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  • christopher macrae
    I am offline for 10 days from Aug 6 so this may be last post for a while. I would like to raise some questions about all these big words like knowledge. One of
    Message 1 of 5 , Aug 2, 2007
      I am offline for 10 days from Aug 6 so this may be last post for a while.
       
      I would like to raise some questions about all these big words like knowledge. One of the very sad - I would call it pathetic and dismal and impoverishing - things to have happened in richer North Western hemispheres is that someone explores the life-enhancing importance of a big word, and then over the next decade or two bureaucrats, ad-agents, accountants and others who profit by powering other people's productive freedoms and diverse dignities and communal spaces turn the whole literature of that word the wrong way round. Welcome to what George Soros calls the Age of Fallibility - globally webbed it will doubtless end the sustainability of all our children unless we do what Gorden Brown wishes now  (footnoted).
       
      This verbal-sickness applies to the english word knowledge. If anyone actually reads what peter drucker said about knowledge (his obsession as he saw it changing the future, and he saw most big organisation's managers abusing it) , they well find his explorations systemically the exact opposite of what eg the European Union funds as Knowledge Management. I debated this with about 500 Europeans in real meetings as well as the virtual community knowlegeboard.com - in fact Andrius even presented a paper in Italy at the tail end of this debate. Before Drucker there was Gandhi. Gandhi spent 12 years 1906-1918 thinking through truth whilst he was in S Africa before spending the next 30 years system-revolting peacefully against the British Raj until India was free. My maternal grandad happened to be the British Raj judge who first imprisoned Gandhi in the 1920s and later wrote up the legalese of India's indepedence in 1940s. The seed for Gandhi's truth searching (satyagraha) that he worked through between 1906-1918 was what I call:
      but he  Gandhi called "knowledge being that which liberates us"- that is actually the motto of the educational and university system that Gandhi founded in 1920 and which exists until this day
       
      Although this may make knowledge sound important, it is actually experiential learning that the vast majority of youth need to apprentice in and thereby get work that is useful in the community as well as empowering its sustainability- the taddy blecher interveiw makes this abundantly clear http://www.valuetrue.com/home/gallery.cfm
       
      This bringhs us to a particular group of people who the late 20th C world currently asks to do exactly the wrong things with their talents: mathematicians
       
      - these people should look for humanity's biggest puzzles;
      * use their ability to connect what others dont see as connected in such a way to give a MAP that helps those people with a problem solve it
       
      (NB such mathematicians should not be too closely involved with either those trying to solve the problem or those who caused the problem) because that always biases how truly usful the map/proposed solution can be. My dad did a biography of John Von Neumann - and that was John's main lesson in life for all of us. JvN advanced the computers you used today and raised the ultimate economics questions- well we treasure map systems spinning above zero-sum human relations exchanges. Relevant because open learning is the gatesway to every above zero-sum economic map ever found. What other collaborative energiser can sustain value multipliers apart from open actionable learning? Gandhi never found any other way to dynmaise be the change and I think we'd be utterly foolishly to ignore that fact in this the centenary year of his truth searching, but then 99.999999% of the media (broadcast and virtual community philanthropic to name but 2) will help you argue against me
       
      I am sorry if these different aspects of learning and knowledge sound like more detail than you want. But without knowing which of these details a particular conversation is really about, all conversations on knowledge are mpossible for me to follow, and while I am not the brightest of us I doubt a lot if they are a good use of your time if you and your peers have urgent empowerment problems to map, knowhow-to-do and system change to navigate through conflicts that have historically powered over a place and the wellbeings of its communities 
       
      chris macrae us 301 881 1655
      verbal sickness of entrepreneur http://erworld.tv
       
      Gordon Brown Launches people Power at UN July 31
      So it is time to call into action the eighth of the Millennium Goals so we can meet the first seven. Let us remember Millennium Development Goal eight – to call into being, beyond governments alone, a global partnership for development, and together harness the energy, the ideas and the talents of the private sector, consumers, NGOs and faith groups, and citizens everywhere. The sum of all the individual actions working together to achieve real change. Some people call it the mobilisation of soft power…I call it people power. People power in support of the leadership of developing countries.
       

      samuel kongere <samkongere2004@...> wrote:
      Dear Maria,
       
      This is not a different project we all do, but we have to consider what caring we have for thinking about knowledge. We must have to evaluate the knowledge we have inf orm of expertise to tackle challenges. Not assuming responsibilities, this will make us capable of handling our affairs with literacy.
       
