On 9 Jan 2010, at 19:10, GoetzK wrote:
>> Deb's approach sounds very sensible. So why don't we go by it?
> Yes. It is a good start.
Oh, drat. And here I was hoping this could be the end.
Goetz, you have been showing us and wanting us to talk about your
pictures and your theory for months now.
For my part, I don't *care* about these illustrations any more; in
fact, this over analysis has put me off caring about the Snark *at all*.
Your incessantly regular re-posting of links to your genius site has
pretty much squelched all other discussion on this list. Nobody much
had a chance to talk about Keith's new book, or my new edition of
Richards. Because it's alllllll about Goetz and his Rorschach readings
of some Holiday's drawings.
What a bore.
You go on and on explaining to us how you blow up badly pixellated
images and blur them, as though this had any merit at all. Holiday and
Carroll never ever considered pixels, unless perhaps in gazing at a
> Good question. And why would he display a mirror view of the mouth
> only (http://holiday.snrk.de/img/PriestInMouth2.jpg) without
> mirroring the whole head? Do we talk about shape and form or already
> about meaning?
Does anybody care? I sure don't. I'd really like to see this list talk
about something interesting for a change.
>> On the other hand, when you are provided with much more probable
>> connections - Huxley's, Hancher's and my own work on Tenniel's use
>> of Salvador Rosa's picture, found in a book owned by CARROLL - you
>> are not interested. There we have a real probable connection to
>> Carroll, and we can give a lot of context and a theory for the
>> reason the borrowing took place.
> Yes. That makes research easier and safer. What you found is pretty
> clear. There are lots of interesting things. And I don't question
> your findings. But I simply like Carroll's "Snark" a lot. And
> seemingly the cooperation between Carroll and Holiday went very well.
Yes, but you're spoiling our enjoyment of the Snark and indeed of
Holiday. Give it a rest! Take your theory over to http://thecarrollforum.proboards.com/
where you can start a thread, and if people are interested in the
thread they can talk with you about it there. But I (as moderator) am
really tired of getting the same old posts from you with the same old
links to the same old images week after week.
Maybe your ideas have some merit, but they've ceased to be
interesting, or fresh.
>> This why I keep telling you that your project reminds me of not
>> seeing the forest for the trees, or looking so intently at the
>> stars that one falls into a Wonderland well, to one's own peril.
Fernando, I think your use of metaphor is falling on deaf ears.
> Gaussian bluring helps to focus on the forest without getting
> distracted by the trees.
No it doesn't; nor does it have any relevance to the clarity which
Carroll and Holiday sought.
> People who knew and know that, used that trick in old times by
> watching the scene through bird feathers. Today GIMP helps (http://holiday.snrk.de/SnarkSearch.cgi
> ). People, who do not know that when comparing images, call the
> result "blurry crap".
I know how to squint to see something. I also know that I am little
interested in looking and your blurry crap any longer.
I'd like to consider this topic closed for AT LEAST six months. Goetz,
take it to the other forum. Anybody else, you want to talk about it,
please do it on the other forum. The topic is smothering all other
If you won't take this advice, I may choose to exercise my powers as
moderator. Not out of animosity toward you or toward your work, but
out of a concern for the welfare of the discussions on this forum.
Respectfully (whether you believe me or not),