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  • jonasallesson
    I was just being provocative. I love TMP2. It s a work of genius. But LUF in its current state is stagnated. I hope you can revitalize it. Jonas
    Message 1 of 39 , Feb 7, 2013
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      I was just being provocative. I love TMP2. It's a work of genius. But LUF in its current state is stagnated. I hope you can revitalize it.

      Jonas

      --- In luf-team@yahoogroups.com, Tarik Carr wrote:
      >
      > btw RE: to disbanding..I'm sure anyone is always free to leave at their own discretion, I don't think there will be any legal complications if anyone simply stop posting or unsubscribe..there are many forums that I'm a member of that are center around outdated abandonware games etc that are still alive with enthusiests so I think if they can do it perhaps wasting their lifetime then so can we. You put all your time energy hopes and dreams and eggs into something, thats up to the individual, and I hope we can all participate in a healthy way, and there will eventually likely be formal need to "streamline" the participation levels of some members on occasion just to keep things from becoming cultish and weird, or dangerous as with any notable movement/organization, but in the meantime I like this group and what it represents. We are truly a multifaceted and obviously talented/intelligent visionary collection of humans, Some of whom I'm sure have formed
      > lifelong friendships founded on the merit of TMP and TMP2..with that said Jonas I'm not saying you can't throw your official decommission ceremony and party and have a good time, just don't be surpised, that even if everyone here attends it and has a good time acomplete with emotional and moving speeches, don't be surprised if within 24 hrs were all back here back to business as usual..I think theres only one person who has the power to shut down LUF-team, I'm not sure who, I believe its Eric Hunting..As for TMP2 it might be more comlicated than one person, but even if both fall through..and close up for good I doubt it would stop the TMP movement in general. Most likely it would just spawn a new less robust spin-off. For myself and I believe most of us here came pursuing ways to participate int the goals of FMF and LUF on the merit of the IDEAS in the book most of us have read, not in pursuit of the author or even the specific institutions founded by
      > the author as outlined by the book itself. That is self evident in the reality that the author and many if not most of the original founders have all seemingly washed their hands of the efforts, yet they continue, Its because too many of the IDEAS are sound and resonate with visionaries..so maybe in the end we will be considered just a glorified book club..IDK w/e..it is what it is, and it will become what we make of it, so long as we are in the same group. DO feel free to start fresh and if it turns out to be more robust I'm sure others from here will join you and further your efforts if you allow them..but in thte meantime don't expect much in the way of disbanding TMP2, you'll definitely need help from the most committed of our team..and I don't really see that happening at this time. I'm not sure what you hope to gain from that though. If you need help with a crew for a project just email your most likely candidates and see what they can offer, or
      > perhaps they can refer you to someone who can assist, there's no need to disband TMP2 to pursue any new or related goal.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: Joshua Babb
      > To: luf-team@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:27 PM
      > Subject: Re: [luf-team] Re: A motion to the board of directors
      >
      >
      >  
      > There is a whole lot that needs to be done and that we can do.  There's so much to do -- and that can be done without expertise -- that it's bogging me down on my (mostly silent) side of this endeavor.  I have a small team working with me, but even so...
      >
      > If you want to take a step forward that can have zero monetary cost, start raising worms.  It might sound silly, but we need research into their growth and reproduction: a reliable base stock of worms can serve as a trophic ecosystem for higher-order species such as fish, which could in turn nourish plants, etc. etc., which as a biocultural system could be a modest source of funding besides qualifying us to use international waters under Part XIII of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
      >
      > I lack time.  I'm a full-time engineering student in a military academy.  Let me reiterate: if you want to help then there's much that can be done without large capital investment except for time.
      >
      >
      > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Chad Lupkes wrote:
      >
      >
      > > 
      > >We can regroup without starting from scratch.  And I frankly don't have money, so it's not just something I tell myself as an excuse. :)
      > >
      > >
      > >I hear your frustration, Jonas.  I share it.  But until one of us wins the PowerBall Lottery, there's not a whole lot we can do.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM, jonasallesson wrote:
      > >
      > >I have said nothing of giving up! Regrouping is more like it!
      > >>
      > >>And there are a bunch of things in TMP2 that we can start doing without money. I'm more and more thinking the "we need money" thing, as well as the "we need art" thing, are things we tell ourselves to feel better about our inaction / lack of skills / lack of ambition / fear of failure.
      > >>
      > >>Jonas
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>--- In luf-team@yahoogroups.com, Chad Lupkes wrote:
      > >>>
      > >>> Jonas, what the LUF is lacking is resources.  None of us have the money to
      > >>> do anything with TMP or TMP2.
      > >>>
      > >>> When Eric stops posting, then we'll see where we are.  But he's the core
      > >>> genius behind TMP2, and I'm here to support him more than anything else.
