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  • Pamela McLean
    Samwel wrote We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but
    Message 1 of 22 , May 23, 2007
      Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but if we can not do it, Andrius will take the lead".

      Hi Samwel and everyone

      I am very pleased that you - Samwel -  are planning to do the Webinar from Tanzania.

      I imagine, from some earlier information exchanges that you will focus on health issues, especially malaria. Is that correct?  It will help if you can quickly list your concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if you have any problems linking up at the start of the Webinar we will  be able to include your concerns in the discussions. If you have any urls to share as well, or photos please send them too - but not essential.

      I imagine that you will be far too busy to think about the Webinar during the e-learning conference - and waiting until afterwards would be leaving it too late. Please send your reply as soon as you can.

      We will need to start inviting other people to your Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to plan if they are going to be able to attend, and I think a good number of people could be interested. (Even if we would be happy with quite a small discussion, we still need to build the numbers.)

      Numbers are important because Asif is only able to offer a series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the sponsor) sees that the number of participants is steadily increasing.

      I hope we will have a Webinar series addressing various concerns related to education and health, It is great to have this opportunity. I am  excited that we are have started to build a small, but growing, team of people who are signing in to Webinars, finding out what happens, and becoming willing to take an increasingly active role. I hope this will keep growing.

      Please everyone spread the word. Through the Webinars, people who have shared interests but very different perspectives, can come together to discuss issues (using text and voice) while sharing information such as photos, diagrams, websites and other images on the inter-active whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first - at least I found it so - but then, I do not like learning new techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists strange and intimidating at first. Now I am happy with yahoo lists and also happy with Webinars. Please let people know that if they come to a Webinar for the first time other people will be ready to help them feel welcome. New people can simply watch and listen until they feel ready to do more. We are there to Learn From Each Other - each at our own pace - to share what we know - and to gradually develop new knowledge and understanding.

      I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June 7th.

      Pam
    • Pamela McLean
      Message 2 of 22 , May 23, 2007
        Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but if we can not do it, Andrius will take the lead".

        Hi Samwel and everyone

        I am very pleased that you - Samwel -  are planning to do the Webinar from Tanzania.

        I imagine, from some earlier information exchanges that you will focus on health issues, especially malaria. Is that correct?  It will help if you can quickly list your concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if you have any problems linking up at the start of the Webinar we will  be able to include your concerns in the discussions. If you have any urls to share as well, or photos please send them too - but not essential.

        I imagine that you will be far too busy to think about the Webinar during the e-learning conference - and waiting until afterwards would be leaving it too late. Please send your reply as soon as you can.

        We will need to start inviting other people to your Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to plan if they are going to be able to attend, and I think a good number of people could be interested. (Even if we would be happy with quite a small discussion, we still need to build the numbers.)

        Numbers are important because Asif is only able to offer a series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the sponsor) sees that the number of participants is steadily increasing.

        I hope we will have a Webinar series addressing various concerns related to education and health, It is great to have this opportunity. I am  excited that we are have started to build a small, but growing, team of people who are signing in to Webinars, finding out what happens, and becoming willing to take an increasingly active role. I hope this will keep growing.

        Please everyone spread the word. Through the Webinars, people who have shared interests but very different perspectives, can come together to discuss issues (using text and voice) while sharing information such as photos, diagrams, websites and other images on the inter-active whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first - at least I found it so - but then, I do not like learning new techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists strange and intimidating at first. Now I am happy with yahoo lists and also happy with Webinars. Please let people know that if they come to a Webinar for the first time other people will be ready to help them feel welcome. New people can simply watch and listen until they feel ready to do more. We are there to Learn From Each Other - each at our own pace - to share what we know - and to gradually develop new knowledge and understanding.

        I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June 7th.

        Pam

      • ibrahim halkano
        Hi, Samwel kindly find time to visit me when you come to Daressalaam. i would like to participating in the webinar you would be doing from here. i would also
        Message 3 of 22 , May 24, 2007
          Hi,
          Samwel kindly find time to visit me when you come to Daressalaam. i would like to participating in the webinar you would be doing from here. i would also want to look into areas of interest in Information technology. I would then share experiences i had working with parastals in 5 countries in africa implementing an enterprise resource planing applications.
           
          best of regards


          Pamela McLean <pam@...> wrote:
          Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but if we can not do it, Andrius will take the lead".

          Hi Samwel and everyone

          I am very pleased that you - Samwel -  are planning to do the Webinar from Tanzania.

          I imagine, from some earlier information exchanges that you will focus on health issues, especially malaria. Is that correct?  It will help if you can quickly list your concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if you have any problems linking up at the start of the Webinar we will  be able to include your concerns in the discussions. If you have any urls to share as well, or photos please send them too - but not essential.

          I imagine that you will be far too busy to think about the Webinar during the e-learning conference - and waiting until afterwards would be leaving it too late. Please send your reply as soon as you can.

          We will need to start inviting other people to your Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to plan if they are going to be able to attend, and I think a good number of people could be interested. (Even if we would be happy with quite a small discussion, we still need to build the numbers.)

          Numbers are important because Asif is only able to offer a series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the sponsor) sees that the number of participants is steadily increasing.

          I hope we will have a Webinar series addressing various concerns related to education and health, It is great to have this opportunity. I am  excited that we are have started to build a small, but growing, team of people who are signing in to Webinars, finding out what happens, and becoming willing to take an increasingly active role. I hope this will keep growing.

          Please everyone spread the word. Through the Webinars, people who have shared interests but very different perspectives, can come together to discuss issues (using text and voice) while sharing information such as photos, diagrams, websites and other images on the inter-active whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first - at least I found it so - but then, I do not like learning new techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists strange and intimidating at first. Now I am happy with yahoo lists and also happy with Webinars. Please let people know that if they come to a Webinar for the first time other people will be ready to help them feel welcome. New people can simply watch and listen until they feel ready to do more. We are there to Learn From Each Other - each at our own pace - to share what we know - and to gradually develop new knowledge and understanding.

          I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June 7th.

          Pam




          Kindest Regards,

          Ibrahim Halkano A
          Oracle Functional Consultant
          Vesl Technologies Limited
          JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
          Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
          Tel: +255-22-2135336
          Fax:+255-22-2135428
          Cell:+255-784-493775
          Website: www.vesltech.com


          Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.

