steering force. You just can't use them at higher speeds or
                                          put too much force on the tiller. Also, you can only back up at idle
                                          speeds. Overall, I'm pretty happy with how my slow speed steering
                                          system works now with the centerboard fully down, the rudders being
                                          up (and them not providing any undo drag when motoring fast). This
                                          is especially important for when you are trying to tie yourself up to
                                          string line at Catalina between two boats only 16ft apart. I was
                                          able to do that for the first time all by myself this past weekend
                                          with little apprehension to bump into my new temporary neighbors. :>)

                                          -Chris




                                          --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                                          <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                                          > Chris
                                          >
                                          > Great ideal. Let's see pictures. BTW, where did you drill holes in
                                          > the transom?
                                          >
                                          > I've been thinking of removing my rudders altogether, along with
                                          the
                                          > crossbars and the tiller. Lately we haven't been sailing that much
                                          > anyway... and now that we don't have a slip anymore, it's a hassle
                                          > having to put the mast up and down.
                                          >
                                          > Regards,
                                          > Henry
                                          >
                                          > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Chris"
                                          <cbhinkel2@c...>
                                          > wrote:
                                          > > In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I
                                          could
                                          > > wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle
                                          > modification
                                          > > to the rudders. In the past, when I motoring quickly, I would
                                          > notice
                                          > > alot of backspray that was splashing onto the transom from the
                                          > front-
                                          > > top-flat portion of the rudder that was still in the water when
                                          the
                                          > > rudders were up. Also, I speculated that this rudder flatspot
                                          > would
                                          > > create the localized higher water pressure that would force water
                                          > up
                                          > > the rudder pockets as that only happened to me when I was
                                          motoring
                                          > > with the rudders up. I have since drilled the holes in the
                                          transom
                                          > > to alleviate this problem and my bilge has been dry from this
                                          point
                                          > > on. Anyhow, I decided to grind this rudder flatspot down to
                                          > produce
                                          > > a much more hydrodynamic shape using my $14.99 Harbor Freight 4"
                                          > > electric grinder (that was the best spent money on a tool I have
                                          > ever
                                          > > done!). When I was motoring over to Catalina this past weekend,
                                          I
                                          > > notice a much more streamline water pattern around this area and
                                          > was
                                          > > pretty satisfied with the results. Since I had about 300lbs of
                                          > gear
                                          > > on board at thsi time, I can't say this help my top speed at at
                                          > this
                                          > > point. If it did, it only might be slightly better. However,
                                          I'm
                                          > > pretty sure it wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else done this and
                                          > noticed
                                          > > any benefits?
                                          > >
                                          > > Henry, I also put an extra length "S" bends into my 1/2" sink
                                          drain
                                          > > line to help prevent any seawater from backing into the drain.
                                          It
                                          > > looks like it works pretty well as I haven't seen any evidence of
                                          > > wetness in the sink after some good heeling moments. The only
                                          > thing
                                          > > about doing this is you need have a sufficient amount of water
                                          (ie
                                          > at
                                          > > least a cup's amount )in the sink to get the drain to start
                                          > working.
                                          > >
                                          > > -Chris
                                        • eo_ant
                                          Chris & Henry, If you aren t using the boat for sailing, aren t there better choices for power boat only usuage? Why would you choose a M19 instead of a boat
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                                            Chris & Henry,

                                            If you aren't using the boat for sailing, aren't there better choices
                                            for power boat only usuage? Why would you choose a M19 instead of a
                                            boat designed only for power? With a power boat you wouldn't have to
                                            bother with the mast at all or any of the other fittings required only
                                            for sailing. Just curious.

