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38013Re: [liturgy-l] Easter Vigil as Popular Liturgy

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  • Ron Miller
    Apr 1, 2010
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      The question of the length of time during the night that the baptisms
      took came up as I was writing my dissertation. The church Egeria and
      Cyril describe was dealing large numbers of conversions because of the
      recent legalization of Christianity and its growing social standing;
      classes could have been large. I theorized that if the questions and
      immersions were done one at a time, with multiple renunciations and then
      multiple anointing and robing in adjoining rooms, and if questions and
      immersion were done one at a time at the font and took about half a
      minute some two hundred people could have been initiated in less than
      two hours. I can expand this further if there is interest. So a
      baptismal class of this size could have been present for most of the
      vigil and still rejoined the congregation as they sang the "Omnia opera
      Domini.." (although not in Latin).

      On 3/31/2010 9:20 PM, Frank Senn wrote:
      > Authentic to what? Egerea's description is such that the baptisms occurred during the night, not at dawn. It's interesting that she says that when they got to the sacrifice (i.e. the Eucharist) they hurried things along because the people were getting tired. When it was over they all went home. They didn't even hang around for breakfast.
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      > --- On Wed, 3/31/10, dlewisaao@...<dlewisaao@...> wrote:
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      > From: dlewisaao@...<dlewisaao@...>
      > Subject: Re: [liturgy-l] Easter Vigil as Popular Liturgy
      > To: liturgy-l@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 12:49 PM
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      > In a message dated 3/31/2010 10:14:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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      > You are correct about all night, at least in Jerusalem at the time of
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      Ron Miller (The Rev. Ronald H.) Baltimore, MD
      Every individual will receive from God the amount of indulgence he has himself given to his neighbor.
      Augustine, quoted by Defensor Grammaticus
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