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  • Joseph Kexel
    Okay, Kevin, Right now! Make the case that the United States will fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force against Israel equals force against the US. Why
    Message 1 of 30 , Jun 3, 2007
      Okay, Kevin,

      Right now! Make the case that the United States will
      fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force against
      Israel equals force against the US.

      Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
      support in its creation?

      What are the specific reasons we should support
      Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
      destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to say,
      "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"

      I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
      should be no limit to the risks we should endure to
      maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
      your argument.

      Simply, I feel that the United States comes first, as
      long as we do not use force against others. When
      attacked we should respond with a Declaration of War
      and with all the force required to remove 100% of the
      threat. Nation building after the fact is something we
      do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are left
      as a pile of ash, there will be no need to rebuild. I
      am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only unbridled
      defense. Few nations are capable or eager to destroy
      the US. The terrorist organizations which desire it
      are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
      reasonable list of complaints.

      It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
      while promoting endless US intervention throughout the
      world against these few groups.




      --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:

      > You do sound callous. My point is that when force
      > is applied to us and our interests we need to
      > respond.
      >
      > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make things
      > worse 20-30 years down the road.
      >
      > Kevin S.
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Joseph Kexel
      > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
      > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
      >
      >
      > The response should be Israeli, not American. What
      > part of sovereignty do you not understand? Israel
      > has
      > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
      > Why
      > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
      > escalate
      > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
      > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
      > nuclear
      > winter?
      >
      > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
      > support
      > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest? We
      > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate to
      > support a nation who after taking Arab land
      > refuses to
      > negotiate?
      >
      > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should act
      > like
      > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
      >
      > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
      > compromise for a renewed peace?
      >
      > Iran = EVIL
      > Israel = GOOD
      >
      > I only wish it was so simple.
      >
      > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
      > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
      > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
      > survival before risking it all over allies which
      > do
      > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
      >
      > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
      >
      > It is time to bring our troops home and to end all
      > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
      > others to
      > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer the
      > same to them.
      >
      > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
      > response to our declaration they are evil and
      > invading
      > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
      > back
      > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
      > bubble,
      > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
      > logically
      > to the threat of an advancing empire.
      >
      > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:
      >
      > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
      > Israel
      > > again today.
      > >
      > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
      > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
      > >
      > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
      > U.S.
      > > response?
      > >
      > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
      > Holocost is
      > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
      > > observers?
      > >
      > > Just curious.
      > >
      > > Kevin S.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
      > > removed]
      > >
      > >
      >
      > Joe Kexel
      >
      >
      >
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      >


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    • Kevin Scheunemann
      Sure it was a foolish decision. But we need to deal with the decision. Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to fulfill Hitler s dream 65 years
      Message 2 of 30 , Jun 3, 2007
        Sure it was a foolish decision.

        But we need to deal with the decision.

        Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to flourish. We could do the same with I'manutjob.

        What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an interest in survival. If I'm jewish and interested in not being exterminated by hate mongering Islamic Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?

        Kevin S.
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Joseph Kexel
        To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
        Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president


        Okay, Kevin,

        Right now! Make the case that the United States will
        fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force against
        Israel equals force against the US.

        Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
        support in its creation?

        What are the specific reasons we should support
        Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
        destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to say,
        "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"

        I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
        should be no limit to the risks we should endure to
        maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
        your argument.

        Simply, I feel that the United States comes first, as
        long as we do not use force against others. When
        attacked we should respond with a Declaration of War
        and with all the force required to remove 100% of the
        threat. Nation building after the fact is something we
        do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are left
        as a pile of ash, there will be no need to rebuild. I
        am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only unbridled
        defense. Few nations are capable or eager to destroy
        the US. The terrorist organizations which desire it
        are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
        reasonable list of complaints.

        It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
        while promoting endless US intervention throughout the
        world against these few groups.

        --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:

        > You do sound callous. My point is that when force
        > is applied to us and our interests we need to
        > respond.
        >
        > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make things
        > worse 20-30 years down the road.
        >
        > Kevin S.
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: Joseph Kexel
        > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
        > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
        >
        >
        > The response should be Israeli, not American. What
        > part of sovereignty do you not understand? Israel
        > has
        > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
        > Why
        > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
        > escalate
        > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
        > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
        > nuclear
        > winter?
        >
        > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
        > support
        > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest? We
        > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate to
        > support a nation who after taking Arab land
        > refuses to
        > negotiate?
        >
        > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should act
        > like
        > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
        >
        > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
        > compromise for a renewed peace?
        >
        > Iran = EVIL
        > Israel = GOOD
        >
        > I only wish it was so simple.
        >
        > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
        > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
        > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
        > survival before risking it all over allies which
        > do
        > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
        >
        > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
        >
        > It is time to bring our troops home and to end all
        > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
        > others to
        > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer the
        > same to them.
        >
        > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
        > response to our declaration they are evil and
        > invading
        > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
        > back
        > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
        > bubble,
        > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
        > logically
        > to the threat of an advancing empire.
        >
        > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:
        >
        > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
        > Israel
        > > again today.
        > >
        > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
        > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
        > >
        > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
        > U.S.
        > > response?
        > >
        > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
        > Holocost is
        > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
        > > observers?
        > >
        > > Just curious.
        > >
        > > Kevin S.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
        > > removed]
        > >
        > >
        >
        > Joe Kexel
        >
        >
        >
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        >

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      • Joseph Kexel
        What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with this? Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low blow! My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws,
        Message 3 of 30 , Jun 3, 2007
          What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with this?
          Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low blow!

          My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws, but
          please answer why we should risk America over Israel?

          You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
          foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept that
          and move onto preserving America?

          Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland in
          Palestine, a location without such a state for
          thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously all
          over the world and they do just that. Why must we
          support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
          Israel? It is that very notion which has festered so
          much hate for the US throughout the middle east.

          I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little that
          makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel above
          the needs of our own nation.

          If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to figure
          out how to make a lasting peace. It may require giving
          back land. If, they are not willing to do that, why
          must we stand beside them taking the terrorists' heat?


          --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:

          > Sure it was a foolish decision.
          >
          > But we need to deal with the decision.
          >
          > Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to
          > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men
          > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to flourish.
          > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
          >
          > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
          > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and interested
          > in not being exterminated by hate mongering Islamic
          > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
          >
          > Kevin S.
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Joseph Kexel
          > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
          > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
          >
          >
          > Okay, Kevin,
          >
          > Right now! Make the case that the United States
          > will
          > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
          > against
          > Israel equals force against the US.
          >
          > Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
          > support in its creation?
          >
          > What are the specific reasons we should support
          > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
          > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to
          > say,
          > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"
          >
          > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
          > should be no limit to the risks we should endure
          > to
          > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
          > your argument.
          >
          > Simply, I feel that the United States comes first,
          > as
          > long as we do not use force against others. When
          > attacked we should respond with a Declaration of
          > War
          > and with all the force required to remove 100% of
          > the
          > threat. Nation building after the fact is
          > something we
          > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are
          > left
          > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
          > rebuild. I
          > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
          > unbridled
          > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
          > destroy
          > the US. The terrorist organizations which desire
          > it
          > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
          > reasonable list of complaints.
          >
          > It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
          > while promoting endless US intervention throughout
          > the
          > world against these few groups.
          >
          > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...>
          > wrote:
          >
          > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
          > force
          > > is applied to us and our interests we need to
          > > respond.
          > >
          > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
          > things
          > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
          > >
          > > Kevin S.
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: Joseph Kexel
          > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
          > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
          > >
          > >
          > > The response should be Israeli, not American.
          > What
          > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
          > Israel
          > > has
          > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
          > > Why
          > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
          > > escalate
          > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
          > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
          > > nuclear
          > > winter?
          > >
          > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
          > > support
          > > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest?
          > We
          > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate
          > to
          > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
          > > refuses to
          > > negotiate?
          > >
          > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should
          > act
          > > like
          > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
          > >
          > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
          > > compromise for a renewed peace?
          > >
          > > Iran = EVIL
          > > Israel = GOOD
          > >
          > > I only wish it was so simple.
          > >
          > > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
          > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
          > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
          > > survival before risking it all over allies which
          > > do
          > > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
          > >
          > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
          > >
          > > It is time to bring our troops home and to end
          > all
          > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
          > > others to
          > > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer
          > the
          > > same to them.
          > >
          > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
          > > response to our declaration they are evil and
          > > invading
          > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
          > > back
          > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
          > > bubble,
          > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
          > > logically
          > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
          > >
          > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:
          > >
          > > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
          > > Israel
          > > > again today.
          > > >
          > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
          > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
          > > >
          > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
          > > U.S.
          > > > response?
          > > >
          > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
          > > Holocost is
          > > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
          > > > observers?
          > > >
          > > > Just curious.
          > > >
          > > > Kevin S.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
          > > > removed]
          > > >
          > > >
          > >
          > > Joe Kexel
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          >
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          > >
          > >
          >
          > Joe Kexel
          >
          >
          >
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        • Kevin Scheunemann
          To abandon Israel as an ally would send the message that America is not willing to stomach a fight. Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3 things happens:
          Message 4 of 30 , Jun 3, 2007
            To abandon Israel as an ally would send the message that America is not willing to stomach a fight.

            Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3 things happens:

            1.) Everyone is Muslim.
            2.) Everyone who is non-Muslim is dead (can be combined with #1).
            3.) Or someone stands up to the aggression and evil of radical Islam and destroys it.

            I choose #3 as a matter of self defense and national defense.

            If we abandon our friends, we make #3 that much harder. We will bring the fight to our shores, that has disastrous consequences.

            Kevin S.
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Joseph Kexel
            To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:56 PM
            Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president


            What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with this?
            Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low blow!

            My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws, but
            please answer why we should risk America over Israel?

            You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
            foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept that
            and move onto preserving America?

            Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland in
            Palestine, a location without such a state for
            thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously all
            over the world and they do just that. Why must we
            support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
            Israel? It is that very notion which has festered so
            much hate for the US throughout the middle east.

            I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little that
            makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel above
            the needs of our own nation.

            If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to figure
            out how to make a lasting peace. It may require giving
            back land. If, they are not willing to do that, why
            must we stand beside them taking the terrorists' heat?

            --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:

            > Sure it was a foolish decision.
            >
            > But we need to deal with the decision.
            >
            > Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to
            > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men
            > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to flourish.
            > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
            >
            > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
            > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and interested
            > in not being exterminated by hate mongering Islamic
            > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
            >
            > Kevin S.
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: Joseph Kexel
            > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
            > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
            >
            >
            > Okay, Kevin,
            >
            > Right now! Make the case that the United States
            > will
            > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
            > against
            > Israel equals force against the US.
            >
            > Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
            > support in its creation?
            >
            > What are the specific reasons we should support
            > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
            > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to
            > say,
            > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"
            >
            > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
            > should be no limit to the risks we should endure
            > to
            > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
            > your argument.
            >
            > Simply, I feel that the United States comes first,
            > as
            > long as we do not use force against others. When
            > attacked we should respond with a Declaration of
            > War
            > and with all the force required to remove 100% of
            > the
            > threat. Nation building after the fact is
            > something we
            > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are
            > left
            > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
            > rebuild. I
            > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
            > unbridled
            > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
            > destroy
            > the US. The terrorist organizations which desire
            > it
            > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
            > reasonable list of complaints.
            >
            > It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
            > while promoting endless US intervention throughout
            > the
            > world against these few groups.
            >
            > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...>
            > wrote:
            >
            > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
            > force
            > > is applied to us and our interests we need to
            > > respond.
            > >
            > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
            > things
            > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
            > >
            > > Kevin S.
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: Joseph Kexel
            > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
            > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
            > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
            > >
            > >
            > > The response should be Israeli, not American.
            > What
            > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
            > Israel
            > > has
            > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
            > > Why
            > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
            > > escalate
            > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
            > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
            > > nuclear
            > > winter?
            > >
            > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
            > > support
            > > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest?
            > We
            > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate
            > to
            > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
            > > refuses to
            > > negotiate?
            > >
            > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should
            > act
            > > like
            > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
            > >
            > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
            > > compromise for a renewed peace?
            > >
            > > Iran = EVIL
            > > Israel = GOOD
            > >
            > > I only wish it was so simple.
            > >
            > > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
            > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
            > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
            > > survival before risking it all over allies which
            > > do
            > > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
            > >
            > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
            > >
            > > It is time to bring our troops home and to end
            > all
            > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
            > > others to
            > > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer
            > the
            > > same to them.
            > >
            > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
            > > response to our declaration they are evil and
            > > invading
            > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
            > > back
            > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
            > > bubble,
            > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
            > > logically
            > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
            > >
            > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:
            > >
            > > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
            > > Israel
            > > > again today.
            > > >
            > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
            > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
            > > >
            > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
            > > U.S.
            > > > response?
            > > >
            > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
            > > Holocost is
            > > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
            > > > observers?
            > > >
            > > > Just curious.
            > > >
            > > > Kevin S.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
            > > > removed]
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            > > Joe Kexel
            > >
            > >
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          • Joseph Kexel
            Now, you have resorted to calling everyone who does not support Israel chicken! Come on Kevin, stop pooping your pants over radical Islam, whose primary
            Message 5 of 30 , Jun 3, 2007
              Now, you have resorted to calling everyone who does
              not support Israel chicken! Come on Kevin, stop
              pooping your pants over radical Islam, whose primary
              problem with the US is our support of Israel, that and
              our troops stationed on their holy land.

              As for point number one, I doubt most Muslims wish to
              be radical.

              For point two, I do not fear that they will take over
              the US, unless we continue our crazy immigration
              policy of letting most everyone in.

              Point 3 implies the only course of action is to murder
              Muslims instead of helping them out of poverty.
              Poverty is a huge part of the problem in the middle
              east. Idle young males are easy prey for
              fundamentalists, just like gangs recruit new members
              in the inner city.

              The 'when in doubt, bomb them' mentality is a common
              theme of our foreign policy with obvious consequences.

