- CA: I know
that you have channeled the teachings of Kryon, in nine books,
with a tenth one on its way, since 1989. Has Kryon spoken to you
on the subject of meditation?
LC: I have had profound channelings regarding
meditation. Kryon's messages have been on meditation for the last
two years. Meditation has to be addressed because quite often this
is the lifeline for those who are spiritual. Christians call it
prayer while others call it meditation. I tell people to make some
space for listening when they pray, because typically, in
religious history, there is a lot of verbiage that goes on but
there is not a lot of listening. Those of us who meditate have the
consciousness of truly listening.
CA: What does
Kryon say about the techniques we should use in our
LC: If you've read the lineage of
Kryon's work, you will see that he is talking about the change of
humanity, including the new children that are being born. In the
old energy, the communications were well set, we went to a quiet
place and time, and followed the procedures of meditation. That's
a linear approach. Kryon has been talking about a new way of
communication and he has given it a new name. It's called the
third language, but it doesn't mean the third dimension, or the
energy of ''three''; it has to do with the third temple being
built in Israel. You might wonder why Kryon is using these terms
it's a metaphor.
The third language is a walking, talking
meditative state where we are always connected. You can always go
to your altar and make a special time, but you don't have to have
that preparation anymore. We are heading to a place where we are
always fully connected in a walking, talking meditation. You can
now meditate 100 percent of the time. This full connection is what
the shamans, yogis, and all the holy people have. When you look
into the eyes of a guru, you know they are connected. We have this
ability, and there is a new energy that supports us going there.
If you look at the lineage of the Kryon books from 1989 on, you
can see that we have changed the fabric of our
Gregg Braden and I present together on occasion.
Gregg is teaching things that have also been communicated by
Kryon. In 1989, Kryon spoke of things that were not published
until 1993, in the White Book. Kryon said that none of the
doom and gloom prophecies had come to pass because we had started
to change the fabric of our reality. Soon after that, communism
dissolved the Soviet Union fell over, and many of the players
that created Armageddon faded out. The old potentials are still
there, but we are changing them, both governmentally and
personally. Passing the Marker is a discussion of this new
energy. We tie this into our books of the Indigo children. These
children have new gifts, like a new evolution. We are seeing it in
many facets of everyday life. This new energy supports a new
CA: How did Kryon first enter your
LC: In 1986, my wife took me to a channeler
named Frank Alper. He told me that there was an entity, a magnetic
master named Kryon, who was trying to contact me. I laughed and
laughed and didn't believe any of it. In 1989, my wife asked me to
go to another psychic in my own town. This man, who was younger
than Alper, gave me the same message, and told me that Kryon was
trying to reach me.
In 1989 Kryon came into my life, but I
didn't publish until four years later, in 1993. It took me four
years to decide what was happening. Was I crazy? Was I channeling
the devil or an angel? Which person was I supposed to be, the
electrical engineer which I was at the time, and still am or a
channeler? These were soul-wrenching questions. I had seen the New
Age and I didn't like it. This is where the man-brain came in as
an engineer: What were the chances of both psychics telling me
that an entity named Kryon would enter my life? That name was
unheard of at the time.
I went to my word processor and I
said, ''Okay, God, I want to resolve this.'' I started typing a
kind of automatic writing on my word processor. I channeled
Chapter 6 of Kryon's first book, the chapter called ''Jesus
Christ.'' That's the chapter that was written first. It's about
the Master of Love, and a reinterpretation of the things he said.
For me, it was an enhancement of the things I had been taught in
Sunday school. I printed out this first chapter and gave it to my
wife, who works with me to this day. She copied it and sent it to
her friends. I thought this was a one-time deal. When her friends
saw it, they said there had to be more. I knew that Kryon was a
messenger, a divine angel, a supporter of humanity, and a piece of
the consciousness of humanity.
