Re: [linux-dell-laptops] Digest Number 2038
- Come on now this is really not helping. let it go.
On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 10:10 -0800, Chris Fox wrote:
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> Irlandes wrote:
> Foreword to the list: I am not going to engage in a flame war and this
> will be my only response to this meandering missive of bitter rage. I
> joined this list to talk about Linux on laptops, not to get into yet
> another round of this most tiresome and pointless non-controversy.
> | The reason I am using Linux on my laptop is because XP Home was freezing
> | solid an average of six times a day. Linux does not freeze six times a
> | day, period. In fact, after I switched to Linux, it was months before my
> | first lock-up and that was an application, the kernel did not die, all
> | my other work in progress was safe - unlike most freeze-ups in XP.
> And that is what we call an "anecdote." That's the singular. The
> plural is "anecdotes," not "evidence," much less "proof."
> A counter-anecdote: I've run Windows XP since it came out and never had
> it freeze up on me, not once, not ever. Period. And for a while I ran
> in on a sub-spec box, 75% of minimum RAM.
> Illumination: Every time I have seen an unstable XP box and had and
> opportunity to work on it I have found that without exception repeat
> without exception o/~ I'll say it again o/~ WITHOUT EXCEPTION the
> machine was running some idiotic anti-virus program like Norton or
> somethning that inserted its badly-written and intrusive self into every
> disk read and write, every memory access, everything, slowing the
> machine to a crawl and locked it up. Remove, delete, remove from the
> Run list, WHAM, stable machine.
> Of course if you were willing to, you know, LOOK at a problem and try to
> SOLVE IT then you might have had a better experience .. but that
> wouldn't give opportunities to express all this rancid bitterness, would it.
> Microsoft used to insist people learn to use their products; with later
> releases like W95 they shunned all that, stopped including manuals,
> started reassuring people with "just click," and instead of training
> people to operate email securely OEMs had rotten A/V software
> pre-installed and bundled. No books, no online help, we'll wipe your
> ass for you, just click. Here's your AOL install CD!!
> Your approach, "throw up hands in despair," isn't what I expect from the
> RTFM Linux crowd. Maybe you should stick with Windows.
> | I am more than capable of writing a major piece on lots of other reasons
> | Windows is inferior, and so could many other participants on this list.
> And I would expect a rambling stream of anedotes, most or all of which
> would turn out to be wild exaggerations if not whole inventions and
> propagations of urban legends. Been there before, no thanks.
> | I would suggest, based on your lengthy and inflammatory remarks, in
> | response to one word that you didn't like, that your only real choice
> | is to avoid ALL Linux mail lists and forums. People who use Linux very
> | often have indeed had really bad experiences with Windows, and Linux
> | forums are certainly the correct place to express those bad experiences.
> I should send you a proper response to this invitation; I will print
> your words on some fine laserjet foolscap, roll them into a thin tube
> fastened with hypoallergenic medical adhesive, and include a small
> bottle of petroleum jelly for easy insertion.
> I'll join any lists I want. Deal.
> | With your negative, hostile, and angry attitude, I can certainly
> | understand why you might feel unwelcome on Linux forums. I can't think
> | of any Linux forum anywhere where you will be treated nicely when you
> | call people liars and revolting cultists for stating their personal
> | experiences with Windows, not to mention escalating by more than 12,000
> | percent one word that offended you.
> Everything is archived, I'll let others judge relative inflammatory
> tone. (*chuckle*).
> Anyway, you are a fanatic, and like all fanatics entirely incapable of
> any objectivity anywhere near the topic of your fanaticism. WindowsXP
> has a great desktop and it would be hard for me to not use it at all;
> for my work I have no choice and in fact I have to run Longhorn now to
> do my work .. on the other hand I would cringe at the notion of running
> my home network on Windows, no way. There is a place for both OSs in my
> home, I'm on Windows now and could be on Linux or BSD in ten minutes.
> If you want to wring handkerchiefs about how Microsoft is destroying
> your life there are plenty of forums dedicated to it. Note the title of
> this one.
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