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  • Howard Stelzer
    Phil offered some really good advice. Another thing to consider is: many people who publish out electronic music do it in thier spare time after work, from
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      Phil offered some really good advice. Another thing to consider is: many
      people who publish "out" electronic music do it in thier spare time after
      work, from thier bedroom or apartment. Submitting to a label like this isn't
      the same thing as getting a Geffen A&R guy to come to your band's gig with
      hopes of getting a three-album deal. The one-person company generally knows
      what they want to publish a year ahead of time, or else they started their
      label to publish thier own work, or the work of those artists they know
      already.

      Phil's advice to begin making a name for yourself by self-publishing is
      sound. It's cheap enough these days, and a label is more likely to want to
      publish an artist who they can see is out in the world working hard at
      getting thier music known. Go on tour! Play out a lot! Play with other
      people! Try to get onto compilations, perhaps! Eventually, your work will be
      distinctive, and will come to a label's attention at the right time. Until
      then, you'll have formed relationships, which is very important (and also
      part of the fun of playing music in public, and of being involved in a
      creative community).

      best,

      Howard Stelzer. Intransitive Recordings.
      www.intransitiverecordings.com

      COMING SOON:
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      >From: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
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      >To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [lowercase-sound] Digest Number 817
      >Date: 1 Oct 2001 10:35:13 -0000
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      >There are 6 messages in this issue.
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      >Topics in this digest:
      >
      > 1. submitting works to labels
      > From: "Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi" <noise@...>
      > 2. Re: submitting works to labels
      > From: "!IC�#�_I [�J}�" <hellomynameisphil@...>
      > 3. Air Driver @ Sparwasser HQ
      > From: ed osborn <edo@...>
      > 4. Fw: 2:13club October / 2:13 ���������
      > From: "absurd" <absurd@...>
      > 5. Re: submitting works to labels
      > From: "michael v farley" <the_beige_channel@...>
      > 6. Re: Montreal & Quebec City Shows/ Places to Visit??????
      > From: eo sharp/charles gagnon <eosam@...>
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      >Message: 1
      > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:36:38 -0500
      > From: "Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi" <noise@...>
      >Subject: submitting works to labels
      >
      > Hey all,
      >
      >Here is a question I hope members on this list can help me with. I�m
      >finally ready to start releasing (or at least submitting works to be
      >released) on/through a label. But I have no experience as to what the
      >procedure is. Do any of you have any experience submitting works etc to
      >labels, and have any practical advice. My work is varied, but is
      >electronic
      >for the most part�the aesthetic being avant guard�some easy to listen
      >to�some not exactly �pretty� :-) etc.
      >
      >Any insight is appreciated. Feel free to contact me directly
      >noise@... <mailto:noise@...> or to the list�this may be of
      >interest to others..thanx,
      >
      >Bill
      >
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      > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:07:01 +0000
      > From: "!IC�#�_I [�J}�" <hellomynameisphil@...>
      >Subject: Re: submitting works to labels
      >
      >hi bill,
      >
      >i've been going through the label-finding process myself as of late, so
      >maybe i can help you. i found it helpful to think of finding a label kind
      >of
      >like finding a job: be prepared for lots of rejections. indeed, you may
      >never find a label at all, or if you do, it may be "only" a small cdr label
      >that releases in limited editions of like 50. thats cool, and its a good
      >place to start. dont be afraid to send stuff to mille plateaux or whatever,
      >but dont have any expectation either that theyll release it. theres a lot
      >of
      >stuff out there these days, and its harder to separate the wheat from the
      >chaff as it were. basically, just send lots of stuff out to lots of places
      >with a bio and a covering letter, wait a few weeks for them to get a chance
      >to listen to it, and then email back if you havent heard from them already
      >and ask them what they think. most of the time, you wont get a response, at
      >which point you can either try again or leave them alone (its more likely
      >that theyre too busy to respond than that theyre avoiding you). if you do
      >get a response, the nicer ones will mostly be, "thanks for your interest,
      >but it isnt what we're looking for". in that case, email back thanking them
      >for their time. dont underestimate the value of just forming relationships
      >at this point (if i called it networking, you would cringe, but thats what
      >it is). if you get a nice response, give back a nice response, and you have
      >a contact, someone who knows your name and your work. in this spirit, you
      >can also gain a lot of contacts by trading cdr's with other unreleased
      >artists and giving each other feedback, or by contacting artists whose work
      >you admire and forming contacts that way. as an example, i contacted
      >someone
      >(bill jarboe) whose work i found on the tiln website (this is a plug by the
      >way; why not check out my tracks up there?) and he ended up being friends
      >with someone who runs the notype website (www.notype.com) where i had been
      >thinking about sending a piece, and he chatted me up, so i have an intro
      >there. thats a good thing.
      >
      >also, keep in mind that it costs a lot of money for a label to release a
      >cd,
      >and that makes it hard to find a label that will want to risk the costs on
      >someone whos new to the scene. to give yourself some exposure first, it
      >might be a good idea to put up some tracks on the net somewhere, like tiln
      >or mp3.com (if you can stand them, which i cant). make sure you mention
      >your
      >url in your bio so they know that people know your work. also, rather than
      >messing with labels right away, why not consider going self-released for
      >the