        • Pamela McLean
          Ibrahim and Asif and everyone, Ibrahim - I am delighted that you are interested in Samwel s Webinar. I hope you and Samwel will be able to meet so that he can
          Message 4 of 22 , May 25, 2007
            Ibrahim and Asif and everyone,
             
            Ibrahim - I am delighted that you are interested in Samwel's Webinar.  I hope you and Samwel will be able to meet so that he can tell you all about it - but even if that is not possible you will still be able to participate.  All you need really is to be able to go online, and listen as well as watch.  If you have a microphone so much the better, because then you can speak to all the other participants.  But a microphone is not essential. It is always possible to "say" what you want to say by typing into the text box.  In fact Fred joined in last time even though he could not hear what was going on.  He was able to join in the typed chat, and he could see the PowerPoint slides that were displayed, Sasha and others typed comments to Fred about what was being said.
             
            We hope that gradually more of the members of our group who are in Africa will be able to overcome their difficulties with Internet access and join in Webinars as well as contributing to this group by email.  If you have difficulty joining a Webinar please let us know the problem, because sometimes if we share problems then we can find solutions. 

            Asif  - Please will you post details for Ibrahim of exactly what the technical requirements are, and how people join.
             
            Ibrahim - I note that you are particularly interested in participating in a Webinar about ICT.  We definitely hope to have Webinars around that topic.  The plan is to have a series of LearningFromEachOther Webinars where we can join together to share our endeavours, knowledge and questions about health and education.
             
            There will be an emphasis on ICT-enabled endeavours because ICT is important for communication, and communication is important for collaboration and collaboration helps us all to achieve more than we can achieve on our own.
             
            Let us use this group to exchange ideas and recognise shared interests - and that sharing will help us to choose the topics for our Webinars.
             
            Everyone - if you want to join the Webinars but you have questions or difficulties please ask.  I cannot promise that anyone will have the solution - but someone might.  It is only by asking that we find out, and here at LearningFromEachOther is the ideal place to share our questions.

            Pam


            On 25/05/07, ibrahim halkano <ihalkano@...> wrote:

            Hi,
            Samwel kindly find time to visit me when you come to Daressalaam. i would like to participating in the webinar you would be doing from here. i would also want to look into areas of interest in Information technology. I would then share experiences i had working with parastals in 5 countries in africa implementing an enterprise resource planing applications.
             
            best of regards


            Pamela McLean <pam@...> wrote:
            Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but if we can not do it, Andrius will take the lead".

            Hi Samwel and everyone

            I am very pleased that you - Samwel -  are planning to do the Webinar from Tanzania.

            I imagine, from some earlier information exchanges that you will focus on health issues, especially malaria. Is that correct?  It will help if you can quickly list your concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if you have any problems linking up at the start of the Webinar we will  be able to include your concerns in the discussions. If you have any urls to share as well, or photos please send them too - but not essential.

            I imagine that you will be far too busy to think about the Webinar during the e-learning conference - and waiting until afterwards would be leaving it too late. Please send your reply as soon as you can.

            We will need to start inviting other people to your Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to plan if they are going to be able to attend, and I think a good number of people could be interested. (Even if we would be happy with quite a small discussion, we still need to build the numbers.)

            Numbers are important because Asif is only able to offer a series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the sponsor) sees that the number of participants is steadily increasing.

            I hope we will have a Webinar series addressing various concerns related to education and health, It is great to have this opportunity. I am  excited that we are have started to build a small, but growing, team of people who are signing in to Webinars, finding out what happens, and becoming willing to take an increasingly active role. I hope this will keep growing.

            Please everyone spread the word. Through the Webinars, people who have shared interests but very different perspectives, can come together to discuss issues (using text and voice) while sharing information such as photos, diagrams, websites and other images on the inter-active whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first - at least I found it so - but then, I do not like learning new techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists strange and intimidating at first. Now I am happy with yahoo lists and also happy with Webinars. Please let people know that if they come to a Webinar for the first time other people will be ready to help them feel welcome. New people can simply watch and listen until they feel ready to do more. We are there to Learn From Each Other - each at our own pace - to share what we know - and to gradually develop new knowledge and understanding.

            I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June 7th.

            Pam




            Kindest Regards,

            Ibrahim Halkano A
            Oracle Functional Consultant
            Vesl Technologies Limited
            JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
            Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
            Tel: +255-22-2135336
            Fax:+255-22-2135428
            Cell:+255-784-493775
            Website: www.vesltech.com


            Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.


          • samuel kongere
            Ibrahim, We will visit you and you can be instrumental to help us find computers for A webinar there. keep in touch Sam ibrahim halkano
            Message 5 of 22 , May 26, 2007
              Ibrahim,

              We will visit you and you can be instrumental to help us find  computers for A webinar there.
              keep in touch
              Sam

              ibrahim halkano <ihalkano@...> wrote:
              Hi,
              Samwel kindly find time to visit me when you come to Daressalaam. i would like to participating in the webinar you would be doing from here. i would also want to look into areas of interest in Information technology. I would then share experiences i had working with parastals in 5 countries in africa implementing an enterprise resource planing applications.
               
              best of regards


              Pamela McLean <pam@...> wrote:
              Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but if we can not do it, Andrius will take the lead".

              Hi Samwel and everyone

              I am very pleased that you - Samwel -  are planning to do the Webinar from Tanzania.

              I imagine, from some earlier information exchanges that you will focus on health issues, especially malaria. Is that correct?  It will help if you can quickly list your concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if you have any problems linking up at the start of the Webinar we will  be able to include your concerns in the discussions. If you have any urls to share as well, or photos please send them too - but not essential.

              I imagine that you will be far too busy to think about the Webinar during the e-learning conference - and waiting until afterwards would be leaving it too late. Please send your reply as soon as you can.

              We will need to start inviting other people to your Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to plan if they are going to be able to attend, and I think a good number of people could be interested. (Even if we would be happy with quite a small discussion, we still need to build the numbers.)

              Numbers are important because Asif is only able to offer a series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the sponsor) sees that the number of participants is steadily increasing.

              I hope we will have a Webinar series addressing various concerns related to education and health, It is great to have this opportunity. I am  excited that we are have started to build a small, but growing, team of people who are signing in to Webinars, finding out what happens, and becoming willing to take an increasingly active role. I hope this will keep growing.

              Please everyone spread the word. Through the Webinars, people who have shared interests but very different perspectives, can come together to discuss issues (using text and voice) while sharing information such as photos, diagrams, websites and other images on the inter-active whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first - at least I found it so - but then, I do not like learning new techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists strange and intimidating at first. Now I am happy with yahoo lists and also happy with Webinars. Please let people know that if they come to a Webinar for the first time other people will be ready to help them feel welcome. New people can simply watch and listen until they feel ready to do more. We are there to Learn From Each Other - each at our own pace - to share what we know - and to gradually develop new knowledge and understanding.

