Re: [liturgy-l] Intinction is the danger
- What I read shows that intinction in the Western Church goes way, way back.Inter alia, there is a 1948 Anglican reference to it being ok, but other discussions go back to the early centuries of the Church.In the Catholic Church it's permitted by the GIRM.David---------------------------
Arlington VA USA
dlewisaao@...In a message dated 5/16/2013 12:44:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cowling.douglas@... writes:From: Robert White <whiteslists@...>Subject: Re: [liturgy-l] Intinction is the dangerRegardless of the "risks" or not, I do not recall anyplace in the scriptures at which Jesus (or anyone else) instructed anyone to "take and dip."When di d the practice start and why?Except for Judas …I never saw it until the late 1970's in the Anglican church as a misguided attempt to avoid the supposed risks of the common cup.The medical risks are such that it should be prohibited.I can send the documents produced by the Anglican Diocese of Toronto.Doug CowlingDirector of MusicSt. Philip's Church, EtobicokeToronto
- I was told by Hubby no one reported it, so you can't prove anything. I have talked to the priest about it before Easter this year, and he's willing to talk to my husband.
The church I attend is in Etobicoke as well. it's on Lake Shore Blvd West between Kipling and Brown's Line, next to Tim Horton's. I will be attending this weekend with my daughter. Hubby is at a conference. LauraP.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Douglas Cowling <cowling.douglas@...> wrote:
> From: Frank Senn <fcsenn@...>
> Subject: Re: [liturgy-l] LauraP Newbie
> As between receiving from the spoon or from the chalice, there's little
> difference in terms of physical contact. You're putting your mouth where
> someone else's mouth has been. But no epidemics have been reported in
> connection with Holy Communion---not in the U.S., not in Canada, not
> anywhere in the world. That's a miracle in itself.
> After the SARS crisis in Toronto, the College of Bishops commissioned a
> comprehensive medical study of the risks around the common cup. The results
> surprised everyone. The risk of transmission of contagion by the common cup
> was very low. What was was very high was the practice of intinction. The
> dipping of bread into the cup means that fingers touch the cup and the wine
> and that is raises the risk. In fact, the practice of intinction brings
> into play the single most risky agent: the fingers of children. Ironically,
> parents who think they are protecting their children through intinction are
> exposing them to a serious source of germs. The College prohibited
> intinction but it has proved difficult to convince people. Yet ask yourself
> if you want your mouth to touch a surface that has been touched by someone's
> fingers. I won't receive the cup if general intinction is alllowed. Churches
> where it is the norm are being irresponsible.
> The reports are archived on the website of the Diocese of Toronto:
> Doug Cowling
> Director of Music
> St. Philip's Church, Etobicoke