                                            Eric



                                            --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <cbhinkel2@c...>
                                            wrote:
                                            > Henry,
                                            >
                                            > I eyeballed a couple of pictures in the photos section and went from
                                            > there to drill the holes in the transom. I don't know about other
                                            > people's boats, but my rudder pockets in my 1992 Mac19 end halfway up
                                            > the transom. The holes I drilled are about 4-6" below the top lip of
                                            > the rudder pockets.
                                            >
                                            > And like you, I only sail a small fraction of the time when I use my
                                            > Mac19. This is one of the big reasons why I bought this boat as I
                                            > mostly keep my mast stowed in the cabin vs. with my old 26X I had to
                                            > always rig the boat. The difference here is I can pull into the ramp
                                            > area and directly launch my Mac19 vs about the 45 minutes of time to
                                            > rig/de-rig my 26X with its roller furling. Going fishing or just
                                            > doing the boat camping thing has been much more enjoyable.
                                            >
                                            > IMHO, I would be hesitant to remove the rudders all together,
                                            > especially if your outboard motor doesn't have full steering
                                            > capabilities. Even when the rudders are up, they still have quite a
                                            > bit of steering force. You just can't use them at higher speeds or
                                            > put too much force on the tiller. Also, you can only back up at idle
                                            > speeds. Overall, I'm pretty happy with how my slow speed steering
                                            > system works now with the centerboard fully down, the rudders being
                                            > up (and them not providing any undo drag when motoring fast). This
                                            > is especially important for when you are trying to tie yourself up to
                                            > string line at Catalina between two boats only 16ft apart. I was
                                            > able to do that for the first time all by myself this past weekend
                                            > with little apprehension to bump into my new temporary neighbors. :>)
                                            >
                                            > -Chris
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                                            > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                                            > > Chris
                                            > >
                                            > > Great ideal. Let's see pictures. BTW, where did you drill holes in
                                            > > the transom?
                                            > >
                                            > > I've been thinking of removing my rudders altogether, along with
                                            > the
                                            > > crossbars and the tiller. Lately we haven't been sailing that much
                                            > > anyway... and now that we don't have a slip anymore, it's a hassle
                                            > > having to put the mast up and down.
                                            > >
                                            > > Regards,
                                            > > Henry
                                            > >
                                            > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Chris"
                                            > <cbhinkel2@c...>
                                            > > wrote:
                                            > > > In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I
                                            > could
                                            > > > wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle
                                            > > modification
                                            > > > to the rudders. In the past, when I motoring quickly, I would
                                            > > notice
                                            > > > alot of backspray that was splashing onto the transom from the
                                            > > front-
                                            > > > top-flat portion of the rudder that was still in the water when
                                            > the
                                            > > > rudders were up. Also, I speculated that this rudder flatspot
                                            > > would
                                            > > > create the localized higher water pressure that would force water
                                            > > up
                                            > > > the rudder pockets as that only happened to me when I was
                                            > motoring
                                            > > > with the rudders up. I have since drilled the holes in the
                                            > transom
                                            > > > to alleviate this problem and my bilge has been dry from this
                                            > point
                                            > > > on. Anyhow, I decided to grind this rudder flatspot down to
                                            > > produce
                                            > > > a much more hydrodynamic shape using my $14.99 Harbor Freight 4"
                                            > > > electric grinder (that was the best spent money on a tool I have
                                            > > ever
                                            > > > done!). When I was motoring over to Catalina this past weekend,
                                            > I
                                            > > > notice a much more streamline water pattern around this area and
                                            > > was
                                            > > > pretty satisfied with the results. Since I had about 300lbs of
                                            > > gear
                                            > > > on board at thsi time, I can't say this help my top speed at at
                                            > > this
                                            > > > point. If it did, it only might be slightly better. However,
                                            > I'm
                                            > > > pretty sure it wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else done this and
                                            > > noticed
                                            > > > any benefits?
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Henry, I also put an extra length "S" bends into my 1/2" sink
                                            > drain
                                            > > > line to help prevent any seawater from backing into the drain.
                                            > It
                                            > > > looks like it works pretty well as I haven't seen any evidence of
                                            > > > wetness in the sink after some good heeling moments. The only
                                            > > thing
                                            > > > about doing this is you need have a sufficient amount of water
                                            > (ie
                                            > > at
                                            > > > least a cup's amount )in the sink to get the drain to start
                                            > > working.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > -Chris
                                          • Chris
                                            Eric, I didn t buy a dedicated powerboat because you essentially can t sail other powerboats. I didn t say I was not using the boat at all for sailing, it s
                                            Message 21 of 28 , Aug 23, 2005
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                                              Eric,

                                              I didn't buy a dedicated powerboat because you essentially can't sail
                                              other powerboats.

                                              I didn't say I was not using the boat at all for sailing, it's just
                                              not my primary choice right now for me. Summertime is my fishing and
                                              Catalina season. I prefer to sail more in the winter season when the
                                              winds are more brisk in my area. Also, I'm midway through a
                                              restoration with the rigging and sail upgrades planned as the last
                                              stage of my Mac19 project. I'll sail it more once I get it optimized
                                              and more enjoyable for me to sail. :>)