      > >>>  And the Investment plan we have will work, as soon as one of us has the
      > >>> time to figure out how to make it happen.
      > >>>
      > >>> I'm not giving up.  No to dis-assembly.
      > >>>
      > >>> Chad
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:28 AM, jonasallesson wrote:
      > >>
      > >>>
      > >>> > Let me ask you this. What has the LUF done, since SEE failed, to advance
      > >>> > The Millennial Project? What is the LUF doing now to advance it? I'm not
      > >>> > talking about our individual projects or plans, but of the organization,
      > >>> > and how it specifically helps. Well, it doesn't. It serves as a place to
      > >>> > post updates about our own works, a place for insane flame wars, and the
      > >>> > occasional building of a paper tiger, like in 2011. But the LUF has
      > >>> > achieved nothing as an entity in its past five or more years. Just kill it
      > >>> > and let's build something new, something that works for us, instead of
      > >>> > wishing for a miracle.
      > >>> >
      > >>> > TMP2 is a work of genius. But it needs something genial to bring it to
      > >>> > manifestation - not a ghost of something someone once dreamed.
      > >>> >
      > >>> > J
      > >>> >
      > >>
      > >>> > --- In luf-team@yahoogroups.com, Edward Nash wrote:
      > >>> > >
      > >>> > > No.
      > >>> > >
      > >>> > > The LUF and TMP2 are too good to abandon. Some way, some how, we will
      > >>> > find what we need to jump start it.
      > >>> > >
      > >>> > > While some of what TMP2 has in it is being started by others (eg. Elon
      > >>> > Musks' plan to leverage SpaceX to found a Mars colony), they are piecemeal.
      > >>> > We are the only people with an integrated plan to get us 'out there' on a
      > >>> > large scale. As a community, not just a handful of explorers or company
      > >>> > employees.
      > >>> > >
      > >>> > > I'm considering the possibility that a nearby town might have enough of
      > >>> > a population to support the creation of a Hackerspace/Makerspace. If so,
      > >>> > some who join might have an interest in pursuing the technologies that TMP2
      > >>> > needs even if they are not personally interested in the LUF and its' goals.
      > >>> > Even if not, some may know of others, etc. I want to pursue the creation of
      > >>> > the robotics technology, at least to a homebrew demo of its' potential.
      > >>> > Also, some may know of people who can do 3D CAD modeling. My point is to
      > >>> > try networking of people in my area.
      > >>> > >
      > >>> > > So, no to dissolving the LUF.
      > >>> > >
      > >>> > >
      > >>
      > >>> > > On Dec 4, 2012, at 5:46 PM, jonasallesson wrote:
      > >>> > >
      > >>> > > > I motion that:
      > >>> > > >
      > >>> > > > On the 20th of December, the 20th anniversary of the founding of FMF,
      > >>> > the Living Universe Foundation be officially disbanded and its Internet
      > >>> > forums shut down. The poor thing has been on life support long enough. It's
      > >>> > time to pull the plug. This is a great opportunity for riding us all of the
      > >>> > burden of expecting a miracle. The LUF is dead! Long live the LUF!
      > >>> > > >
      > >>> > > > Jonas
      > >>> > > >
      > >>> > > >
      > >>> > >
      > >>> >
      > >>> >
      > >>> >
      > >>> >
      > >>> > ------------------------------------
      > >>> >
      > >>
      > >>> > ______________________________________________________________________
      > >>> >
      > >>> > Don't forget to visit these LUF Sites!
      > >>> > LUF Home     http://www.luf.org/
      > >>> > LUF Team     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-team/
      > >>> > LUF Website  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-website/
      > >>> > LUF Admin    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-admin/
      > >>> > TMP 2.0      http://tmp2.wikia.com/
      > >>> > LUF Blog     http://theluf.blogspot.com/
      > >>> > OTEC News    http://www.otecnews.org/
      > >>
      > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
      > >>> >
      > >>> >
      > >>> >
      > >>> >
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>
      > >>> --
      > >>> Chad Lupkes - http://chadlupkes.blogspot.com
      > >>> ad astra per alia porci
      > >>>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > ------------------------------------
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>______________________________________________________________________
      > >>
      > >>Don't forget to visit these LUF Sites!
      > >>LUF Home     http://www.luf.org/
      > >>LUF Team     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-team/
      > >>LUF Website  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-website/
      > >>LUF Admin    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-admin/
      > >>TMP 2.0      http://tmp2.wikia.com/
      > >>LUF Blog     http://theluf.blogspot.com/
      > >>OTEC News    http://www.otecnews.org/
      > >>
      > >>Yahoo! Groups Links
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >--
      > >Chad Lupkes - http://chadlupkes.blogspot.com
      > >ad astra per alia porci
      > >
      >
    • jonasallesson
      I was just being provocative. I love TMP2. It s a work of genius. But LUF in its current state is stagnated. I hope you can revitalize it. Jonas
      Message 39 of 39 , Feb 7, 2013
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        I was just being provocative. I love TMP2. It's a work of genius. But LUF in its current state is stagnated. I hope you can revitalize it.

