3541RE: [lxx] Re: Amen
- Dec 13, 2010Good point, Price!
From the way the Chronicler put together the Psalms, having Psalms 96(95): 12: "The field rejoices and everything in it; all the trees of the forest sing out" precede 106(105):48: "'Bless the Lord forever and ever!' And all the people said, 'Amen! Praise the Lord!'" it would seem that "Amen" concludes a song - namely that of the trees of the forest - and not a prayer. The people responded to the final sentence of the sylvan song: "Bless the Lord!" with "Amen!" Deut 27:15 suggests that the trees cried out - and not in the way of blessing - as they were being cut down: "'Cursed is the man who will make an idol!' ... And all the people said, 'Amen!'" To understand how trees were cultivated for the manufacture of idols, see Isaiah 44:13-15. You've got to know Hebrew to understand the dual meaning of אמונתו "His faithfulness/his handiwork" in 96(95):13. If you read the final two words - ועמים באמונתו "and peoples in His faithfulness" as ועצים באמונתו "and treees in his craftmanship" you can see how the judgment mentioned there is not a blessing but a curse. The trees were destined to be cursed for their role in the manufacture of idols. The fig tree of Mat 21:19-20 took the curse on himself.
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 03:02:57 +0000
Subject: [lxx] Re: Amen
The use of amen in the Psalms seemed to be in a different way than concluding a prayer, as when it occurs with an expression of praise to the Lord (10 times). "Amen" is used after a baruch (praise) formula by the person speaking the formula (Ps 41:14; 72:19; 89:53) as well as all those who hear it (Ps 106:48; 1 Chron. 16:36; Neh 8:6). This type of praise-formula has a standard structure and always begins with the word Baruch: translated as "Blessed/Praised be....."
--- In email@example.com, David James <Jamesdm49@...> wrote:
> You don't make any reference to the Psalms, and I don't know Hebrew.
> However, if, as you assert, "Amen" is never used in the OT to conclude a
> prayer, what is the Hebrew word used in the concluding verses of Psalms 40,
> 71, 88 and 105 (LXX numbering)?
> David James
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:59 PM, TOUJOURSPREST <toujoursprest@...>wrote:
> > I would appreciate help on the source of the word amen.
> > The Hebrew word amen derives from the Hebrew 'a-mán, the primitive
> > triliteral root is '-m-n . This triliteral root means to be firm, confirmed,
> > reliable, faithful, have faith, believe. Grammarians list "amen" in Hebrew
> > under its three consonants ('-m-n = aleph-mem-nun) The Hebrew letter ' aleph
> > originally represented a glottal stop sound, which functioned as a
> > consonant.
> > I find two ways it is apparently not used in the Old Testament. First,
> > "amen" is never used to conclude a prayer ...
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