Re: [liturgy-l] LBW & Episcopalians
- I understand the depth of the commitment both by the diocese to St.
Gregory's and the parish to the Diocese of California. No cheap shot was
intended. I have worshipped there and have been influenced by their
ministry. It is, however, not of the norm.
On 03/11/00 04:45, "Ron Miller" <rh.miller@...> wrote:
> I will trust that this was not intended as a cheap shot. Although they push
> the envelope of rubrics and challenge many of the commonly held liturgical
> assumptions, I'd say that St. Gregory's is a genuine, not nominal,
> Episcopal congregation which takes its place actively in the Diocese of
> California and the Episcopal Church.
> <<And I'm writing from the other side of the country!!>>
> At 10:37 PM 11/2/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>> Saint Gregory Nyssan, in San Francisco, regularly uses one in the Gospel
>> Procession. Saint Gregory's is nominally Episcopalian, actually Eastern of
>> some variety.
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- In a message dated 11/6/2000 5:14:46 AM Central Standard Time,
One of the problems with "reason", as importance as it is, for being
considered a "norm" is that reasonable people can disagree about
I have understood reason to be a tool, not a source of revelation. One uses
reason to figure out what Scripture is saying and to discern the great
tradition. One uses reason to apply the teachings of Scripture and tradition
to a contemporary issue. One uses reason even to understand contemporary
issues. Reason uses methods that enable us to discern---and even to call
into question the methods themselves, as has recently been happening with
regard to the enlightenment-inspired historical critical method in biblical
interpretation. But reason cannot be enshrined as a norm for faith and
practice. I don't even know what that would mean, other than to make some
philosophic construct or contemporary worldview or scientific hypothesis the
judge over Scripture and tradition, which has surely been known to happen.
It happened in the Age of Enlightenment, in whose aftermath we are still
lingering. But, Thomas, you should know that once that happened, the
religion of the Reformation came to an end, because reason replaced faith and
science trumped the authority of Scripture.