              Peace and love, Kevin.
              Peace, love and fair commerce. ;)


              --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:

              > To abandon Israel as an ally would send the message
              > that America is not willing to stomach a fight.
              >
              > Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3 things
              > happens:
              >
              > 1.) Everyone is Muslim.
              > 2.) Everyone who is non-Muslim is dead (can be
              > combined with #1).
              > 3.) Or someone stands up to the aggression and evil
              > of radical Islam and destroys it.
              >
              > I choose #3 as a matter of self defense and national
              > defense.
              >
              > If we abandon our friends, we make #3 that much
              > harder. We will bring the fight to our shores, that
              > has disastrous consequences.
              >
              > Kevin S.
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Joseph Kexel
              > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:56 PM
              > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
              >
              >
              > What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with
              > this?
              > Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low
              > blow!
              >
              > My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws,
              > but
              > please answer why we should risk America over
              > Israel?
              >
              > You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
              > foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept
              > that
              > and move onto preserving America?
              >
              > Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland
              > in
              > Palestine, a location without such a state for
              > thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously all
              > over the world and they do just that. Why must we
              > support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
              > Israel? It is that very notion which has festered
              > so
              > much hate for the US throughout the middle east.
              >
              > I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little that
              > makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel
              > above
              > the needs of our own nation.
              >
              > If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to
              > figure
              > out how to make a lasting peace. It may require
              > giving
              > back land. If, they are not willing to do that,
              > why
              > must we stand beside them taking the terrorists'
              > heat?
              >
              > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...>
              > wrote:
              >
              > > Sure it was a foolish decision.
              > >
              > > But we need to deal with the decision.
              > >
              > > Unless, of course, you are interested in helping
              > to
              > > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men
              > > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to
              > flourish.
              > > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
              > >
              > > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
              > > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and
              > interested
              > > in not being exterminated by hate mongering
              > Islamic
              > > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
              > >
              > > Kevin S.
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: Joseph Kexel
              > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
              > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
              > >
              > >
              > > Okay, Kevin,
              > >
              > > Right now! Make the case that the United States
              > > will
              > > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
              > > against
              > > Israel equals force against the US.
              > >
              > > Why is Israel our interest other than our
              > foolish
              > > support in its creation?
              > >
              > > What are the specific reasons we should support
              > > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
              > > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to
              > > say,
              > > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion
              > state?"
              > >
              > > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that
              > there
              > > should be no limit to the risks we should endure
              > > to
              > > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason
              > for
              > > your argument.
              > >
              > > Simply, I feel that the United States comes
              > first,
              > > as
              > > long as we do not use force against others. When
              > > attacked we should respond with a Declaration of
              > > War
              > > and with all the force required to remove 100%
              > of
              > > the
              > > threat. Nation building after the fact is
              > > something we
              > > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us
              > are
              > > left
              > > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
              > > rebuild. I
              > > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
              > > unbridled
              > > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
              > > destroy
              > > the US. The terrorist organizations which desire
              > > it
              > > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
              > > reasonable list of complaints.
              > >
              > > It seems foolish to ignore the list of
              > grievances
              > > while promoting endless US intervention
              > throughout
              > > the
              > > world against these few groups.
              > >
              > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...>
              > > wrote:
              > >
              > > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
              > > force
              > > > is applied to us and our interests we need to
              > > > respond.
              > > >
              > > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
              > > things
              > > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
              > > >
              > > > Kevin S.
              > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > From: Joseph Kexel
              > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
              > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
              > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob
              > president
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > The response should be Israeli, not American.
              > > What
              > > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
              > > Israel
              > > > has
              > > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone
              > age.
              > > > Why
              > > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
              > > > escalate
              > > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90%
              > of
              > > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
              > > > nuclear
              > > > winter?
              > > >
              > > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
              > > > support
              > > > Israel, even if it is not in our best
              > interest?
              > > We
              > > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate
              > > to
              > > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
              > > > refuses to
              > > > negotiate?
              > > >
              > > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should
              > > act
              > > > like
              > > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
              > > >
              > > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel
              > to
              > > > compromise for a renewed peace?
              > > >
              > > > Iran = EVIL
              > > > Israel = GOOD
              > > >
              > > > I only wish it was so simple.
              > > >
              > > > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization
              > of
              > > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
              > > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our
              > own
              > > > survival before risking it all over allies
              > which
              > > > do
              > > > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
              > > >
              > > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
              > > >
              > > > It is time to bring our troops home and to end
              > > all
              > > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
              > > > others to
              > > > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer
              > > the
              > > > same to them.
              > > >
              > > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs
              > in
              > > > response to our declaration they are evil and
              > > > invading
              > > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
              > > > back
              > > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
              > > > bubble,
              > > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
              > > > logically
              > > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
              > > >
              > > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > > He, once again, called for the destruction
              > of
              > > > Israel
              > > > > again today.
              > > > >
              > > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
              > > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
              > > > >
              > > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
              > > > U.S.
              > > > > response?
              > > > >
              > > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
              > > > Holocost is
              > > > > OK to occur because we want to be
              > uninterested
              > > > > observers?
              > > > >
              > > > > Just curious.
              > > > >
              > > > > Kevin S.
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
              > > > > removed]
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > >
              > > > Joe Kexel
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > >
              > >
              >
              >
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            • Kevin Scheunemann
              So is there a point when you take a leader of a country s threat serious? Promising to wipe someone off the face of the earth is as serious as it gets. I know,
              Message 6 of 30 , Jun 3, 2007
                So is there a point when you take a leader of a country's threat serious?

                Promising to wipe someone off the face of the earth is as serious as it gets.

                I know, peace, love, dope, and everything will be alright.

                That usually leads to bigger issues and more Americans kiled.

                Self-defense begins with sticking up for your friends, not the people threatening to kill you.

                Kevin S.
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Joseph Kexel
                To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 7:34 PM
                Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president


                Now, you have resorted to calling everyone who does
                not support Israel chicken! Come on Kevin, stop
                pooping your pants over radical Islam, whose primary
                problem with the US is our support of Israel, that and
                our troops stationed on their holy land.

                As for point number one, I doubt most Muslims wish to
                be radical.

                For point two, I do not fear that they will take over
                the US, unless we continue our crazy immigration
                policy of letting most everyone in.

                Point 3 implies the only course of action is to murder
                Muslims instead of helping them out of poverty.
                Poverty is a huge part of the problem in the middle
                east. Idle young males are easy prey for
                fundamentalists, just like gangs recruit new members
                in the inner city.

                The 'when in doubt, bomb them' mentality is a common
                theme of our foreign policy with obvious consequences.

                Peace and love, Kevin.
                Peace, love and fair commerce. ;)

                --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:

                > To abandon Israel as an ally would send the message
                > that America is not willing to stomach a fight.
                >
                > Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3 things
                > happens:
                >
                > 1.) Everyone is Muslim.
                > 2.) Everyone who is non-Muslim is dead (can be
                > combined with #1).
                > 3.) Or someone stands up to the aggression and evil
                > of radical Islam and destroys it.
                >
                > I choose #3 as a matter of self defense and national
                > defense.
                >
                > If we abandon our friends, we make #3 that much
                > harder. We will bring the fight to our shores, that
                > has disastrous consequences.
                >
                > Kevin S.
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Joseph Kexel
                > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:56 PM
                > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                >
                >
                > What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with
                > this?
                > Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low
                > blow!
                >
                > My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws,
                > but
                > please answer why we should risk America over
                > Israel?
                >
                > You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
                > foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept
                > that
                > and move onto preserving America?
                >
                > Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland
                > in
                > Palestine, a location without such a state for
                > thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously all
                > over the world and they do just that. Why must we
                > support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
                > Israel? It is that very notion which has festered
                > so
                > much hate for the US throughout the middle east.
                >
                > I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little that
                > makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel
                > above
                > the needs of our own nation.
                >
                > If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to
                > figure
                > out how to make a lasting peace. It may require
                > giving
                > back land. If, they are not willing to do that,
                > why
                > must we stand beside them taking the terrorists'
                > heat?
                >
                > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...>
                > wrote:
                >
                > > Sure it was a foolish decision.
                > >
                > > But we need to deal with the decision.
                > >
                > > Unless, of course, you are interested in helping
                > to
                > > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men
                > > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to
                > flourish.
                > > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
                > >
                > > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
                > > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and
                > interested
                > > in not being exterminated by hate mongering
                > Islamic
                > > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
                > >
                > > Kevin S.
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: Joseph Kexel
                > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                > >
                > >
                > > Okay, Kevin,
                > >
                > > Right now! Make the case that the United States
                > > will
                > > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
                > > against
                > > Israel equals force against the US.
                > >
                > > Why is Israel our interest other than our
                > foolish
                > > support in its creation?
                > >
                > > What are the specific reasons we should support
                > > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
                > > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to
                > > say,
                > > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion
                > state?"
                > >
                > > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that
                > there
                > > should be no limit to the risks we should endure
                > > to
                > > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason
                > for
                > > your argument.
                > >
                > > Simply, I feel that the United States comes
                > first,
                > > as
                > > long as we do not use force against others. When
                > > attacked we should respond with a Declaration of
                > > War
                > > and with all the force required to remove 100%
                > of
                > > the
                > > threat. Nation building after the fact is
                > > something we
                > > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us
                > are
                > > left
                > > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
                > > rebuild. I
                > > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
                > > unbridled
                > > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
                > > destroy
                > > the US. The terrorist organizations which desire
                > > it
                > > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
                > > reasonable list of complaints.
                > >
                > > It seems foolish to ignore the list of
                > grievances
                > > while promoting endless US intervention
                > throughout
                > > the
                > > world against these few groups.
                > >
                > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...>
                > > wrote:
                > >
                > > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
                > > force
                > > > is applied to us and our interests we need to
                > > > respond.
                > > >
                > > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
                > > things
                > > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
                > > >
                > > > Kevin S.
                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
                > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob
                > president
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > The response should be Israeli, not American.
                > > What
                > > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
                > > Israel
                > > > has
                > > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone
                > age.
                > > > Why
                > > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
                > > > escalate
                > > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90%
                > of
                > > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
                > > > nuclear
                > > > winter?
                > > >
                > > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
                > > > support
                > > > Israel, even if it is not in our best
                > interest?
                > > We
                > > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate
                > > to
                > > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
                > > > refuses to
                > > > negotiate?
                > > >
                > > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should
                > > act
                > > > like
                > > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
                > > >
                > > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel
                > to
                > > > compromise for a renewed peace?
                > > >
                > > > Iran = EVIL
                > > > Israel = GOOD
                > > >
                > > > I only wish it was so simple.
                > > >
                > > > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization
                > of
                > > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
                > > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our
                > own
                > > > survival before risking it all over allies
                > which
                > > > do
                > > > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
                > > >
                > > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
                > > >
                > > > It is time to bring our troops home and to end
                > > all
                > > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
                > > > others to
                > > > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer
                > > the
                > > > same to them.
                > > >
                > > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs
                > in
                > > > response to our declaration they are evil and
                > > > invading
                > > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
                > > > back
                > > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
                > > > bubble,
                > > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
                > > > logically
                > > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
                > > >
                > > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > > He, once again, called for the destruction
                > of
                > > > Israel
                > > > > again today.
                > > > >
                > > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
                > > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
                > > > >
                > > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
                > > > U.S.
                > > > > response?
                > > > >
                > > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
                > > > Holocost is
                > > > > OK to occur because we want to be
                > uninterested
                > > > > observers?
                > > > >
                > > > > Just curious.
                > > > >
                > > > > Kevin S.
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                > > > > removed]
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > > Joe Kexel
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                >
                >
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                > >
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                Our friends as you claim have attacked us, spied on us and changed course in the middle of peace negotiations leaving looking like fools. I have asked many
                Message 7 of 30 , Jun 3, 2007
                  Our friends as you claim have attacked us, spied on us
                  and changed course in the middle of peace negotiations
                  leaving looking like fools.

                  I have asked many times, but you still offer no
                  answers to why we must support Israel. The threat by
                  Iran is not towards the US, but Israel, a nation which
                  oppresses Muslims.

                  Without our endless, unwavering support Israel would
                  have given back land and found some way to make peace.
                  Having the US as backup makes them unwilling to
                  negotiate, they want everything on their terms.

                  Again, explain exactly how Israel is worth it to the
                  US.

                  As for taking the leader's threat seriously, why not
                  take the terrorists' threats and reasons seriously,
                  too. You seem only to listen to what fits your
                  paradigm of the US as world cop. If, Israel needs help
                  they can call the UN, which is really suppose to work
                  out the differences of the world, not the US with
                  gunboat diplomacy.


                  --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:

                  > So is there a point when you take a leader of a
                  > country's threat serious?
                  >
                  > Promising to wipe someone off the face of the earth
                  > is as serious as it gets.
                  >
                  > I know, peace, love, dope, and everything will be
                  > alright.
                  >
                  > That usually leads to bigger issues and more
                  > Americans kiled.
                  >
                  > Self-defense begins with sticking up for your
                  > friends, not the people threatening to kill you.
                  >
                  > Kevin S.
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Joseph Kexel
                  > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 7:34 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                  >
                  >
                  > Now, you have resorted to calling everyone who
                  > does
                  > not support Israel chicken! Come on Kevin, stop
                  > pooping your pants over radical Islam, whose
                  > primary
                  > problem with the US is our support of Israel, that
                  > and
                  > our troops stationed on their holy land.
                  >
                  > As for point number one, I doubt most Muslims wish
                  > to
                  > be radical.
                  >
                  > For point two, I do not fear that they will take
                  > over
                  > the US, unless we continue our crazy immigration
                  > policy of letting most everyone in.
                  >
                  > Point 3 implies the only course of action is to
                  > murder
                  > Muslims instead of helping them out of poverty.
                  > Poverty is a huge part of the problem in the
                  > middle
                  > east. Idle young males are easy prey for
                  > fundamentalists, just like gangs recruit new
                  > members
                  > in the inner city.
                  >
                  > The 'when in doubt, bomb them' mentality is a
                  > common
                  > theme of our foreign policy with obvious
                  > consequences.
                  >
                  > Peace and love, Kevin.
                  > Peace, love and fair commerce. ;)
                  >
                  > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...>
                  > wrote:
                  >
                  > > To abandon Israel as an ally would send the
                  > message
                  > > that America is not willing to stomach a fight.
                  > >
                  > > Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3
                  > things
                  > > happens:
                  > >
                  > > 1.) Everyone is Muslim.
                  > > 2.) Everyone who is non-Muslim is dead (can be
                  > > combined with #1).
                  > > 3.) Or someone stands up to the aggression and
                  > evil
                  > > of radical Islam and destroys it.
                  > >
                  > > I choose #3 as a matter of self defense and
                  > national
                  > > defense.
                  > >
                  > > If we abandon our friends, we make #3 that much
                  > > harder. We will bring the fight to our shores,
                  > that
                  > > has disastrous consequences.
                  > >
                  > > Kevin S.
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: Joseph Kexel
                  > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:56 PM
                  > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with
                  > > this?
                  > > Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low
                  > > blow!
                  > >
                  > > My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish
                  > in-laws,
                  > > but
                  > > please answer why we should risk America over
                  > > Israel?
                  > >
                  > > You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
                  > > foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept
                  > > that
                  > > and move onto preserving America?
                  > >
                  > > Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland
                  > > in
                  > > Palestine, a location without such a state for
                  > > thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously
                  > all
                  > > over the world and they do just that. Why must
                  > we
                  > > support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
                  > > Israel? It is that very notion which has
                  > festered
                  > > so
                  > > much hate for the US throughout the middle east.
                  > >
                  > > I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little
                  > that
                  > > makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel
                  > > above
                  > > the needs of our own nation.
                  > >
                  > > If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to
                  > > figure
                  > > out how to make a lasting peace. It may require
                  > > giving
                  > > back land. If, they are not willing to do that,
                  > > why
                  > > must we stand beside them taking the terrorists'
                  > > heat?
                  > >
                  > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...>
                  > > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > > Sure it was a foolish decision.
                  > > >
                  > > > But we need to deal with the decision.
                  > > >
                  > > > Unless, of course, you are interested in
                  > helping
                  > > to
                  > > > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good
                  > men
                  > > > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to
                  > > flourish.
                  > > > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
                  > > >
                  > > > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
                  > > > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and
                  > > interested
                  > > > in not being exterminated by hate mongering
                  > > Islamic
                  > > > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
                  > > >
                  > > > Kevin S.
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                  > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
                  > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob
                  > president
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Okay, Kevin,
                  > > >
                  > > > Right now! Make the case that the United
                  > States
                  > > > will
                  > > > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
                  > > > against
                  > > > Israel equals force against the US.
                  > > >
                  > > > Why is Israel our interest other than our
                  > > foolish
                  > > > support in its creation?
                  > > >
                  > > > What are the specific reasons we should
                  > support
                  > > > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
                  > > > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist
                  > to
                  > > > say,
                  > > > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion
                  > > state?"
                  > > >
                  > > > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that
                  > > there
                  > > > should be no limit to the risks we should
                  > endure
                  > > > to
                  > > > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason
                  > > for
                  > > > your argument.
                  > > >
                  > > > Simply, I feel that the United States comes
                  > > first,
                  > > > as
                  > > > long as we do not use force against others.
                  > When
                  > > > attacked we should respond with a Declaration
                  > of
                  > > > War
                  > > > and with all the force required to remove 100%
                  > > of
                  > > > the
                  > > > threat. Nation building after the fact is
                  > > > something we
                  > > > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us
                  > > are
                  > > > left
                  > > > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
                  > > > rebuild. I
                  > > > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
                  > > > unbridled
                  > > > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
                  > > > destroy
                  > > > the US. The terrorist organizations which
                  > desire
                  > > > it
                  > > > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
                  > > > reasonable list of complaints.
                  > > >
                  > > > It seems foolish to ignore the list of
                  > > grievances
                  > > > while promoting endless US intervention
                  > > throughout
                  > > > the
                  > > > world against these few groups.
                  > > >
                  > > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...>
                  > > > wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
                  > > > force
                  > > > > is applied to us and our interests we need
                  > to
                  > > > > respond.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
                  > > > things
                  > > > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Kevin S.
                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                  > > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob
                  > > president
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > The response should be Israeli, not
                  > American.
                  > > > What
                  > > > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
                  > > > Israel
                  > > > > has
                  > > > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone
                  > > age.
                  > > > > Why
                  > > > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
                  > > > > escalate
                  > > > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys
                  > 90%
                  > > of
                  > > > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a
                  > long
                  > > > > nuclear
                  > > > > winter?
                  > > > >
                  > > > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We
                  > should
                  > > > > support
                  > > > > Israel, even if it is not in our best
                  > > interest?
                  > > > We
                  > > > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic
                  > hate
                  > > > to
                  > > > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
                  > > > > refuses to
                  > > > > negotiate?
                  > > > >
                  > > > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it
                  > should
                  > > > act
                  > > > > like
                  > > > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
                  >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel
                  > > to
                  > > > > compromise for a renewed peace?
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Iran = EVIL
                  > > > > Israel = GOOD
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I only wish it was so simple.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I hate to sound callous, but the
                  > vaporization
                  > > of
                  > > > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
                  > > > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our
                  > > own
                  > > > > survival before risking it all over allies
                  > > which
                  > > > > do
                  > > > > not take our advice and actively spy upon
                  > us.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > It is time to bring our troops home and to
                  > end
                  > > > all
                  > > > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
                  > > > > others to
                  > > > > treat us with respect and peace, we must
                  > offer
                  > > > the
                  > > > > same to them.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke
                  > programs
                  > > in
                  > > > > response to our declaration they are evil
                  > and
                  > > > > invading
                  > > > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation?
                  > Sit
                  > > > > back
                  > > > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your
                  > myth
                  > > > > bubble,
                  > > > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
                  > > > > logically
                  > > > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > > He, once again, called for the destruction
                  > > of
                  > > > > Israel
                  > > > > > again today.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me,
                  > it
                  > > > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use
                  > it.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be
                  > the
                  > > > > U.S.
                  > > > > > response?
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
                  > > > > Holocost is
                  > > > > > OK to occur because we want to be
                  > > uninterested
                  > > > > > observers?
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Just curious.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Kevin S.
                  > > > > >
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                  > > > > Joe Kexel
                  > > > >
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                • navnek04
                  ... and our interests we need to respond. ... down the road. ... RANT NOTE-DID YOU SEE THAT I DELETED PARTS OF PREVIOUS POST NOT GERMANE TO MY COMMENTS? CAN
                  Message 8 of 30 , Jun 4, 2007
                    --- In lpwi@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Scheunemann" <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > You do sound callous. My point is that when force is applied to us
                    and our interests we need to respond.
                    >
                    > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make things worse 20-30 years
                    down the road.
                    >
                    > Kevin S.


                    RANT NOTE-DID YOU SEE THAT I DELETED PARTS OF PREVIOUS POST NOT GERMANE
                    TO MY COMMENTS? CAN THE REST OF YOU TRY IT OCCASIONALLY?


                    So if it is bad to make things worse 20-30 yrs down the road, let me
                    jump to the conclusion that it is at least as bad to make things worse
                    75-100 yrs down the road.

                    WW I- The breakup of the OTTOMAN Empire, perhaps the most stable period
                    of the Middle East's long history. (Note that Ottomans were not
                    universally a postive force. Just that there was "stablity,"
                    regardless of how brutish it may have been.)

                    Then Lawrence of Arabia puts in Hashemite rulers in various mideast
                    couontries. These guys were brutes to be sure. Raised the resentment
                    of locals against the Brits, and later, the US forces and companies who
                    supported Brit policy. In Saudi Arabia, not happy w. Hashemite rule,
                    the Saud family-another band of brutes-overthrows the Hashemites and
                    seizes control. Locals resent the Saud family and its sponsors, the
                    Brits and US, to this day.

                    1948- The Israeli stat is born, wrested from Arab land owners by
                    force. Locals resent this action, to this day.

                    1953. CIA funds the overthrow of President Mossedagh (sp?) in Iran,
                    and installs the shah. Locals resent this action to this day. After
                    years of brutal rule, people rally around the Ayatollah Khomenie, and
                    overthrow the Shah.

                    1950's CIA covertly funnels support to BAATHIST Party and its eventual
                    ruler, a brute named Saddam. Many locals resent that to this day.

                    1980's. Saddam orders his troops to attack Iran. He is supported by
                    the US. Iranians resent that we supported a pre-emptive strike against
                    the, to this day.

                    1990- After assuring him we have no interest in whether Saddam attacks
                    Kuwait, (the April Glaspie meeting) we change our minds and wage war
                    agiainst him. GB I decides we should not braoden the war, but urges
                    locals to rise up agianst Saddam, because we are with them, we support
                    them. When they do so, many are slaughtered by Saddam. The anti-
                    Saddamites resent that to this day.

                    1990's Sanctions against Iraq. Intermeitent bombing. Estimated
                    500,000 die of lack of food and medicine due to sanctions, as well as
                    errant bombs. Clinton's secy of State Albright thinks the price is
                    worth it. Many locals resent these actions to this day.

                    1990's US Military occupation of Mideast continues. Many Muslims
                    resent presence of US troops in areas they consider sacred, to this
                    day.

                    I am sure I could come up with much more, like bombing aspirin
                    facotries, subsidizing and supplying Israeli troops who brutalize
                    terrorist and noncombatants alike, destroy crops and housing, making
                    Palestinian situation even more bleak, but if you do not get the
                    picture now, you never will.

                    By all means, let us not follow the Carter plan and make it worse 20-30
                    years down the road. Instead, let us follow the NeoCon plan which will
                    put us at war and make us hated for centuries to come. Let us become
                    more brutal both at home and abroad, and take peoples' rights in the
                    name of Liberty. Yep. That makes a lot of sense.

                    Ken Van Doren
                  • Joseph Kexel
                    Wow! Great post! Unfortunately, such information will not be welcomed by those who believe THEY hate us for our freedom. Some how the past plays no role on the
                    Message 9 of 30 , Jun 4, 2007
                      Wow! Great post!

                      Unfortunately, such information will not be welcomed
                      by those who believe THEY hate us for our freedom.

                      Some how the past plays no role on the present. Some
                      how when we injure others by our policies, it should
                      be welcomed for we do it for a higher purpose. Some
                      how the family and friends of those we injure should
                      have no negative feelings towards us.

                      It is stupid to believe such nonsense.

                      --- navnek04 <navnek@...> wrote:
                      > So if it is bad to make things worse 20-30 yrs down
                      > the road, let me
                      > jump to the conclusion that it is at least as bad to
                      > make things worse
                      > 75-100 yrs down the road.
                      >
                      > WW I- The breakup of the OTTOMAN Empire, perhaps the
                      > most stable period
                      > of the Middle East's long history. (Note that
                      > Ottomans were not
                      > universally a postive force. Just that there was
                      > "stablity,"
                      > regardless of how brutish it may have been.)
                      >
                      > Then Lawrence of Arabia puts in Hashemite rulers in
                      > various mideast
                      > couontries. These guys were brutes to be sure.
                      > Raised the resentment
                      > of locals against the Brits, and later, the US
                      > forces and companies who
                      > supported Brit policy. In Saudi Arabia, not happy
                      > w. Hashemite rule,
                      > the Saud family-another band of brutes-overthrows
                      > the Hashemites and
                      > seizes control. Locals resent the Saud family and
                      > its sponsors, the
                      > Brits and US, to this day.
                      >
                      > 1948- The Israeli stat is born, wrested from Arab
                      > land owners by
                      > force. Locals resent this action, to this day.
                      >
                      > 1953. CIA funds the overthrow of President
                      > Mossedagh (sp?) in Iran,
                      > and installs the shah. Locals resent this action to
                      > this day. After
                      > years of brutal rule, people rally around the
                      > Ayatollah Khomenie, and
                      > overthrow the Shah.
                      >
                      > 1950's CIA covertly funnels support to BAATHIST
                      > Party and its eventual
                      > ruler, a brute named Saddam. Many locals resent
                      > that to this day.
                      >
                      > 1980's. Saddam orders his troops to attack Iran.
                      > He is supported by
                      > the US. Iranians resent that we supported a
                      > pre-emptive strike against
                      > the, to this day.
                      >
                      > 1990- After assuring him we have no interest in
                      > whether Saddam attacks
                      > Kuwait, (the April Glaspie meeting) we change our
                      > minds and wage war
                      > agiainst him. GB I decides we should not braoden
                      > the war, but urges
                      > locals to rise up agianst Saddam, because we are
                      > with them, we support
                      > them. When they do so, many are slaughtered by
                      > Saddam. The anti-
                      > Saddamites resent that to this day.
                      >
                      > 1990's Sanctions against Iraq. Intermeitent
                      > bombing. Estimated
                      > 500,000 die of lack of food and medicine due to
                      > sanctions, as well as
                      > errant bombs. Clinton's secy of State Albright
                      > thinks the price is
                      > worth it. Many locals resent these actions to this
                      > day.
                      >
                      > 1990's US Military occupation of Mideast continues.
                      > Many Muslims
                      > resent presence of US troops in areas they consider
                      > sacred, to this
                      > day.
                      >
                      > I am sure I could come up with much more, like
                      > bombing aspirin
                      > facotries, subsidizing and supplying Israeli troops
                      > who brutalize
                      > terrorist and noncombatants alike, destroy crops and
                      > housing, making
                      > Palestinian situation even more bleak, but if you do
                      > not get the
                      > picture now, you never will.
                      >
                      > By all means, let us not follow the Carter plan and
                      > make it worse 20-30
                      > years down the road. Instead, let us follow the
                      > NeoCon plan which will
                      > put us at war and make us hated for centuries to
                      > come. Let us become
                      > more brutal both at home and abroad, and take
                      > peoples' rights in the
                      > name of Liberty. Yep. That makes a lot of sense.
                      >
                      > Ken Van Doren
                      >
                      >
                      >


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                    • Stephen J. Baker
                      Kevin, why do you constantly confuse our Government with the rest of us? No-one -- other than you -- has advocated that WE should stay out of Middle East
                      Message 10 of 30 , Jun 4, 2007
                        Kevin, why do you constantly confuse our Government with the rest
                        of us?

                        No-one -- other than you -- has advocated that "WE" should stay out
                        of Middle East Affairs, but, only that our GOVERNMENT -- meaning, a
                        Small Segment of the US Population -- should stay out. Or are you
                        going to insult the rest of us by saying that we're ALL "Part of the
                        Government?"

                        Since you are so Insistent on us being Involved, the thing for you
                        to do is to Purchase -- for yourself -- a Rifle, a Helmet, a Flak Jacket
                        and a Plane Ticket to Baghdad. That way, you can PERSONALLY get
                        involved in a cause that you care so much about.

                        Remember, it's a whole lot easier to say "Invade this Country" or
                        "Send Troops Here," if you're laying SOMEONE ELSE'S life on the Line,
                        but not so easy when you're Laying you own Life on the Line.

                        Think it over -- if you know how.