              I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June 7th.

              Pam




              Kindest Regards,

              Ibrahim Halkano A
              Oracle Functional Consultant
              Vesl Technologies Limited
              JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
              Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
              Tel: +255-22-2135336
              Fax:+255-22- 2135428
              Cell:+255-784- 493775
              Website: www.vesltech. com

              Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.



              Samwel Okech kongere
              Nyamuga primary school
              P.O BOX 191,
              MBITA  040305-KENYA.
              Cell: +254 725 600 439
              Information Networking and Computer Basics Trainings
              UDOGO youth development/Miniciu-Sodas Laboratories


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            • Pamela McLean
              Sam - I will need to give this Webinar a title soon. I understand that the focus will be malaria. Do you want the Webinar focus to be more specific? Are there
              Message 6 of 22 , May 26, 2007
                Sam -
                I will need to give this Webinar a title soon. I understand that the focus will be malaria.
                Do you want the Webinar focus to be more specific?
                Are there any specific areas you want to cover?
                Any particular stories you want to tell?
                Any particular questions you want people to discuss?
                Any particular people you want to join us at your Webinar, who may not hear about it through Learning From Each Other?
                Any other lists you want me to send to ?

                Andrius -
                Please confirm you are willing to be the "chairman" for this Webinar - (or faciliator / social-moderator / whatever-we-are-going-to-call-the-person-who-gives-shape-to-our-discussion )

                Everyone -

                If you are wondering about this Webinar, or the series, or have any general questions or concerns about what Webinars are and how to get involved do please ask me.

                If you think of anyone else who might be interested in the Webinars, please pass on information to them (If they join the Learning From Each Other group they will be most sure of getting all the news).

                Please encourage people to join in teh Webinar series. Remember that Asif wants to make these opportunities available to us, but he has to demonstrate to Elluminate that our Webinars are good use of the technology - and Elluminate judges value by how many people sign up to attend.

                We have exciting visions for how this is going to build - do join us.

                Pam



                On 26/05/07, samuel kongere < samkongere2004@...> wrote:

                Ibrahim,

                We will visit you and you can be instrumental to help us find  computers for A webinar there.
                keep in touch
                Sam

                ibrahim halkano < ihalkano@...> wrote:

                Hi,
                Samwel kindly find time to visit me when you come to Daressalaam. i would like to participating in the webinar you would be doing from here. i would also want to look into areas of interest in Information technology. I would then share experiences i had working with parastals in 5 countries in africa implementing an enterprise resource planing applications.
                 
                best of regards


                Pamela McLean < pam@...> wrote:
                Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but if we can not do it, Andrius will take the lead".

                Hi Samwel and everyone

                I am very pleased that you - Samwel -  are planning to do the Webinar from Tanzania.

                I imagine, from some earlier information exchanges that you will focus on health issues, especially malaria. Is that correct?  It will help if you can quickly list your concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if you have any problems linking up at the start of the Webinar we will  be able to include your concerns in the discussions. If you have any urls to share as well, or photos please send them too - but not essential.

                I imagine that you will be far too busy to think about the Webinar during the e-learning conference - and waiting until afterwards would be leaving it too late. Please send your reply as soon as you can.

                We will need to start inviting other people to your Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to plan if they are going to be able to attend, and I think a good number of people could be interested. (Even if we would be happy with quite a small discussion, we still need to build the numbers.)

                Numbers are important because Asif is only able to offer a series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the sponsor) sees that the number of participants is steadily increasing.

                I hope we will have a Webinar series addressing various concerns related to education and health, It is great to have this opportunity. I am  excited that we are have started to build a small, but growing, team of people who are signing in to Webinars, finding out what happens, and becoming willing to take an increasingly active role. I hope this will keep growing.

                Please everyone spread the word. Through the Webinars, people who have shared interests but very different perspectives, can come together to discuss issues (using text and voice) while sharing information such as photos, diagrams, websites and other images on the inter-active whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first - at least I found it so - but then, I do not like learning new techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists strange and intimidating at first. Now I am happy with yahoo lists and also happy with Webinars. Please let people know that if they come to a Webinar for the first time other people will be ready to help them feel welcome. New people can simply watch and listen until they feel ready to do more. We are there to Learn From Each Other - each at our own pace - to share what we know - and to gradually develop new knowledge and understanding.

                I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June 7th.

                Pam




                Kindest Regards,

                Ibrahim Halkano A
                Oracle Functional Consultant
                Vesl Technologies Limited
                JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
                Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
                Tel: +255-22-2135336
                Fax:+255-22-2135428
                Cell:+255-784-493775
                Website: www.vesltech.com

                Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.



                Samwel Okech kongere
                Nyamuga primary school
                P.O BOX 191,
                MBITA  040305-KENYA.
                Cell: +254 725 600 439
                Information Networking and Computer Basics Trainings
                UDOGO youth development/Miniciu-Sodas Laboratories


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              • Andrius Kulikauskas
                Pamela, Asif and all, Yes, I will participate June 7th at Samwel Kongere s webinar and will assist as needed, but especially if he can t lead it for some
                Message 7 of 22 , May 28, 2007
                  Pamela, Asif and all,

                  Yes, I will participate June 7th at Samwel Kongere's webinar and will
                  assist as needed, but especially if he can't lead it for some reason.

                  I imagine that Samwel is very busy these days so I will suggest a
                  topic. Malaria is comparatively low on his interests. In order he
                  listed them as: Literacy, ICT, Africa regional network, Malaria
                  prevention, community websites, see
                  http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors

                  I therefore suggest the following topic:

                  "Lessons on the ground from African independent thinkers".

                  Samwel Kongere shares conclusions from his work both online and on the
                  ground in Africa:
                  * What does he find valuable or not from the online world of Minciu Sodas?
                  * How are our values relevant or not on the ground in Kenya and Africa?
                  * What approaches and values does he add to ours?
                  * What can we learn from him? and apply elsewhere in Kenya, Africa and
                  around the world?
                  * What are his own priorities?
                  * What priorities does he suggest for an East African regional network?
                  and for the world?
                  * What next steps might we all take?
                  And in particular:
                  * News from the eLearning Africa conference in Nairobi, Kenya
                  * What we might do together for literacy and learning?
                  * What would be an optimal combination of communication channels for us
                  to seek for, that might include Internet access (high bandwidth and low
                  bandwidth), publishing (video, audio, disks, books, sheets), as well as
                  community radio, storytelling, theater, games and more?
                  * Who are people and groups that we should try to work with?