        Jonas

        --- In luf-team@yahoogroups.com, Tarik Carr wrote:
        >
        > btw RE: to disbanding..I'm sure anyone is always free to leave at their own discretion, I don't think there will be any legal complications if anyone simply stop posting or unsubscribe..there are many forums that I'm a member of that are center around outdated abandonware games etc that are still alive with enthusiests so I think if they can do it perhaps wasting their lifetime then so can we. You put all your time energy hopes and dreams and eggs into something, thats up to the individual, and I hope we can all participate in a healthy way, and there will eventually likely be formal need to "streamline" the participation levels of some members on occasion just to keep things from becoming cultish and weird, or dangerous as with any notable movement/organization, but in the meantime I like this group and what it represents. We are truly a multifaceted and obviously talented/intelligent visionary collection of humans, Some of whom I'm sure have formed
        > lifelong friendships founded on the merit of TMP and TMP2..with that said Jonas I'm not saying you can't throw your official decommission ceremony and party and have a good time, just don't be surpised, that even if everyone here attends it and has a good time acomplete with emotional and moving speeches, don't be surprised if within 24 hrs were all back here back to business as usual..I think theres only one person who has the power to shut down LUF-team, I'm not sure who, I believe its Eric Hunting..As for TMP2 it might be more comlicated than one person, but even if both fall through..and close up for good I doubt it would stop the TMP movement in general. Most likely it would just spawn a new less robust spin-off. For myself and I believe most of us here came pursuing ways to participate int the goals of FMF and LUF on the merit of the IDEAS in the book most of us have read, not in pursuit of the author or even the specific institutions founded by
        > the author as outlined by the book itself. That is self evident in the reality that the author and many if not most of the original founders have all seemingly washed their hands of the efforts, yet they continue, Its because too many of the IDEAS are sound and resonate with visionaries..so maybe in the end we will be considered just a glorified book club..IDK w/e..it is what it is, and it will become what we make of it, so long as we are in the same group. DO feel free to start fresh and if it turns out to be more robust I'm sure others from here will join you and further your efforts if you allow them..but in thte meantime don't expect much in the way of disbanding TMP2, you'll definitely need help from the most committed of our team..and I don't really see that happening at this time. I'm not sure what you hope to gain from that though. If you need help with a crew for a project just email your most likely candidates and see what they can offer, or
        > perhaps they can refer you to someone who can assist, there's no need to disband TMP2 to pursue any new or related goal.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: Joshua Babb
        > To: luf-team@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:27 PM
        > Subject: Re: [luf-team] Re: A motion to the board of directors
        >
        >
        >  
        > There is a whole lot that needs to be done and that we can do.  There's so much to do -- and that can be done without expertise -- that it's bogging me down on my (mostly silent) side of this endeavor.  I have a small team working with me, but even so...
        >
        > If you want to take a step forward that can have zero monetary cost, start raising worms.  It might sound silly, but we need research into their growth and reproduction: a reliable base stock of worms can serve as a trophic ecosystem for higher-order species such as fish, which could in turn nourish plants, etc. etc., which as a biocultural system could be a modest source of funding besides qualifying us to use international waters under Part XIII of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
        >
        > I lack time.  I'm a full-time engineering student in a military academy.  Let me reiterate: if you want to help then there's much that can be done without large capital investment except for time.
        >
        >
        > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Chad Lupkes wrote:
        >
        >
        > > 
        > >We can regroup without starting from scratch.  And I frankly don't have money, so it's not just something I tell myself as an excuse. :)
        > >
        > >
        > >I hear your frustration, Jonas.  I share it.  But until one of us wins the PowerBall Lottery, there's not a whole lot we can do.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM, jonasallesson wrote:
        > >
        > >I have said nothing of giving up! Regrouping is more like it!
        > >>
        > >>And there are a bunch of things in TMP2 that we can start doing without money. I'm more and more thinking the "we need money" thing, as well as the "we need art" thing, are things we tell ourselves to feel better about our inaction / lack of skills / lack of ambition / fear of failure.
        > >>
        > >>Jonas
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>--- In luf-team@yahoogroups.com, Chad Lupkes wrote:
        > >>>
        > >>> Jonas, what the LUF is lacking is resources.  None of us have the money to
        > >>> do anything with TMP or TMP2.
        > >>>
        > >>> When Eric stops posting, then we'll see where we are.  But he's the core
        > >>> genius behind TMP2, and I'm here to support him more than anything else.