                        Kevin S wrote:

                        > He, once again, called for the destruction of Israel again today.
                        >
                        > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it sounds like he has the
                        > bomb and will use it.
                        >
                        > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the U.S. response?
                        >
                        > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish Holocost is OK to occur
                        > because we want to be uninterested observers?
                        >
                        > Just curious.
                        >
                        > Kevin S.
                        >
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                        | troops is to keep them out of
                        | dangerous, undeclared, no-win wars
                        | that are politically inspired.
                        | Sending troops off to war for reasons
                        | that are not truly related to national
                        | security and, for that matter, may
                        | even damage our security, is hardly a
                        | way to patriotically support the
                        | troops.
                        | Congressman Dr. Ron Paul, R-TX
                        |
                        | In His Grip:
                        | Stephen J. Baker
                        | A (Moderately) humble servant of Jesus
                        |________________________________________
                        |
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                        | with Politicians?
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                      • Stephen J. Baker
                        Must I remind you that the fight has ALREADY come to our Shores and that it was IN RESPONSE to the US Government s Involvement in the Middle East? By staying
                        Message 11 of 30 , Jun 4, 2007
                          Must I remind you that the fight has ALREADY come to our Shores and
                          that it was IN RESPONSE to the US Government's Involvement in the Middle
                          East?

                          By staying involved -- and by Psychos like you supporting said
                          Involvement -- It pretty much GUARANTEES that there will be another 9/11
                          -- and that it's only a matter of time.




                          Kevin Scheunemann wrote:

                          > To abandon Israel as an ally would send the message that America is
                          > not willing to stomach a fight.
                          >
                          > Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3 things happens:
                          >
                          > 1.) Everyone is Muslim.
                          > 2.) Everyone who is non-Muslim is dead (can be combined with #1).
                          > 3.) Or someone stands up to the aggression and evil of radical Islam
                          > and destroys it.
                          >
                          > I choose #3 as a matter of self defense and national defense.
                          >
                          > If we abandon our friends, we make #3 that much harder. We will bring
                          > the fight to our shores, that has disastrous consequences.
                          >
                          > Kevin S.
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: Joseph Kexel
                          > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:56 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                          >
                          > What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with this?
                          > Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low blow!
                          >
                          > My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws, but
                          > please answer why we should risk America over Israel?
                          >
                          > You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
                          > foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept that
                          > and move onto preserving America?
                          >
                          > Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland in
                          > Palestine, a location without such a state for
                          > thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously all
                          > over the world and they do just that. Why must we
                          > support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
                          > Israel? It is that very notion which has festered so
                          > much hate for the US throughout the middle east.
                          >
                          > I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little that
                          > makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel above
                          > the needs of our own nation.
                          >
                          > If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to figure
                          > out how to make a lasting peace. It may require giving
                          > back land. If, they are not willing to do that, why
                          > must we stand beside them taking the terrorists' heat?
                          >
                          > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                          > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                          >
                          > > Sure it was a foolish decision.
                          > >
                          > > But we need to deal with the decision.
                          > >
                          > > Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to
                          > > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men
                          > > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to flourish.
                          > > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
                          > >
                          > > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
                          > > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and interested
                          > > in not being exterminated by hate mongering Islamic
                          > > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
                          > >
                          > > Kevin S.
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: Joseph Kexel
                          > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
                          > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Okay, Kevin,
                          > >
                          > > Right now! Make the case that the United States
                          > > will
                          > > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
                          > > against
                          > > Israel equals force against the US.
                          > >
                          > > Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
                          > > support in its creation?
                          > >
                          > > What are the specific reasons we should support
                          > > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
                          > > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to
                          > > say,
                          > > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"
                          > >
                          > > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
                          > > should be no limit to the risks we should endure
                          > > to
                          > > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
                          > > your argument.
                          > >
                          > > Simply, I feel that the United States comes first,
                          > > as
                          > > long as we do not use force against others. When
                          > > attacked we should respond with a Declaration of
                          > > War
                          > > and with all the force required to remove 100% of
                          > > the
                          > > threat. Nation building after the fact is
                          > > something we
                          > > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are
                          > > left
                          > > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
                          > > rebuild. I
                          > > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
                          > > unbridled
                          > > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
                          > > destroy
                          > > the US. The terrorist organizations which desire
                          > > it
                          > > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
                          > > reasonable list of complaints.
                          > >
                          > > It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
                          > > while promoting endless US intervention throughout
                          > > the
                          > > world against these few groups.
                          > >
                          > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                          > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>>
                          > > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
                          > > force
                          > > > is applied to us and our interests we need to
                          > > > respond.
                          > > >
                          > > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
                          > > things
                          > > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
                          > > >
                          > > > Kevin S.
                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                          > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
                          > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > The response should be Israeli, not American.
                          > > What
                          > > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
                          > > Israel
                          > > > has
                          > > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
                          > > > Why
                          > > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
                          > > > escalate
                          > > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
                          > > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
                          > > > nuclear
                          > > > winter?
                          > > >
                          > > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
                          > > > support
                          > > > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest?
                          > > We
                          > > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate
                          > > to
                          > > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
                          > > > refuses to
                          > > > negotiate?
                          > > >
                          > > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should
                          > > act
                          > > > like
                          > > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
                          > > >
                          > > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
                          > > > compromise for a renewed peace?
                          > > >
                          > > > Iran = EVIL
                          > > > Israel = GOOD
                          > > >
                          > > > I only wish it was so simple.
                          > > >
                          > > > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
                          > > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
                          > > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
                          > > > survival before risking it all over allies which
                          > > > do
                          > > > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
                          > > >
                          > > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
                          > > >
                          > > > It is time to bring our troops home and to end
                          > > all
                          > > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
                          > > > others to
                          > > > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer
                          > > the
                          > > > same to them.
                          > > >
                          > > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
                          > > > response to our declaration they are evil and
                          > > > invading
                          > > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
                          > > > back
                          > > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
                          > > > bubble,
                          > > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
                          > > > logically
                          > > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
                          > > >
                          > > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...
                          > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
                          > > > Israel
                          > > > > again today.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
                          > > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
                          > > > U.S.
                          > > > > response?
                          > > > >
                          > > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
                          > > > Holocost is
                          > > > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
                          > > > > observers?
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Just curious.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Kevin S.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                          > > > > removed]
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Joe Kexel
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > __________________________________________________________
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                          > > >
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                          > >
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                          > <http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091>
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                          > > > removed]
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > > Joe Kexel
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > __________________________________________________________
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                          > > that gives answers, not web links.
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                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                          > > removed]
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                          > Joe Kexel
                          >
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                          >
                          >



                          --
                          _______________________________________
                          |
                          | It is conveniently ignored that the
                          | only authentic way to best support the
                          | troops is to keep them out of
                          | dangerous, undeclared, no-win wars
                          | that are politically inspired.
                          | Sending troops off to war for reasons
                          | that are not truly related to national
                          | security and, for that matter, may
                          | even damage our security, is hardly a
                          | way to patriotically support the
                          | troops.
                          | Congressman Dr. Ron Paul, R-TX
                          |
                          | In His Grip:
                          | Stephen J. Baker
                          | A (Moderately) humble servant of Jesus
                          |________________________________________
                          |
                          | Is your Neighborhood Infested
                          | with Politicians?
                          | Click Below for Relief!
                          | http://www.lp.org/flash/removal.html
                          |
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                        • Kevin S
                          Withdrawing and embracing isolationism will NOT make terrorism go away, it will only allow it to gather steam. RADICAL ISLAM HAS DECLARED WAR ON US. It is a
                          Message 12 of 30 , Jun 4, 2007
                            Withdrawing and embracing isolationism will NOT make terrorism go away, it will only allow it to gather steam.

                            RADICAL ISLAM HAS DECLARED WAR ON US. It is a moot point whether our government caused it. We canot ignore that fact. 9/11 happened when we continued to ignore that fact in the 1990's.

                            Kevin S.
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Stephen J. Baker
                            To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:21 PM
                            Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president


                            Must I remind you that the fight has ALREADY come to our Shores and
                            that it was IN RESPONSE to the US Government's Involvement in the Middle
                            East?

                            By staying involved -- and by Psychos like you supporting said
                            Involvement -- It pretty much GUARANTEES that there will be another 9/11
                            -- and that it's only a matter of time.

                            Kevin Scheunemann wrote:

                            > To abandon Israel as an ally would send the message that America is
                            > not willing to stomach a fight.
                            >
                            > Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3 things happens:
                            >
                            > 1.) Everyone is Muslim.
                            > 2.) Everyone who is non-Muslim is dead (can be combined with #1).
                            > 3.) Or someone stands up to the aggression and evil of radical Islam
                            > and destroys it.
                            >
                            > I choose #3 as a matter of self defense and national defense.
                            >
                            > If we abandon our friends, we make #3 that much harder. We will bring
                            > the fight to our shores, that has disastrous consequences.
                            >
                            > Kevin S.
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Joseph Kexel
                            > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:56 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                            >
                            > What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with this?
                            > Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low blow!
                            >
                            > My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws, but
                            > please answer why we should risk America over Israel?
                            >
                            > You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
                            > foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept that
                            > and move onto preserving America?
                            >
                            > Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland in
                            > Palestine, a location without such a state for
                            > thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously all
                            > over the world and they do just that. Why must we
                            > support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
                            > Israel? It is that very notion which has festered so
                            > much hate for the US throughout the middle east.
                            >
                            > I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little that
                            > makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel above
                            > the needs of our own nation.
                            >
                            > If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to figure
                            > out how to make a lasting peace. It may require giving
                            > back land. If, they are not willing to do that, why
                            > must we stand beside them taking the terrorists' heat?
                            >
                            > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                            > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                            >
                            > > Sure it was a foolish decision.
                            > >
                            > > But we need to deal with the decision.
                            > >
                            > > Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to
                            > > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men
                            > > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to flourish.
                            > > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
                            > >
                            > > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
                            > > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and interested
                            > > in not being exterminated by hate mongering Islamic
                            > > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
                            > >
                            > > Kevin S.
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: Joseph Kexel
                            > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
                            > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Okay, Kevin,
                            > >
                            > > Right now! Make the case that the United States
                            > > will
                            > > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
                            > > against
                            > > Israel equals force against the US.
                            > >
                            > > Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
                            > > support in its creation?
                            > >
                            > > What are the specific reasons we should support
                            > > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
                            > > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to
                            > > say,
                            > > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"
                            > >
                            > > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
                            > > should be no limit to the risks we should endure
                            > > to
                            > > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
                            > > your argument.
                            > >
                            > > Simply, I feel that the United States comes first,
                            > > as
                            > > long as we do not use force against others. When
                            > > attacked we should respond with a Declaration of
                            > > War
                            > > and with all the force required to remove 100% of
                            > > the
                            > > threat. Nation building after the fact is
                            > > something we
                            > > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are
                            > > left
                            > > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
                            > > rebuild. I
                            > > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
                            > > unbridled
                            > > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
                            > > destroy
                            > > the US. The terrorist organizations which desire
                            > > it
                            > > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
                            > > reasonable list of complaints.
                            > >
                            > > It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
                            > > while promoting endless US intervention throughout
                            > > the
                            > > world against these few groups.
                            > >
                            > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                            > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>>
                            > > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
                            > > force
                            > > > is applied to us and our interests we need to
                            > > > respond.
                            > > >
                            > > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
                            > > things
                            > > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
                            > > >
                            > > > Kevin S.
                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                            > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
                            > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > The response should be Israeli, not American.
                            > > What
                            > > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
                            > > Israel
                            > > > has
                            > > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
                            > > > Why
                            > > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
                            > > > escalate
                            > > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
                            > > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
                            > > > nuclear
                            > > > winter?
                            > > >
                            > > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
                            > > > support
                            > > > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest?
                            > > We
                            > > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate
                            > > to
                            > > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
                            > > > refuses to
                            > > > negotiate?
                            > > >
                            > > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should
                            > > act
                            > > > like
                            > > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
                            > > >
                            > > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
                            > > > compromise for a renewed peace?
                            > > >
                            > > > Iran = EVIL
                            > > > Israel = GOOD
                            > > >
                            > > > I only wish it was so simple.
                            > > >
                            > > > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
                            > > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
                            > > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
                            > > > survival before risking it all over allies which
                            > > > do
                            > > > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
                            > > >
                            > > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
                            > > >
                            > > > It is time to bring our troops home and to end
                            > > all
                            > > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
                            > > > others to
                            > > > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer
                            > > the
                            > > > same to them.
                            > > >
                            > > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
                            > > > response to our declaration they are evil and
                            > > > invading
                            > > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
                            > > > back
                            > > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
                            > > > bubble,
                            > > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
                            > > > logically
                            > > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
                            > > >
                            > > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...
                            > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
                            > > > Israel
                            > > > > again today.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
                            > > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
                            > > > U.S.
                            > > > > response?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
                            > > > Holocost is
                            > > > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
                            > > > > observers?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Just curious.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Kevin S.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                            > > > > removed]
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Joe Kexel
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > __________________________________________________________
                            > > > Need Mail bonding?
                            > > > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from
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                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > >
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                            > <http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091>
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                            > > > removed]
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > Joe Kexel
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > __________________________________________________________
                            > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search
                            > > that gives answers, not web links.
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                            > >
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                            > >
                            > >
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                            > >
                            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                            > > removed]
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                            > Joe Kexel
                            >
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                            All the More Reason to Strengthen our Defenses at Home, to Protect OUR OWN BACK YARD! Why do you insist on Protecting everyone else s back yard, instead? ...
                            Message 13 of 30 , Jun 4, 2007
                              All the More Reason to Strengthen our Defenses at Home, to Protect OUR
                              OWN BACK YARD!

                              Why do you insist on Protecting everyone else's back yard, instead?