      Great to hear of your concern. I am only asking those in the forum to explore knowledge based  approach and mind set to grass root empowerment which is not possible without knowledge, know how, effectiveness and fluency.
       
      Cheers,
      Sam.


      Samwel Okech kongere
      Nyamuga primary school
      P.O BOX 191,
      MBITA  040305-KENYA.
      Cell: +254 725 600 439
      Information Networking and E-learning Trainings
      UDOGO youth development/ Miniciu-Sodas Laboratories

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    • samuel kongere
      Chris, A desire of knowledge is the natural feeling of mankind; and every human being whose mind is not debauched will be willing to give all that he has to
      Message 2 of 5 , Aug 3, 2007
        Chris,
         
        A desire of knowledge is the natural feeling of mankind; and every human being whose mind is not debauched will be willing to give all that he has to get knowledge. ...if we are willing to abandon our usual coercive tactics and approach our problems sideways and kitty-corner we stand a good chance of finding our way through some interesting gates of knowlegde.
        I hope knowledge is specific to learners and managers, education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities--that's training or instruction--but is rather a making visible what is hidden as a seed...To be educated, a person doesn't have to know much or be informed, but he or she does have to have been exposed vulnerably to the transformative events of an engaged human life...
        One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated. even without success, creative persons find joy in a job well done. Learning for its own sake is rewarding...if the next generation is to face the future with zest and self-confidence, we must educate them to be original as well as competent this what I term as Knowledge Based approach desire.One must learn by doing the thing, for though you think you know it, you have no certainty until you try it out.
         
        Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but we rather have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.We can get over being poor, but it takes longer to get over being ignorant so knowledge approach can minimise this.
         
        "The fact is, that to do anything in the world worth doing, we must not stand back shivering and thinking of the cold and danger, but jump in and scramble through as well as we can".(Robert Cushing)
        I am also informing our members through this, I will be offline all through the next week from 5th -12th Aug.
        Sam
        christopher macrae <chris.macrae@...> wrote:
        I am offline for 10 days from Aug 6 so this may be last post for a while.
         
        I would like to raise some questions about all these big words like knowledge. One of the very sad - I would call it pathetic and dismal and impoverishing - things to have happened in richer North Western hemispheres is that someone explores the life-enhancing importance of a big word, and then over the next decade or two bureaucrats, ad-agents, accountants and others who profit by powering other people's productive freedoms and diverse dignities and communal spaces turn the whole literature of that word the wrong way round. Welcome to what George Soros calls the Age of Fallibility - globally webbed it will doubtless end the sustainability of all our children unless we do what Gorden Brown wishes now  (footnoted).
         
        This verbal-sickness applies to the english word knowledge. If anyone actually reads what peter drucker said about knowledge (his obsession as he saw it changing the future, and he saw most big organisation' s managers abusing it) , they well find his explorations systemically the exact opposite of what eg the European Union funds as Knowledge Management. I debated this with about 500 Europeans in real meetings as well as the virtual community knowlegeboard. com - in fact Andrius even presented a paper in Italy at the tail end of this debate. Before Drucker there was Gandhi. Gandhi spent 12 years 1906-1918 thinking through truth whilst he was in S Africa before spending the next 30 years system-revolting peacefully against the British Raj until India was free. My maternal grandad happened to be the British Raj judge who first imprisoned Gandhi in the 1920s and later wrote up the legalese of India's indepedence in 1940s. The seed for Gandhi's truth searching (satyagraha) that he worked through between 1906-1918 was what I call:
        but he  Gandhi called "knowledge being that which liberates us"- that is actually the motto of the educational and university system that Gandhi founded in 1920 and which exists until this day
         
