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• In AAIW, C11, the jury adds up 14, 15, and 16 and reduced the answer to shillings and pence. Acc to the dictionary: 4 farthings = 1 penny 12 pence = 1
Message 1 of 3 , Jun 30, 2009
In AAIW, C11, the jury adds up 14, 15, and 16 "and reduced the
answer to shillings and pence."
Acc to the dictionary:

4 farthings = 1 penny
12 pence = 1 shilling
20 shillings = 1 pound
21 shillings = 1 guinea

The sum of 14, 15, and 16 is 45. Hence, they could not have been
adding up farthings, as 45 farthings is less than 1 shilling, but the
sum was "shillings and pence." Hence, they were adding pence. 45 pence
reduces to 3 shilling and 9 pence. 3 + 9 = 12, the number of jurors.

Later, "one of the guinea-pigs cheered." I see no previous mention
of guinea-pigs in this chapter, and possibly in no previous chapter.
Probably I'm missing something. Did CLD write something about
guinea-pigs in an early draft of C11, then drop it, creating an
inconsistency?

The guinea-pig was put into a bag head-first, and then the officers
sat on it? Is CLD possibly referring to callous treatment of
experimental animals, or "guinea pigs"? Or is this a satirical pun on
"bag." Bag, v.t. can mean"To put into or cover with a bag, as game" or
"To kill or capture in hunting." A guinea-pig is only about 7 inches
long. Or was there a childrens sport or game, in which a guinea-pig was
released, and then they tried to recapture it and put it into a bag?

Guinea-pigs were probably carried from S. America to England by
slave ships from Guinea. What did a guinea-pig cost in England? Was it
inexpensive, costing only a few pence or shillings? Or did it cost, say,
a guinea? If so, might a guinea-pig in a bag cost a guinea?
• ... They appear in The Rabbit Sends in a Little Bill : The poor little Lizard, Bill, was in the middle, being held up by two guinea-pigs, who were giving it
Message 2 of 3 , Jun 30, 2009
On 30 Jun 2009, at 16:32, knaveofarts wrote:

> Later, "one of the guinea-pigs cheered." I see no previous
> mention
> of guinea-pigs in this chapter, and possibly in no previous chapter.

They appear in "The Rabbit Sends in a Little Bill":

"The poor little Lizard, Bill, was in the middle, being held up by two
guinea-pigs, who were giving it something out of a bottle."

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
• ... In 1.5 the two guinea-pigs are supporting Bill the Lizard, to whom they are apparently giving brandy from a bottle. So he may be still tipsy when he goes
Message 3 of 3 , Jul 11 8:26 AM
--- In lewiscarroll@yahoogroups.com, Michael Everson <everson@...> wrote:
>
> On 30 Jun 2009, at 16:32, knaveofarts wrote:
>
> > Later, "one of the guinea-pigs cheered." I see no previous
> > mention
> > of guinea-pigs in this chapter, and possibly in no previous chapter.
>
> They appear in "The Rabbit Sends in a Little Bill":
>
> "The poor little Lizard, Bill, was in the middle, being held up by two
> guinea-pigs, who were giving it something out of a bottle."
>
> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>

In 1.5 the two guinea-pigs are supporting Bill the Lizard, to whom they are apparently giving brandy from a bottle. So he may be still tipsy when he goes to court, and the two guinea-pigs may have accompanied him, supporting him on each arm. Apparently the WR selected Bill to be on the jury, perhaps as the foreman, although Pat seems to be the foreman of the WR's domestic work-crew. Are the guinea-pigs also jurors, or are they in the courtroom? Why does Alice say: "Come, that finishes the guinea-pigs!" thought Alice. "Now we shall get on better." Is it because the guinea-pigs, in cheering the King, are hostile to the Hatter, a human? Perhaps everyone in the back of the Court are Cards, that is, of human appearance, and Alice is more comfortable among her kind?
In this vein, could Wonderland be the model of an English colonial society, divided into native birds and animals, and Cards, some of whom constitute an aristocracy? The March Hare is an aristocrat, but he seems to be a marquis, which ranks below duke. Perhaps he represents the preexisting native aristocracy? However, the Duchess, who may have had a half pig-baby, may have already `gone native,' with a guinea-pig, although perhaps the Knave of Hearts thinks he is the father; he seems to be involved in some kind of 'funny business'. Perhaps the guinea-pigs are the native equivalent of dukes, for there are no dukes nor duchesses in a deck of cards. Perhaps the Hatter can't ingratiate himself with the English aristocracy, and so spends time with the March Hare But both are somewhat abusive of the native Dormouse, so the native aristocracy may not have been much better than the aristocracy imposed by the conquering foreign Cards. The WR may have been commissioned by the English government to be a figurehead on the Wonderland Court, as the King of Hearts wants to show that his treatment of the natives is just, although we see from the abuse of birds and animals in 1.8 that it isn't. Hence, the jury consists entirely of natives. If the two guineas pigs are jurors, then their suppression means that the jury no longer has a quorum., and, in the end, it is the Cards, not the natives, who judge, or attack, Alice. Perhaps Alice has been getting along too well with the natives, and the Cards are afraid she may lead a popular revolt? If AAIW is a model of an English colony, is TTLG an image of a civil war, modeled on the chess game, with contention between the Red and the White? Possibly the combat between Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee represents civil war.
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