                  And we will all jump in with our own perspectives, too! and all
                  subjects, include health, will have their turn.

                  Asif, I suggest using the above for the invitations. Samwel can then
                  take the lead and modify as he is able.

                  Hi Ibrahim, Thank you for writing! and I am glad that you will all meet!
                  Also, I hope that in Kenya and Tanzania you might all discuss a strategy
                  for ensuring that everybody has a computer and Internet access. Should
                  we try to assemble computers? Resell flash drives? Experiment with
                  wireless Internet access? Organize Internet centers? Should we work on
                  our own or can we work together with existing centers and initiatives?

                  Yes, Janet is right, please find a person who might sign people up for
                  Holistic Helping! and Samwel should sign up people for Mendenyo! Each
                  person might sign up people for one of our groups. That is very very
                  important!

                  Andrius

                  Andrius Kulikauskas
                  Minciu Sodas
                  ms@...
                  http://www.ms.lt


                  Pamela McLean wrote:
                  > Ibrahim and Asif and everyone,
                  >
                  > Ibrahim - I am delighted that you are interested in Samwel's Webinar.
                  > I hope you and Samwel will be able to meet so that he can tell you all
                  > about it - but even if that is not possible you will still be able to
                  > participate. All you need really is to be able to go online, and
                  > listen as well as watch. If you have a microphone so much the better,
                  > because then you can speak to all the other participants. But a
                  > microphone is not essential. It is always possible to "say" what you
                  > want to say by typing into the text box. In fact Fred joined in last
                  > time even though he could not hear what was going on. He was able to
                  > join in the typed chat, and he could see the PowerPoint slides that
                  > were displayed, Sasha and others typed comments to Fred about what was
                  > being said.
                  >
                  > We hope that gradually more of the members of our group who are in
                  > Africa will be able to overcome their difficulties with Internet
                  > access and join in Webinars as well as contributing to this group by
                  > email. If you have difficulty joining a Webinar please let us know
                  > the problem, because sometimes if we share problems then we can find
                  > solutions.
                  >
                  > Asif - Please will you post details for Ibrahim of exactly what the
                  > technical requirements are, and how people join.
                  >
                  > Ibrahim - I note that you are particularly interested in participating
                  > in a Webinar about ICT. We definitely hope to have Webinars around
                  > that topic. The plan is to have a series of LearningFromEachOther
                  > Webinars where we can join together to share our endeavours, knowledge
                  > and questions about health and education.
                  >
                  > There will be an emphasis on ICT-enabled endeavours because ICT is
                  > important for communication, and communication is important for
                  > collaboration and collaboration helps us all to achieve more than we
                  > can achieve on our own.
                  >
                  > Let us use this group to exchange ideas and recognise shared interests
                  > - and that sharing will help us to choose the topics for our Webinars.
                  >
                  > Everyone - if you want to join the Webinars but you have questions or
                  > difficulties please ask. I cannot promise that anyone will have the
                  > solution - but someone might. It is only by asking that we find out,
                  > and here at LearningFromEachOther is the ideal place to share our
                  > questions.
                  >
                  > Pam
                  >
                  >
                  > On 25/05/07, *ibrahim halkano* <ihalkano@...
                  > <mailto:ihalkano@...>> wrote:
                  >
                  > Hi,
                  > Samwel kindly find time to visit me when you come to Daressalaam.
                  > i would like to participating in the webinar you would be doing
                  > from here. i would also want to look into areas of interest in
                  > Information technology. I would then share experiences i had
                  > working with parastals in 5 countries in africa implementing an
                  > enterprise resource planing applications.
                  >
                  > best of regards
                  >
                  >
                  > */Pamela McLean <pam@... <mailto:pam@...>> /* wrote:
                  >
                  > Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for
                  > Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing
                  > a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but if we can not
                  > do it, Andrius will take the lead".
                  >
                  > Hi Samwel and everyone
                  >
                  > I am very pleased that you - Samwel - are planning to do
                  > the Webinar from Tanzania.
                  >
                  > I imagine, from some earlier information exchanges that
                  > you will focus on health issues, especially malaria. Is
                  > that correct? It will help if you can quickly list your
                  > concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if you have any
                  > problems linking up at the start of the Webinar we will
                  > be able to include your concerns in the discussions. If
                  > you have any urls to share as well, or photos please send
                  > them too - but not essential.
                  >
                  > I imagine that you will be far too busy to think about the
                  > Webinar during the e-learning conference - and waiting
                  > until afterwards would be leaving it too late. Please send
                  > your reply as soon as you can.
                  >
                  > We will need to start inviting other people to your
                  > Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to plan if
                  > they are going to be able to attend, and I think a good
                  > number of people could be interested. (Even if we would be
                  > happy with quite a small discussion, we still need to
                  > build the numbers.)
                  >
                  > Numbers are important because Asif is only able to offer a
                  > series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the sponsor) sees
                  > that the number of participants is steadily increasing.
                  >
                  > I hope we will have a Webinar series addressing various
                  > concerns related to education and health, It is great to
                  > have this opportunity. I am excited that we are have
                  > started to build a small, but growing, team of people who
                  > are signing in to Webinars, finding out what happens, and
                  > becoming willing to take an increasingly active role. I
                  > hope this will keep growing.
                  >
                  > Please everyone spread the word. Through the Webinars,
                  > people who have shared interests but very different
                  > perspectives, can come together to discuss issues (using
                  > text and voice) while sharing information such as photos,
                  > diagrams, websites and other images on the inter-active
                  > whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first - at least
                  > I found it so - but then, I do not like learning new
                  > techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists strange
                  > and intimidating at first. Now I am happy with yahoo lists
                  > and also happy with Webinars. Please let people know that
                  > if they come to a Webinar for the first time other people
                  > will be ready to help them feel welcome. New people can
                  > simply watch and listen until they feel ready to do more.
                  > We are there to Learn From Each Other - each at our own
                  > pace - to share what we know - and to gradually develop
                  > new knowledge and understanding.
                  >
                  > I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June 7th.
                  >
                  > Pam
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Kindest Regards,
                  >
                  > Ibrahim Halkano A
                  > Oracle Functional Consultant
                  > Vesl Technologies Limited
                  > JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
                  > Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
                  > Tel: +255-22-2135336
                  > Fax:+255-22-2135428
                  > Cell:+255-784-493775
                  > Website: www.vesltech.com <http://www.vesltech.com/>
                  >
                • ibrahim halkano
                  Andrius,Pamela and all, Thanks for your mails, i do have internet connection full time and have a mic for the chat too, thus i will be able to participate in
                  Message 8 of 22 , May 28, 2007
                    Andrius,Pamela and all,
                    Thanks for your mails, i do have internet connection full time and have a mic for the chat too, thus i will be able to participate in the Webinar. apparently am online atleast 11hrs every day thus we can chat on yahoo,msn,aol etc anytime.
                    Andrius:
                    there endless possibilities and proble business opportunities here, there are governement driven projects that targets provision of computers to all schools in rural areas, for this initiative there would be need for energy as the rural areas dont have electricity supply. there is eassy project http://eassy.org/ that is aiming at building of fibre optic network that will eventually make internet free/cheap and available for everyone.its a project involving like 30 countries in africa including south africa.
                    assembling computers...........yes definately a good way to look, resale flash discs too cheap but goood venture for charity.....................
                     
