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Re: Distros... which for easy admin?? (also [linux-dell-laptops] Digest Number 2062)

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  • ken
    Irlandes, Thanks for your post. There s a lot here to think about. ... Good point. This is why I check to see if Linux will run on all the hardware before
    Message 1 of 2 , Apr 24 1:27 PM
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      Thanks for your post. There's a lot here to think about.

      irlandes wrote:

      >With a zillion (speaking metaphorically) different brands in the world,
      >there is no Linux distro anywhere that will run on all of them. Period.
      >Think about this. Zillions of different builders, all making computers
      >for the same small software. Also, makers of peripherals also all making
      >peripherals for the same small set of software.

      Good point. This is why I check to see if Linux will run on all the
      hardware before ever buying a computer. Yes, it's generally a mistake
      to buy the computer first and then see if Linux will install on it.


      In a lot of cases it's possible to rely on the experiences of others.
      So, thankfully, I really don't have to try everything on my own. If
      several people say that some application is broken and I can't find
      anyone who says that they got it working (with instructions as to how
      they did it), then I can probably assume that application is in fact broken.

      In addition, I'm looking for a way to avoid doing a lot of unnecessary
      administrative chores. Having to maintain several distributions would
      require quite a bit more effort than maintaining just one. And if
      there's just one distro to maintain, then perhaps I will have more time
      to track down bugs, implement my own fixes, and share these with the
      community at large. So by having a relatively low maintenance system, I
      can make contributions to Linux which will help others. If, on the
      other hand, I have to spend a lot of time just maintaining my system(s),
      there's less time available to me for contributions.

      >(Note that also what one does with a computer also is part of the
      >equation. For example, CentOs 4 looked good on my Dell Laptop Inspiron
      >2650, except I need KPPP which did not work within the time I had
      >available for the install and setup. If I used my machine on a high
      >speed service, instead of dial-up, I would probably be using CentOs4 at
      >this moment.)

      It's been a long time since I used dial-up, but I found that wvdial
      worked great. It wasn't a fancy GUI, but rather just a command line
      utility, but it had my modem working in less than thirty seconds. (And
      this after I'd struggled for half a day with other apps.)

      >I realize there may be a problem compiling from source, with your [x
      >needs y needs z needs z]. Or, I should better say I do not compile from
      >source, thus really don't know how dependencies work on that method.
      >With RPM's as such, this in itself is not really a problem at all. Type
      >at a prompt, man rpm and you will see that you can install x with
      >--nodeps and then y --nodeps and then z --nodeps.
      >i.e. -- rpm -ivh --nodeps rpm-name.rpm

      Yes, that's a possible solution. I use "--nodeps" with great
      reservations, figuring I really shouldn't have to use it. And the XYZ
      example I gave is the simplest possible example. In reality, the web of
      dependencies and the dependencies on dependencies... is quite a bit more
      extensive than my simple example. I worry about "--nodeps" hosing my
      system, but I'm to the point where I'm ready to upgrade the whole thing
      anyway, so I may as well throw a lot of crap into the grinder and see
      what happens.

      >And, urpmi basically sorts out the dependencies for you.

      That's the rumor I've heard, but I've gotten dependency failures using
      "urpmi" too.

      >If that is all the problem you have, you are indeed directly blessed by

      Are you implying I could practice faith-based systems administration? :)

      >Do remember from previous postings that if you have a large enough HD,
      >you can install a number of distros on the same machine, and run
      >whichever distro you want at a given moment. [....]

      I've done this kind of thing before and it was fun the first few times.
      But I'm interested in doing other things now and just want to have a
      stable and secure system or two for this. But thanks for the
      suggestions. Perhaps someone else reading this will be inspired to try
      it though.

      Thanks again for the recommendations.


      A lot of us are working harder than we want, at things we don't like to
      do. Why? ...In order to afford the sort of existence we don't care to live.
      -- Bradford Angier
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