I started channeling in
person two years later. It took two years to get the courage to do
it in front of people. If you look at the lineage of the books,
there is a lot of science, Kryon tells us how things
I ask Spirit some questions, but we're not given
things on a platter we have to work for them. Kryon named a lot
of things, and it connects with Gregg Braden's
CA: How do you discern what messages come from
yourself and what are being channeled?
LC: On my
website, I give the rules of channeling which help people
understand if they are getting messages from Spirit. The rules are
called ''Guidelines for Discernment,'' and they are paraphrased
from New Realities magazine, July 1987:
- There will always be useful information for everyone. Beware
of the channel that gives you useful information for only a few,
or tells you that it's only for a special group or a sequestered
number. It must be useful for ALL humanity, every single human.
This is an area of discernment allowing you to know that you are
hearing the truth.
- The message should be uplifting. Watch for an empowering
message NOT ONE OF FEAR, not one that drags you down, not one
that makes you want to take fearful action or hide, but an
enabling message! This is a staple of God energy. It must be
there. It should inspire the listener.
- Spirit (God) will never, ever channel a message that asks
you to give up your free will. Never! For your free will is what
your experience on Earth is all about as you sit in your "chairs
of gold" (a metaphor created in Kryon Book Six). Free will,
choice, is what drives your planet's future.
- Spirit will never give you a message ever that asks you
to violate the integrity of what you believe. You are honored in
your thought processes. Spirit will never trick you or ''talk
you into'' anything. The message must never violate your
integrity. You must feel comfortable with it, and it will ring
true to your heart.
- Spirit will never represent a channeler as being the only
source. Watch for this, for there are many channels of Spirit,
and they all coordinate their information to create a bigger
picture, especially in this New Age. They will NEVER represent
themselves as the ONLY source of information.
- Watch for the fact that the information is normally new
information. Beware of the channel that simply re-hashes the
old, for they are not channeling anything but the ego of the
Human Being. New information is necessary. It is the entire
reason for the channel. Think about it.
- Watch for the fact that channeled information should have
spiritual solutions presented. A solution to life's challenges
on Earth, via new information, is the purpose of channeling.
CA: When I first tried typing the kind of
automatic writing that you were talking about, my computer screen
slowly faded to black, and after an hour it remained permanently
black. Although I never had a problem with my computer before, I
had to buy a new computer. What could I do about
LC: There is an energy that is real and
physical, and as you become situated to open a spiritual portal in
your personality, the stuff around you reacts. When I channel, I
can only use the basic old-style cassette players to record the
words of Kryon. It is so obvious when you get into that state
you project an energy that is marvelous, it expands around your
body up to twenty feet. This is what that is it's all part of
our physical vehicle. Now if you listen to what Kryon says and
Gregg Braden, it's the same thing.
You have that ability to
influence inanimate objects around you. Literally take a moment
and visualize everything around you as part of your energy, see it
as happy and blessed. Christians say grace. I think this is a
strong ancient tradition of bringing food to your energy you
need to do the same thing with your computer, before
CA: Let's go back to the new form of
communication you mentioned earlier, that you called the ''third
language.'' How do we develop the third
LC: We are headed for a situation where we
are asked how to learn how to go to that state in an everyday
walking mode. Again, it is not going to be handed to us on a
platter. It is an opportunity, which I accept.
When I get
out of bed, I start my day with three seconds of celebration,
before I put my feet on the floor. I celebrate everything that's
going to happen that day. That celebration puts out an energy that
is like the energy that the gurus have, and the Indians knew
about. This begins your connection.
Compassion creates this
connection. Look at Christ, Buddha and Mohammed. Look at the
original material. Compassion towards human beings opens the door.
It promotes humor and allows you to laugh at your situation and
yourself. It lightens you up both metaphorically and physically. I
find that I eat less. We are constantly looking to make ourselves
happy. When you are happy with yourself, you eat less, you're more
pleased with everything in your life.
Kryon wrote The
Journey Home. It's the only book of the Kryon series that also
has a screenplay, and it's about walking meditation. A man learns
what ascension is about.
CA: How will life change if
we are always connected?