      >time being, or hey, why not start your *own* label? its not a sure way out,
      >because you still have to find a distributor, but most labels are started
      >by
      >people who are fed up with other people not wanting to relase their stuff.
      >but at any rate, do research on the labels you submit to. dont submit
      >lowercase work to a label that only releases harsh noise or funky breaks.
      >etc. i also have some great advice from an actual label owner which i can
      >send you if you want.
      >
      >sorry for the lecture. i hope you dont feel like im patronizing you,
      >especially because we're both in the position of being unreleased. but i
      >know when i asked for this advice before, almost no one gave me any, which
      >i
      >understand, so i wanted to make sure you got at least something for the
      >bother of posting.
      >
      >if you are into trading cds with me, id be down with that. check out my
      >page
      >at mp3.com and tiln if you want to hear what youre in for. i'll only give
      >you as much feedback as you need or want. or if you have stuff up
      >somewhere,
      >refer me to it, and i'll give you feedback if you think you could use it.
      >
      >good luck.
      >
      >phil
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      >Message: 3
      > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 00:39:12 +0200
      > From: ed osborn <edo@...>
      >Subject: Air Driver @ Sparwasser HQ
      >
      >Ed Osborn / "Air Driver"
      >
      >October 4. - November 3. 2001
      >
      >Sparwasser HQ
      >Offensive for Contemporary Art and Communication
      >Torstrasse 161
      >D - 10115 Berlin
      >Wed - Fri 4 - 7 pm, Sat 2 - 6 pm.
      >
      >Opening on October the 3. from 19:00
      >(afterparty with dj fos and dj b9 in Z-bar, Bergstrasse 2, just
      >around the corner from Sparwasser HQ)
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      >October 4, 21:00
      >Performance with Ed Osborn and Robin Hayward
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      >"Air Driver" is an installation made from brass objects designed
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      >in a performance version of the piece on October 4. Also on view is
      >"LFO #2," a continuation of ventilator motion explorations in which
      >audio from the piece will be played through one of the gallery
      >windows.
      >
      >For more information about this and other events in October at
      >Sparwasser HQ see http://www.sparwasserhq.de
      >
      >The exhibition is supported by the Embassy of the United States of
      >America in Berlin
      >
      >--
      >
      >Ed Osborn
      >Oakland / Berlin
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      >http://www.soundculture.org - SoundCulture Resources
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      > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 01:43:56 +0300
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      >Message: 5
      > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:37:35 -0400
      > From: "michael v farley" <the_beige_channel@...>
      >Subject: Re: submitting works to labels
      >
      >Bill,
      >In addition to what Phil suggests (all good advice), try to do some live
      >performances. Also, watch for requests to contribute to compilations -
      >this
      >can really grow a list of releases for you. Web releases are a good idea,
      >but the moderated ones like techNoh.com and tiln maybe carry more weight
      >than mp3.com, which anyone can submit to (don't get me wrong -I'm on there
      >too!).
      >
      >Try not to be discouraged by rejections. I always feel that someone who
      >takes the time to write you back with a personal response is at least
      >taking
      >you seriously. Think of all the people who have just been ignored! I
      >have
      >gotten some of the most encouragement from carefully worded rejection
      >letters and emails.
      >
      >michael
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      >Message: 6
      > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 07:59:42 +0000
      > From: eo sharp/charles gagnon <eosam@...>
      >Subject: Re: Montreal & Quebec City Shows/ Places to Visit??????
      >
      >Besides tha casa del popolo, October 4,5,6 at 305 Ste-Catherine,Raymond
      >Gervais and Malcolm Goldstein will be doing an Hommage � John Cage.It is
      >part
      >of the New Dance Festival (www.festivalnouvelledanse.ca)
      >
      >At the same place,Oct.4, Martin T�treault & DJ Ram.
      >
      >As for Record Shops:
      >
      >Cheap Thrills - 2044 Metcalfe
      >Disquivel - 1587 St-Laurent (lots of vinyls)
      >l'�change -3694 St-Denis
      >Atom Heart -Sherbrook,50 ft.west of St-Denis
      >Noize-3697 St-Laurent
      >Esot�rik-Ste-Catherine,a few blocks west of Guy St.
      >
      >...and don't forget to take a walk on the mountain....the leaves are
      >turning...
      >
      >enjoy,
      >
      >Charles
      >
      >"Cahill, Colin" wrote:
      >
      > > I'm going to Montreal & Quebec City next week and wanted to know if
      >anyone
      > > knew of any shows that week &/or any used music shops to check out?
      > >
      > > Thanks in advance
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    • Jonah Hex
      * ...the same thing as getting a Geffen A&R guy to come to your band s gig with hopes of getting a three-album deal. only three records? :)
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        * ...the same thing as getting a Geffen A&R guy to come to your band's gig
        with
        hopes of getting a three-album deal.


        only three records? :)
      • Kraig Grady
        Jonah! and not enough cash to live on either. ... -- Kraig Grady North American Embassy of Anaphoria island http://www.anaphoria.com The Wandering Medicine
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          Jonah!
          and not enough cash to live on either.

          Jonah Hex wrote:

          > * ...the same thing as getting a Geffen A&R guy to come to your band's gig
          > with
          > hopes of getting a three-album deal.
          >
          > only three records? :)
          >

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        • Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi
          Hey everyone…I didn’t get Phil’s email! With all the good advice!!!! Could someone forward it to me or resubmit it…don’t know why it didn’t come
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            Hey everyone…I didn’t get Phil’s email! With all the good advice!!!! Could someone forward it to me or resubmit it…don’t know why it didn’t come through!

             

            Thanx,

             

            Bill

            noise@...

