Re: [loopantennas] Re: Fm question
- Nice Jim,
Size wise the quads are hard to beat. I love the pipe wrench
rotator! After my heart there. I am awaiting some nice weather
to see what I can come up with for antennas. I have lots of TV
mast and 1000' of polyester rope to hold things steady. Never
built an HF quad to date, but plan on that too. I have toyed with
them on VHF though. Nice.
By high maintenance was that due to the bamboo or wire breakage?
Was not too much of an issue with VHF, but a lot less flexure there.
I have seen some designs where they preload the spreaders with the
wire to bow them which eliminates some of the problems. That would
add more stress to the wire tough. Having been there let me know
what you think.
Last good cycle I was building a Ten-Tec six meter FM transceiver
and the instructions for pre-aligning the receiver section called for you
to tune into the strongest station that you could find. Found one that
sounded to be a local. Shoot, He was in Florida and I am in Ohio.
Picture me with this radio with no complete transmit section yet!
Glad that is not on film.
Thanks for the post,
In a message dated 3/31/2008 10:59:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
I built a cubical quad for 20/15 back in the late 50's or early 60's using
bamboo ... which was used in shipping carpets. It sat on a guyed 30' TV
mast which i rotated with a pipe wrench. It worked DX like you wouldn't
believe .... but then that was at the peak of the all time best sunspot
cycle hi hi However conditions aside ... the quad was one of the nicest
HF antenna I ever used (but then I have had the privilege of using a large
rhombic) .... it was quiet, broad band (xmitter liked it) and signals just
jumped right out. The problem was it was rather high maintenance.
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- At 11:29 PM 3/31/2008 -0400, you wrote:
>Size wise the quads are hard to beat. I love the pipe wrench
>rotator! After my heart there. I am awaiting some nice weather
>to see what I can come up with for antennas. I have lots of TV
>mast and 1000' of polyester rope to hold things steady. Never
>built an HF quad to date, but plan on that too. I have toyed with
>them on VHF though. Nice.
>By high maintenance was that due to the bamboo or wire breakage?
>Was not too much of an issue with VHF, but a lot less flexure there.
As with most things when you go big everything is magnified .... a quad for
20m is approx. 17' per side. I arranged the spreaders so they would be on
a 45 deg angle to either the vertical or horizontal plane. The distance
from the center to each corner is exactly 12'. I tied on small metal
fittings to the ends and spread thin flexible braided type copper wire
around the 4 corners (approx. 68' total) ... I fed the center of the bottom
horizontal portion with 72 ohm balanced line. The 72 ohm balanced line
(they don't make it any more as far as I know) came down to the shack and a
1:1 voltage balun (made by Heathkit from air-dux coils).
It was a perfect match ... and the antenna will take any legal level of
power you would wish to put to it.
I used approx 6' to 8' for an aluminium boom. I used a second loop as a
reflector ... and tuned it with a piece of open wire line for maximum front
to back ratio. I later mounted a second set of loops within the first loop
for 15 m and fed it from the same feed point with the same feed line. I
never noted any deterioration in performance.
The only maintenance problem was ICE .... the antenna was very gud in the
wind, but if there should be freezing rain with a build up of ice load the
whole thing will droop like a wilted flower. The other problem was general
weathering of the bamboo ... eg getting dry and brittle over time. The
whole thing is quite light.
The spreaders in this arrangement are not under much tension. I used home
brew flanges at each end of the boom to clamp the 4 bamboo poles for each
loop. The tricky part is building this thing and then getting it up
there. My 30' tv mast was made of 3 pieces that would nest together. I
could build and adjust the antenna on the top of the 10' piece then push it
up by hand. the bottom of the mast sat in a smooth cup on the base ... and
the guys were attached to rings that allowed the mast to turn. so the only
thing holding the antenna from turning was the friction in the cup at the
base. The 2' pipe wrench was more than enough to rotate the whole
The quad worked very well on 20m at 30' height. A friend of mine had a
quad on a 60 ft tower (a commercial quad ... GEM quad) and it was exceptional.