                    there endless possiblilities here and anything can be turned into business.........
                     
                    regards
                    ibrahim

                    Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:
                    Pamela, Asif and all,

                    Yes, I will participate June 7th at Samwel Kongere's webinar and will
                    assist as needed, but especially if he can't lead it for some reason.

                    I imagine that Samwel is very busy these days so I will suggest a
                    topic. Malaria is comparatively low on his interests. In order he
                    listed them as: Literacy, ICT, Africa regional network, Malaria
                    prevention, community websites, see
                    http://www.worknets .org/wiki. cgi?Endeavors

                    I therefore suggest the following topic:

                    "Lessons on the ground from African independent thinkers".

                    Samwel Kongere shares conclusions from his work both online and on the
                    ground in Africa:
                    * What does he find valuable or not from the online world of Minciu Sodas?
                    * How are our values relevant or not on the ground in Kenya and Africa?
                    * What approaches and values does he add to ours?
                    * What can we learn from him? and apply elsewhere in Kenya, Africa and
                    around the world?
                    * What are his own priorities?
                    * What priorities does he suggest for an East African regional network?
                    and for the world?
                    * What next steps might we all take?
                    And in particular:
                    * News from the eLearning Africa conference in Nairobi, Kenya
                    * What we might do together for literacy and learning?
                    * What would be an optimal combination of communication channels for us
                    to seek for, that might include Internet access (high bandwidth and low
                    bandwidth), publishing (video, audio, disks, books, sheets), as well as
                    community radio, storytelling, theater, games and more?
                    * Who are people and groups that we should try to work with?

                    And we will all jump in with our own perspectives, too! and all
                    subjects, include health, will have their turn.

                    Asif, I suggest using the above for the invitations. Samwel can then
                    take the lead and modify as he is able.

                    Hi Ibrahim, Thank you for writing! and I am glad that you will all meet!
                    Also, I hope that in Kenya and Tanzania you might all discuss a strategy
                    for ensuring that everybody has a computer and Internet access. Should
                    we try to assemble computers? Resell flash drives? Experiment with
                    wireless Internet access? Organize Internet centers? Should we work on
                    our own or can we work together with existing centers and initiatives?

                    Yes, Janet is right, please find a person who might sign people up for
                    Holistic Helping! and Samwel should sign up people for Mendenyo! Each
                    person might sign up people for one of our groups. That is very very
                    important!

                    Andrius

                    Andrius Kulikauskas
                    Minciu Sodas
                    ms@...
                    http://www.ms. lt

                    Pamela McLean wrote:
                    > Ibrahim and Asif and everyone,
                    >
                    > Ibrahim - I am delighted that you are interested in Samwel's Webinar.
                    > I hope you and Samwel will be able to meet so that he can tell you all
                    > about it - but even if that is not possible you will still be able to
                    > participate. All you need really is to be able to go online, and
                    > listen as well as watch. If you have a microphone so much the better,
                    > because then you can speak to all the other participants. But a
                    > microphone is not essential. It is always possible to "say" what you
                    > want to say by typing into the text box. In fact Fred joined in last
                    > time even though he could not hear what was going on. He was able to
                    > join in the typed chat, and he could see the PowerPoint slides that
                    > were displayed, Sasha and others typed comments to Fred about what was
                    > being said.
                    >
                    > We hope that gradually more of the members of our group who are in
                    > Africa will be able to overcome their difficulties with Internet
                    > access and join in Webinars as well as contributing to this group by
                    > email. If you have difficulty joining a Webinar please let us know
                    > the problem, because sometimes if we share problems then we can find
                    > solutions.
                    >
                    > Asif - Please will you post details for Ibrahim of exactly what the
                    > technical requirements are, and how people join.
                    >
                    > Ibrahim - I note that you are particularly interested in participating
                    > in a Webinar about ICT. We definitely hope to have Webinars around
                    > that topic. The plan is to have a series of LearningFromEachOth er
                    > Webinars where we can join together to share our endeavours, knowledge
                    > and questions about health and education.
                    >
                    > There will be an emphasis on ICT-enabled endeavours because ICT is
                    > important for communication, and communication is important for
                    > collaboration and collaboration helps us all to achieve more than we
                    > can achieve on our own.
                    >
                    > Let us use this group to exchange ideas and recognise shared interests
                    > - and that sharing will help us to choose the topics for our Webinars.
                    >
                    > Everyone - if you want to join the Webinars but you have questions or
                    > difficulties please ask. I cannot promise that anyone will have the
                    > solution - but someone might. It is only by asking that we find out,
                    > and here at LearningFromEachOth er is the ideal place to share our
                    > questions.
                    >
                    > Pam
                    >
                    >
                    > On 25/05/07, *ibrahim halkano* <ihalkano@yahoo. com
                    > <mailto:ihalkano@yahoo. com>> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hi,
                    > Samwel kindly find time to visit me when you come to Daressalaam.
                    > i would like to participating in the webinar you would be doing
                    > from here. i would also want to look into areas of interest in
                    > Information technology. I would then share experiences i had
                    > working with parastals in 5 countries in africa implementing an
                    > enterprise resource planing applications.
                    >
                    > best of regards
                    >
                    >
                    > */Pamela McLean <pam@... <mailto:pam@...>> /* wrote:
                    >
                    > Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for
                    > Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing
                    > a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but if we can not
                    > do it, Andrius will take the lead".
                    >
                    > Hi Samwel and everyone
                    >
                    > I am very pleased that you - Samwel - are planning to do
                    > the Webinar from Tanzania.
                    >
                    > I imagine, from some earlier information exchanges that
                    > you will focus on health issues, especially malaria. Is
                    > that correct? It will help if you can quickly list your
                    > concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if you have any
                    > problems linking up at the start of the Webinar we will
                    > be able to include your concerns in the discussions. If
                    > you have any urls to share as well, or photos please send
                    > them too - but not essential.
                    >
                    > I imagine that you will be far too busy to think about the
                    > Webinar during the e-learning conference - and waiting
                    > until afterwards would be leaving it too late. Please send
                    > your reply as soon as you can.
                    >
                    > We will need to start inviting other people to your
                    > Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to plan if
                    > they are going to be able to attend, and I think a good
                    > number of people could be interested. (Even if we would be
                    > happy with quite a small discussion, we still need to
                    > build the numbers.)
                    >
                    > Numbers are important because Asif is only able to offer a
                    > series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the sponsor) sees
                    > that the number of participants is steadily increasing.
                    >
                    > I hope we will have a Webinar series addressing various
                    > concerns related to education and health, It is great to
                    > have this opportunity. I am excited that we are have
                    > started to build a small, but growing, team of people who
                    > are signing in to Webinars, finding out what happens, and
                    > becoming willing to take an increasingly active role. I
                    > hope this will keep growing.
                    >
                    > Please everyone spread the word. Through the Webinars,
                    > people who have shared interests but very different
                    > perspectives, can come together to discuss issues (using
                    > text and voice) while sharing information such as photos,
                    > diagrams, websites and other images on the inter-active
                    > whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first - at least
                    > I found it so - but then, I do not like learning new
                    > techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists strange
                    > and intimidating at first. Now I am happy with yahoo lists
                    > and also happy with Webinars. Please let people know that
                    > if they come to a Webinar for the first time other people
                    > will be ready to help them feel welcome. New people can
                    > simply watch and listen until they feel ready to do more.
                    > We are there to Learn From Each Other - each at our own
                    > pace - to share what we know - and to gradually develop
                    > new knowledge and understanding.
                    >
                    > I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June 7th.
                    >
                    > Pam
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Kindest Regards,
                    >
                    > Ibrahim Halkano A
                    > Oracle Functional Consultant
                    > Vesl Technologies Limited
                    > JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
                    > Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
                    > Tel: +255-22-2135336
                    > Fax:+255-22- 2135428
                    > Cell:+255-784- 493775
                    > Website: www.vesltech. com <http://www.vesltech .com/>
                    >