             

            -----Original Message-----
            From: michael v farley [mailto:the_beige_channel@...]
            Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:38 PM
            To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [lowercase-sound] submitting works to labels

             

            Bill,
            In addition to what Phil suggests (all good advice), try to do some live
            performances.  Also, watch for requests to contribute to compilations - this
            can really grow a list of releases for you.  Web releases are a good idea,
            but the moderated ones like techNoh.com and tiln maybe carry more weight
            than mp3.com, which anyone can submit to (don't get me wrong -I'm on there
            too!).

            Try not to be discouraged by rejections.  I always feel that someone who
            takes the time to write you back with a personal response is at least taking
            you seriously.  Think of all the people who have just been  ignored!  I have
            gotten some of the most encouragement from carefully worded rejection
            letters and emails.

            michael


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          • James Dewey
            Hi Bill et al, I d just like to chime in that as most label-owners/artists in this field do sound-related activities in their spare time, they do it because of
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              Hi Bill et al,
              I'd just like to chime in that as most label-owners/artists in this field do
              sound-related activities in their spare time, they do it because of their
              love for the material being recorded/released and want to share it with
              others as art/listening experience.
              Perhaps I'm being too idealistic, but I'd like to think that most labels in
              the lowercase/sound art arena don't view their next release as a business
              venture rather than something they'd simply like to pass along to other
              people at a price that will cover costs or perhaps fund further releases.
              Granted, it is a large amount of money to sink into a project, but if I had
              the resources, I would not hesitate to release something that really
              resonated with me, regardless of how many prior releases you have or how
              many shows you've played. If you hone your work to a point where you are
              completely satisfied with it, and then send it to someone who thinks that
              what you've done is great, then perhaps you will land a release. There is
              no reason for a label to release something sub-par by someone with a "name"
              (though some do, and I'm not sure why) rather than a brilliant cd by an
              unknown. As an example, Bernhard Günter released Matt Shoemaker's first cd
              "Groundless" on his Trente Oiseaux label. He attached a strong personal
              endorsement to the cd (though releasing it on his label should have been
              endorsement enough), and since I trust Bernhard more than not, I picked it
              up and was pleasantly surprised by one of the best and most unique works
              I've heard in the past few years. I thank Bernhard for making Matt's sounds
              available to the rest of us, and I hope that most people operate under the
              same mindset if they can afford to.

              In this small community that we have, if a release is worth hearing, then
              people will talk about it. If no one likes it, then it will either not get
              talked about or it will be talked about negatively, and this should be a
              hint that whatever you're doing is unoriginal/bland/whatever.

              My only advice is to simply do your best work (be very critical!) and send
              it off to someone who has released music that has a similar aesthetic/style
              to yours. If it was meant to be heard by others, then eventually it will
              be. If not, then keep plugging away in your bedroom...art is not just for
              others, it's also for the artist, so just do what you love and fuck what
              other people think.
              - James
            • cornucopia _
              hello. i m usually lurking around but i thought i d add my 2 centavos... the first thing to think about when wanting to submit material for release is to
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                hello. i'm usually lurking around but i thought i'd add my 2 centavos...

                the first thing to think about when wanting to submit material for release
                is to seriously consider starting your own label. when you take care of your
                own music, you will do it more carefuly sinced it IS your own.

                get a few friends together who like what you do, or are willing to help and
                put on a small operation. whether you release on cdr or CD doesn't matter,
                as long as the music gets decently packaged and gets out there.

                >From:<hellomynameisphil@...>
                >Subject: Re: submitting works to labels

                >i've been going through the label-finding process myself as of late, so
                >maybe i can help you. i found it helpful to think of finding a label kind
                >of
                >like finding a job: be prepared for lots of rejections.

                i think the best way to approach a label is contacting and sending your
                music out to the artists on that label. forming relationships with the
                people who may show your music to the label heads. but don't expect them to.
                send it away in good faith and without expectations. phil explained in his
                email how he contacted someone who led him in to "no type", which is a good
                example.

                about rejection: don't let it get to you. it doesn't really mean the music
                is bad, it may mean that it's not suited for that labels' vision or
                aesthetic.

                >dont be afraid to send stuff to mille plateaux or whatever,
                >but dont have any expectation either that theyll release it.

                most major labels use demos as freesbees (spelling?) but it never ever hurts
                to try and send them your work. better, as a i said before, if you try the
                artists first.

                >can also gain a lot of contacts by trading cdr's with other unreleased
                >artists and giving each other feedback, or by contacting artists whose work
                >you admire and forming contacts that way.

                this is something that is widely done in the noise scene. and it works!

                >give yourself some exposure first

                yes, play gigs, go on tour, trade cds with poeple from every country you
                know similar artists in. especially japan. music fans and artists in japan
                are great listeners. and very honest.

                and THE most important thing before releasing, submitting or exposing your
                material is to make good music first. it helps when you do something no
                one's ever done. take care of your sounds, record them well, digitally is
                possible, present it well to whoever is going to recieve it. put a little
                effort in packaging your demo and make it look good too. show that you
                actually care about it.

                and remember: EXPECTATION IS A PRISON.

                salud!
                - jorge
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              • Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi
                How s this..didn t realize...use this email mostly for business..sorry :) ... From: / dave / [mailto:arouet@winternet.com] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:13
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                  How's this..didn't realize...use this email mostly for business..sorry :)

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                  From: / dave / [mailto:arouet@...]
                  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:13 PM
                  To: noise@...
                  Subject: Re: [lowercase-sound] submitting works to labels

                  Hi -

                  Why are you sending HTML-email to the lowercase mailing list? It's easy
                  to fix this in your "preferences" area - perhaps you are unaware that
                  most mailing lists ban such practices and many people can't decipher the
                  messages, depending on what kind of mailer they have...?