        Although this may make knowledge sound important, it is actually experiential learning that the vast majority of youth need to apprentice in and thereby get work that is useful in the community as well as empowering its sustainability- the taddy blecher interveiw makes this abundantly clear http://www.valuetru e.com/home/ gallery.cfm
         
        This bringhs us to a particular group of people who the late 20th C world currently asks to do exactly the wrong things with their talents: mathematicians
         
        - these people should look for humanity's biggest puzzles;
        * use their ability to connect what others dont see as connected in such a way to give a MAP that helps those people with a problem solve it
         
        (NB such mathematicians should not be too closely involved with either those trying to solve the problem or those who caused the problem) because that always biases how truly usful the map/proposed solution can be. My dad did a biography of John Von Neumann - and that was John's main lesson in life for all of us. JvN advanced the computers you used today and raised the ultimate economics questions- well we treasure map systems spinning above zero-sum human relations exchanges. Relevant because open learning is the gatesway to every above zero-sum economic map ever found. What other collaborative energiser can sustain value multipliers apart from open actionable learning? Gandhi never found any other way to dynmaise be the change and I think we'd be utterly foolishly to ignore that fact in this the centenary year of his truth searching, but then 99.999999% of the media (broadcast and virtual community philanthropic to name but 2) will help you argue against me
         
        I am sorry if these different aspects of learning and knowledge sound like more detail than you want. But without knowing which of these details a particular conversation is really about, all conversations on knowledge are mpossible for me to follow, and while I am not the brightest of us I doubt a lot if they are a good use of your time if you and your peers have urgent empowerment problems to map, knowhow-to-do and system change to navigate through conflicts that have historically powered over a place and the wellbeings of its communities 
         
        chris macrae us301 881 1655
        verbal sickness of entrepreneur http://erworld. tv
         
        Gordon Brown Launches people Power at UN July 31
        So it is time to call into action the eighth of the Millennium Goals so we can meet the first seven. Let us remember Millennium Development Goal eight – to call into being, beyond governments alone, a global partnership for development, and together harness the energy, the ideas and the talents of the private sector, consumers, NGOs and faith groups, and citizens everywhere. The sum of all the individual actions working together to achieve real change. Some people call it the mobilisation of soft power…I call it people power. People power in support of the leadership of developing countries.
         

        samuel kongere <samkongere2004@ yahoo.com> wrote:
        Dear Maria,
         
        This is not a different project we all do, but we have to consider what caring we have for thinking about knowledge. We must have to evaluate the knowledge we have inf orm of expertise to tackle challenges. Not assuming responsibilities, this will make us capable of handling our affairs with literacy.
         
        Great to hear of your concern. I am only asking those in the forum to explore knowledge based  approach and mind set to grass root empowerment which is not possible without knowledge, know how, effectiveness and fluency.
         
        Cheers,
        Sam.


        Samwel Okech kongere
        Nyamuga primary school
        P.O BOX 191,
        MBITA  040305-KENYA.
        Cell: +254 725 600 439
        Information Networking and E-learning Trainings
        UDOGO youth development/ Miniciu-Sodas Laboratories

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        Nyamuga primary school
        P.O BOX 191,
        MBITA  040305-KENYA.
        Cell: +254 725 600 439
        Information Networking and E-learning Trainings
        UDOGO youth development/Miniciu-Sodas Laboratories


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      • David mutua
        Hi Sam, Chris, Andrius, Maria and Others, I must apologise for lurking behind on this discussion. This area of information building knowledge is been my
        Message 3 of 5 , Aug 3, 2007
          Hi Sam, Chris, Andrius, Maria and Others,

          I must apologise for lurking behind on this
          discussion.

          This area of information building knowledge is been my
          greatest interest, especially looking at the reason
          why there are differences in people's lives, African
          countries (Like Kenya) rural areas composes majority
          (70 -75%) of the population that is information and
          knowledge poor, most of the economic activities are
          based in these areas where technological knowledge is
          lacking.