                              Kevin S wrote:

                              > RADICAL ISLAM HAS DECLARED WAR ON US.
                              >
                              > Kevin S.
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: Stephen J. Baker
                              > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:21 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                              >
                              > Must I remind you that the fight has ALREADY come to our Shores and
                              > that it was IN RESPONSE to the US Government's Involvement in the Middle
                              > East?
                              >
                              > By staying involved -- and by Psychos like you supporting said
                              > Involvement -- It pretty much GUARANTEES that there will be another 9/11
                              > -- and that it's only a matter of time.
                              >
                              > Kevin Scheunemann wrote:
                              >
                              > > To abandon Israel as an ally would send the message that America is
                              > > not willing to stomach a fight.
                              > >
                              > > Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3 things happens:
                              > >
                              > > 1.) Everyone is Muslim.
                              > > 2.) Everyone who is non-Muslim is dead (can be combined with #1).
                              > > 3.) Or someone stands up to the aggression and evil of radical Islam
                              > > and destroys it.
                              > >
                              > > I choose #3 as a matter of self defense and national defense.
                              > >
                              > > If we abandon our friends, we make #3 that much harder. We will bring
                              > > the fight to our shores, that has disastrous consequences.
                              > >
                              > > Kevin S.
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: Joseph Kexel
                              > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:56 PM
                              > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                              > >
                              > > What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with this?
                              > > Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low blow!
                              > >
                              > > My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws, but
                              > > please answer why we should risk America over Israel?
                              > >
                              > > You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
                              > > foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept that
                              > > and move onto preserving America?
                              > >
                              > > Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland in
                              > > Palestine, a location without such a state for
                              > > thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously all
                              > > over the world and they do just that. Why must we
                              > > support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
                              > > Israel? It is that very notion which has festered so
                              > > much hate for the US throughout the middle east.
                              > >
                              > > I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little that
                              > > makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel above
                              > > the needs of our own nation.
                              > >
                              > > If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to figure
                              > > out how to make a lasting peace. It may require giving
                              > > back land. If, they are not willing to do that, why
                              > > must we stand beside them taking the terrorists' heat?
                              > >
                              > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                              > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                              > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > > Sure it was a foolish decision.
                              > > >
                              > > > But we need to deal with the decision.
                              > > >
                              > > > Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to
                              > > > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men
                              > > > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to flourish.
                              > > > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
                              > > >
                              > > > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
                              > > > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and interested
                              > > > in not being exterminated by hate mongering Islamic
                              > > > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
                              > > >
                              > > > Kevin S.
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                              > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
                              > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Okay, Kevin,
                              > > >
                              > > > Right now! Make the case that the United States
                              > > > will
                              > > > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
                              > > > against
                              > > > Israel equals force against the US.
                              > > >
                              > > > Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
                              > > > support in its creation?
                              > > >
                              > > > What are the specific reasons we should support
                              > > > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
                              > > > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to
                              > > > say,
                              > > > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"
                              > > >
                              > > > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
                              > > > should be no limit to the risks we should endure
                              > > > to
                              > > > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
                              > > > your argument.
                              > > >
                              > > > Simply, I feel that the United States comes first,
                              > > > as
                              > > > long as we do not use force against others. When
                              > > > attacked we should respond with a Declaration of
                              > > > War
                              > > > and with all the force required to remove 100% of
                              > > > the
                              > > > threat. Nation building after the fact is
                              > > > something we
                              > > > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are
                              > > > left
                              > > > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
                              > > > rebuild. I
                              > > > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
                              > > > unbridled
                              > > > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
                              > > > destroy
                              > > > the US. The terrorist organizations which desire
                              > > > it
                              > > > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
                              > > > reasonable list of complaints.
                              > > >
                              > > > It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
                              > > > while promoting endless US intervention throughout
                              > > > the
                              > > > world against these few groups.
                              > > >
                              > > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                              > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                              > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>>
                              > > > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
                              > > > force
                              > > > > is applied to us and our interests we need to
                              > > > > respond.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
                              > > > things
                              > > > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Kevin S.
                              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                              > > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > The response should be Israeli, not American.
                              > > > What
                              > > > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
                              > > > Israel
                              > > > > has
                              > > > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
                              > > > > Why
                              > > > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
                              > > > > escalate
                              > > > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
                              > > > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
                              > > > > nuclear
                              > > > > winter?
                              > > > >
                              > > > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
                              > > > > support
                              > > > > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest?
                              > > > We
                              > > > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate
                              > > > to
                              > > > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
                              > > > > refuses to
                              > > > > negotiate?
                              > > > >
                              > > > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should
                              > > > act
                              > > > > like
                              > > > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
                              > > > > compromise for a renewed peace?
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Iran = EVIL
                              > > > > Israel = GOOD
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I only wish it was so simple.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
                              > > > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
                              > > > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
                              > > > > survival before risking it all over allies which
                              > > > > do
                              > > > > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > It is time to bring our troops home and to end
                              > > > all
                              > > > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
                              > > > > others to
                              > > > > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer
                              > > > the
                              > > > > same to them.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
                              > > > > response to our declaration they are evil and
                              > > > > invading
                              > > > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
                              > > > > back
                              > > > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
                              > > > > bubble,
                              > > > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
                              > > > > logically
                              > > > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...
                              > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                              > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
                              > > > > Israel
                              > > > > > again today.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
                              > > > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
                              > > > > U.S.
                              > > > > > response?
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
                              > > > > Holocost is
                              > > > > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
                              > > > > > observers?
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Just curious.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Kevin S.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
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                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Joe Kexel
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > >
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                              > | It is conveniently ignored that the
                              > | only authentic way to best support the
                              > | troops is to keep them out of
                              > | dangerous, undeclared, no-win wars
                              > | that are politically inspired.
                              > | Sending troops off to war for reasons
                              > | that are not truly related to national
                              > | security and, for that matter, may
                              > | even damage our security, is hardly a
                              > | way to patriotically support the
                              > | troops.
                              > | Congressman Dr. Ron Paul, R-TX
                              > |
                              > | In His Grip:
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                              |
                              | It is conveniently ignored that the
                              | only authentic way to best support the
                              | troops is to keep them out of
                              | dangerous, undeclared, no-win wars
                              | that are politically inspired.
                              | Sending troops off to war for reasons
                              | that are not truly related to national
                              | security and, for that matter, may
                              | even damage our security, is hardly a
                              | way to patriotically support the
                              | troops.
                              | Congressman Dr. Ron Paul, R-TX
                              |
                              | In His Grip:
                              | Stephen J. Baker
                              | A (Moderately) humble servant of Jesus
                              |________________________________________
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                            • Kevin S
                              Because we meet them in their backyard, not ours! Clinton s policy was to NOT meet them in thier backyard even after the first trade center bombing. Radical
                              Message 14 of 30 , Jun 4, 2007
                                Because we meet them in their backyard, not ours!

                                Clinton's policy was to NOT meet them in thier backyard even after the first trade center bombing. Radical Islam declared war on us during the Clinton administration.

                                His response was weak and Carter-like. Same with the embassy bombings, and the attack on the USS Cole.
                                .
                                Kevin S.
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Stephen J. Baker
                                To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:40 PM
                                Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president


                                All the More Reason to Strengthen our Defenses at Home, to Protect OUR
                                OWN BACK YARD!

                                Why do you insist on Protecting everyone else's back yard, instead?

                                Kevin S wrote:

                                > RADICAL ISLAM HAS DECLARED WAR ON US.
                                >
                                > Kevin S.
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: Stephen J. Baker
                                > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:21 PM
                                > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                >
                                > Must I remind you that the fight has ALREADY come to our Shores and
                                > that it was IN RESPONSE to the US Government's Involvement in the Middle
                                > East?
                                >
                                > By staying involved -- and by Psychos like you supporting said
                                > Involvement -- It pretty much GUARANTEES that there will be another 9/11
                                > -- and that it's only a matter of time.
                                >
                                > Kevin Scheunemann wrote:
                                >
                                > > To abandon Israel as an ally would send the message that America is
                                > > not willing to stomach a fight.
                                > >
                                > > Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3 things happens:
                                > >
                                > > 1.) Everyone is Muslim.
                                > > 2.) Everyone who is non-Muslim is dead (can be combined with #1).
                                > > 3.) Or someone stands up to the aggression and evil of radical Islam
                                > > and destroys it.
                                > >
                                > > I choose #3 as a matter of self defense and national defense.
                                > >
                                > > If we abandon our friends, we make #3 that much harder. We will bring
                                > > the fight to our shores, that has disastrous consequences.
                                > >
                                > > Kevin S.
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:56 PM
                                > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                > >
                                > > What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with this?
                                > > Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low blow!
                                > >
                                > > My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws, but
                                > > please answer why we should risk America over Israel?
                                > >
                                > > You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
                                > > foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept that
                                > > and move onto preserving America?
                                > >
                                > > Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland in
                                > > Palestine, a location without such a state for
                                > > thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously all
                                > > over the world and they do just that. Why must we
                                > > support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
                                > > Israel? It is that very notion which has festered so
                                > > much hate for the US throughout the middle east.
                                > >
                                > > I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little that
                                > > makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel above
                                > > the needs of our own nation.
                                > >
                                > > If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to figure
                                > > out how to make a lasting peace. It may require giving
                                > > back land. If, they are not willing to do that, why
                                > > must we stand beside them taking the terrorists' heat?
                                > >
                                > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                                > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                                > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > > Sure it was a foolish decision.
                                > > >
                                > > > But we need to deal with the decision.
                                > > >
                                > > > Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to
                                > > > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men
                                > > > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to flourish.
                                > > > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
                                > > >
                                > > > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
                                > > > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and interested
                                > > > in not being exterminated by hate mongering Islamic
                                > > > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
                                > > >
                                > > > Kevin S.
                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
                                > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Okay, Kevin,
                                > > >
                                > > > Right now! Make the case that the United States
                                > > > will
                                > > > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
                                > > > against
                                > > > Israel equals force against the US.
                                > > >
                                > > > Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
                                > > > support in its creation?
                                > > >
                                > > > What are the specific reasons we should support
                                > > > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
                                > > > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to
                                > > > say,
                                > > > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"
                                > > >
                                > > > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
                                > > > should be no limit to the risks we should endure
                                > > > to
                                > > > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
                                > > > your argument.
                                > > >
                                > > > Simply, I feel that the United States comes first,
                                > > > as
                                > > > long as we do not use force against others. When
                                > > > attacked we should respond with a Declaration of
                                > > > War
                                > > > and with all the force required to remove 100% of
                                > > > the
                                > > > threat. Nation building after the fact is
                                > > > something we
                                > > > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are
                                > > > left
                                > > > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
                                > > > rebuild. I
                                > > > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
                                > > > unbridled
                                > > > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
                                > > > destroy
                                > > > the US. The terrorist organizations which desire
                                > > > it
                                > > > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
                                > > > reasonable list of complaints.
                                > > >
                                > > > It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
                                > > > while promoting endless US intervention throughout
                                > > > the
                                > > > world against these few groups.
                                > > >
                                > > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                                > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                                > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>>
                                > > > wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
                                > > > force
                                > > > > is applied to us and our interests we need to
                                > > > > respond.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
                                > > > things
                                > > > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Kevin S.
                                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                > > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
                                > > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > The response should be Israeli, not American.
                                > > > What
                                > > > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
                                > > > Israel
                                > > > > has
                                > > > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
                                > > > > Why
                                > > > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
                                > > > > escalate
                                > > > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
                                > > > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
                                > > > > nuclear
                                > > > > winter?
                                > > > >
                                > > > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
                                > > > > support
                                > > > > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest?
                                > > > We
                                > > > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate
                                > > > to
                                > > > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
                                > > > > refuses to
                                > > > > negotiate?
                                > > > >
                                > > > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should
                                > > > act
                                > > > > like
                                > > > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
                                > > > > compromise for a renewed peace?
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Iran = EVIL
                                > > > > Israel = GOOD
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I only wish it was so simple.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
                                > > > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
                                > > > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
                                > > > > survival before risking it all over allies which
                                > > > > do
                                > > > > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > It is time to bring our troops home and to end
                                > > > all
                                > > > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
                                > > > > others to
                                > > > > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer
                                > > > the
                                > > > > same to them.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
                                > > > > response to our declaration they are evil and
                                > > > > invading
                                > > > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
                                > > > > back
                                > > > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
                                > > > > bubble,
                                > > > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
                                > > > > logically
                                > > > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...
                                > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                                > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
                                > > > > Israel
                                > > > > > again today.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
                                > > > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
                                > > > > U.S.
                                > > > > > response?
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
                                > > > > Holocost is
                                > > > > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
                                > > > > > observers?
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Just curious.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Kevin S.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                                > > > > > removed]
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Joe Kexel
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > __________________________________________________________
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                                > <http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091>>
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                                > > > > removed]
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Joe Kexel
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > __________________________________________________________
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                                > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
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                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > Joe Kexel
                                > >
                                > > __________________________________________________________
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                                > |
                                > | It is conveniently ignored that the
                                > | only authentic way to best support the
                                > | troops is to keep them out of
                                > | dangerous, undeclared, no-win wars
                                > | that are politically inspired.
                                > | Sending troops off to war for reasons
                                > | that are not truly related to national
                                > | security and, for that matter, may
                                > | even damage our security, is hardly a
                                > | way to patriotically support the
                                > | troops.
                                > | Congressman Dr. Ron Paul, R-TX
                                > |
                                > | In His Grip:
                                > | Stephen J. Baker
                                > | A (Moderately) humble servant of Jesus
                                > |________________________________________
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                                |
                                | It is conveniently ignored that the
                                | only authentic way to best support the
                                | troops is to keep them out of
                                | dangerous, undeclared, no-win wars
                                | that are politically inspired.
                                | Sending troops off to war for reasons
                                | that are not truly related to national
                                | security and, for that matter, may
                                | even damage our security, is hardly a
                                | way to patriotically support the
                                | troops.
                                | Congressman Dr. Ron Paul, R-TX
                                |
                                | In His Grip:
                                | Stephen J. Baker
                                | A (Moderately) humble servant of Jesus
                                |________________________________________
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                              • Jim Maas
                                [Withdrawing and embracing isolationism will NOT make terrorism go away] The pejorative term, isolationism, was used by the crusading Left and the equally
                                Message 15 of 30 , Jun 4, 2007
                                  [Withdrawing and embracing isolationism will NOT make terrorism go away]
                                  "The pejorative term, "isolationism," was used
                                  by the crusading Left and the equally crusading Right to dismiss
                                  the Old Right's foreign policy. (non-interventionism)"
                                  http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north365.html Non-Intervention and Its Discontents


                                  Jim Maas
                                  "I never hurt nobody but myself and that's nobody's business but my own." -- Billie Holiday





                                  ----- Original Message ----
                                  From: Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...>
                                  To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Monday, June 4, 2007 6:12:15 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president

                                  Withdrawing and embracing isolationism will NOT make terrorism go away, it will only allow it to gather steam.

                                  RADICAL ISLAM HAS DECLARED WAR ON US. It is a moot point whether our government caused it. We canot ignore that fact. 9/11 happened when we continued to ignore that fact in the 1990's.

                                  Kevin S.





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                                • Rolf Lindgren
                                  breaking news!! I have a report, that will be all over the internet tomorrow, that Senator Joseph Biden had meetings with the Pakistani Intelligence General
                                  Message 16 of 30 , Jun 4, 2007
                                    breaking news!!