                  --

                  / dave /
                • / dave /
                  ... And there s email etiquette rule #27, section 17, paragraph B - forwarding private email to a public list without the sender s knowledge or approval ...
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                    "Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi" wrote:
                    >
                    > How's this..

                    And there's email etiquette rule #27, section 17, paragraph B -
                    "forwarding private email to a public list without the sender's
                    knowledge or approval"... (hah!). Actually the reply above looked fine -
                    the first one you sent was (literally) 10 times the size byte-wise, and
                    the big ad that started loading was plastered over the text for some
                    reason, so it was a mess. There are still lots of people who use
                    text-only mailers, or block HTML to avoid viruses - so lots of people
                    wouldn't even see those posts. And then they muck up the digest with
                    dozens of lines of plain-text gobbledygook, but I digress...

                    I'm not a law-and-order person, really.

                    The king is a fink! Hang the king!

                    http://slash.autonomedia.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/30/1859212

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                  • +++ phil +++
                    i dont know if you ll get this but you can read the msg at the website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lowercase-sound i think. phil ... In the struggle of
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                      i dont know if you'll get this but you can read the msg at the website:

                      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lowercase-sound

                      i think.

                      phil


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                      >From: "Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi" <noise@...>
                      >Reply-To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
                      >To: <lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com>
                      >Subject: RE: [lowercase-sound] submitting works to labels
                      >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:11:28 -0500
                      >
                      >Hey everyone?I didn?t get Phil?s email! With all the good advice!!!! Could
                      >someone forward it to me or resubmit it?don?t know why it didn?t come
                      >through!
                      >
                      >Thanx,
                      >
                      >Bill
                      >noise@...
                      >
                      >-----Original Message-----
                      >From: michael v farley [mailto:the_beige_channel@...]
                      >Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:38 PM
                      >To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
                      >Subject: Re: [lowercase-sound] submitting works to labels
                      >
                      >Bill,
                      >In addition to what Phil suggests (all good advice), try to do some live
                      >performances. Also, watch for requests to contribute to compilations -
                      >this
                      >can really grow a list of releases for you. Web releases are a good idea,
                      >but the moderated ones like techNoh.com and tiln maybe carry more weight
                      >than mp3.com, which anyone can submit to (don't get me wrong -I'm on there
                      >too!).
                      >
                      >Try not to be discouraged by rejections. I always feel that someone who
                      >takes the time to write you back with a personal response is at least
                      >taking
                      >you seriously. Think of all the people who have just been ignored! I
                      >have
                      >gotten some of the most encouragement from carefully worded rejection
                      >letters and emails.
                      >
                      >michael
                      >
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                    • kevin wienke
                      I d like to expand upon some of Howard s comments. I think everyone here has pretty much hit the mark. Alluvial is run out of a combination of three closets
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                        I'd like to expand upon some of Howard's comments. I think everyone here has
                        pretty much hit the mark.

                        Alluvial is run out of a combination of three closets and most work is done
                        on the weekends and the wee hours of the morning. I would think that most
                        people running these types of labels, especially those as small as mine, are
                        doing it for the same reasons that an unknown artist continues to record.
                        The love of it. Simple as that.

                        This is really a two tiered field. Everything Howard has said about
                        contacting a label about your music is true. One should also keep in mind
                        that often ,the label has the same daunting task as the artist trying to get
                        "signed". It is very difficult often times to get big distributors to carry
                        your releases. And to get some of them to carry things regularly and fully
                        stocked is even more difficult. So, even if you get your cd/record put out,
                        the label then has to get it out there for people to find.

                        Nothing could be truer than the value of building relationships and making
                        contacts with other people in the very small community we have. If you
                        don't, you most probably won't get very far.

                        It's been my experience that most people who love what we love are so
                        passionate about it, that finding help, support and advice is par for the
                        course and comes naturally. The trick is to find those who are the closest
                        to your particular tastes. Just because a label refuses your record or an
                        artist declines to release something on a particular label is not
                        necessarily an indication of like or dislike. Respect here, unlike most
                        things in life, seems to be easily won. Keep at it.

                        This is not to say that I would discourage people from sending us their
                        music. We just can't make promises or open invitations due to such limited
                        resources (more than one of our releases has been paid for by making the
                        painful decision to raid the personal record collection for the eBay
                        chopping block- thank god for cd-burners!). And we don't want to
                        "compromise" our tastes in regards to the label. We have definitely made an
                        effort to identify ourselves with a certain sound or kind of sound, and that
                        is important to us. What I mean to say is, you can send your field
                        recordings to Mille Plateaux, but don't get your hopes up.
                        Burn some cd's, pass them around, get sound samples on the net, get copies
                        in for review (Vital Weekly!), play live if you can, make trades, sell your
                        soul!! ;)

                        Alluvial Recordings
                        Kevin Wienke
                        P.O. Box 583742
                        Minneapolis, MN
                        55458-3742
                        USA
                        (612)871-0717