          Knowledge is and remains the greatest treasure for any
          conscious individual and nation with an ambitious
          vision; it is the ultimate legacy of man's existence
          on the planet Earth.

          Information: -
          Information is the raw material on which Knowledge is
          built, and therefore access to relevant information
          and knowledge forms the basis of the new knowledge
          economy
          Receiving Information and knowledge must be recognized
          as a basic human right as communication is no longer a
          privilege.

          Technological Knowledge: -
          The lack of technological knowledge is the reason for
          the wide disparity between the rich and the poor
          nations. The 500 richest people on Earth have more
          money than the 3 billion poorest people on Earth.
          Because the rich nations are getting richer much
          faster than the poor nations, the gap between the rich
          and poor will continue to widen.

          This gap can be closed if African nations focus on
          developing an economy that is knowledge and technology
          based, instead of one that is based on the export of
          natural resources."

          A few millennia ago, Africa were the first to enter
          the Agricultural Age. The first to build in stones.
          The first to pioneer in technology. Today, Africa is
          behind every continent in technology and as a result
          is the poorest continent.
          Technological knowledge can be used to create wealth
          and alleviate poverty in Africa.

          Kwame Nkrumah said; "Socialism without science is
          void"
          Therefore, we cannot reduce poverty in Africa without
          scientists and engineers.

          I believe in provision of relevant and timely
          information, quality informal and formal
          learning/skill building opportunities through well
          developed and acceptable systems and tools.

          With warm regards,

          David



          --- samuel kongere <samkongere2004@...> wrote:

