Re: [liturgy-l] All Saints and the Departed
- Doug wrote:
>I think that in addition to the pastoral need for commemoration of the dead, the
> What I find particulalry interesting
> is the gradual transmigration of some elements of All Souls into the All
> Saints liturgy with the departed being assimilated into the the cloud of
> witnesses. Although we are far from seeing a revival of the intercession of
> saints and for the departed, there does seem to be a pastoral need to
> commemorate our dead in the public liturgy. Anyone else notice this
conflation of All Saints and All Souls is being influenced by the growing
recovery of the concept of the sainthood of all the faithful departed in
traditions that do not have any formal process of canonisation. A distinction
between the saints and the other faithful departed doesn't really make much
sense for those outside the Roman communion with its formal differentiation of
the two. While there is a third group, departed non-Christians, who might also
be commemorated or prayed for on All-Souls, the conflation of the other two
groups seems to me to be a natural one and to explain much of the transmigration
Doug refers to.
Peace and hope,
Pastor, South Yarra Community Baptist Church
>Technically the Church of England gives the option of transferringThe nearest, or the following? In my church, it is observed on the Sunday within the Octave. Actually, we do both, calling the Nov 1, "The Feast of All Saints" and the Sunday following "The Solemnity."
>All Saints to the nearest Sunday, it is not a requirement.
Cathedral of St. John the Divine, NYC