                        >From: "Howard Stelzer" <hstelzer@...>
                        >Reply-To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
                        >To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
                        >Subject: [lowercase-sound] submitting works to labels
                        >Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:46:59 -0400
                        >
                        >
                        >Phil offered some really good advice. Another thing to consider is: many
                        >people who publish "out" electronic music do it in thier spare time after
                        >work, from thier bedroom or apartment. Submitting to a label like this
                        >isn't
                        >the same thing as getting a Geffen A&R guy to come to your band's gig with
                        >hopes of getting a three-album deal. The one-person company generally knows
                        >what they want to publish a year ahead of time, or else they started their
                        >label to publish thier own work, or the work of those artists they know
                        >already.
                        >
                        >Phil's advice to begin making a name for yourself by self-publishing is
                        >sound. It's cheap enough these days, and a label is more likely to want to
                        >publish an artist who they can see is out in the world working hard at
                        >getting thier music known. Go on tour! Play out a lot! Play with other
                        >people! Try to get onto compilations, perhaps! Eventually, your work will
                        >be
                        >distinctive, and will come to a label's attention at the right time. Until
                        >then, you'll have formed relationships, which is very important (and also
                        >part of the fun of playing music in public, and of being involved in a
                        >creative community).
                        >
                        >best,
                        >
                        >Howard Stelzer. Intransitive Recordings.
                        >www.intransitiverecordings.com
                        >
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                        > >From: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
                        > >Reply-To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
                        > >To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
                        > >Subject: [lowercase-sound] Digest Number 817
                        > >Date: 1 Oct 2001 10:35:13 -0000
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >There are 6 messages in this issue.
                        > >
                        > >Topics in this digest:
                        > >
                        > > 1. submitting works to labels
                        > > From: "Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi" <noise@...>
                        > > 2. Re: submitting works to labels
                        > > From: "!IC�#�_I [�J}�" <hellomynameisphil@...>
                        > > 3. Air Driver @ Sparwasser HQ
                        > > From: ed osborn <edo@...>
                        > > 4. Fw: 2:13club October / 2:13 ���������
                        > > From: "absurd" <absurd@...>
                        > > 5. Re: submitting works to labels
                        > > From: "michael v farley" <the_beige_channel@...>
                        > > 6. Re: Montreal & Quebec City Shows/ Places to Visit??????
                        > > From: eo sharp/charles gagnon <eosam@...>
                        > >
                        > >
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                        > >Message: 1
                        > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:36:38 -0500
                        > > From: "Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi" <noise@...>
                        > >Subject: submitting works to labels
                        > >
                        > > Hey all,
                        > >
                        > >Here is a question I hope members on this list can help me with. I�m
                        > >finally ready to start releasing (or at least submitting works to be
                        > >released) on/through a label. But I have no experience as to what the
                        > >procedure is. Do any of you have any experience submitting works etc to
                        > >labels, and have any practical advice. My work is varied, but is
                        > >electronic
                        > >for the most part�the aesthetic being avant guard�some easy to listen
                        > >to�some not exactly �pretty� :-) etc.
                        > >
                        > >Any insight is appreciated. Feel free to contact me directly
                        > >noise@... <mailto:noise@...> or to the list�this may be of
                        > >interest to others..thanx,
                        > >
                        > >Bill
                        > >
                        > >
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                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
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                        > >
                        > >Message: 2
                        > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:07:01 +0000
                        > > From: "!IC�#�_I [�J}�" <hellomynameisphil@...>
                        > >Subject: Re: submitting works to labels
                        > >
                        > >hi bill,
                        > >
                        > >i've been going through the label-finding process myself as of late, so
                        > >maybe i can help you. i found it helpful to think of finding a label kind
                        > >of
                        > >like finding a job: be prepared for lots of rejections. indeed, you may
                        > >never find a label at all, or if you do, it may be "only" a small cdr
                        >label
                        > >that releases in limited editions of like 50. thats cool, and its a good
                        > >place to start. dont be afraid to send stuff to mille plateaux or
                        >whatever,
                        > >but dont have any expectation either that theyll release it. theres a lot
                        > >of
                        > >stuff out there these days, and its harder to separate the wheat from the
                        > >chaff as it were. basically, just send lots of stuff out to lots of
                        >places
                        > >with a bio and a covering letter, wait a few weeks for them to get a
                        >chance
                        > >to listen to it, and then email back if you havent heard from them
                        >already
                        > >and ask them what they think. most of the time, you wont get a response,
                        >at
                        > >which point you can either try again or leave them alone (its more likely
                        > >that theyre too busy to respond than that theyre avoiding you). if you do
                        > >get a response, the nicer ones will mostly be, "thanks for your interest,
                        > >but it isnt what we're looking for". in that case, email back thanking
                        >them
                        > >for their time. dont underestimate the value of just forming
                        >relationships
                        > >at this point (if i called it networking, you would cringe, but thats
                        >what
                        > >it is). if you get a nice response, give back a nice response, and you
                        >have
                        > >a contact, someone who knows your name and your work. in this spirit, you
                        > >can also gain a lot of contacts by trading cdr's with other unreleased
                        > >artists and giving each other feedback, or by contacting artists whose
                        >work
                        > >you admire and forming contacts that way. as an example, i contacted
                        > >someone
                        > >(bill jarboe) whose work i found on the tiln website (this is a plug by
                        >the
                        > >way; why not check out my tracks up there?) and he ended up being friends
                        > >with someone who runs the notype website (www.notype.com) where i had
                        >been
                        > >thinking about sending a piece, and he chatted me up, so i have an intro
                        > >there. thats a good thing.
                        > >
                        > >also, keep in mind that it costs a lot of money for a label to release a
                        > >cd,
                        > >and that makes it hard to find a label that will want to risk the costs
                        >on
                        > >someone whos new to the scene. to give yourself some exposure first, it
                        > >might be a good idea to put up some tracks on the net somewhere, like
                        >tiln
                        > >or mp3.com (if you can stand them, which i cant). make sure you mention
                        > >your
                        > >url in your bio so they know that people know your work. also, rather
                        >than
                        > >messing with labels right away, why not consider going self-released for
                        > >the
                        > >time being, or hey, why not start your *own* label? its not a sure way
                        >out,
                        > >because you still have to find a distributor, but most labels are started