                                              -Chris

                                              --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "eo_ant" <eric@h...>
                                              wrote:
                                              > Chris & Henry,
                                              >
                                              > If you aren't using the boat for sailing, aren't there better
                                              choices
                                              > for power boat only usuage? Why would you choose a M19 instead of a
                                              > boat designed only for power? With a power boat you wouldn't have to
                                              > bother with the mast at all or any of the other fittings required
                                              only
                                              > for sailing. Just curious.
                                              >
                                              > Eric
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Chris"
                                              <cbhinkel2@c...>
                                              > wrote:
                                              > > Henry,
                                              > >
                                              > > I eyeballed a couple of pictures in the photos section and went
                                              from
                                              > > there to drill the holes in the transom. I don't know about
                                              other
                                              > > people's boats, but my rudder pockets in my 1992 Mac19 end
                                              halfway up
                                              > > the transom. The holes I drilled are about 4-6" below the top
                                              lip of
                                              > > the rudder pockets.
                                              > >
                                              > > And like you, I only sail a small fraction of the time when I use
                                              my
                                              > > Mac19. This is one of the big reasons why I bought this boat as
                                              I
                                              > > mostly keep my mast stowed in the cabin vs. with my old 26X I had
                                              to
                                              > > always rig the boat. The difference here is I can pull into the
                                              ramp
                                              > > area and directly launch my Mac19 vs about the 45 minutes of time
                                              to
                                              > > rig/de-rig my 26X with its roller furling. Going fishing or just
                                              > > doing the boat camping thing has been much more enjoyable.
                                              > >
                                              > > IMHO, I would be hesitant to remove the rudders all together,
                                              > > especially if your outboard motor doesn't have full steering
                                              > > capabilities. Even when the rudders are up, they still have
                                              quite a
                                              > > bit of steering force. You just can't use them at higher speeds
                                              or
                                              > > put too much force on the tiller. Also, you can only back up at
                                              idle
                                              > > speeds. Overall, I'm pretty happy with how my slow speed
                                              steering
                                              > > system works now with the centerboard fully down, the rudders
                                              being
                                              > > up (and them not providing any undo drag when motoring fast).
                                              This
                                              > > is especially important for when you are trying to tie yourself
                                              up to
                                              > > string line at Catalina between two boats only 16ft apart. I was
                                              > > able to do that for the first time all by myself this past
                                              weekend
                                              > > with little apprehension to bump into my new temporary
                                              neighbors. :>)
                                              > >
                                              > > -Chris
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                                              > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                                              > > > Chris
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Great ideal. Let's see pictures. BTW, where did you drill holes
                                              in
                                              > > > the transom?
                                              > > >
                                              > > > I've been thinking of removing my rudders altogether, along
                                              with
                                              > > the
                                              > > > crossbars and the tiller. Lately we haven't been sailing that
                                              much
                                              > > > anyway... and now that we don't have a slip anymore, it's a
                                              hassle
                                              > > > having to put the mast up and down.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Regards,
                                              > > > Henry
                                              > > >
                                              > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Chris"
                                              > > <cbhinkel2@c...>
                                              > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I
                                              > > could
                                              > > > > wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle
                                              > > > modification
                                              > > > > to the rudders. In the past, when I motoring quickly, I
                                              would
                                              > > > notice
                                              > > > > alot of backspray that was splashing onto the transom from
                                              the
                                              > > > front-
                                              > > > > top-flat portion of the rudder that was still in the water
                                              when
                                              > > the
                                              > > > > rudders were up. Also, I speculated that this rudder
                                              flatspot
                                              > > > would
                                              > > > > create the localized higher water pressure that would force
                                              water
                                              > > > up
                                              > > > > the rudder pockets as that only happened to me when I was
                                              > > motoring
                                              > > > > with the rudders up. I have since drilled the holes in the
                                              > > transom
                                              > > > > to alleviate this problem and my bilge has been dry from this
                                              > > point
                                              > > > > on. Anyhow, I decided to grind this rudder flatspot down to
                                              > > > produce
                                              > > > > a much more hydrodynamic shape using my $14.99 Harbor Freight
                                              4"
                                              > > > > electric grinder (that was the best spent money on a tool I
                                              have
                                              > > > ever
                                              > > > > done!). When I was motoring over to Catalina this past
                                              weekend,
                                              > > I
                                              > > > > notice a much more streamline water pattern around this area
                                              and
                                              > > > was
                                              > > > > pretty satisfied with the results. Since I had about 300lbs
                                              of
                                              > > > gear
                                              > > > > on board at thsi time, I can't say this help my top speed at
                                              at
                                              > > > this
                                              > > > > point. If it did, it only might be slightly better.
                                              However,
                                              > > I'm
                                              > > > > pretty sure it wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else done this and
                                              > > > noticed
                                              > > > > any benefits?
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Henry, I also put an extra length "S" bends into my 1/2" sink
                                              > > drain
                                              > > > > line to help prevent any seawater from backing into the
                                              drain.
                                              > > It
                                              > > > > looks like it works pretty well as I haven't seen any
                                              evidence of
                                              > > > > wetness in the sink after some good heeling moments. The
                                              only
                                              > > > thing
                                              > > > > about doing this is you need have a sufficient amount of
                                              water
                                              > > (ie
                                              > > > at
                                              > > > > least a cup's amount )in the sink to get the drain to start
                                              > > > working.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > -Chris
                                            • Henry Ning
                                              Eric I had a 23ft cuddy cabin powerboat before the M19. That big V8 mercruiser used more gas in one day than what I would use in the M19 all season. It was
                                              Message 22 of 28 , Aug 24, 2005
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                                                Eric

