Re: Distros... which for easy admin?? (also [linux-dell-laptops] Digest Number 2062)
Thanks for your post. There's a lot here to think about.
>[....]Good point. This is why I check to see if Linux will run on all the
>With a zillion (speaking metaphorically) different brands in the world,
>there is no Linux distro anywhere that will run on all of them. Period.
>Think about this. Zillions of different builders, all making computers
>for the same small software. Also, makers of peripherals also all making
>peripherals for the same small set of software.
hardware before ever buying a computer. Yes, it's generally a mistake
to buy the computer first and then see if Linux will install on it.
>[....]In a lot of cases it's possible to rely on the experiences of others.
>IN ANY CASE, YOU WILL NEED TO EXPERIMENT WITH VARIOUS DISTROS AND YOUR
>SPECIFIC HARDWARE, NO ONE UNLESS THEY HAVE THE SAME EXACT HARDWARE, CAN
>GIVE YOU ANY CERTAIN RECOMMENDATION, THEY CAN ONLY TELL YOU WHAT
>HAPPENED WITH THEIR SPECIFIC SYSTEM.
So, thankfully, I really don't have to try everything on my own. If
several people say that some application is broken and I can't find
anyone who says that they got it working (with instructions as to how
they did it), then I can probably assume that application is in fact broken.
In addition, I'm looking for a way to avoid doing a lot of unnecessary
administrative chores. Having to maintain several distributions would
require quite a bit more effort than maintaining just one. And if
there's just one distro to maintain, then perhaps I will have more time
to track down bugs, implement my own fixes, and share these with the
community at large. So by having a relatively low maintenance system, I
can make contributions to Linux which will help others. If, on the
other hand, I have to spend a lot of time just maintaining my system(s),
there's less time available to me for contributions.
>(Note that also what one does with a computer also is part of theIt's been a long time since I used dial-up, but I found that wvdial
>equation. For example, CentOs 4 looked good on my Dell Laptop Inspiron
>2650, except I need KPPP which did not work within the time I had
>available for the install and setup. If I used my machine on a high
>speed service, instead of dial-up, I would probably be using CentOs4 at
worked great. It wasn't a fancy GUI, but rather just a command line
utility, but it had my modem working in less than thirty seconds. (And
this after I'd struggled for half a day with other apps.)
>***Yes, that's a possible solution. I use "--nodeps" with great
>I realize there may be a problem compiling from source, with your [x
>needs y needs z needs z]. Or, I should better say I do not compile from
>source, thus really don't know how dependencies work on that method.
>With RPM's as such, this in itself is not really a problem at all. Type
>at a prompt, man rpm and you will see that you can install x with
>--nodeps and then y --nodeps and then z --nodeps.
>i.e. -- rpm -ivh --nodeps rpm-name.rpm
reservations, figuring I really shouldn't have to use it. And the XYZ
example I gave is the simplest possible example. In reality, the web of
dependencies and the dependencies on dependencies... is quite a bit more
extensive than my simple example. I worry about "--nodeps" hosing my
system, but I'm to the point where I'm ready to upgrade the whole thing
anyway, so I may as well throw a lot of crap into the grinder and see
>And, urpmi basically sorts out the dependencies for you.That's the rumor I've heard, but I've gotten dependency failures using
>If that is all the problem you have, you are indeed directly blessed byAre you implying I could practice faith-based systems administration? :)
>[....]I've done this kind of thing before and it was fun the first few times.
>Do remember from previous postings that if you have a large enough HD,
>you can install a number of distros on the same machine, and run
>whichever distro you want at a given moment. [....]
But I'm interested in doing other things now and just want to have a
stable and secure system or two for this. But thanks for the
suggestions. Perhaps someone else reading this will be inspired to try
Thanks again for the recommendations.
A lot of us are working harder than we want, at things we don't like to
do. Why? ...In order to afford the sort of existence we don't care to live.
-- Bradford Angier