                        > >by
                        > >people who are fed up with other people not wanting to relase their
                        >stuff.
                        > >but at any rate, do research on the labels you submit to. dont submit
                        > >lowercase work to a label that only releases harsh noise or funky breaks.
                        > >etc. i also have some great advice from an actual label owner which i can
                        > >send you if you want.
                        > >
                        > >sorry for the lecture. i hope you dont feel like im patronizing you,
                        > >especially because we're both in the position of being unreleased. but i
                        > >know when i asked for this advice before, almost no one gave me any,
                        >which
                        > >i
                        > >understand, so i wanted to make sure you got at least something for the
                        > >bother of posting.
                        > >
                        > >if you are into trading cds with me, id be down with that. check out my
                        > >page
                        > >at mp3.com and tiln if you want to hear what youre in for. i'll only give
                        > >you as much feedback as you need or want. or if you have stuff up
                        > >somewhere,
                        > >refer me to it, and i'll give you feedback if you think you could use it.
                        > >
                        > >good luck.
                        > >
                        > >phil
                        > >
                        > >
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                        > >
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                        > >
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                        > >Message: 3
                        > > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 00:39:12 +0200
                        > > From: ed osborn <edo@...>
                        > >Subject: Air Driver @ Sparwasser HQ
                        > >
                        > >Ed Osborn / "Air Driver"
                        > >
                        > >October 4. - November 3. 2001
                        > >
                        > >Sparwasser HQ
                        > >Offensive for Contemporary Art and Communication
                        > >Torstrasse 161
                        > >D - 10115 Berlin
                        > >Wed - Fri 4 - 7 pm, Sat 2 - 6 pm.
                        > >
                        > >Opening on October the 3. from 19:00
                        > >(afterparty with dj fos and dj b9 in Z-bar, Bergstrasse 2, just
                        > >around the corner from Sparwasser HQ)
                        > >
                        > >October 4, 21:00
                        > >Performance with Ed Osborn and Robin Hayward
                        > >
                        > >"Air Driver" is an installation made from brass objects designed
                        > >specially to be played by tuba player Robin Hayward who is featured
                        > >in a performance version of the piece on October 4. Also on view is
                        > >"LFO #2," a continuation of ventilator motion explorations in which
                        > >audio from the piece will be played through one of the gallery
                        > >windows.
                        > >
                        > >For more information about this and other events in October at
                        > >Sparwasser HQ see http://www.sparwasserhq.de
                        > >
                        > >The exhibition is supported by the Embassy of the United States of
                        > >America in Berlin
                        > >
                        > >--
                        > >
                        > >Ed Osborn
                        > >Oakland / Berlin
                        > >edo@...
                        > >http://roving.net - all things edo
                        > >http://www.auralaura.com - Audio Recordings of Great Works of Art
                        > >http://www.soundculture.org - SoundCulture Resources
                        > >
                        > >October 17 - November 19, 2001:
                        > >Christchurch Polytechnic
                        > >Christchurch, New Zealand
                        > >
                        > >
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                        > >
                        > >Message: 4
                        > > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 01:43:56 +0300
                        > > From: "absurd" <absurd@...>
                        > >Subject: Fw: 2:13club October / 2:13 ���������
                        > >
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                        > >From: N.veliotis/E.spyridou
                        > >To: 2-13Athens@...
                        > >Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:36 AM
                        > >Subject: 2:13club October / 2:13 ���������
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >message in english
                        > >
                        > >saturday 06 - 10 - 2 0 0 1
                        > >
                        > >club 2:13 Athens
                        > >
                        > >Luc Houtcamp(saxophones)
                        > >Nikos Veliotis (cello)
                        > >
                        > >guest: Savina Yannatou (voice)
                        > >
                        > >small music theatre
                        > >veikou 33 koukaki Athens / tel 30 1 9245644
                        > >22:13 tickets 4000 drs. (11,7 euro)
                        > >
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                        > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:37:35 -0400
                        > > From: "michael v farley" <the_beige_channel@...>
                        > >Subject: Re: submitting works to labels
                        > >
                        > >Bill,
                        > >In addition to what Phil suggests (all good advice), try to do some live
                        > >performances. Also, watch for requests to contribute to compilations -
                        > >this
                        > >can really grow a list of releases for you. Web releases are a good
                        >idea,
                        > >but the moderated ones like techNoh.com and tiln maybe carry more weight
                        > >than mp3.com, which anyone can submit to (don't get me wrong -I'm on
                        >there
                        > >too!).
                        > >
                        > >Try not to be discouraged by rejections. I always feel that someone who
                        > >takes the time to write you back with a personal response is at least
                        > >taking
                        > >you seriously. Think of all the people who have just been ignored! I
                        > >have
                        > >gotten some of the most encouragement from carefully worded rejection
                        > >letters and emails.
                        > >
                        > >michael
                        > >
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                        > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 07:59:42 +0000
                        > > From: eo sharp/charles gagnon <eosam@...>
                        > >Subject: Re: Montreal & Quebec City Shows/ Places to Visit??????
                        > >
                        > >Besides tha casa del popolo, October 4,5,6 at 305 Ste-Catherine,Raymond
                        > >Gervais and Malcolm Goldstein will be doing an Hommage � John Cage.It is
                        > >part
                        > >of the New Dance Festival (www.festivalnouvelledanse.ca)
                        > >
                        > >At the same place,Oct.4, Martin T�treault & DJ Ram.
                        > >
                        > >As for Record Shops:
                        > >
                        > >Cheap Thrills - 2044 Metcalfe
                        > >Disquivel - 1587 St-Laurent (lots of vinyls)
                        > >l'�change -3694 St-Denis
                        > >Atom Heart -Sherbrook,50 ft.west of St-Denis
                        > >Noize-3697 St-Laurent
                        > >Esot�rik-Ste-Catherine,a few blocks west of Guy St.
                        > >
                        > >...and don't forget to take a walk on the mountain....the leaves are
                        > >turning...
                        > >
                        > >enjoy,
                        > >
                        > >Charles
                        > >
                        > >"Cahill, Colin" wrote:
                        > >
                        > > > I'm going to Montreal & Quebec City next week and wanted to know if
                        > >anyone
                        > > > knew of any shows that week &/or any used music shops to check out?
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks in advance
                        > > >
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                      • Howard Stelzer
                        ... This is very true. Here s an example: I m about to release a CD by Bernhard Gal, who sent me a blind demo some time ago. I had never heard of him, but the
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                          >Perhaps I'm being too idealistic, but I'd like to think that most >labels
                          >in the lowercase/sound art arena don't view their next release >as a
                          >business venture rather than something they'd simply like to pass >along to
                          >other