                                                I had a 23ft cuddy cabin powerboat before the M19. That big V8
                                                mercruiser used more gas in one day than what I would use in the M19
                                                all season. It was also loud.
                                                The powerboat was too big for me to tow with my pathfinder (which can
                                                easily tow the M19) so I had to pay for the beginning of season
                                                launch and end of season haul-out. It won't fit in my garage so I had
                                                to pay for winter storage. I had to pay for a slip in the summer. I
                                                also had to pay for end of season maintenance, winterizing and shrink
                                                wrapping. The M19 fits nicely in my garage. I can do the motor
                                                maintenance and winterizing myself. I can also work on mods in
                                                comfort.
                                                The M19 also has better interior accomodation that any 23 ft cuddy
                                                cabin's that I have seen so far.
                                                However, the powerboat definitely had a nicer and roomery cockpit. It
                                                was great for entertaining family and friends, but because we boat on
                                                Lake Ontario (which can get and is usually a little rougher than the
                                                smaller inland lakes), there was always someone who would get
                                                seasick. So most people come the first time and then never again.
                                                Since we have already run through everyone we know, the cockpit size
                                                of the M19 is perfect just for us (wife and son).
                                                Most of these things probably wouldn't be an issue if I was fairly
                                                well to do, but I'm not, so the M19 fits my finances and needs
                                                perfectly... better than any other 19ft boat. Plus we still like to
                                                sail occasionally.

