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3845Re: [lxx] Re: Philo of Alexandria and Josephus' comments on the Septuagint(any?)

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  • mike karoules
    Oct 23, 2012
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      To Robert Kraft;
      Thanks for your response,  Robert.  I didn't even think of to bring up Aristeas' letter in the first post to this thread  because to my understanding the general consensus among textual students and scholars is that it is spurious, or more-less a forgery.  So I have not taken that into consideration.   Actually,  I was under the impression that all the extant works of Justin (and also Justin's Discourse to the Greeks) but that the letter of Aristeas is spurious.
      I have not heard of Melito of Sardis so I may have to check him out.  Is he a Greek writer?
      I realize the the Old Greek Septuagint was,  for the most part,  never collected together as a single unit (as such) but was translated into Greek from the Hebrew over a period of a number of years or probably a number of decades.
      Do you know right off hand where in Josephus he elaborates on the work of translation of Hebrew OT into Greek?  Does he talk about its distribution as well , if you recall?
      You mentioned something to the nature of Justin being in Asia Minor.   You know that he was raised in Samaria, no?
      Thank you Robert for your input and time into this question that I have.
      Take care
      Mike Karoules

      --- On Tue, 10/23/12, Robert Kraft <kraft@...> wrote:

      From: Robert Kraft <kraft@...>
      Subject: Re: [lxx] Re: Philo of Alexandria and Josephus' comments on the Septuagint(any?)
      To: lxx@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 12:59 AM


      I'm surprised that you have not yet received any responses. People must
      be busy with other things these days. Your question, which relates
      especially to the translation of the Pentateuch ("the LXX" proper) is
      easily answered if you would consult literature on the "Epistle of
      Aristeas" (check it in a search engine), which tells the old story that
      gets picked up in varying forms by other writers such as Philo,
      Josephus, Justin, et al. Incidentally, the Discourse to the Greeks
      attributed to Justin is usually considered to be spurious, although that
      does not make it irrelevant for your questions. On the use of Greek
      translations of the various portions of the collection that came to be
      considered Jewish scriptures, you should also look closely at the works
      of Melito of Sardis, in Asia Minor, at the end of the 2nd century.
      Justin himself (perhaps also in Asia Minor) knows a Greek translation of
      the Minor Prophets scroll which was not the same as the translation
      later included in Greek Jewish scriptures, but of which fragments have
      been found in the Judean Desert finds (at Nahal Hever; see the edition
      by Emanuel Tov). The question is complicated especially by the
      assumption that some single unit (like a modern codex book) called "the
      Septuagint" existed in the first and second centuries of the common era.
      There was no coordinated translation effort that covered everything that
      by the 4th century would be considered Greek Jewish scriptures, but
      various translations of various scripturesque writings were produced and
      later gathered together.

      Bob Kraft, emeritus professor University of Pennsylvania

      On 10/22/2012 4:42 PM, mikek wrote:
      > I would like to piggy back on my own thread and expand this question. So, not only Philo and Josephus, but does anyone have any knowledge of any of the Ante-Nicene writers comments on about the Greek translation of the Old Testament (LXX) and its' DISTRIBUTION AND USE OUTSIDE OF ALEXANDRIA? Where may I find these comments?
      > Take care everyone.
      > Kindly,
      > Mike Karoules
      > --- In lxx@yahoogroups.com, mike karoules <steelcurtain40@...> wrote:
      >> Hello folks. another topic to begin I hope.
      >> I have just read some Justin Martyr's works and some comments he made about the translation of the Septuagint that he apparantly used during his day. See Dialogue with Trypho the Jew (chapters 69-73, approximately; Apology chapter 21 [I believe, or thereabouts] and Justin's Discourse to the Greeks, ch. 13]: Early Christian Texts). It was on Justin's "Discourse to the Greeks" where he alluded to the fact that Philo of Alexandria and Josephus also wrote a bit (or some) how the Greek Septuagint was formed. So, can anyone tell me where (with Philo) he mentions how or summerizes how the GREEK Septuagint was formed and if he also mentions to what extent the GREEK Septuagint was distributed or scattered throughout the Roman Empire? With Josephus too, can anyone tell me where in their works (in their literature) where they discuss the GREEK Septuagint and its distribution to other locations OUTSIDE OF
      >> ALEXANDRIA?
      >> I ask this because, in reading the few places where Justin talks about the Greek (LXX) Septuagint (its history[briefly]) he does not seem to really cover its distribution outside of ALEXANDRIA. So, I am looking for any material that mentions the DISTRIBUTION of the Greek Septuagint (COPIES THAT WERE MADE ABROAD) OUTSIDE THE CITY OF ALEXANDRIA after its translation.
      >> To what degree did the Jews use the Greek LXX(outside of Alexandria) after it was translated??
      >> Tks for any feedback on this.
      >> Kindly,
      >> Mike Karoules
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