          > Chris,
          >
          > A desire of knowledge is the natural feeling of
          > mankind; and every human being whose mind is not
          > debauched will be willing to give all that he has to
          > get knowledge. ...if we are willing to abandon our
          > usual coercive tactics and approach our problems
          > sideways and kitty-corner we stand a good chance of
          > finding our way through some interesting gates of
          > knowlegde.
          >
          > I hope knowledge is specific to learners and
          > managers, education is not the piling on of
          > learning, information, data, facts, skills, or
          > abilities--that's training or instruction--but is
          > rather a making visible what is hidden as a
          > seed...To be educated, a person doesn't have to know
          > much or be informed, but he or she does have to have
          > been exposed vulnerably to the transformative events
          > of an engaged human life...
          >
          > One of the greatest problems of our time is that
          > many are schooled but few are educated. even without
          > success, creative persons find joy in a job well
          > done. Learning for its own sake is rewarding...if
          > the next generation is to face the future with zest
          > and self-confidence, we must educate them to be
          > original as well as competent this what I term as
          > Knowledge Based approach desire.One must learn by
          > doing the thing, for though you think you know it,
          > you have no certainty until you try it out.
          >
          > Excellence is an art won by training and
          > habituation. We do not act rightly because we have
          > virtue or excellence, but we rather have those
          > because we have acted rightly. We are what we
          > repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a
          > habit.We can get over being poor, but it takes
          > longer to get over being ignorant so knowledge
          > approach can minimise this.
          >
          > "The fact is, that to do anything in the world
          > worth doing, we must not stand back shivering and
          > thinking of the cold and danger, but jump in and
          > scramble through as well as we can".(Robert Cushing)
          >
          > I am also informing our members through this, I
          > will be offline all through the next week from 5th
          > -12th Aug.
          > Sam
          > christopher macrae <chris.macrae@...>
          > wrote:
          > I am offline for 10 days from Aug 6 so
          > this may be last post for a while.
          >
          > I would like to raise some questions about all
          > these big words like knowledge. One of the very sad
          > - I would call it pathetic and dismal and
          > impoverishing - things to have happened in richer
          > North Western hemispheres is that someone explores
          > the life-enhancing importance of a big word, and
          > then over the next decade or two bureaucrats,
          > ad-agents, accountants and others who profit by
          > powering other people's productive freedoms and
          > diverse dignities and communal spaces turn the whole
          > literature of that word the wrong way round. Welcome
          > to what George Soros calls the Age of Fallibility -
          > globally webbed it will doubtless end the
          > sustainability of all our children unless we do what
          > Gorden Brown wishes now (footnoted).
          >
          > This verbal-sickness applies to the english word
          > knowledge. If anyone actually reads what peter
          > drucker said about knowledge (his obsession as he
          > saw it changing the future, and he saw most big
          > organisation's managers abusing it) , they well find
          > his explorations systemically the exact opposite of
          > what eg the European Union funds as Knowledge
          > Management. I debated this with about 500 Europeans
          > in real meetings as well as the virtual community
          > knowlegeboard.com - in fact Andrius even presented a
          > paper in Italy at the tail end of this debate.
          > Before Drucker there was Gandhi. Gandhi spent 12
          > years 1906-1918 thinking through truth whilst he was
          > in S Africa before spending the next 30 years
          > system-revolting peacefully against the British Raj
          > until India was free. My maternal grandad happened
          > to be the British Raj judge who first imprisoned
          > Gandhi in the 1920s and later wrote up the legalese
          > of India's indepedence in 1940s. The seed for
          > Gandhi's truth searching (satyagraha)
          > that he worked through between 1906-1918 was what I
          > call:
          > learning flows
          > http://www.valuetrue.com/home/gallery.cfm
          > but he Gandhi called "knowledge being that which
          > liberates us"- that is actually the motto of the
          > educational and university system that Gandhi
          > founded in 1920 and which exists until this day
          >
          > Although this may make knowledge sound important,
          > it is actually experiential learning that the vast
          > majority of youth need to apprentice in and thereby
          > get work that is useful in the community as well as
          > empowering its sustainability- the taddy blecher
          > interveiw makes this abundantly clear
          > http://www.valuetrue.com/home/gallery.cfm
          >
          > This bringhs us to a particular group of people
          > who the late 20th C world currently asks to do
          > exactly the wrong things with their talents:
          > mathematicians
          >
          > - these people should look for humanity's biggest
          > puzzles;
          > * use their ability to connect what others dont
          > see as connected in such a way to give a MAP that
          > helps those people with a problem solve it
          >
          > (NB such mathematicians should not be too closely
          > involved with either those trying to solve the
          > problem or those who caused the problem) because
          > that always biases how truly usful the map/proposed
          > solution can be. My dad did a biography of John Von
          > Neumann - and that was John's main lesson in life
          > for all of us. JvN advanced the computers you used
          > today and raised the ultimate economics questions-
          > well we treasure map systems spinning above zero-sum
          > human relations exchanges. Relevant because open
          > learning is the gatesway to every above zero-sum
          > economic map ever found. What other collaborative
          > energiser can sustain value multipliers apart from
          > open actionable learning? Gandhi never found any
          > other way to dynmaise be the change and I think we'd
          > be utterly foolishly to ignore that fact in this the
          > centenary year of his truth searching, but then
          > 99.999999% of the media (broadcast and virtual
          > community philanthropic to name but 2) will help you
          > argue against me
          >
          > I am sorry if these different aspects of learning
          > and knowledge sound like more detail than you want.
          > But without knowing which of these details a
          > particular conversation is really about, all
          > conversations on knowledge are mpossible for me to
          > follow, and while I am not the brightest of us I
          > doubt a lot if they are a good use of your time if
          > you and your peers have urgent empowerment problems
          > to map, knowhow-to-do and system change to navigate
          > through conflicts that have historically powered
          > over a place and the wellbeings of its communities
          >
          > chris macrae us 301 881 1655
          > http://peoplepower.jp http://passports.jp
          > verbal sickness of entrepreneur http://erworld.tv
          >
          > http://wiki.espians.com/Mathematician
          >
          > Gordon Brown Launches people Power at UN July 31
          > So it is time to call into action the eighth of
          > the Millennium Goals so we can meet the first seven.
          > Let us remember Millennium Development Goal eight –
          > to call into being, beyond governments alone, a
          > global partnership for development, and together
          > harness the energy, the ideas and the talents of the
          > private sector, consumers, NGOs and faith groups,
          > and citizens everywhere. The sum of all the
          > individual actions working together to achieve real
          > change. Some people call it the mobilisation of soft
          > power…I call it people power. People power in
          > support of the leadership of developing countries.
          > http://wiki.espians.com/People_power
          >
          >
          > samuel kongere <samkongere2004@...> wrote:
          > Dear Maria,
          >
          > This is not a different project we all do, but we
          > have to consider what caring we have for thinking
          > about knowledge. We must have to evaluate the
          > knowledge we have inf orm of expertise to tackle
          > challenges. Not assuming responsibilities, this will
          > make us capable of handling our affairs with
          > literacy.
          >
          > Great to hear of your concern. I am only asking
          > those in the forum to explore knowledge based
          > approach and mind set to grass root empowerment
          > which is not possible without knowledge, know how,
          > effectiveness and fluency.
          >
          > Cheers,
          > Sam.
          >
          >
          > Samwel Okech kongere
          > Nyamuga primary school
          > P.O BOX 191,
          > MBITA 040305-KENYA.
          > Cell: +254 725 600 439
          > Information Networking and E-learning Trainings
          > UDOGO youth development/Miniciu-Sodas Laboratories
          >
          >
          >
          >
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          > Samwel Okech kongere
          > Nyamuga primary school
          > P.O BOX 191,
          > MBITA 040305-KENYA.
          > Cell: +254 725 600 439
          > Information Networking and E-learning Trainings
          > UDOGO youth development/Miniciu-Sodas Laboratories
          >
          >
          >
          >
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        • christopher macrae
          Hi Not sure if we have already discussed this competition - deadline appears a week away; already one ICT entrant from Kenya...dont know anything more than
          Message 4 of 5 , Aug 8, 2007
            Hi
             