                    Kindest Regards,

                    Ibrahim Halkano A
                    Oracle Functional Consultant
                    Vesl Technologies Limited
                    JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
                    Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
                    Tel: +255-22-2135336
                    Fax:+255-22-2135428
                    Cell:+255-784-493775
                    Website: www.vesltech.com


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                  • ibrahim halkano
                    Andrius,Pamela and all, Thanks for your mails, i do have internet connection full time and have a mic for the chat too, thus i will be able to participate in
                    Message 9 of 22 , May 28, 2007
                      Andrius,Pamela and all,
                      Thanks for your mails, i do have internet connection full time and have a mic for the chat too, thus i will be able to participate in the Webinar. apparently am online atleast 11hrs every day thus we can chat on yahoo,msn,aol etc anytime.
                      Andrius:
                      there endless possibilities and proble business opportunities here, there are governement driven projects that targets provision of computers to all schools in rural areas, for this initiative there would be need for energy as the rural areas dont have electricity supply. there is eassy project http://eassy.org/ that is aiming at building of fibre optic network that will eventually make internet free/cheap and available for everyone.its a project involving like 30 countries in africa including south africa.
                      assembling computers...........yes definately a good way to look, resale flash discs too cheap but goood venture for charity.....................
                       
                      there endless possiblilities here and anything can be turned into business.........
                       
                      regards
                      ibrahim

                      Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:
                      Pamela, Asif and all,

                      Yes, I will participate June 7th at Samwel Kongere's webinar and will
                      assist as needed, but especially if he can't lead it for some reason.

                      I imagine that Samwel is very busy these days so I will suggest a
                      topic. Malaria is comparatively low on his interests. In order he
                      listed them as: Literacy, ICT, Africa regional network, Malaria
                      prevention, community websites, see
                      http://www.worknets .org/wiki. cgi?Endeavors

                      I therefore suggest the following topic:

                      "Lessons on the ground from African independent thinkers".

                      Samwel Kongere shares conclusions from his work both online and on the
                      ground in Africa:
                      * What does he find valuable or not from the online world of Minciu Sodas?
                      * How are our values relevant or not on the ground in Kenya and Africa?
                      * What approaches and values does he add to ours?
                      * What can we learn from him? and apply elsewhere in Kenya, Africa and
                      around the world?
                      * What are his own priorities?
                      * What priorities does he suggest for an East African regional network?
                      and for the world?
                      * What next steps might we all take?
                      And in particular:
                      * News from the eLearning Africa conference in Nairobi, Kenya
                      * What we might do together for literacy and learning?
                      * What would be an optimal combination of communication channels for us
                      to seek for, that might include Internet access (high bandwidth and low
                      bandwidth), publishing (video, audio, disks, books, sheets), as well as
                      community radio, storytelling, theater, games and more?
                      * Who are people and groups that we should try to work with?

                      And we will all jump in with our own perspectives, too! and all
                      subjects, include health, will have their turn.

                      Asif, I suggest using the above for the invitations. Samwel can then
                      take the lead and modify as he is able.

                      Hi Ibrahim, Thank you for writing! and I am glad that you will all meet!
                      Also, I hope that in Kenya and Tanzania you might all discuss a strategy
                      for ensuring that everybody has a computer and Internet access. Should
                      we try to assemble computers? Resell flash drives? Experiment with
                      wireless Internet access? Organize Internet centers? Should we work on
                      our own or can we work together with existing centers and initiatives?

                      Yes, Janet is right, please find a person who might sign people up for
                      Holistic Helping! and Samwel should sign up people for Mendenyo! Each
                      person might sign up people for one of our groups. That is very very
                      important!