                                                Regards,
                                                Henry


                                                --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "eo_ant" <eric@h...>
                                                wrote:
                                                > Chris & Henry,
                                                >
                                                > If you aren't using the boat for sailing, aren't there better
                                                choices
                                                > for power boat only usuage? Why would you choose a M19 instead of a
                                                > boat designed only for power? With a power boat you wouldn't have to
                                                > bother with the mast at all or any of the other fittings required
                                                only
                                                > for sailing. Just curious.
                                                >
                                                > Eric
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Chris"
                                                <cbhinkel2@c...>
                                                > wrote:
                                                > > Henry,
                                                > >
                                                > > I eyeballed a couple of pictures in the photos section and went
                                                from
                                                > > there to drill the holes in the transom. I don't know about
                                                other
                                                > > people's boats, but my rudder pockets in my 1992 Mac19 end
                                                halfway up
                                                > > the transom. The holes I drilled are about 4-6" below the top
                                                lip of
                                                > > the rudder pockets.
                                                > >
                                                > > And like you, I only sail a small fraction of the time when I use
                                                my
                                                > > Mac19. This is one of the big reasons why I bought this boat as
                                                I
                                                > > mostly keep my mast stowed in the cabin vs. with my old 26X I had
                                                to
                                                > > always rig the boat. The difference here is I can pull into the
                                                ramp
                                                > > area and directly launch my Mac19 vs about the 45 minutes of time
                                                to
                                                > > rig/de-rig my 26X with its roller furling. Going fishing or just
                                                > > doing the boat camping thing has been much more enjoyable.
                                                > >
                                                > > IMHO, I would be hesitant to remove the rudders all together,
                                                > > especially if your outboard motor doesn't have full steering
                                                > > capabilities. Even when the rudders are up, they still have
                                                quite a
                                                > > bit of steering force. You just can't use them at higher speeds
                                                or
                                                > > put too much force on the tiller. Also, you can only back up at
                                                idle
                                                > > speeds. Overall, I'm pretty happy with how my slow speed
                                                steering
                                                > > system works now with the centerboard fully down, the rudders
                                                being
                                                > > up (and them not providing any undo drag when motoring fast).
                                                This
                                                > > is especially important for when you are trying to tie yourself
                                                up to
                                                > > string line at Catalina between two boats only 16ft apart. I was
                                                > > able to do that for the first time all by myself this past
                                                weekend
                                                > > with little apprehension to bump into my new temporary
                                                neighbors. :>)
                                                > >
                                                > > -Chris
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                                                > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                                                > > > Chris
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Great ideal. Let's see pictures. BTW, where did you drill holes
                                                in
                                                > > > the transom?
                                                > > >
                                                > > > I've been thinking of removing my rudders altogether, along
                                                with
                                                > > the
                                                > > > crossbars and the tiller. Lately we haven't been sailing that
                                                much
                                                > > > anyway... and now that we don't have a slip anymore, it's a
                                                hassle
                                                > > > having to put the mast up and down.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Regards,
                                                > > > Henry
                                                > > >
                                                > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Chris"
                                                > > <cbhinkel2@c...>
                                                > > > wrote:
                                                > > > > In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I
                                                > > could
                                                > > > > wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle
                                                > > > modification
                                                > > > > to the rudders. In the past, when I motoring quickly, I
                                                would
                                                > > > notice
                                                > > > > alot of backspray that was splashing onto the transom from
                                                the
                                                > > > front-
                                                > > > > top-flat portion of the rudder that was still in the water
                                                when
                                                > > the
                                                > > > > rudders were up. Also, I speculated that this rudder
                                                flatspot
                                                > > > would
                                                > > > > create the localized higher water pressure that would force
                                                water
                                                > > > up
                                                > > > > the rudder pockets as that only happened to me when I was
                                                > > motoring
                                                > > > > with the rudders up. I have since drilled the holes in the
                                                > > transom
                                                > > > > to alleviate this problem and my bilge has been dry from this
                                                > > point
                                                > > > > on. Anyhow, I decided to grind this rudder flatspot down to
                                                > > > produce
                                                > > > > a much more hydrodynamic shape using my $14.99 Harbor Freight
                                                4"
                                                > > > > electric grinder (that was the best spent money on a tool I
                                                have
                                                > > > ever
                                                > > > > done!). When I was motoring over to Catalina this past
                                                weekend,
                                                > > I
                                                > > > > notice a much more streamline water pattern around this area
                                                and
                                                > > > was
                                                > > > > pretty satisfied with the results. Since I had about 300lbs
                                                of
                                                > > > gear
                                                > > > > on board at thsi time, I can't say this help my top speed at
                                                at
                                                > > > this
                                                > > > > point. If it did, it only might be slightly better.
                                                However,
                                                > > I'm
                                                > > > > pretty sure it wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else done this and
                                                > > > noticed
                                                > > > > any benefits?
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Henry, I also put an extra length "S" bends into my 1/2" sink
                                                > > drain
                                                > > > > line to help prevent any seawater from backing into the
                                                drain.
                                                > > It
                                                > > > > looks like it works pretty well as I haven't seen any
                                                evidence of
                                                > > > > wetness in the sink after some good heeling moments. The
                                                only
                                                > > > thing
                                                > > > > about doing this is you need have a sufficient amount of
                                                water
                                                > > (ie
                                                > > > at
                                                > > > > least a cup's amount )in the sink to get the drain to start
                                                > > > working.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > -Chris
                                              • Ron Buckles
                                                Logic and reasoning strikes again! Ron ... === message truncated ===
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                                                  Logic and reasoning strikes again!
                                                  Ron

                                                  --- Henry Ning <henry.ning@...> wrote:

                                                  > Eric
                                                  >
                                                  > I had a 23ft cuddy cabin powerboat before the M19. That big V8
                                                  > mercruiser used more gas in one day than what I would use in the M19
                                                  > all season. It was also loud.
                                                  > The powerboat was too big for me to tow with my pathfinder (which can
                                                  >
                                                  > easily tow the M19) so I had to pay for the beginning of season
                                                  > launch and end of season haul-out. It won't fit in my garage so I had
                                                  >
                                                  > to pay for winter storage. I had to pay for a slip in the summer. I
                                                  > also had to pay for end of season maintenance, winterizing and shrink
                                                  >
                                                  > wrapping. The M19 fits nicely in my garage. I can do the motor
                                                  > maintenance and winterizing myself. I can also work on mods in
                                                  > comfort.
                                                  > The M19 also has better interior accomodation that any 23 ft cuddy
                                                  > cabin's that I have seen so far.
                                                  > However, the powerboat definitely had a nicer and roomery cockpit. It
                                                  >
                                                  > was great for entertaining family and friends, but because we boat on
                                                  >
                                                  > Lake Ontario (which can get and is usually a little rougher than the
                                                  > smaller inland lakes), there was always someone who would get
                                                  > seasick. So most people come the first time and then never again.
                                                  > Since we have already run through everyone we know, the cockpit size
                                                  > of the M19 is perfect just for us (wife and son).
                                                  > Most of these things probably wouldn't be an issue if I was fairly
                                                  > well to do, but I'm not, so the M19 fits my finances and needs
                                                  > perfectly... better than any other 19ft boat. Plus we still like to
                                                  > sail occasionally.
                                                  >
                                                  > Regards,
                                                  > Henry
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "eo_ant" <eric@h...>
                                                  > wrote:
                                                  > > Chris & Henry,
                                                  > >
                                                  > > If you aren't using the boat for sailing, aren't there better
                                                  > choices
                                                  > > for power boat only usuage? Why would you choose a M19 instead of a
                                                  > > boat designed only for power? With a power boat you wouldn't have
                                                  > to
                                                  > > bother with the mast at all or any of the other fittings required
                                                  > only
                                                  > > for sailing. Just curious.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Eric
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Chris"
                                                  > <cbhinkel2@c...>
                                                  > > wrote:
                                                  > > > Henry,
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > I eyeballed a couple of pictures in the photos section and went
                                                  > from
                                                  > > > there to drill the holes in the transom. I don't know about
                                                  > other
                                                  > > > people's boats, but my rudder pockets in my 1992 Mac19 end
                                                  > halfway up
                                                  > > > the transom. The holes I drilled are about 4-6" below the top
                                                  > lip of
                                                  > > > the rudder pockets.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > And like you, I only sail a small fraction of the time when I use
                                                  >
                                                  > my
                                                  > > > Mac19. This is one of the big reasons why I bought this boat as
                                                  > I
                                                  > > > mostly keep my mast stowed in the cabin vs. with my old 26X I had
                                                  >
                                                  > to
                                                  > > > always rig the boat. The difference here is I can pull into the
                                                  > ramp
                                                  > > > area and directly launch my Mac19 vs about the 45 minutes of time
                                                  >
                                                  > to
                                                  > > > rig/de-rig my 26X with its roller furling. Going fishing or just
                                                  >
                                                  > > > doing the boat camping thing has been much more enjoyable.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > IMHO, I would be hesitant to remove the rudders all together,
                                                  > > > especially if your outboard motor doesn't have full steering
                                                  > > > capabilities. Even when the rudders are up, they still have
                                                  > quite a
                                                  > > > bit of steering force. You just can't use them at higher speeds
                                                  > or
                                                  > > > put too much force on the tiller. Also, you can only back up at
                                                  > idle
                                                  > > > speeds. Overall, I'm pretty happy with how my slow speed
                                                  > steering
                                                  > > > system works now with the centerboard fully down, the rudders
                                                  > being
                                                  > > > up (and them not providing any undo drag when motoring fast).
                                                  > This
                                                  > > > is especially important for when you are trying to tie yourself
                                                  > up to
                                                  > > > string line at Catalina between two boats only 16ft apart. I was
                                                  >
                                                  > > > able to do that for the first time all by myself this past
                                                  > weekend
                                                  > > > with little apprehension to bump into my new temporary
                                                  > neighbors. :>)
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > -Chris
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                                                  > > > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                                                  > > > > Chris
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Great ideal. Let's see pictures. BTW, where did you drill holes
                                                  >
                                                  > in
                                                  > > > > the transom?
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > I've been thinking of removing my rudders altogether, along
                                                  > with
                                                  > > > the
                                                  > > > > crossbars and the tiller. Lately we haven't been sailing that
                                                  > much
                                                  > > > > anyway... and now that we don't have a slip anymore, it's a
                                                  > hassle
                                                  > > > > having to put the mast up and down.
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Regards,
                                                  > > > > Henry
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Chris"
                                                  > > > <cbhinkel2@c...>
                                                  > > > > wrote:
                                                  > > > > > In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I
                                                  > > > could
                                                  > > > > > wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle
                                                  > > > > modification
                                                  > > > > > to the rudders. In the past, when I motoring quickly, I
                                                  > would
                                                  > > > > notice
                                                  > > > > > alot of backspray that was splashing onto the transom from
                                                  > the
                                                  > > > > front-
                                                  > > > > > top-flat portion of the rudder that was still in the water
                                                  > when
                                                  > > > the
                                                  > > > > > rudders were up. Also, I speculated that this rudder
                                                  > flatspot
                                                  > > > > would
                                                  > > > > > create the localized higher water pressure that would force
                                                  > water
                                                  > > > > up
                                                  > > > > > the rudder pockets as that only happened to me when I was
                                                  > > > motoring
                                                  > > > > > with the rudders up. I have since drilled the holes in the
                                                  > > > transom
                                                  > > > > > to alleviate this problem and my bilge has been dry from this
                                                  >
                                                  > > > point
                                                  > > > > > on. Anyhow, I decided to grind this rudder flatspot down to
                                                  > > > > produce
                                                  > > > > > a much more hydrodynamic shape using my $14.99 Harbor Freight
                                                  >
                                                  > 4"
                                                  > > > > > electric grinder (that was the best spent money on a tool I
                                                  > have
                                                  > > > > ever
                                                  > > > > > done!). When I was motoring over to Catalina this past
                                                  > weekend,
                                                  > > > I
                                                  > > > > > notice a much more streamline water pattern around this area
                                                  > and
                                                  > > > > was
                                                  > > > > > pretty satisfied with the results. Since I had about 300lbs
                                                  > of
                                                  > > > > gear
                                                  > > > > > on board at thsi time, I can't say this help my top speed at
                                                  > at
                                                  > > > > this
                                                  > > > > > point. If it did, it only might be slightly better.
                                                  > However,
                                                  > > > I'm
                                                  > > > > > pretty sure it wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else done this and
                                                  > > > > noticed
                                                  > > > > > any benefits?
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > Henry, I also put an extra length "S" bends into my 1/2" sink
                                                  >
                                                  > > > drain
                                                  > > > > > line to help prevent any seawater from backing into the
                                                  > drain.
                                                  > > > It
                                                  > > > > > looks like it works pretty well as I haven't seen any
                                                  > evidence of
                                                  > > > > > wetness in the sink after some good heeling moments. The
                                                  > only
                                                  > > > > thing
                                                  >
                                                  === message truncated ===
                                                • Henry Ning
                                                  Chris Hmmm, that s interesting, so you didn t have a factory pre-drilled hole in the transom just above each rudder? You know, I find it difficult enough as it
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , Aug 24, 2005
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                                                    Chris

