Re: [liturgy-l] The Sanctoral Calendar - Problems and Solutions?
- Tom Poelker wrote:
> The other quarter days are the feasts of the conception, 25Actually the September quarter day is 29 September, the Feast of the
> September, and birth, 25 June, of John the Baptist who was
> already six months in the womb at the Annunciation to Mary.
Archangel Michael. These four dates are still 'quarter days' in English law.
And of course, the birth of John the Baptist is celebrated on 24 June,
not 25 -- perhaps because June has only 30 days whereas March and
December have 31 (and so the three feasts are '8' days before the
Kalends in the Roman method of datng).
Saint Ives, Cambridgeshire
- Robert Lyons wrote:
> Since I know that NO ONE is going to go for a proposal to radicallyDepends who the saint is and how important the commemoration is. Whilst
> alter the liturgical year (well, except for me) what thoughts does
> everyone have on the best ways to commemorate the feasts of saints?
one might disrupt the lectio continua for an important commemoration, it
is unnecessary to do so for every commemoration.
Even so, with out interrupting the lectio continua one might have some
or all of: a proper collect or 'opening prayer'; a brief sentence or two
about the commemoration after the opening greeting; optionally an
additional non-biblical reading; mention in the prayers of the faithful
(or custom intercessions where appropriate and available) and/or in the
eucharistic prayer; proper post-communion prayer; possibly the
appropriate liturgical colour.
All of these can also alludce to the season -- a commemoration which
will often occur in Lent, for example, can have a proper collect at is
Lenten as well as commemorating the person; one that is frequently in
Eastertide can proclaim the resurrection as well as the commemoration.
Similarly for any 'custom' intercessions / prayer of the faithful.
Saint Ives, Cambridgeshire
- I was referring to the dividing of the year into quarters by
the dates of the conceptions and births of Jesus and John in
accord with the cycle based on three-quarters of the year
from conception to birth and Elizabeth being a half-year
pregnant when Jesus was conceived as being on the same date
when he died. Quartodecimans (sp?)of the world unite!
I don't know why the English church has this anomaly with
I just fell unconsciously into using the "quarter day"
terminology. I've gotten myself into trouble other places
when I use specific terminology without realizing it just
because the words come trippingly to the tongue (That seems
Thank you for the correction and likely opinion on the
dating of the feast of the birth of John the Baptist. I was
writing from my memory of the theory rather than from my
rather small memory of feast dates.
St. Louis, Missouri
It is not we who do Christ the favor of
worshiping him; it is Christ who
empowers us by strengthening us, and
enabling us to fight for the things that
are worth fighting for, the things that endure;
and that is a promise worth fighting for,
worth dying for, and worth living for.
-- Peter Gomes, "Strength for the Journey."
> Tom Poelker wrote:
> > The other quarter days are the feasts of the conception, 25
> > September, and birth, 25 June, of John the Baptist who was
> > already six months in the womb at the Annunciation to Mary.
> Actually the September quarter day is 29 September, the Feast of the
> Archangel Michael. These four dates are still 'quarter days' in English law.
> And of course, the birth of John the Baptist is celebrated on 24 June,
> not 25 -- perhaps because June has only 30 days whereas March and
> December have 31 (and so the three feasts are '8' days before the
> Kalends in the Roman method of datng).
> Simon Kershaw
> simon@... <mailto:simon%40kershaw.org.uk>
> Saint Ives, Cambridgeshire