                                    I have a report, that will be all over the internet tomorrow, that Senator Joseph Biden had meetings with the Pakistani Intelligence General (Mahmood - ISI) and Biden admitted that the General had $100,000 wired to Mohammed Atta on September 10, 2001.

                                    Biden apparantly said he "told the General not to do it".

                                    Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:
                                    Because we meet them in their backyard, not ours!

                                    Clinton's policy was to NOT meet them in thier backyard even after the first trade center bombing. Radical Islam declared war on us during the Clinton administration.

                                    His response was weak and Carter-like. Same with the embassy bombings, and the attack on the USS Cole.
                                    .
                                    Kevin S.
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: Stephen J. Baker
                                    To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:40 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president

                                    All the More Reason to Strengthen our Defenses at Home, to Protect OUR
                                    OWN BACK YARD!

                                    Why do you insist on Protecting everyone else's back yard, instead?

                                    Kevin S wrote:

                                    > RADICAL ISLAM HAS DECLARED WAR ON US.
                                    >
                                    > Kevin S.
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: Stephen J. Baker
                                    > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:21 PM
                                    > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                    >
                                    > Must I remind you that the fight has ALREADY come to our Shores and
                                    > that it was IN RESPONSE to the US Government's Involvement in the Middle
                                    > East?
                                    >
                                    > By staying involved -- and by Psychos like you supporting said
                                    > Involvement -- It pretty much GUARANTEES that there will be another 9/11
                                    > -- and that it's only a matter of time.
                                    >
                                    > Kevin Scheunemann wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > To abandon Israel as an ally would send the message that America is
                                    > > not willing to stomach a fight.
                                    > >
                                    > > Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3 things happens:
                                    > >
                                    > > 1.) Everyone is Muslim.
                                    > > 2.) Everyone who is non-Muslim is dead (can be combined with #1).
                                    > > 3.) Or someone stands up to the aggression and evil of radical Islam
                                    > > and destroys it.
                                    > >
                                    > > I choose #3 as a matter of self defense and national defense.
                                    > >
                                    > > If we abandon our friends, we make #3 that much harder. We will bring
                                    > > the fight to our shores, that has disastrous consequences.
                                    > >
                                    > > Kevin S.
                                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                    > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:56 PM
                                    > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                    > >
                                    > > What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with this?
                                    > > Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low blow!
                                    > >
                                    > > My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws, but
                                    > > please answer why we should risk America over Israel?
                                    > >
                                    > > You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
                                    > > foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept that
                                    > > and move onto preserving America?
                                    > >
                                    > > Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland in
                                    > > Palestine, a location without such a state for
                                    > > thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously all
                                    > > over the world and they do just that. Why must we
                                    > > support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
                                    > > Israel? It is that very notion which has festered so
                                    > > much hate for the US throughout the middle east.
                                    > >
                                    > > I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little that
                                    > > makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel above
                                    > > the needs of our own nation.
                                    > >
                                    > > If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to figure
                                    > > out how to make a lasting peace. It may require giving
                                    > > back land. If, they are not willing to do that, why
                                    > > must we stand beside them taking the terrorists' heat?
                                    > >
                                    > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                                    > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                                    > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > > Sure it was a foolish decision.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > But we need to deal with the decision.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to
                                    > > > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men
                                    > > > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to flourish.
                                    > > > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
                                    > > > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and interested
                                    > > > in not being exterminated by hate mongering Islamic
                                    > > > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Kevin S.
                                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                    > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Okay, Kevin,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Right now! Make the case that the United States
                                    > > > will
                                    > > > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
                                    > > > against
                                    > > > Israel equals force against the US.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
                                    > > > support in its creation?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > What are the specific reasons we should support
                                    > > > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
                                    > > > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to
                                    > > > say,
                                    > > > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
                                    > > > should be no limit to the risks we should endure
                                    > > > to
                                    > > > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
                                    > > > your argument.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Simply, I feel that the United States comes first,
                                    > > > as
                                    > > > long as we do not use force against others. When
                                    > > > attacked we should respond with a Declaration of
                                    > > > War
                                    > > > and with all the force required to remove 100% of
                                    > > > the
                                    > > > threat. Nation building after the fact is
                                    > > > something we
                                    > > > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are
                                    > > > left
                                    > > > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
                                    > > > rebuild. I
                                    > > > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
                                    > > > unbridled
                                    > > > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
                                    > > > destroy
                                    > > > the US. The terrorist organizations which desire
                                    > > > it
                                    > > > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
                                    > > > reasonable list of complaints.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
                                    > > > while promoting endless US intervention throughout
                                    > > > the
                                    > > > world against these few groups.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                                    > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                                    > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>>
                                    > > > wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
                                    > > > force
                                    > > > > is applied to us and our interests we need to
                                    > > > > respond.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
                                    > > > things
                                    > > > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Kevin S.
                                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                    > > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
                                    > > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > The response should be Israeli, not American.
                                    > > > What
                                    > > > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
                                    > > > Israel
                                    > > > > has
                                    > > > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
                                    > > > > Why
                                    > > > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
                                    > > > > escalate
                                    > > > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
                                    > > > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
                                    > > > > nuclear
                                    > > > > winter?
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
                                    > > > > support
                                    > > > > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest?
                                    > > > We
                                    > > > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate
                                    > > > to
                                    > > > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
                                    > > > > refuses to
                                    > > > > negotiate?
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should
                                    > > > act
                                    > > > > like
                                    > > > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
                                    > > > > compromise for a renewed peace?
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Iran = EVIL
                                    > > > > Israel = GOOD
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > I only wish it was so simple.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
                                    > > > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
                                    > > > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
                                    > > > > survival before risking it all over allies which
                                    > > > > do
                                    > > > > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > It is time to bring our troops home and to end
                                    > > > all
                                    > > > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
                                    > > > > others to
                                    > > > > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer
                                    > > > the
                                    > > > > same to them.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
                                    > > > > response to our declaration they are evil and
                                    > > > > invading
                                    > > > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
                                    > > > > back
                                    > > > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
                                    > > > > bubble,
                                    > > > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
                                    > > > > logically
                                    > > > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...
                                    > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                                    > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
                                    > > > > Israel
                                    > > > > > again today.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
                                    > > > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
                                    > > > > U.S.
                                    > > > > > response?
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
                                    > > > > Holocost is
                                    > > > > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
                                    > > > > > observers?
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Just curious.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Kevin S.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                                    > > > > > removed]
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Joe Kexel
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
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                                    > > <http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091
                                    > <http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091>>
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                                    > > > > removed]
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Joe Kexel
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > __________________________________________________________
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                                    > > > that gives answers, not web links.
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                                    > >
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                                    > |
                                    > | It is conveniently ignored that the
                                    > | only authentic way to best support the
                                    > | troops is to keep them out of
                                    > | dangerous, undeclared, no-win wars
                                    > | that are politically inspired.
                                    > | Sending troops off to war for reasons
                                    > | that are not truly related to national
                                    > | security and, for that matter, may
                                    > | even damage our security, is hardly a
                                    > | way to patriotically support the
                                    > | troops.
                                    > | Congressman Dr. Ron Paul, R-TX
                                    > |
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                                  • Bruce Rideout
                                    Read the words of a man who will explain Zionist, the ever shifting degree of holocaust, and why blind irrational support for all that is Israel will be our
                                    Message 17 of 30 , Jun 4, 2007
                                      Read the words of a man who will explain Zionist, the ever shifting degree of holocaust, and why blind irrational support for all that is Israel will be our downfall. Amongst other equally destructive policies.

                                      http://www.rense.com/general34/amaz.htm

                                      Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote: Sure it was a foolish decision.

                                      But we need to deal with the decision.

                                      Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to flourish. We could do the same with I'manutjob.

                                      What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an interest in survival. If I'm jewish and interested in not being exterminated by hate mongering Islamic Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?

                                      Kevin S.
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: Joseph Kexel
                                      To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president

                                      Okay, Kevin,

                                      Right now! Make the case that the United States will
                                      fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force against
                                      Israel equals force against the US.

                                      Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
                                      support in its creation?

                                      What are the specific reasons we should support
                                      Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
                                      destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to say,
                                      "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"

                                      I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
                                      should be no limit to the risks we should endure to
                                      maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
                                      your argument.

                                      Simply, I feel that the United States comes first, as
                                      long as we do not use force against others. When
                                      attacked we should respond with a Declaration of War
                                      and with all the force required to remove 100% of the
                                      threat. Nation building after the fact is something we
                                      do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are left
                                      as a pile of ash, there will be no need to rebuild. I
                                      am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only unbridled
                                      defense. Few nations are capable or eager to destroy
                                      the US. The terrorist organizations which desire it
                                      are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
                                      reasonable list of complaints.

                                      It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
                                      while promoting endless US intervention throughout the
                                      world against these few groups.

                                      --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:

                                      > You do sound callous. My point is that when force
                                      > is applied to us and our interests we need to
                                      > respond.
                                      >
                                      > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make things
                                      > worse 20-30 years down the road.
                                      >
                                      > Kevin S.
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: Joseph Kexel
                                      > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
                                      > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > The response should be Israeli, not American. What
                                      > part of sovereignty do you not understand? Israel
                                      > has
                                      > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
                                      > Why
                                      > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
                                      > escalate
                                      > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
                                      > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
                                      > nuclear
                                      > winter?
                                      >
                                      > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
                                      > support
                                      > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest? We
                                      > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate to
                                      > support a nation who after taking Arab land
                                      > refuses to
                                      > negotiate?
                                      >
                                      > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should act
                                      > like
                                      > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
                                      >
                                      > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
                                      > compromise for a renewed peace?
                                      >
                                      > Iran = EVIL
                                      > Israel = GOOD
                                      >
                                      > I only wish it was so simple.
                                      >
                                      > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
                                      > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
                                      > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
                                      > survival before risking it all over allies which
                                      > do
                                      > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
                                      >
                                      > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
                                      >
                                      > It is time to bring our troops home and to end all
                                      > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
                                      > others to
                                      > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer the
                                      > same to them.
                                      >
                                      > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
                                      > response to our declaration they are evil and
                                      > invading
                                      > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
                                      > back
                                      > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
                                      > bubble,
                                      > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
                                      > logically
                                      > to the threat of an advancing empire.
                                      >
                                      > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
                                      > Israel
                                      > > again today.
                                      > >
                                      > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
                                      > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
                                      > >
                                      > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
                                      > U.S.
                                      > > response?
                                      > >
                                      > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
                                      > Holocost is
                                      > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
                                      > > observers?
                                      > >
                                      > > Just curious.
                                      > >
                                      > > Kevin S.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                                      > > removed]
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      > Joe Kexel
                                      >
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                                    • Bruce Rideout
                                      Kevin, that is utter bullshit. You want to be a tough guy, pick up a gun and go find your radical muslims and make your point. But your ridculous lies about
                                      Message 18 of 30 , Jun 4, 2007
                                        Kevin, that is utter bullshit. You want to be a tough guy, pick up a gun and go find your radical muslims and make your point. But your ridculous lies about the Muslim faith are shameless.

                                        Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote: To abandon Israel as an ally would send the message that America is not willing to stomach a fight.

                                        Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3 things happens:

                                        1.) Everyone is Muslim.
                                        2.) Everyone who is non-Muslim is dead (can be combined with #1).
                                        3.) Or someone stands up to the aggression and evil of radical Islam and destroys it.

                                        I choose #3 as a matter of self defense and national defense.

                                        If we abandon our friends, we make #3 that much harder. We will bring the fight to our shores, that has disastrous consequences.

                                        Kevin S.
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Joseph Kexel
                                        To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:56 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president

                                        What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with this?
                                        Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low blow!

                                        My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws, but
                                        please answer why we should risk America over Israel?

                                        You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
                                        foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept that
                                        and move onto preserving America?

                                        Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland in
                                        Palestine, a location without such a state for
                                        thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously all
                                        over the world and they do just that. Why must we
                                        support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
                                        Israel? It is that very notion which has festered so
                                        much hate for the US throughout the middle east.

                                        I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little that
                                        makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel above
                                        the needs of our own nation.

                                        If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to figure
                                        out how to make a lasting peace. It may require giving
                                        back land. If, they are not willing to do that, why
                                        must we stand beside them taking the terrorists' heat?

                                        --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:

                                        > Sure it was a foolish decision.
                                        >
                                        > But we need to deal with the decision.
                                        >
                                        > Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to
                                        > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men
                                        > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to flourish.
                                        > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
                                        >
                                        > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
                                        > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and interested
                                        > in not being exterminated by hate mongering Islamic
                                        > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
                                        >
                                        > Kevin S.
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: Joseph Kexel
                                        > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
                                        > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Okay, Kevin,
                                        >
                                        > Right now! Make the case that the United States
                                        > will
                                        > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
                                        > against
                                        > Israel equals force against the US.
                                        >
                                        > Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
                                        > support in its creation?
                                        >
                                        > What are the specific reasons we should support
                                        > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
                                        > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to
                                        > say,
                                        > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"
                                        >
                                        > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
                                        > should be no limit to the risks we should endure
                                        > to
                                        > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
                                        > your argument.
                                        >
                                        > Simply, I feel that the United States comes first,
                                        > as
                                        > long as we do not use force against others. When
                                        > attacked we should respond with a Declaration of
                                        > War
                                        > and with all the force required to remove 100% of
                                        > the
                                        > threat. Nation building after the fact is
                                        > something we
                                        > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are
                                        > left
                                        > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
                                        > rebuild. I
                                        > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
                                        > unbridled
                                        > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
                                        > destroy
                                        > the US. The terrorist organizations which desire
                                        > it
                                        > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
                                        > reasonable list of complaints.
                                        >
                                        > It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
                                        > while promoting endless US intervention throughout
                                        > the
                                        > world against these few groups.
                                        >
                                        > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...>
                                        > wrote:
                                        >
                                        > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
                                        > force
                                        > > is applied to us and our interests we need to
                                        > > respond.
                                        > >
                                        > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
                                        > things
                                        > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
                                        > >
                                        > > Kevin S.
                                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                        > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
                                        > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > The response should be Israeli, not American.
                                        > What
                                        > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
                                        > Israel
                                        > > has
                                        > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
                                        > > Why
                                        > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
                                        > > escalate
                                        > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
                                        > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
                                        > > nuclear
                                        > > winter?
                                        > >
                                        > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
                                        > > support
                                        > > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest?
                                        > We
                                        > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate
                                        > to
                                        > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
                                        > > refuses to
                                        > > negotiate?
                                        > >
                                        > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should
                                        > act
                                        > > like
                                        > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
                                        > >
                                        > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
                                        > > compromise for a renewed peace?
                                        > >
                                        > > Iran = EVIL
                                        > > Israel = GOOD
                                        > >
                                        > > I only wish it was so simple.
                                        > >
                                        > > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
                                        > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
                                        > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
                                        > > survival before risking it all over allies which
                                        > > do
                                        > > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
                                        > >
                                        > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
                                        > >
                                        > > It is time to bring our troops home and to end
                                        > all
                                        > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
                                        > > others to
                                        > > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer
                                        > the
                                        > > same to them.
                                        > >
                                        > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
                                        > > response to our declaration they are evil and
                                        > > invading
                                        > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
                                        > > back
                                        > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
                                        > > bubble,
                                        > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
                                        > > logically
                                        > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
                                        > >
                                        > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
                                        > > Israel
                                        > > > again today.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
                                        > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
                                        > > U.S.
                                        > > > response?
                                        > > >
                                        > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
                                        > > Holocost is
                                        > > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
                                        > > > observers?
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Just curious.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Kevin S.
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                                        > > > removed]
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Joe Kexel
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        >
                                        >
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                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
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                                        > >
                                        >
                                        > Joe Kexel
                                        >
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                                      • Bruce Rideout
                                        Kevin, you obviously are neither libertarian nor honest. You continue to ignore simple requests for rational comment and regurgitate long refuted lies in
                                        Message 19 of 30 , Jun 4, 2007
                                          Kevin, you obviously are neither libertarian nor honest. You continue to ignore simple requests for rational comment and regurgitate long refuted lies in virtually every post you make.