LC: If you're always
connected, that means that you're going to do a lot of listening,
and intuitive things will come more often. This is the way you
will get answers yes or no when you need them, instead of
later, when you meditate. We have an old linear attribute that
says we have to tank up on stuff whether it's fuel, food, or
love, we'll tank up, like going to church every Sunday. This is
now gone, since we can have a connection fulltime.
third language is like a DSL Internet connection, which is on one
hundred percent of the time; meditation, on the other hand, is
like dialing up on the Internet. This is the difference between
the old and the new. You can still dial up, but we have the
opportunity to go for the new, to keep it open all the time. I
invite people to go back and sit with a guru or medicine man. You
can see history in their eyes. They have the eyes of an angel.
Shamanship is attainable by all of us.
CA: Why do
you think these abilities are becoming available to all of
LC: To heal the Earth.
CA: Do you
think that a few people have the power to make enormous
differences on this Earth?
LC: Those who are
interested can make a difference on the whole planet. They can
affect the way governments are run. Compassion is a much stronger
energy than negative energy. It's waiting around to be tapped. The
experiments in these past years, of people trying to have mass
consciousness, this will pay off and have measurable
Book Six, Partnering With God, talks about
experiments where students sit in a laboratory where a machine
drops steel balls. The students are able to affect what they want
CA: Do you believe that the Earth is a
LC: From the beginning, Kryon has
channeled that the Earth is alive though it may be a different
kind of ''alive'' than your body. When you describe ''alive,'' you
have to include consciousness, which means that something knows it
is alive. The Earth responds to human consciousness.
of the indigenous people have always understood this, including
our American Indians. They claim that we lost the Earth
connection, the connection between nature and consciousness. The
Indians invite us to reconnect.
CA: Are the Indigo
children born with this third language?
children under 10 have Indigo attributes. We see it in their
behavior they are intuitive, far more than we are. When you talk
about these things to the kids, they are open to them, there's no
brick wall the way there is with people in their fifties and
CA: How do we develop this meditative
state, this third language that is always with
LC: The intent is what starts it. Everybody has
the power. It's pure intent. Some of the old rules are passing
away and we're moving to a state above and beyond this one. In
this walking meditation state, you're simply going to
Lee Carroll channeled Kryon's messages in nine
metaphysical books that have been released during the past
seven years. They have been printed in Spanish, French,
German, Chinese, Hebrew, English, Danish, Italian, Greek,
Hungarian, Japanese, Dutch, Finnish, and Turkish. Lee and
his spiritual partner, Jan Tober, started the Kryon Light
Groups in Del Mar in 1991, and they now host meetings all
over the globe.
At a meeting in Tel-Aviv, Israel, in
October 2000, amidst violent uprisings in the Middle East,
Kryon delivered uplifting messages to a group of over one
thousand Israelites. In 1995, Lee channeled Kryon at the
United Nations before a U.N.-chartered group known as the
Society for Enlightenment and Transformation. The meeting
was well accepted and they were invited back two more times
to present his message of love.
For more information
on Kryon and Lee Carroll, please visit his website at kryon.com
The eight Kryon books
channeled by Lee Carroll are:
- Kryon Book One: Kryon The End Times (new
information for personal peace), 1993.
- Kryon Book Two: Kryon Don't Think Like a Human
(channeled answers to basic questions), 1994.
- Kryon Book Three: Kryon Alchemy of the Human
Spirit (channeled answers to basic questions),
- Kryon Book Four: The Parables of Kryon,
- Kryon Book Five: Kryon The Journey Home (the
story of Michael Thomas and the Seven Angels),
- Kryon Book Six: Kryon Partnering With God
(Practical information for the New Millennium),
- Kryon Book Seven: Kryon Letters From Home (Loving
messages from the family), 1999.
- Kryon Book Eight: Kryon 2000 (Understanding the new
Millennium energy), 2000.
Lee Carroll and
his wife, Jan Tober, also wrote The Indigo Children: The
New Kids Have Arrived