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Re: [liturgy-l] The Peace

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  • Brian Bennett
    ... Speaking as one who serves a congregation which was in dire conflict when I arrived, I rejoice to see the scramble as people now leave their pews to
    Message 1 of 190 , Dec 1, 2008
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      David Lewis wrote:
      >Much has been said about the Peace having turned into an elongated group
      >scramble. I've seen this happen in any number of places and it does not set
      >well with me liturgically, but at the same time I cannot help but wonder if in
      >some congregations such a "scramble" does not help reinforce community each
      >week.


      Speaking as one who serves a congregation which was in dire conflict when I arrived, I rejoice to see the "scramble" as people now leave their pews to greet many around them as well as across the nave.

      The one thing I have been reflecting on as I read this thread is this. When I share the peace from the altar with the entire congregation I use the typical "The peace of the Lord be with you always." They respond typically "And also with you." But then I say, "Let us share with one another a sign of Christ's peace." I wonder, is it a sign of the Lord's peace that we share? Or are we sharing the Lord's peace? For while it is surely the Lord's peace that we share, it is not the fullness of his peace...

      Peace.

      Brian O. Bennett -- St. Paul Lutheran Church
      Morgantown, WV


      For in celebrating the liturgy, our gaze is not restricted to Jesus, but is raised to him from whom ultimately the highest of all good gifts comes: to the Father. Nor do we open our hearts and raise our minds heavenward of ourselves, but in the power of the Holy Spirit of the Father and of the Son poured into our hearts. It is solely in view of the entire triune God that the worshipping community is gathered together to celebrate God's generosity and liberality.
      - Hans Urs VonBalthasar




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    • Frank Senn
      Gosh! FCS ... From: Gregory Holmes Singleton Subject: Re: [liturgy-l] The Peace To: liturgy-l@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 8,
      Message 190 of 190 , Dec 8, 2008
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        Gosh!

        FCS

        --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Gregory Holmes Singleton <roc1940@...> wrote:
        From: Gregory Holmes Singleton <roc1940@...>
        Subject: Re: [liturgy-l] The Peace
        To: liturgy-l@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 1:39 AM











        Doug Cowling wrote:



        <<There is no such thing as an "objective liturgical

        standard", rather we see a rite through the prism of its cultural matrix.>>



        Certainly our fellow listmember Frank Senn has done an excellent job of illustrating this point in several of his works. Realizing that a prophet (and/or liturgical scholar--Frank is both) often is not as honored in his/her home town (or discussion list) as he/she ought to be, let me also suggest a thorough reading of the late (the "late" part perhaps suggesting greater authority to some) Cyrille Vogel's Introduction aux sources de l'histoire du culte chretien au moyen age (Spoleto: Centro italiano di studi sull'alto medioevo, 1966)--available in an excellent revision and translation (William G. Storey and Niels Krogh Rasmussen, O.P.) as Medieval Liturgy: An Introduction to the Sources (Washington, DC: The Pastoral Press, 1986). It is worth reading in its entirety, but the brief discussion of "The Peculiar Character of Liturgical Manuscripts" (pp. 62-64) is particular on-point for this thread.



        Personal note to Frank--so far as I am concerned, you can and do still have a place of great honor while living. That's my selfish preference. It's just easier to have a conversation with you that way.



        Peace,



        Greg



        Gregory Holmes Singleton, Ph.D., CSF

        www.neiu.edu/ ~ghsingle/

        Community of St. Francis

        www.communityofstfr ancischicago. com/

        Ecumenical Catholic Communion

        www.ecumenical- catholic- communion. org/



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