                                                    Hmmm, that's interesting, so you didn't have a factory pre-drilled
                                                    hole in the transom just above each rudder?

                                                    You know, I find it difficult enough as it is to setup and raise the
                                                    mast on land, I couldn't imagine having to do it out on the water.
                                                    Just out of curiosity, have you tried it yet (on the water)? You are
                                                    definitely right about the 45 minutes time saving... if I want to get
                                                    out on the water (espescially after work), I want to be underway
                                                    quickly.

                                                    My boat does have full steering capability with the motor so I don't
                                                    think not have the rudders will be an issue. I admit that it is
                                                    easier to dock with the rudders since without them in order to steer
                                                    you have to turn the motor and then give a little gas (going quickly
                                                    from neutral into gear and back to neutral is usually enough). I have
                                                    master the art of docking on my previous 23ft powerboat, so the
                                                    smaller M19 is a piece of cake (even without using the rudders). Heh
                                                    heh, I can still remember the first month when we got the powerboat,
                                                    my stomach would be in knots each time we venture out knowing that
                                                    eventually we had to come back and have to attempt to dock... I sure
                                                    provided some laughs to the marina. :-)

                                                    Regards,
                                                    Henry

                                                    --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <cbhinkel2@c...>
                                                    wrote:
                                                    > Henry,
                                                    >
                                                    > I eyeballed a couple of pictures in the photos section and went
                                                    from
                                                    > there to drill the holes in the transom. I don't know about other
                                                    > people's boats, but my rudder pockets in my 1992 Mac19 end halfway
                                                    up
                                                    > the transom. The holes I drilled are about 4-6" below the top lip
                                                    of
                                                    > the rudder pockets.
                                                    >
                                                    > And like you, I only sail a small fraction of the time when I use
                                                    my
                                                    > Mac19. This is one of the big reasons why I bought this boat as I
                                                    > mostly keep my mast stowed in the cabin vs. with my old 26X I had
                                                    to
                                                    > always rig the boat. The difference here is I can pull into the
                                                    ramp
                                                    > area and directly launch my Mac19 vs about the 45 minutes of time
                                                    to
                                                    > rig/de-rig my 26X with its roller furling. Going fishing or just
                                                    > doing the boat camping thing has been much more enjoyable.
                                                    >
                                                    > IMHO, I would be hesitant to remove the rudders all together,
                                                    > especially if your outboard motor doesn't have full steering
                                                    > capabilities. Even when the rudders are up, they still have quite
                                                    a
                                                    > bit of steering force. You just can't use them at higher speeds or
                                                    > put too much force on the tiller. Also, you can only back up at
                                                    idle
                                                    > speeds. Overall, I'm pretty happy with how my slow speed steering
                                                    > system works now with the centerboard fully down, the rudders being
                                                    > up (and them not providing any undo drag when motoring fast). This
                                                    > is especially important for when you are trying to tie yourself up
                                                    to
                                                    > string line at Catalina between two boats only 16ft apart. I was
                                                    > able to do that for the first time all by myself this past weekend
                                                    > with little apprehension to bump into my new temporary
                                                    neighbors. :>)
                                                    >
                                                    > -Chris
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Ning"
                                                    > <henry.ning@s...> wrote:
                                                    > > Chris
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Great ideal. Let's see pictures. BTW, where did you drill holes
                                                    in
                                                    > > the transom?
                                                    > >
                                                    > > I've been thinking of removing my rudders altogether, along with
                                                    > the
                                                    > > crossbars and the tiller. Lately we haven't been sailing that
                                                    much
                                                    > > anyway... and now that we don't have a slip anymore, it's a
                                                    hassle
                                                    > > having to put the mast up and down.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Regards,
                                                    > > Henry
                                                    > >
                                                    > > --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, "Chris"
                                                    > <cbhinkel2@c...>
                                                    > > wrote:
                                                    > > > In the pursuit of the highest possible motoring speed that I