                      Andrius

                      Andrius Kulikauskas
                      Minciu Sodas
                      ms@...
                      http://www.ms. lt

                      Pamela McLean wrote:
                      > Ibrahim and Asif and everyone,
                      >
                      > Ibrahim - I am delighted that you are interested in Samwel's Webinar.
                      > I hope you and Samwel will be able to meet so that he can tell you all
                      > about it - but even if that is not possible you will still be able to
                      > participate. All you need really is to be able to go online, and
                      > listen as well as watch. If you have a microphone so much the better,
                      > because then you can speak to all the other participants. But a
                      > microphone is not essential. It is always possible to "say" what you
                      > want to say by typing into the text box. In fact Fred joined in last
                      > time even though he could not hear what was going on. He was able to
                      > join in the typed chat, and he could see the PowerPoint slides that
                      > were displayed, Sasha and others typed comments to Fred about what was
                      > being said.
                      >
                      > We hope that gradually more of the members of our group who are in
                      > Africa will be able to overcome their difficulties with Internet
                      > access and join in Webinars as well as contributing to this group by
                      > email. If you have difficulty joining a Webinar please let us know
                      > the problem, because sometimes if we share problems then we can find
                      > solutions.
                      >
                      > Asif - Please will you post details for Ibrahim of exactly what the
                      > technical requirements are, and how people join.
                      >
                      > Ibrahim - I note that you are particularly interested in participating
                      > in a Webinar about ICT. We definitely hope to have Webinars around
                      > that topic. The plan is to have a series of LearningFromEachOth er
                      > Webinars where we can join together to share our endeavours, knowledge
                      > and questions about health and education.
                      >
                      > There will be an emphasis on ICT-enabled endeavours because ICT is
                      > important for communication, and communication is important for
                      > collaboration and collaboration helps us all to achieve more than we
                      > can achieve on our own.
                      >
                      > Let us use this group to exchange ideas and recognise shared interests
                      > - and that sharing will help us to choose the topics for our Webinars.
                      >
                      > Everyone - if you want to join the Webinars but you have questions or
                      > difficulties please ask. I cannot promise that anyone will have the
                      > solution - but someone might. It is only by asking that we find out,
                      > and here at LearningFromEachOth er is the ideal place to share our
                      > questions.
                      >
                      > Pam
                      >
                      >
                      > On 25/05/07, *ibrahim halkano* <ihalkano@yahoo. com
                      > <mailto:ihalkano@yahoo. com>> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hi,
                      > Samwel kindly find time to visit me when you come to Daressalaam.
                      > i would like to participating in the webinar you would be doing
                      > from here. i would also want to look into areas of interest in
                      > Information technology. I would then share experiences i had
                      > working with parastals in 5 countries in africa implementing an
                      > enterprise resource planing applications.
                      >
                      > best of regards
                      >
                      >
                      > */Pamela McLean <pam@... <mailto:pam@...>> /* wrote:
                      >
                      > Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for
                      > Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing
                      > a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but if we can not
                      > do it, Andrius will take the lead".
                      >
                      > Hi Samwel and everyone
                      >
                      > I am very pleased that you - Samwel - are planning to do
                      > the Webinar from Tanzania.
                      >
                      > I imagine, from some earlier information exchanges that
                      > you will focus on health issues, especially malaria. Is
                      > that correct? It will help if you can quickly list your
                      > concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if you have any
                      > problems linking up at the start of the Webinar we will
                      > be able to include your concerns in the discussions. If
                      > you have any urls to share as well, or photos please send
                      > them too - but not essential.
                      >
                      > I imagine that you will be far too busy to think about the
                      > Webinar during the e-learning conference - and waiting
                      > until afterwards would be leaving it too late. Please send
                      > your reply as soon as you can.
                      >
                      > We will need to start inviting other people to your
                      > Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to plan if
                      > they are going to be able to attend, and I think a good
                      > number of people could be interested. (Even if we would be
                      > happy with quite a small discussion, we still need to
                      > build the numbers.)
                      >
                      > Numbers are important because Asif is only able to offer a
                      > series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the sponsor) sees
                      > that the number of participants is steadily increasing.
                      >
                      > I hope we will have a Webinar series addressing various
                      > concerns related to education and health, It is great to
                      > have this opportunity. I am excited that we are have
                      > started to build a small, but growing, team of people who
                      > are signing in to Webinars, finding out what happens, and
                      > becoming willing to take an increasingly active role. I
                      > hope this will keep growing.
                      >
                      > Please everyone spread the word. Through the Webinars,
                      > people who have shared interests but very different
                      > perspectives, can come together to discuss issues (using
                      > text and voice) while sharing information such as photos,
                      > diagrams, websites and other images on the inter-active
                      > whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first - at least
                      > I found it so - but then, I do not like learning new
                      > techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists strange
                      > and intimidating at first. Now I am happy with yahoo lists
                      > and also happy with Webinars. Please let people know that
                      > if they come to a Webinar for the first time other people
                      > will be ready to help them feel welcome. New people can
                      > simply watch and listen until they feel ready to do more.
                      > We are there to Learn From Each Other - each at our own
                      > pace - to share what we know - and to gradually develop
                      > new knowledge and understanding.
                      >
                      > I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June 7th.
                      >
                      > Pam
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Kindest Regards,
                      >
                      > Ibrahim Halkano A
                      > Oracle Functional Consultant
                      > Vesl Technologies Limited
                      > JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
                      > Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
                      > Tel: +255-22-2135336
                      > Fax:+255-22- 2135428
                      > Cell:+255-784- 493775
                      > Website: www.vesltech. com <http://www.vesltech .com/>
                      >




                      Kindest Regards,

                      Ibrahim Halkano A
                      Oracle Functional Consultant
                      Vesl Technologies Limited
                      JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
                      Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
                      Tel: +255-22-2135336
                      Fax:+255-22-2135428
                      Cell:+255-784-493775
                      Website: www.vesltech.com


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                    • fdkayiwa
                      Hi Sam, Ihave just bought the ticket this morning hope to travel to Nairobi tommorrow at 3pm Am also intrested in participating in the 7th webinar please iwill
                      Message 10 of 22 , May 29, 2007
                        Hi Sam,
                        Ihave just bought the ticket this morning hope to travel to Nairobi
                        tommorrow at 3pm

                        Am also intrested in participating in the 7th webinar
                        please iwill be participating.
                      • Pamela McLean
                        Andrius, Asif, Samwel and all. This post is about leadership roles, and this webinar in the wider context of LFEO (Learning From Each Other) and ICT for
                        Message 11 of 22 , May 29, 2007
                          Andrius, Asif, Samwel and all. This post is about leadership roles, and this webinar in the wider context of LFEO (Learning From Each Other) and ICT for Development.

                          Andrius, I am very happy to get your confirmation of attendance and role at Samwel's Webinar.  Please read on as I write something more about your role and Samwel's later. Thanks too for your comments about the content. Let us agree a future date for a focus on malaria. I suggest finding a date when Peter Burgess, and others with a strong interest in the topic, can also participate.

                          All-
                          For me, as leader of the Learning From Each Other (LFEO) group these Webinars are very exciting as they cover all parts of ICT4D, so we have the opportunity to be learning in four areas all at once.