                          This is very true. Here's an example: I'm about to release a CD by Bernhard
                          Gal, who sent me a blind demo some time ago. I had never heard of him, but
                          the CD was (and is!) amazing. I discovered that he works hard to get his
                          music out into the world (installations in NYC and Austria, previous CD
                          releases on Durian and Plate Lunch, active in radio and other multi-media
                          art), so that I might (maybe) be able to sell his CD to distributors if I
                          phrase the one-sheet just so. Also, I know that he's not part of some
                          musical trend that's going to be yesterday's fashion in a year, so I can
                          count on a fourth and fifth CD being published by someone in the future, and
                          Gal's reputation growing. Factors like these (on top of the most important
                          one: his demo CD was amazing and beautiful!) led me to offer him a release.
                          If I break even, and if I can get more people to hear Gal's music, I'll be
                          happy.

                          Now, here's another story: A guy in California sent me a CDR, and it was
                          fantastic. At the time he sent it, I had releases already planned, and I
                          wasn't about to commit to anything more. But I mentioned this guy to some of
                          the artists I correspond with, and it turns out that he had sent a few of
                          them his demo CDR already, and everyone agreed that he was quite good. I
                          went on tour, and stayed at a friend's house in another city. The friend
                          mentioned that he was about to play his own music in California, with this
                          guy who sent me a demo also on the bill. I told him that the guy was great,
                          and to look forward to hearing him. So, what happened? My friend was so
                          impressed, he decided to publish this guy's first CD.

                          Howard Stelzer. Intransitive Recordings.
                          www.intransitiverecordings.com

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                        • James Dewey
                          Howard, Who is this mystery fellow who sent you the cdr? If for some odd reason you don t want to mention his name publicly, then e-mail me privately please.
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                            Howard,
                            Who is this mystery fellow who sent you the cdr? If for some odd reason you
                            don't want to mention his name publicly, then e-mail me privately please.
                            I'm in CA so I'm curious if I've interacted with the person you mentioned.
                            - James

                            > Now, here's another story: A guy in California sent me a CDR, and it was
                            > fantastic. At the time he sent it, I had releases already planned, and I
                            > wasn't about to commit to anything more. But I mentioned this guy to some
                            of
                            > the artists I correspond with, and it turns out that he had sent a few of
                            > them his demo CDR already, and everyone agreed that he was quite good. I
                            > went on tour, and stayed at a friend's house in another city. The friend
                            > mentioned that he was about to play his own music in California, with this
                            > guy who sent me a demo also on the bill. I told him that the guy was
                            great,
                            > and to look forward to hearing him. So, what happened? My friend was so
                            > impressed, he decided to publish this guy's first CD.
                          • Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi
                            Thank you everybody for your replies...they were very informative. Sincerely, Bill ... From: +++ phil +++ [mailto:hellomynameisphil@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday,
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                              Thank you everybody for your replies...they were very informative.

                              Sincerely,

                              Bill

                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: +++ phil +++ [mailto:hellomynameisphil@...]
                              Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:52 PM
                              To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
                              Cc: noise@...
                              Subject: RE: [lowercase-sound] submitting works to labels


                              i dont know if you'll get this but you can read the msg at the website:

                              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lowercase-sound

                              i think.