            Not sure if we have already discussed this competition - deadline appears a week away; already one ICT entrant from Kenya...dont know anything more than what appeared in my inbox!
             
             
            According to Rinalia Abdul Rahim, Executive Director of the GKP Secretariat in Kuala
            Lumpur, “We are overwhelmed by the positive response that we have garnered thus far.
            The quality of applications that we have received is an indication of the immense
            interest and potential in social entrepreneurship that harnesses Information and
            Communication Technology (ICT)”.

            “We have received applications from all over the world – from the Philippines, to
            Pakistan, to Ghana and Kenya. This truly global competition will recognise the creativity,
            passion and talent of youth across world and will act as a launchpad for them to achieve
            their full capabilities”, she added.

            One such social enterprise entered so far is Kenya-based EDTEC, an organisation
            which envisions an empowered community with equal access to resources. According to
            the organisation’s founder, Kennedy Onyango, “a lack of access to information due to
            limited use of ICT by the most vulnerable, such as youth and women, provides a
            breeding ground for poverty.” He continued to say that EdTECH is concerned with the
            welfare of youth, since youth remain the agents of change in their respective
            communities.

            Many young people have an interest in contributing towards a better future, but job
            offers in the traditional development sector are limited. A social enterprise with its
            double or triple bottom-line allows them to both earn an income and realise their passion
            for positive social and/or environmental impact. Their social business model also
            addresses the challenge of financial sustainability that many traditional, grant-funded
            development projects face.

            Through the competition GKP will select 100 winners who will be sponsored to attend
            the up coming Young Social Entrepreneurs Forum at the Third Global Knowledge
            Conference, GK3, in Kuala Lumpur. www.GKPEventsontheFuture.org
            The competition is fully web-based and is open to all regions of the globe, and closes on
            15 August 2007. The competition will be judged by an independent online jury and the
            winners will be announced on 1 October 2007. Application details and jury evaluation
            results will be viewable to the public who will also be able to post comments at
            www.globalknowledge.org/ysecompetition07

            At the Forum, 10 of the winners will ‘pitch’ their enterprises to experts to secure funding.
            All 100 winners will take part in a dedicated networking session; meet various funding
            organisations, mentors, experts and other stakeholders; be part of a crowd of innovative
            and motivated young people; mingle and network with the 2000 general GK3
            participants and showcase their social businesses.


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