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22808Re: [liturgy-l] Re: "blessed memory"

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  • mbennett1944@comcast.net
    Oct 3, 2005
      One thing this lurker appreciates about liturgy-l is that subscribers can unapologetically use language as those of their tradition use it. From time-to-time one is asked "What do you mean by that?" and the answer provides new, interesting information for other subscribers, which is one reason for being here. When somebody else finds nothing new or interesting in the answer, (s)he is free to dispose of the answer in the usual manner.

      Further, I found this answer particularly timely and interesting, having recently observed the 7th anniversary of my protestant father's death, having never fully understood the Orthodox status of the prayers that the Orthodox priest had offered publicly at the request of my Orthodox brother.

      Mike Bennett

      -----Original Message-----

      From: "Kenneth Doll" <dollpka@...>
      Subj: [liturgy-l] Re: "blessed memory"
      Date: Mon Oct 3, 2005 2:31 pm
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      To: liturgy-l@yahoogroups.com

      Hello John,

      As to the need to distinguish on this forum, I would expect that it
      is probably either unintentional or simply natural.

      To a departed Orthodox Christian, we naturally apply this
      designation, especially if we knew them or their writings in this
      case. Perhaps Rdr. James even personally knew Fr. Alexander. To
      someone else, it might not necessarily apply.

      Interestingly, even an appellation such as Father for a priest (or
      even a deacon) is not always used if there is not some relationship.
      They might be designated Priest John or Deacon Basil instead. We
      also use the term Master/Despota/Vladyka to refer to our bishops.

      Perhaps in this forum it would have been better to leave it off all
      together???? It does give a sense of how we regards our departed
      brothers and sisters though.

      With best regards,
      Kenneth Doll

      --- In liturgy-l@yahoogroups.com, john19@u... wrote:
      > Thanks for your response. I have seen the term used by non-Orthodox
      > when referring to other non-Orthodox. I am unsure as to the need
      > distinguish in this forum.
      > John Dornheim
      > >Hello John,
      > >
      > >I suspect the reason is that we Orthodox Christians would not use
      > >this phrase for _any_ departed non-Orthodox Christians. I don't
      > >think that this is anything intended directly at Dix or Underhill.
      > >
      > >We pray publically "memory eternal" for our departed brothers and
      > >sisters, but only privately for those outside.
      > >
      > >This does not answer the question "why", but that might take us
      > >outside the purpose of the list.
      > >
      > >Best regards,
      > >Kenneth Doll
      > >
      > >--- In liturgy-l@yahoogroups.com, John Dornheim <john19@u...>
      > wrote:
      > >> I wonder why Schmemann is of "blessed memory" and Underhill
      > and Dix
      > >> are not.
      > >> John Dornheim
      > >> On Oct 1, 2005, at 5:29 PM, James Morgan wrote:
      > >>
      > >> > One of the classics, a bit dated perhaps, is 'Worship' by
      > >> > Evelyn Underhill.
      > >
      > >> > Then there is 'The Shape of the Liturgy' by Gregory Dix.
      > >
      > >> > Fr. Alexander Schmemann of blessed memory wrote a book
      > called
      > >> > 'An Introduction to Liturgical Theology', and several
      > >> > other books of that ilk.
      > >> >
      > >> > Rdr. James Morgan
      > >> > Olympia, WA

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