        > >>>  And the Investment plan we have will work, as soon as one of us has the
        > >>> time to figure out how to make it happen.
        > >>>
        > >>> I'm not giving up.  No to dis-assembly.
        > >>>
        > >>> Chad
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:28 AM, jonasallesson wrote:
        > >>
        > >>>
        > >>> > Let me ask you this. What has the LUF done, since SEE failed, to advance
        > >>> > The Millennial Project? What is the LUF doing now to advance it? I'm not
        > >>> > talking about our individual projects or plans, but of the organization,
        > >>> > and how it specifically helps. Well, it doesn't. It serves as a place to
        > >>> > post updates about our own works, a place for insane flame wars, and the
        > >>> > occasional building of a paper tiger, like in 2011. But the LUF has
        > >>> > achieved nothing as an entity in its past five or more years. Just kill it
        > >>> > and let's build something new, something that works for us, instead of
        > >>> > wishing for a miracle.
        > >>> >
        > >>> > TMP2 is a work of genius. But it needs something genial to bring it to
        > >>> > manifestation - not a ghost of something someone once dreamed.
        > >>> >
        > >>> > J
        > >>> >
        > >>
        > >>> > --- In luf-team@yahoogroups.com, Edward Nash wrote:
        > >>> > >
        > >>> > > No.
        > >>> > >
        > >>> > > The LUF and TMP2 are too good to abandon. Some way, some how, we will
        > >>> > find what we need to jump start it.
        > >>> > >
        > >>> > > While some of what TMP2 has in it is being started by others (eg. Elon
        > >>> > Musks' plan to leverage SpaceX to found a Mars colony), they are piecemeal.
        > >>> > We are the only people with an integrated plan to get us 'out there' on a
        > >>> > large scale. As a community, not just a handful of explorers or company
        > >>> > employees.
        > >>> > >
        > >>> > > I'm considering the possibility that a nearby town might have enough of
        > >>> > a population to support the creation of a Hackerspace/Makerspace. If so,
        > >>> > some who join might have an interest in pursuing the technologies that TMP2
        > >>> > needs even if they are not personally interested in the LUF and its' goals.
        > >>> > Even if not, some may know of others, etc. I want to pursue the creation of
        > >>> > the robotics technology, at least to a homebrew demo of its' potential.
        > >>> > Also, some may know of people who can do 3D CAD modeling. My point is to
        > >>> > try networking of people in my area.
        > >>> > >
        > >>> > > So, no to dissolving the LUF.
        > >>> > >
        > >>> > >
        > >>
        > >>> > > On Dec 4, 2012, at 5:46 PM, jonasallesson wrote:
        > >>> > >
        > >>> > > > I motion that:
        > >>> > > >
        > >>> > > > On the 20th of December, the 20th anniversary of the founding of FMF,
        > >>> > the Living Universe Foundation be officially disbanded and its Internet
        > >>> > forums shut down. The poor thing has been on life support long enough. It's
        > >>> > time to pull the plug. This is a great opportunity for riding us all of the
        > >>> > burden of expecting a miracle. The LUF is dead! Long live the LUF!
        > >>> > > >
        > >>> > > > Jonas
        > >>> > > >
        > >>> > > >
        > >>> > >
        > >>> >
        > >>> >
        > >>> >
        > >>> >
        > >>> > ------------------------------------
        > >>> >
        > >>
        > >>> > ______________________________________________________________________
        > >>> >
        > >>> > Don't forget to visit these LUF Sites!
        > >>> > LUF Home     http://www.luf.org/
        > >>> > LUF Team     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-team/
        > >>> > LUF Website  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-website/
        > >>> > LUF Admin    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-admin/
        > >>> > TMP 2.0      http://tmp2.wikia.com/
        > >>> > LUF Blog     http://theluf.blogspot.com/
        > >>> > OTEC News    http://www.otecnews.org/
        > >>
        > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
        > >>> >
        > >>> >
        > >>> >
        > >>> >
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >>
        > >>> --
        > >>> Chad Lupkes - http://chadlupkes.blogspot.com
        > >>> ad astra per alia porci
        > >>>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > ------------------------------------
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>______________________________________________________________________
        > >>
        > >>Don't forget to visit these LUF Sites!
        > >>LUF Home     http://www.luf.org/
        > >>LUF Team     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-team/
        > >>LUF Website  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-website/
        > >>LUF Admin    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-admin/
        > >>TMP 2.0      http://tmp2.wikia.com/
        > >>LUF Blog     http://theluf.blogspot.com/
        > >>OTEC News    http://www.otecnews.org/
        > >>
        > >>Yahoo! Groups Links
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >--
        > >Chad Lupkes - http://chadlupkes.blogspot.com
        > >ad astra per alia porci
        > >
        >
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