                                                    > could
                                                    > > > wring out of my Mac19, I thought I would try a a subtle
                                                    > > modification
                                                    > > > to the rudders. In the past, when I motoring quickly, I would
                                                    > > notice
                                                    > > > alot of backspray that was splashing onto the transom from the
                                                    > > front-
                                                    > > > top-flat portion of the rudder that was still in the water when
                                                    > the
                                                    > > > rudders were up. Also, I speculated that this rudder flatspot
                                                    > > would
                                                    > > > create the localized higher water pressure that would force
                                                    water
                                                    > > up
                                                    > > > the rudder pockets as that only happened to me when I was
                                                    > motoring
                                                    > > > with the rudders up. I have since drilled the holes in the
                                                    > transom
                                                    > > > to alleviate this problem and my bilge has been dry from this
                                                    > point
                                                    > > > on. Anyhow, I decided to grind this rudder flatspot down to
                                                    > > produce
                                                    > > > a much more hydrodynamic shape using my $14.99 Harbor Freight
                                                    4"
                                                    > > > electric grinder (that was the best spent money on a tool I
                                                    have
                                                    > > ever
                                                    > > > done!). When I was motoring over to Catalina this past
                                                    weekend,
                                                    > I
                                                    > > > notice a much more streamline water pattern around this area
                                                    and
                                                    > > was
                                                    > > > pretty satisfied with the results. Since I had about 300lbs of
                                                    > > gear
                                                    > > > on board at thsi time, I can't say this help my top speed at at
                                                    > > this
                                                    > > > point. If it did, it only might be slightly better. However,
                                                    > I'm
                                                    > > > pretty sure it wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else done this and
                                                    > > noticed
                                                    > > > any benefits?
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Henry, I also put an extra length "S" bends into my 1/2" sink
                                                    > drain
                                                    > > > line to help prevent any seawater from backing into the drain.
                                                    > It
                                                    > > > looks like it works pretty well as I haven't seen any evidence
                                                    of
                                                    > > > wetness in the sink after some good heeling moments. The only
                                                    > > thing
                                                    > > > about doing this is you need have a sufficient amount of water
                                                    > (ie
                                                    > > at
                                                    > > > least a cup's amount )in the sink to get the drain to start
                                                    > > working.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > -Chris
                                                  • mike fortuna
                                                    I ve tried several over the counter drugs, the bands and even an expensive wristwatch that shocked you (VERY unpleasant) and none worked as well as just taking
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                                                      I've tried several over the counter drugs, the bands
                                                      and even an expensive wristwatch that shocked you
                                                      (VERY unpleasant) and none worked as well as just
                                                      taking about 1/2 teaspoon of powdered Ginger washed
                                                      down with some liquid. Even helps AFTER you start
                                                      getting seasick, cheap and no side effects. Worth a
                                                      try. Haven't tried the scopolomine patches worn near
                                                      the ear but I imagine they have side effects. Mike



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                                                    • eo_ant
                                                      Perhaps a more agreeable way of taking ginger are ginger snap cookies. Trader Joes sells a triple ginger snap that contains 3 forms of ginger. Eric
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                                                        Perhaps a more agreeable way of taking ginger are ginger snap cookies.
                                                        Trader Joes sells a triple ginger snap that contains 3 forms of ginger.

                                                        Eric


                                                        --- In macgregor19sailboats@yahoogroups.com, mike fortuna
                                                        <angelwilliams69@y...> wrote:
                                                        > I've tried several over the counter drugs, the bands
                                                        > and even an expensive wristwatch that shocked you
                                                        > (VERY unpleasant) and none worked as well as just
                                                        > taking about 1/2 teaspoon of powdered Ginger washed
                                                        > down with some liquid. Even helps AFTER you start
                                                        > getting seasick, cheap and no side effects. Worth a
                                                        > try. Haven't tried the scopolomine patches worn near
                                                        > the ear but I imagine they have side effects. Mike
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
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