Re: [liturgy-l] ICEL Eucharistic Prayer A and Hippolytus
Re: [liturgy-l] ICEL Eucharistic Prayer A and HippolytusSaturday, February 16, 2013, 11:06:27 AM,Douglas Cowling wrote:
Eucharistic Prayer D in the American 1979 BCP (Eucharistic Prayer 6 in the
Canadian BAS) was freshly composed on Orthodox models at that time by the
!CEL. Eucharistic Prayer 2 in the BAS was based on a new translation of
Hippolytus by ICEL.
One of the Lutheran book of Worship Prayers (1978)is also based on the Hippolytus EP.
We give you thanks, Father, through Jesus Christ, your beloved Son,
whom you sent in this end of the ages
to save and redeem us and to proclaim to us your will.
He is your Word,
inseparable from you.
Through him you created all things,
and in him you take delight.
He is your Word,
sent from heaven to a virgin's womb.
He there took on our nature and our lot
and was shown forth as your Son,
born of the Holy Spirit and of the virgin Mary.
It is he, our Lord Jesus, who fulfilled all your will
and won for you a holy people;
he stretched out his hands in suffering
in order to free from suffering those who trust you.
It is he who, handed over to a death he freely accepted,
in order to destroy death, to break the bonds of the evil one,
to crush hell underfoot, to give light to the righteous,
to establish his covenant, and to show forth the resurrection,
taking bread and giving thanks to you, said:
Take and eat; this is my body, broken for you.
Do this for the remembrance of me.
In the same way he took the cup, gave thanks,
and gave it for all to drink, saying:
This is my blood poured out for you.
Do this for the remembrance of me.
Remembering, then, his death and resurrection,
we lift this bread and cup before you,
giving you thanks that you have made us worthy
to stand before you and to serve you as your priestly people.
And we ask you:
Send your Spirit upon these gifts of your Church;
gather into one all who share this bread and wine;
fill us with your Holy Spirit to establish our faith in truth,
that we may praise and glorify you through your Son Jesus Christ.
Through him all glory and honor are yours,
Almighty Father, with the Holy Spirit,
in your holy Church both now and forever.
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- On 2/16/13 1:33 AM, "Father Robert Lyons" fatherroblyons@...> wrote:
>Last night I was reading a book that mentioned two ICEL works from theI believe that ICEL worked on a number of translations as well as original Eucharistic Prayers. Some were for study, others were with the hope that they would have been approved. The Anaphora of Basil was presented and published in 1985. Addai and Mari was published afterwards. I somehow recall that work was done on Serapion as well but I'm not certain of that. Eucharistic Prayer A was an original creation as well as Alternative Eucharistic Prayer VI.
>early to mid 1980's, an original EP and a fresh revision of Hippolytus. I
>cannot find the texts online. Any leads n where they might be found?
I have copies of these prayers. I am reticent to include them here since I'm sure they've been copyrighted, however, I'm willing to send them to anyone individually for the purpose of study.
I don't believe it was ICEL who worked on a revision /adaptation of the Roman prayer IV (US BCP Prayer D), but rather an independent ecumenical body of scholars in the mid 70s. Being a student at the right place at the right time, I was invited to take part in a few of the sessions when they met in Baltimore. Some of the scholars included Aidan Kavanagh, Marion Hatchett, Tom Talley, Ralph Keifer. The other names elude me right now. I remember meeting a scholar who was a member of the Church Army society in New York. I recall a discussion when someone felt uneasy praying for a bishop in the prayer. The discussion went around and around until Tom Tally brought the group to silence by stating he believed there was no one who needed prayers more than a bishop. After the prayer was completed, representative groups presented the prayer to his/her respective group as a Common Eucharist Prayer. The US catholic bishops did not give it an approval.
I've included this prayer I found in my files entitled "Unfinished copy" from around 1975 or 76.
EUCHARISTIC PRAYER IV
It is truly right to thank and glorify you, Father,
for you alone are God, living and true,
dwelling in light inaccessible
from before time and for ever.
Fountain of life and source of all qoodness,
you made all things to fill them with your
you created them to rejoice in the splendor
of your radiance.
Therefore countless throngs of angels stand
to serve you night and day,
and beholding the glory of your face
they offer you unceasing praise.
Joining with them,
and giving voice to all other creatures under
we acclaim you, and glorify your Name,
as we sing (say) . . .
Holy, Holy, Holy
We acclaim you, holy Lord, for you are
all your works reveal your wisdom and love.
