Re: [liturgy-l] non-Christians and Church services
- This is a common practice on Guam [and the Commonwealth of Micronesia]. For
about one year (in the early nineties) the Episcopalian Priests conducted
these weddings in our churches there
[3 ECUSA**] and then with some sanity and moral re-grouping decided to only
conduct them in the many Five Star Hotel Chapels. And then the Bishop for
the Armed Forces, with oversight of unincorporated territories, decided to
but a stop to the practice; thus ended ECUSA's participation. Now pastors
with cracker box ordinations (Universalist Life et.al.) have a lucrative
It rather makes a mockery of all things Christian; as to entertainment and
dramatic presentation... it isn't liturgy and it's bad acting.
[**The fees were placed in a Mission & Building funds > the "independents"
pay their mortgages and take long vacations in Bali or Manila.]
"There is only one Christ, Jesus, one faith.
All else is a dispute over trifles."
HM Queen Elizabeth I
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas R. Jackson <thomas@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: [liturgy-l] non-Christians and Church services
> though not related to anything we're talking about recently, in the past
> we have talked about who should receive Christian liturgies. This came to
> mind today when I heard a radio report on weddings in Japan. Although
> 1% pf the population is Christian, this report claimed that 60% of the
> weddings were in Churches. Apparently it is part of the Japanese
> fascination with all things Western. The report went on to say that this
> is a big business in Japan, and commercial wedding chapels will go to the
> trouble of importing all the furnishings, pews, bibles and all, of English
> churches to give the right ambience. Apparently some have also gone to
> trouble of hiring Anglican priests to conduct the services. The one they
> interviewed said he considered this a form of missionary work.
> Just passing the information on. Perhaps others know more on the topic.
> Thomas R. Jackson.
- In a message dated 8/31/04 11:12:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Just passing the information on. Perhaps others know more on the topic.
Thomas R. Jackson.
When I was in Japan a few years ago, I was told that the Japanese use a
cafeteria approach to religious events. I think the majority are
Shinto, with its strong ancestor worship aspects, AND Buddhist, so they are
quite used to this dual membership idea already. Thus, infant rites may be
at the Shinto Shrine, and, say, funerals at the Buddhist Temple. The craze
Western weddings was obvious, and the white bridal gown industry was already
One surprising aspect of all of this was a surprisingly evangelistic Buddhism.
For example, the major Buddhist Shrines in Kyoto, the old Imperial Capital,
were dubbed for Western tourists "Westminster" and "Eastminster." While
they were each spectacular examples of Japanese architecture, my little
Western tour group was stunned by the rather aggressive invitations at both
complexes to return the next morning for their Buddhist services, which to
make them palatable to Westerners they called a "Mass."
However, from what I learned then and have read, the Japanese really
worship Japan: the culture, the people, the arts, the wildlife, the landscape,
etc., etc. Formal religion is secondary to this patriophilia. They are very
xenophobic. In the end it must be very difficult for Western missionaries
to break through this.
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- Ah, Jerome the curmudgeon! Love that guy!
From: Christian McConnell [mailto:cdmcconnell@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:55 PM
Subject: [liturgy-l] luxury was Re: SBH
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "James Morgan" <rdrjames@c...> wrote:
> Dear Scott:
> Makes you think, huh?
> And why do some Orthodeox bishops (they know who they are!) require
> and gold plated dinnerware, while some other Orthodox bishops live in
> apartments and get plain stuff? And frequently cook their own meals?
> But I won't air our laundry in public anymore! Makes me wonder about
> priorities, however.
'Twas ever thus. I recall coming across an anecdote in my research --
I wish I could recall where -- which a Spanish early Church writer
told. Apparently there was a bishop who was fond of luxury, and took
not one, but two baths every day. When asked why, he said "Because
you people don't leave me enough time for three."
And issues like this are when Jerome's the most fun to read ...