                              phil


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                              >From: "Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi" <noise@...>
                              >Reply-To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
                              >To: <lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com>
                              >Subject: RE: [lowercase-sound] submitting works to labels
                              >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:11:28 -0500
                              >
                              >Hey everyone?I didn?t get Phil?s email! With all the good advice!!!! Could
                              >someone forward it to me or resubmit it?don?t know why it didn?t come
                              >through!
                              >
                              >Thanx,
                              >
                              >Bill
                              >noise@...
                              >
                              >-----Original Message-----
                              >From: michael v farley [mailto:the_beige_channel@...]
                              >Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:38 PM
                              >To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
                              >Subject: Re: [lowercase-sound] submitting works to labels
                              >
                              >Bill,
                              >In addition to what Phil suggests (all good advice), try to do some live
                              >performances. Also, watch for requests to contribute to compilations -
                              >this
                              >can really grow a list of releases for you. Web releases are a good idea,
                              >but the moderated ones like techNoh.com and tiln maybe carry more weight
                              >than mp3.com, which anyone can submit to (don't get me wrong -I'm on there
                              >too!).
                              >
                              >Try not to be discouraged by rejections. I always feel that someone who
                              >takes the time to write you back with a personal response is at least
                              >taking
                              >you seriously. Think of all the people who have just been ignored! I
                              >have
                              >gotten some of the most encouragement from carefully worded rejection
                              >letters and emails.
                              >
                              >michael
                              >
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                            • jonahhex@whc.net
                              ... band s gig ... . subversive propaganda .
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                                --- In lowercase-sound@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
                                > Jonah!
                                > and not enough cash to live on either.
                                >
                                > Jonah Hex wrote:
                                >
                                > > * ...the same thing as getting a Geffen A&R guy to come to your
                                band's gig
                                > > with
                                > > hopes of getting a three-album deal.
                                > >
                                > > only three records? :)
                                > >
                                >
                                > -- Kraig Grady
                                > North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
                                > http://www.anaphoria.com
                                . subversive propaganda .
                                >
                                > The Wandering Medicine Show
                                > Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm
                              • Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi
                                Hey all, I wrote a while ago concerning this topic and one suggestion was to submit mp3 s to various sites...some were suggested, but i am re-interested in
                                Message 15 of 21 , Oct 18, 2001
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                                   Hey all,
                                   
                                  I wrote a while ago concerning this topic and one suggestion was to submit mp3's to various sites...some were suggested, but i am re-interested in that possibility and wanted to know everyone's opinion on the 'best' sites to post/submit mp3's...any suggestions?
                                   
                                  thanx,
                                   
                                  Bill 



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                                • | ph!L b3ndz d@ta |
                                  i highly recommend tiln and notype . marc at tiln hasnt returned my emails for a long time, but that s probably just
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                                    i highly recommend tiln <http://tiln.org> and notype
                                    <http://www.notype.com>. marc at tiln hasnt returned my emails for a long
                                    time, but that's probably just because he hates me (ha ha). his email addy
                                    is mmcnulty@... (this tends to work better than marc@...,
                                    but try both to be safe). i have no idea of the snailmail addy, but if you
                                    just mail stuff there and aggressively follow up, i know he's always
                                    accepting submissions, though i dont know if he takes everything.

                                    notype is a bit more fussy, and you have to be *really* agressive once you
                                    submit stuff. they also have a *really* long line-up of upcoming releases
                                    (as you can see at http://www.notype.com/drones/releases/upcoming.html). but
                                    try david turgeon at david.t@... and/or just send your stuff to:

                                    no type
                                    4863 h�tel de ville
                                    montr�al (qu�bec)
                                    canada H2T 2B5

                                    with a covering letter and hope for the best.

                                    or you can just swallow your pride and submit to mp3.com. probably the most
                                    convenient in terms of uploading and could be the most exposed place to put
                                    your stuff (i've had "447 total plays" in the last several months according
                                    to their statistics, whatever that actually means). but then you are dealing
                                    with a megacorp and that is a political decision you may want to make. i
                                    wish i wasn't having so much trouble reaching marc at tiln because i would
                                    really like to transfer all my stuff to the tiln server rather than be
                                    complicit in corporate crap.

                                    lookin (and listening) forward to receiving your cdr. good luck to you in
                                    finding a label and an mp3 host.

                                    phil

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                                    >From: "Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi" <noise@...>
                                    >Reply-To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
                                    >To: <lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com>
                                    >Subject: [lowercase-sound] submitting works to labels: Part 2 (mp3 sites)
                                    >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:54:29 -0500
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Hey all,
                                    >
                                    > I wrote a while ago concerning this topic and one suggestion was to
                                    >submit
                                    >mp3's to various sites...some were suggested, but i am re-interested in
                                    >that
                                    >possibility and wanted to know everyone's opinion on the 'best' sites to
                                    >post/submit mp3's...any suggestions?
                                    >
                                    > thanx,
                                    >
                                    > Bill
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                                  • michael v farley
                                    Hey Bill, Also consider TAPE . It s an Austrian site beautifully designed by this woman named Barbara in her free time. Listen to what they
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                                      Hey Bill,
                                      Also consider TAPE <www.tape.at/>. It's an Austrian site beautifully
                                      designed by this woman named Barbara in her free time. Listen to what they
                                      have up first before you submit. It's like sending to a regular label, she
                                      has to like your work. And you must be patient. She accepted an entire MP3
                                      album of tracks from me in June and it's still not up yet.

                                      best of luck,
                                      michael

                                      >From: "Bill Thompson, prof lo-fi" <noise@...>
                                      >Reply-To: lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com
                                      >To: <lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com>
                                      >Subject: [lowercase-sound] submitting works to labels: Part 2 (mp3 sites)
                                      >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:54:29 -0500
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Hey all,
                                      >
                                      > I wrote a while ago concerning this topic and one suggestion was to
                                      >submit
                                      >mp3's to various sites...some were suggested, but i am re-interested in
                                      >that
                                      >possibility and wanted to know everyone's opinion on the 'best' sites to
                                      >post/submit mp3's...any suggestions?
                                      >
                                      > thanx,
                                      >
                                      > Bill
                                      >
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