You formed us in your own image
and gave the whole world into our care
so that by serving you alone, our creator,
we might have dominion over all creation.
Even when our disobedience took us far from you
you did not abandon us to the power of death.
In your mercy you came to our help so that in
seeking you we might find you.
Again and again you called us into
covenant with you.
You taught us through prophets to look for
Father, you loved the world so much
that in the fullness of time you sent your only
begotten son to be our Savior,
Incarnate by the Holy Spirit, and born of the
he lived as one of us yet never sinned
To the poor he proclaimed the good news of
to prisoners, freedom,
and to those in sorrow, joy.
In fulfillment of your purpose
he gave himself up to death;
and by rising from the dead,
destroyed death and made the whole creation new.
And that we might live no longer for ourselves
but for him, who died and rose for us,
he sent the Holy Spirit from you, Father,
his own first gift for those who believe.
In this way he completed his work in the world, and fulfilled the sanctification of all.
Therefore Father, let the Holy Spirit sanctify these gifts. May they become the body and blood of Jesus Christ our Lord for us who celebrate this great mystery which he left us as an everlasting covenant.
When the hour had come for him to be glorified by you,
his heavenly Father,
having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end;
While they were at supper,
he took bread and gave you thanks and praise.
He broke the bread, gave it to his disciples, and said ..
Take this, all of you, and eat it.
This is my body which will be given up for you.
When supper was ended, he took the cup.
Again, he gave you thanks and praise,
gave the cup to his disciples, and said;
Take this, all of you, and drink from it,
this is the cup of my blood,
the blood of the new and everlasting covenant.
It will be shed for you and for all
so that sins may be forgiven.
Do this in memory of me.
Father, we now celebrate this memorial of our redemption. Recalling Christ's death and his descent among the dead, proclaiming his resurrection and ascension to your right hand, awaiting his coming in glory; and offering to you, from the gifts you have given us .. this bread and this cup, we praise you and we bless you.
Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.
***Lord, we pray that in your goodness and mercy your Holy Spirit may descend upon us, and upon these gifts, sanctifying them and showing them to be holy gifts for your holy people, the bread of life and the cup of eternal salvation.
Grant that all who share this bread and cup may become one body and one spirit, a living sacrifice in Christ,' to the praise of your name.
Remember, Lord, your one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church which you have redeemed by the blood of your Christ. Reveal its unity, guard its faith and preserve it in peace.
Remember (N. our pope, our Bishop N. and) , (N. and N. and) all who minister in your church. Remember all your people and those who seek your truth.
Remember. . .
Remember all who have died in the peace of Christ,
and those whose faith is known to you alone;
Bring them to the place of eternal joy and light,
and grant that we may find our inheritance
with the Blessed Virgin Mary,
with patriarchs, prophets,
apostles, and martyrs
and all the saints who have found favor with you
in ages past.
We praise you in union with them
and give you glory
through Christ our risen Lord.
Through Christ, and with Christ and in Christ
in the unity of the Holy Spirit
all honor and glory are yours, almighty God and Father,
for ever and ever. Amen.
***Lord, look upon this offering you have prepared your church to make. In your mercy gather all who share this one bread and cup into one body by your Holy Spirit and make them a living sacrifice in Christ to the praise of your glory.
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- On 2/18/2013, Joseph Farias wrote: "I believe that ICEL worked on a number of translations as well as original Eucharistic Prayers. Some were for study, others were with the hope that they would have been approved. The Anaphora of Basil was presented and published in 1985. Addai and Mari was published afterwards. I somehow recall that work was done on Serapion as well but I'm not certain of that. Eucharistic Prayer A was an original creation as well as Alternative Eucharistic Prayer VI."
Mazza's "Eucharistic Prayers of the Roman Rite" insinuates that ICEL Eucharistic Prayer A was an original creation in contemporary English, designed according to the Antiochene/Roman Model. I have found a few other vague references to it, but never a text. The date mentioned was either 1982 or 1984 (I don't have the book in front of me at the moment.).
I did not realize (and I think Mazza's work was complete before 1985) that ICEL had reworked Basil, or worked at all on Serapion or Addi and Mari. No source I have read mentioned AEP VI. I'd be most interested to learn more about all of them.
Again, JF: "I have copies of these prayers. I am reticent to include them here since I'm sure they've been copyrighted, however, I'm willing to send them to anyone individually for the purpose of study."
I'd be most interested in seeing them for study purposes.
--Father Robert Lyons
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