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Re: [lxx] New and Just a Beginner--Ps 40:6 and Heb 10:5+6

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  • Steve Puluka
    on 7/12/03 7:01 AM, Steve Puluka at spuluka@hotmail.com wrote: Rahlfs is a critical text. He places into the main text that which he thinks is most likely
    Message 1 of 11 , Jul 13, 2003
      Re: [lxx] New and Just a Beginner--Ps 40:6 and Heb 10:5+6 on 7/12/03 7:01 AM, Steve Puluka at spuluka@... wrote:

      Rahlfs is a critical text.  He places into  the main text that which he thinks is most likely  original.  His apparatus presents the alternative readings and their manuscript support.  For this variant he gives the following notes:

      swma is in Vatincanus, Synaticus & Alexandrinus
      wtia is in Colberto-Sarravianus**** Correction Psalterium Gallicanum

      Rahlf takes wtia over swma for his choice of the "original" text.

      My apologies to the group, but I made a mistake on which manuscript supports the wtia reading in Psalm 46.  It is the Gallic Psalter VERSION, NOT the Greek manuscript of Colberto-Sarravianus.  I misread the apparatus.

      Sorry for the error.

      --
      Steve Puluka
      Master's Student
      SS Cyril & Methodius Seminary
      Pittsburgh, PA
      http://www.geocities.com/spuluka
    • B J BOLAND
      About 200 years ago Adam Clarke in his commentary on Ps 40.6 quoted a Dr Kennicott as suggesting that the present Hebrew text is corrupted in the word oznayim
      Message 2 of 11 , Jul 15, 2003
         
        About 200 years ago  Adam Clarke in his commentary on Ps 40.6 quoted a Dr Kennicott as suggesting that the present Hebrew text is corrupted in the word oznayim "ears" which had been written through carelessness for azgevah. "then a body". Has this suggestion any merits to explain the LXX reading  ?

        [brian j boland] 
        Halifax UK
         
         
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        Subject: [lxx]Ps 40:6 and Heb 10:5+6

        Greetings.

        I am new here, and just beginning to try to understand
        the history of the Bible.  In my research, I have come across
        mention of the Septuagint.  I was trying to find out why
        the wording of Psalm 40:6 and the reference to it in Hebrews
        10:5+6 are so different.  "But my ears you have opened" being
        changed to "But a body you have prepared for me."
        --J







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      • Sigrid Peterson
        ears you have dug for me makes very little sense where it is in the psalm; as 40:7b, sandwiched between 40:7a and 40:7c, which are both about the
        Message 3 of 11 , Jul 15, 2003
          "ears you have dug for me" makes very little sense where it is in the
          psalm; as 40:7b, sandwiched between 40:7a and 40:7c, which are both
          about the needlessness of sacrifices. As a phrase, though, it does make sense,
          where the substitution )ZGVH, "azgvah" for )ZNYM does not make much
          sense, because another word has to be changed also. That is KRYT, "dug."

          The Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew-English Dictionary suggests that the
          meaning of the phrase is something like "You have opened my ears to Your
          Word." Briggs and his daughter collaborated on a commentary on Psalms
          which is worth checking.

          It is possible that "body" is not a purely motivated substitution,
          adding a theological proof where there was none, for ideological
          reasons (re the Hebrews 10 usage). Since "ears" would make little sense
          in another language, a translator or re-translator may have looked to
          the preceding verse, 40:6 and found, in the last phrase, the word (CMW,
          'tzmu, which in the context of the line means "many," but which can also
          mean "body" (by extension from 'bones' > 'skeleton' > 'self.'

          I'm at a loss for the rationale used in substituting "body" SOMA at
          40:7c, though, unless 40:6e and f were also rewritten, and I don't have
          an OG translation handy to check.

          Sigrid Peterson petersig@...


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          > About 200 years ago Adam Clarke in his commentary on Ps 40.6 quoted a Dr
          > Kennicott as suggesting that the present Hebrew text is corrupted in the
          > word oznayim "ears" which had been written through carelessness for azgevah.
          > "then a body". Has this suggestion any merits to explain the LXX reading ?
          >
          > [brian j boland]
          > Halifax UK
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          > Sent: 10 July 2003 19:16
          > To: lxx@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [lxx]Ps 40:6 and Heb 10:5+6
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          > Greetings.
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          > I am new here, and just beginning to try to understand
          > the history of the Bible. In my research, I have come across
          > mention of the Septuagint. I was trying to find out why
          > the wording of Psalm 40:6 and the reference to it in Hebrews
          > 10:5+6 are so different. "But my ears you have opened" being
          > changed to "But a body you have prepared for me."
          > --J
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          > beginning to try to understand <BR>the history of the Bible.  In my
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          > find out why <BR>the wording of Psalm 40:6 and the reference to it in Hebrews
          > <BR>10:5+6 are so different.  "But my ears you have opened" being
          > <BR>changed to "But a body you have prepared for
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