                                          Bruce

                                          Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote: Because we meet them in their backyard, not ours!

                                          Clinton's policy was to NOT meet them in thier backyard even after the first trade center bombing. Radical Islam declared war on us during the Clinton administration.

                                          His response was weak and Carter-like. Same with the embassy bombings, and the attack on the USS Cole.
                                          .
                                          Kevin S.
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: Stephen J. Baker
                                          To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:40 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president

                                          All the More Reason to Strengthen our Defenses at Home, to Protect OUR
                                          OWN BACK YARD!

                                          Why do you insist on Protecting everyone else's back yard, instead?

                                          Kevin S wrote:

                                          > RADICAL ISLAM HAS DECLARED WAR ON US.
                                          >
                                          > Kevin S.
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: Stephen J. Baker
                                          > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:21 PM
                                          > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                          >
                                          > Must I remind you that the fight has ALREADY come to our Shores and
                                          > that it was IN RESPONSE to the US Government's Involvement in the Middle
                                          > East?
                                          >
                                          > By staying involved -- and by Psychos like you supporting said
                                          > Involvement -- It pretty much GUARANTEES that there will be another 9/11
                                          > -- and that it's only a matter of time.
                                          >
                                          > Kevin Scheunemann wrote:
                                          >
                                          > > To abandon Israel as an ally would send the message that America is
                                          > > not willing to stomach a fight.
                                          > >
                                          > > Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3 things happens:
                                          > >
                                          > > 1.) Everyone is Muslim.
                                          > > 2.) Everyone who is non-Muslim is dead (can be combined with #1).
                                          > > 3.) Or someone stands up to the aggression and evil of radical Islam
                                          > > and destroys it.
                                          > >
                                          > > I choose #3 as a matter of self defense and national defense.
                                          > >
                                          > > If we abandon our friends, we make #3 that much harder. We will bring
                                          > > the fight to our shores, that has disastrous consequences.
                                          > >
                                          > > Kevin S.
                                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                          > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:56 PM
                                          > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                          > >
                                          > > What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with this?
                                          > > Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low blow!
                                          > >
                                          > > My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws, but
                                          > > please answer why we should risk America over Israel?
                                          > >
                                          > > You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
                                          > > foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept that
                                          > > and move onto preserving America?
                                          > >
                                          > > Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland in
                                          > > Palestine, a location without such a state for
                                          > > thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously all
                                          > > over the world and they do just that. Why must we
                                          > > support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
                                          > > Israel? It is that very notion which has festered so
                                          > > much hate for the US throughout the middle east.
                                          > >
                                          > > I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little that
                                          > > makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel above
                                          > > the needs of our own nation.
                                          > >
                                          > > If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to figure
                                          > > out how to make a lasting peace. It may require giving
                                          > > back land. If, they are not willing to do that, why
                                          > > must we stand beside them taking the terrorists' heat?
                                          > >
                                          > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                                          > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                                          > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > > Sure it was a foolish decision.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > But we need to deal with the decision.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to
                                          > > > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men
                                          > > > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to flourish.
                                          > > > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
                                          > > > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and interested
                                          > > > in not being exterminated by hate mongering Islamic
                                          > > > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Kevin S.
                                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                          > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
                                          > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Okay, Kevin,
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Right now! Make the case that the United States
                                          > > > will
                                          > > > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
                                          > > > against
                                          > > > Israel equals force against the US.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
                                          > > > support in its creation?
                                          > > >
                                          > > > What are the specific reasons we should support
                                          > > > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
                                          > > > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to
                                          > > > say,
                                          > > > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"
                                          > > >
                                          > > > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
                                          > > > should be no limit to the risks we should endure
                                          > > > to
                                          > > > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
                                          > > > your argument.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Simply, I feel that the United States comes first,
                                          > > > as
                                          > > > long as we do not use force against others. When
                                          > > > attacked we should respond with a Declaration of
                                          > > > War
                                          > > > and with all the force required to remove 100% of
                                          > > > the
                                          > > > threat. Nation building after the fact is
                                          > > > something we
                                          > > > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are
                                          > > > left
                                          > > > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
                                          > > > rebuild. I
                                          > > > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
                                          > > > unbridled
                                          > > > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
                                          > > > destroy
                                          > > > the US. The terrorist organizations which desire
                                          > > > it
                                          > > > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
                                          > > > reasonable list of complaints.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
                                          > > > while promoting endless US intervention throughout
                                          > > > the
                                          > > > world against these few groups.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                                          > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                                          > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>>
                                          > > > wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
                                          > > > force
                                          > > > > is applied to us and our interests we need to
                                          > > > > respond.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
                                          > > > things
                                          > > > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Kevin S.
                                          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                          > > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
                                          > > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > The response should be Israeli, not American.
                                          > > > What
                                          > > > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
                                          > > > Israel
                                          > > > > has
                                          > > > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
                                          > > > > Why
                                          > > > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
                                          > > > > escalate
                                          > > > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
                                          > > > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
                                          > > > > nuclear
                                          > > > > winter?
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
                                          > > > > support
                                          > > > > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest?
                                          > > > We
                                          > > > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate
                                          > > > to
                                          > > > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
                                          > > > > refuses to
                                          > > > > negotiate?
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should
                                          > > > act
                                          > > > > like
                                          > > > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
                                          > > > > compromise for a renewed peace?
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Iran = EVIL
                                          > > > > Israel = GOOD
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > I only wish it was so simple.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
                                          > > > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
                                          > > > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
                                          > > > > survival before risking it all over allies which
                                          > > > > do
                                          > > > > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > It is time to bring our troops home and to end
                                          > > > all
                                          > > > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
                                          > > > > others to
                                          > > > > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer
                                          > > > the
                                          > > > > same to them.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
                                          > > > > response to our declaration they are evil and
                                          > > > > invading
                                          > > > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
                                          > > > > back
                                          > > > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
                                          > > > > bubble,
                                          > > > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
                                          > > > > logically
                                          > > > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...
                                          > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                                          > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
                                          > > > > Israel
                                          > > > > > again today.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
                                          > > > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
                                          > > > > U.S.
                                          > > > > > response?
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
                                          > > > > Holocost is
                                          > > > > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
                                          > > > > > observers?
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Just curious.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Kevin S.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                                          > > > > > removed]
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Joe Kexel
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > >
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                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
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                                          > > >
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                                          > | It is conveniently ignored that the
                                          > | only authentic way to best support the
                                          > | troops is to keep them out of
                                          > | dangerous, undeclared, no-win wars
                                          > | that are politically inspired.
                                          > | Sending troops off to war for reasons
                                          > | that are not truly related to national
                                          > | security and, for that matter, may
                                          > | even damage our security, is hardly a
                                          > | way to patriotically support the
                                          > | troops.
                                          > | Congressman Dr. Ron Paul, R-TX
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                                          | only authentic way to best support the
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                                          | that are politically inspired.
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                                          | security and, for that matter, may
                                          | even damage our security, is hardly a
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                                          | troops.
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                                          |
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                                        • Kevin S
                                          You just proved my point on why Libertarian s can t get votes. People perceive radical Islam, for good reason, as a threat to their liberty and property. When
                                          Message 20 of 30 , Jun 5, 2007
                                            You just proved my point on why Libertarian's can't get votes.

                                            People perceive radical Islam, for good reason, as a threat to their liberty and property.

                                            When they want the government to defend them, you respond with an obscure history lesson on how Radical Islam is the government's fault and you want the government to bring the war home to our own backyard. I'manutjob calling for the destruction of another country does not sit wel with many Americans and they will side with our "corrupt" govrnment before they side with him and surrender.

                                            Americans' perceive it as you blaming them for radical Islam. They don't want to hear such nonsense. You can keep preaching it, but it will help keep the party an obscure footnote in history.

                                            That's the honest point.

                                            Kevin S.

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: Bruce Rideout
                                            To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:49 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president


                                            Kevin, you obviously are neither libertarian nor honest. You continue to ignore simple requests for rational comment and regurgitate long refuted lies in virtually every post you make.

                                            Bruce

                                            Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote: Because we meet them in their backyard, not ours!

                                            Clinton's policy was to NOT meet them in thier backyard even after the first trade center bombing. Radical Islam declared war on us during the Clinton administration.

                                            His response was weak and Carter-like. Same with the embassy bombings, and the attack on the USS Cole.
                                            .
                                            Kevin S.
                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: Stephen J. Baker
                                            To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:40 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president

                                            All the More Reason to Strengthen our Defenses at Home, to Protect OUR
                                            OWN BACK YARD!

                                            Why do you insist on Protecting everyone else's back yard, instead?

                                            Kevin S wrote:

                                            > RADICAL ISLAM HAS DECLARED WAR ON US.
                                            >
                                            > Kevin S.
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: Stephen J. Baker
                                            > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:21 PM
                                            > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                            >
                                            > Must I remind you that the fight has ALREADY come to our Shores and
                                            > that it was IN RESPONSE to the US Government's Involvement in the Middle
                                            > East?
                                            >
                                            > By staying involved -- and by Psychos like you supporting said
                                            > Involvement -- It pretty much GUARANTEES that there will be another 9/11
                                            > -- and that it's only a matter of time.
                                            >
                                            > Kevin Scheunemann wrote:
                                            >
                                            > > To abandon Israel as an ally would send the message that America is
                                            > > not willing to stomach a fight.
                                            > >
                                            > > Radical Islam will not stop until one of 3 things happens:
                                            > >
                                            > > 1.) Everyone is Muslim.
                                            > > 2.) Everyone who is non-Muslim is dead (can be combined with #1).
                                            > > 3.) Or someone stands up to the aggression and evil of radical Islam
                                            > > and destroys it.
                                            > >
                                            > > I choose #3 as a matter of self defense and national defense.
                                            > >
                                            > > If we abandon our friends, we make #3 that much harder. We will bring
                                            > > the fight to our shores, that has disastrous consequences.
                                            > >
                                            > > Kevin S.
                                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                            > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:56 PM
                                            > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                            > >
                                            > > What the hell does Adolf Hitler have to do with this?
                                            > > Are you implying I am anti-semitic? What a low blow!
                                            > >
                                            > > My wife is Jewish, I have tons of Jewish in-laws, but
                                            > > please answer why we should risk America over Israel?
                                            > >
                                            > > You seemed to imply the formation of Israel was
                                            > > foolish. So, how far do we go before we accept that
                                            > > and move onto preserving America?
                                            > >
                                            > > Zionist means those who desire a Jewish homeland in
                                            > > Palestine, a location without such a state for
                                            > > thousands of years. Jews may live prosperously all
                                            > > over the world and they do just that. Why must we
                                            > > support the destruction of Palestine in favor of
                                            > > Israel? It is that very notion which has festered so
                                            > > much hate for the US throughout the middle east.
                                            > >
                                            > > I have heard much from you, Kevin, but little that
                                            > > makes me agree with the need to sustain Israel above
                                            > > the needs of our own nation.
                                            > >
                                            > > If, Israel is to survive, it is up to them to figure
                                            > > out how to make a lasting peace. It may require giving
                                            > > back land. If, they are not willing to do that, why
                                            > > must we stand beside them taking the terrorists' heat?
                                            > >
                                            > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                                            > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                                            > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > > Sure it was a foolish decision.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > But we need to deal with the decision.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Unless, of course, you are interested in helping to
                                            > > > fulfill Hitler's dream 65 years later. Good men
                                            > > > doing nothing helped the evil of Hitler to flourish.
                                            > > > We could do the same with I'manutjob.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > What does "Zionist" even mean? Everyone has an
                                            > > > interest in survival. If I'm jewish and interested
                                            > > > in not being exterminated by hate mongering Islamic
                                            > > > Radicals, that makes me "Zionist"?
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Kevin S.
                                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                            > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:21 PM
                                            > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Okay, Kevin,
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Right now! Make the case that the United States
                                            > > > will
                                            > > > fall, if Israel falls? Make a case that force
                                            > > > against
                                            > > > Israel equals force against the US.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Why is Israel our interest other than our foolish
                                            > > > support in its creation?
                                            > > >
                                            > > > What are the specific reasons we should support
                                            > > > Israel, even if it leads to our and the worlds
                                            > > > destruction? What would it take for a Zionist to
                                            > > > say,
                                            > > > "Whoa, that is too much to risk for a Zion state?"
                                            > > >
                                            > > > I ask you to sell me on Israel. Explain that there
                                            > > > should be no limit to the risks we should endure
                                            > > > to
                                            > > > maintain it. Then find a Constitutional reason for
                                            > > > your argument.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Simply, I feel that the United States comes first,
                                            > > > as
                                            > > > long as we do not use force against others. When
                                            > > > attacked we should respond with a Declaration of
                                            > > > War
                                            > > > and with all the force required to remove 100% of
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > threat. Nation building after the fact is
                                            > > > something we
                                            > > > do at our discretion. If, those who attack us are
                                            > > > left
                                            > > > as a pile of ash, there will be no need to
                                            > > > rebuild. I
                                            > > > am not suggesting unbridled aggression, only
                                            > > > unbridled
                                            > > > defense. Few nations are capable or eager to
                                            > > > destroy
                                            > > > the US. The terrorist organizations which desire
                                            > > > it
                                            > > > are left to asymmetric warfare with at least a
                                            > > > reasonable list of complaints.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > It seems foolish to ignore the list of grievances
                                            > > > while promoting endless US intervention throughout
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > world against these few groups.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- Kevin Scheunemann <Kewaskumdq@...
                                            > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                                            > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>>
                                            > > > wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > You do sound callous. My point is that when
                                            > > > force
                                            > > > > is applied to us and our interests we need to
                                            > > > > respond.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Not take the Jimmy Carter approach and make
                                            > > > things
                                            > > > > worse 20-30 years down the road.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Kevin S.
                                            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > From: Joseph Kexel
                                            > > > > To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > <mailto:lpwi%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:11 PM
                                            > > > > Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > The response should be Israeli, not American.
                                            > > > What
                                            > > > > part of sovereignty do you not understand?
                                            > > > Israel
                                            > > > > has
                                            > > > > enough nukes to vaporize Iran into a stone age.
                                            > > > > Why
                                            > > > > must we instantaneously intervene? Should we
                                            > > > > escalate
                                            > > > > it until full thermo-nuclear war destroys 90% of
                                            > > > > humanity with the rest likely to die in a long
                                            > > > > nuclear
                                            > > > > winter?
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > So, you are a gung ho Zionist, too? We should
                                            > > > > support
                                            > > > > Israel, even if it is not in our best interest?
                                            > > > We
                                            > > > > should incur unnecessary debt and Islamic hate
                                            > > > to
                                            > > > > support a nation who after taking Arab land
                                            > > > > refuses to
                                            > > > > negotiate?
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > If, Israel wishes to live in peace, it should
                                            > > > act
                                            > > > > like
                                            > > > > its neighbor's have the right to exist, too.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Why is it not in the best interest of Israel to
                                            > > > > compromise for a renewed peace?
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Iran = EVIL
                                            > > > > Israel = GOOD
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > I only wish it was so simple.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > I hate to sound callous, but the vaporization of
                                            > > > > Jerusalem is not the same as the bombing of
                                            > > > > Washington, DC. Americans must stand for our own
                                            > > > > survival before risking it all over allies which
                                            > > > > do
                                            > > > > not take our advice and actively spy upon us.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > If, Israel is our friend, who needs enemies.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > It is time to bring our troops home and to end
                                            > > > all
                                            > > > > foreign aid, especially weapons. If, we wish
                                            > > > > others to
                                            > > > > treat us with respect and peace, we must offer
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > > same to them.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Iran and Korea stepped up their nuke programs in
                                            > > > > response to our declaration they are evil and
                                            > > > > invading
                                            > > > > Iraq. What would you do in that situation? Sit
                                            > > > > back
                                            > > > > and await invasion? I hate to burst your myth
                                            > > > > bubble,
                                            > > > > but many "evil" countries are acting quite
                                            > > > > logically
                                            > > > > to the threat of an advancing empire.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > --- Kevin S <Kewaskumdq@...
                                            > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>
                                            > > <mailto:Kewaskumdq%40charter.net>> wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > > He, once again, called for the destruction of
                                            > > > > Israel
                                            > > > > > again today.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > He said the "Countdown" has begun. To me, it
                                            > > > > > sounds like he has the bomb and will use it.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > If he drops it on Israel, what should be the
                                            > > > > U.S.
                                            > > > > > response?
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > If the answer is nothing, the 2nd Jewish
                                            > > > > Holocost is
                                            > > > > > OK to occur because we want to be uninterested
                                            > > > > > observers?
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Just curious.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Kevin S.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
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                                            > > > > > removed]
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Joe Kexel
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > >
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                                            > | It is conveniently ignored that the
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                                            > | troops is to keep them out of
                                            > | dangerous, undeclared, no-win wars
                                            > | that are politically inspired.
                                            > | Sending troops off to war for reasons
                                            > | that are not truly related to national
                                            > | security and, for that matter, may
                                            > | even damage our security, is hardly a
                                            > | way to patriotically support the
                                            > | troops.
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                                            | It is conveniently ignored that the
                                            | only authentic way to best support the
                                            | troops is to keep them out of
                                            | dangerous, undeclared, no-win wars
                                            | that are politically inspired.
                                            | Sending troops off to war for reasons
                                            | that are not truly related to national
                                            | security and, for that matter, may
                                            | even damage our security, is hardly a
                                            | way to patriotically support the
                                            | troops.
                                            | Congressman Dr. Ron Paul, R-TX
                                            |
                                            | In His Grip:
                                            | Stephen J. Baker
                                            | A (Moderately) humble servant of Jesus
                                            |________________________________________
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                                          • libertykenneth@sbcglobal.net
                                            ... From: Kevin S To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I manutjob president and they will side with our
                                            Message 21 of 30 , Jun 5, 2007
                                              ----- Original Message -----
                                              From: Kevin S
                                              To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:55 AM
                                              Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president


                                              and they will side with our "corrupt" govrnment before they side with him and surrender.

                                              Kevin,

                                              I have refrained from trying to communicate with you for over a year now, because it seemed it would be so fruitless-so many Wisconsin Libertarians wasting their time on you. But the statement above prompted me to try.

                                              This statement shows that you see the world from a logically fallacious position of the false dichotomy, the "either-or" proposition.

                                              Your either with or us or against us, your either for the radical muslims or the imperial US govt.

                                              But what Libertarians understand, Kevin, (and an increasing majority of Americans) is that there are other answers then the lessor-- of- two-evils world you describe. There is a different way. It doesn't matter that the radical muslims are more evil than the US govt. It doesn't necessarily mean that a rational person has to choose one side. How about an alternative view of the world that doesn't have to create bogeymen to fight in the first place just to show that we can be macho to the world. How about, for the first time, a foreign policy that leads by example, trade, communication, rather than force. If the US did that, the radical muslims would be reduce to the marginal crazies that they are.



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                                            • Kevin S
                                              Logic does not mattter many times in the world of politics. It may be a valid point, but voters are not pure academic theorists on logic. kevin S. ... From:
                                              Message 22 of 30 , Jun 5, 2007
                                                Logic does not mattter many times in the world of politics.

                                                It may be a valid point, but voters are not pure academic theorists on logic.

                                                kevin S.
                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: libertykenneth@...
                                                To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:11 AM
                                                Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president


                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: Kevin S
                                                To: lpwi@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:55 AM
                                                Subject: Re: [LPWI] Iranian I'manutjob president

                                                and they will side with our "corrupt" govrnment before they side with him and surrender.

                                                Kevin,

                                                I have refrained from trying to communicate with you for over a year now, because it seemed it would be so fruitless-so many Wisconsin Libertarians wasting their time on you. But the statement above prompted me to try.

                                                This statement shows that you see the world from a logically fallacious position of the false dichotomy, the "either-or" proposition.

                                                Your either with or us or against us, your either for the radical muslims or the imperial US govt.

                                                But what Libertarians understand, Kevin, (and an increasing majority of Americans) is that there are other answers then the lessor-- of- two-evils world you describe. There is a different way. It doesn't matter that the radical muslims are more evil than the US govt. It doesn't necessarily mean that a rational person has to choose one side. How about an alternative view of the world that doesn't have to create bogeymen to fight in the first place just to show that we can be macho to the world. How about, for the first time, a foreign policy that leads by example, trade, communication, rather than force. If the US did that, the radical muslims would be reduce to the marginal crazies that they are.

                                                Ken Prazak

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                                              • Jim Maas
                                                ... sit wel with many Americans and they will side with our corrupt govrnment before they side with him and surrender. Iran hasn t threatened America.
                                                Message 23 of 30 , Jun 5, 2007
                                                  --- In lpwi@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin S" <Kewaskumdq@...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > I'manutjob calling for the destruction of another country does not
                                                  sit wel with many Americans and they will side with our "corrupt"
                                                  govrnment before they side with him and surrender.
                                                  Iran hasn't threatened America. (Israel is a separate country, more
                                                  than capable of defending themselves and more than willing to kill
                                                  Americans if they get in their way. Remember the Liberty.)

                                                  >
                                                  > [Clinton's] response was weak and Carter-like.

                                                  Interesting comparion of Bush and Carter in Reason Magazine online:
                                                  "Both men had life-altering religious experiences as adults, and both
                                                  profited from the support of evangelicals. Both campaigned in favor
                                                  of a more modest foreign policy. Bush's 2000 declaration that we
                                                  should be "a humble nation" echoed what Carter said in 1976: 'A
                                                  strong nation, like a strong person, can afford to be gentle, firm,
                                                  thoughtful and restrained.'
                                                  "Once in office, though, their restraint abated. In its place emerged
                                                  a messianic dream of remaking the world in our image. The former
                                                  thought we could spread democracy and human rights by moral suasion.
                                                  The latter thought we could spread democracy and human rights by
                                                  invasion. They were surprised by the world's resistance to reform."
                                                  http://www.reason.com/news/show/120477.html

                                                  Jim Maas
                                                • Joseph Kexel
                                                  Bruce Rideout said--- --Read the words of a man who will explain Zionist, the --ever shifting degree of holocaust, and why blind --irrational support for all
                                                  Message 24 of 30 , Jun 6, 2007
                                                    Bruce Rideout said---

                                                    --Read the words of a man who will explain Zionist,
                                                    the --ever shifting degree of holocaust, and why blind
                                                    --irrational support for all that is Israel will be
                                                    our --downfall. Amongst other equally destructive
                                                    policies.

                                                    --http://www.rense.com/general34/amaz.htm

                                                    That referenced article was written by someone that
                                                    had an ax to grind with Judaism. He was a defector.
                                                    That does not mean that it is all false, but that it
                                                    may be biased.

                                                    I have had family members which were less than
                                                    positive regarding Jews. I would say that they were
                                                    somewhat anti-semitic. They often referenced their
                                                    fathers beliefs and that would place such feelings in
                                                    Germany during the middle 1800s. I doubt all Jews were
                                                    as welcome in Germany before the "Zionist sellout" as
                                                    this article stated.

                                                    The "Kol Nidre" is taken out of context. It would be
                                                    like claiming Christians are cannibals due to the
                                                    Eucharistic teachings of those faiths.

                                                    The Khazar issue is somewhat over blown. Though, some
                                                    modern Jews may have that lineage, it does not prove
                                                    that nearly all are not direct descendants of the
                                                    original Judea residents.

                                                    Even, with the correct ancestry, I would not agree
                                                    with Zionists that stealing land and making a country
                                                    based on ancient history is a wise way to make
                                                    friends. It is obvious that was the seed of hatred in
                                                    that region which is the cause of the turmoil today.

                                                    I am not anti-Zion nor pro-Zion. I am just
                                                    pro-America. We do not need to resort to anti-semitic
                                                    writings to justify that Israel is a source of much
                                                    hostility, which is their problem, not ours. By making
                                                    it our problem we have put ourselves into the sights
                                                    of Islamic terrorists. The survival of Israel is up to
                                                    them. It is their peace to be made.





                                                    Joe Kexel



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                                                  • Bruce Rideout
                                                    Fair analysis Joe. I have an ax to grind with my government but that does not invalidate my criticism of it. In fact I think most here would agree that it is
                                                    Message 25 of 30 , Jun 8, 2007
                                                      Fair analysis Joe. I have an ax to grind with my government but that does not invalidate my criticism of it. In fact I think most here would agree that it is our patriotic duty to share our criticism with others. Just as Mr. Freedman did with Zionism.

                                                      All are welcome, encouraged, to check Mr. Freedmans facts for yourselves.

                                                      Bruce

                                                      Joseph Kexel <joe_kexel@...> wrote:
                                                      Bruce Rideout said---

                                                      --Read the words of a man who will explain Zionist,
                                                      the --ever shifting degree of holocaust, and why blind
                                                      --irrational support for all that is Israel will be
                                                      our --downfall. Amongst other equally destructive
                                                      policies.

                                                      --http://www.rense.com/general34/amaz.htm

                                                      That referenced article was written by someone that
                                                      had an ax to grind with Judaism. He was a defector.
                                                      That does not mean that it is all false, but that it
                                                      may be biased.

                                                      I have had family members which were less than
                                                      positive regarding Jews. I would say that they were
                                                      somewhat anti-semitic. They often referenced their
                                                      fathers beliefs and that would place such feelings in
                                                      Germany during the middle 1800s. I doubt all Jews were
                                                      as welcome in Germany before the "Zionist sellout" as
                                                      this article stated.

                                                      The "Kol Nidre" is taken out of context. It would be
                                                      like claiming Christians are cannibals due to the
                                                      Eucharistic teachings of those faiths.

                                                      The Khazar issue is somewhat over blown. Though, some
                                                      modern Jews may have that lineage, it does not prove
                                                      that nearly all are not direct descendants of the
                                                      original Judea residents.

                                                      Even, with the correct ancestry, I would not agree
                                                      with Zionists that stealing land and making a country
                                                      based on ancient history is a wise way to make
                                                      friends. It is obvious that was the seed of hatred in
                                                      that region which is the cause of the turmoil today.

                                                      I am not anti-Zion nor pro-Zion. I am just
                                                      pro-America. We do not need to resort to anti-semitic
                                                      writings to justify that Israel is a source of much
                                                      hostility, which is their problem, not ours. By making
                                                      it our problem we have put ourselves into the sights
                                                      of Islamic terrorists. The survival of Israel is up to
                                                      them. It is their peace to be made.

                                                      Joe Kexel

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                                                    • Joseph Kexel
                                                      Bruce Rideout posted-- Fair analysis Joe. I have an ax to grind with my government but that does not invalidate my criticism of it. In fact I think most here
                                                      Message 26 of 30 , Jun 8, 2007
                                                        Bruce Rideout posted--
                                                        Fair analysis Joe. I have an ax to grind with my
                                                        government but that does not invalidate my criticism
                                                        of it. In fact I think most here would agree that it
                                                        is our patriotic duty to share our criticism with
                                                        others. Just as Mr. Freedman did with Zionism.
                                                        ----------------------------------------------

                                                        I would agree that it is wise to have this information
                                                        available to discuss. We must be careful, though, not
                                                        to accept any extreme position at face value without
                                                        great evaluation. I would not believe everything the
                                                        PM of Israel had to say and figure the real truth is
                                                        somewhere in between the extremes.


                                                        Joe Kexel



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