                          ~ Regarding I for Information - we have interesting content - Andrius mentioned some of the possible themes and topics in his email, and there are others we are considering as well. .

                          ~ Regarding C for Communication (which I think of as "people with a purpose" i.e. the human relationship side of why we are communicating with each other) - we already have strong reasons to communicate with each other within the lab, and this is a further opportunity to communicate with each other, and to bring others into our discussions.

                          ~ Regarding T for Technology - Elluminate software is used for the Trainerspod Webinars and (as individuals and as a group) we are gradually developing our skills and confidence in using it.

                          ~ Regarding D for Development - We are developing our own style regarding Webinars. The most usual way of presenting a Webinar is to have one presenter, who gives a lecture and then participants ask questions. It is a top- down approach to sharing knowledge.  I am trying to find a way to develop something with a different style - something which is closer to the supportive sharing culture of the lab in general. Specifically, I am trying to develop a way of using this software to foster an approach of Learning From Each Other. For this reason I want to call the series the Trainerspod Learning From Each Other series. People (especially people who come from a cultural experience of top-down Webinars)  will know from the title that our Webinars emphasise sharing our knowledge and experience with each other (and beyond).

                          I suggest that because we are moving forward on all four aspects of ICT4D we need a very special kind of leadership and collaboration during the Webinar series.

                          ~ Regarding I for Information - the content - that is something that will change from one Webinar to the next. The topics will  be selected according to people's interests - as is happening this time, where we are being lead by Samwels' interests. We will be lead by those interests even if something happens on the day which prevents Samwel from contributing fully.  Of course we hope all will go well, but we know there are many practical difficulties. I do not want anyone to feel that they dare not suggest Webinar topics in case, on the day, they are unable to link up. For this Webinar we hope that Samwel will be able to lead the direction of our discussions, but if something prevents him , or interrupts him, then Andrius has said he will lead on the content - and Andrius knows Samwel's interests well, although from a different perspective.

                          ~ Regarding C for Communication - the people side of things - this is where I hope Andrius will definitely take the lead in shaping our discussions. Andrius I hope you will take this leadership role as often as possible during the series. I was so impressed by the way that you "brought people in" during the Webinar where you led the content.  To me it reflected that caring, inclusive and nurturing approach which you demonstrate all the time within the lab. I believe that it will be much easier for people to offer suggestions for content for the series if they know that someone else will be responsible for the group dynamics of any meeting which subsequently covers that content. Even in a traditonal F2F (face to face) presentation, where everyone is familiar with the format, there is often a chairman mediating between the speaker and the questioners. This series is much more complex and subtle in the kinds of interactions  we hope to enable, and it is new to everyone. This is why I want a communications leader as well as an information leader (except, Andrius, that if you have to step in for Samwel regarding informaion/content  leadership, you would still be the best person for the communication/people-focussed leadership as well).

                          ~ Regarding T for Technology - we don't need to arrange who does that. We are safely in the hands of Asif and Jenny of Trainserspod regarding the technology.  Many of you already know Asif through LFEO and other groups in the Minciu Sodas lab. Please be aware that when we do a Webinar with Trainserspod we are doing it "at Trainerspod." Trainerspod is based in America and is a commercial company, able to offer these Webinars thanks to sponsorship from Elluminate. ( i.e. We do not e-meet  for the Webinars  "at LFEO in Andrius' lab" - it is a differnet culture.) Asif has arranged for Trainerspod to collaborate with us on this series of Webinars at no cost to any of us, and all the information which we share will be recorded and will be freely available for anyone to listen to, however there will be copyright restrictions on anyone wishing to re-use it in for profit, as the copyright will belong to Trainerspod (further details available on request.)  For someone like me, i.e. accustomed to a more informal collaborative approach, based on simple trust and shared objectives, this seemed initially very formal and legalistic. However  I recognise that different cultures have different ways and I do my best to fit in with the culture of my host - even if I have e-arrived, via the Internet, instead of travelling physically to a different country and its culture.
                           
                          ~ Regarding D for Development - I am responsible for leading the overall development of the series. I will also stand in for Andrius when necessary regarding the communication leadership role.

                          I look forward to meeting on June 7th at the Webinar.

                          Pam



                          On 28/05/07, Andrius Kulikauskas < ms@...> wrote:

                          Pamela, Asif and all,

                          Yes, I will participate June 7th at Samwel Kongere's webinar and will
                          assist as needed, but especially if he can't lead it for some reason.

                          I imagine that Samwel is very busy these days so I will suggest a
                          topic. Malaria is comparatively low on his interests. In order he
                          listed them as: Literacy, ICT, Africa regional network, Malaria
                          prevention, community websites, see
                          http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors

                          I therefore suggest the following topic:

                          "Lessons on the ground from African independent thinkers".

                          Samwel Kongere shares conclusions from his work both online and on the
                          ground in Africa:
                          * What does he find valuable or not from the online world of Minciu Sodas?
                          * How are our values relevant or not on the ground in Kenya and Africa?
                          * What approaches and values does he add to ours?
                          * What can we learn from him? and apply elsewhere in Kenya, Africa and
                          around the world?
                          * What are his own priorities?
                          * What priorities does he suggest for an East African regional network?
                          and for the world?
                          * What next steps might we all take?
                          And in particular:
                          * News from the eLearning Africa conference in Nairobi, Kenya
                          * What we might do together for literacy and learning?
                          * What would be an optimal combination of communication channels for us
                          to seek for, that might include Internet access (high bandwidth and low
                          bandwidth), publishing (video, audio, disks, books, sheets), as well as
                          community radio, storytelling, theater, games and more?
                          * Who are people and groups that we should try to work with?

                          And we will all jump in with our own perspectives, too! and all
                          subjects, include health, will have their turn.

                          Asif, I suggest using the above for the invitations. Samwel can then
                          take the lead and modify as he is able.

                          Hi Ibrahim, Thank you for writing! and I am glad that you will all meet!
                          Also, I hope that in Kenya and Tanzania you might all discuss a strategy
                          for ensuring that everybody has a computer and Internet access. Should
                          we try to assemble computers? Resell flash drives? Experiment with
                          wireless Internet access? Organize Internet centers? Should we work on
                          our own or can we work together with existing centers and initiatives?

                          Yes, Janet is right, please find a person who might sign people up for
                          Holistic Helping! and Samwel should sign up people for Mendenyo! Each
                          person might sign up people for one of our groups. That is very very
                          important!

                          Andrius

                          Andrius Kulikauskas
                          Minciu Sodas
                          ms@...
                          http://www.ms.lt



                          Pamela McLean wrote:
                          > Ibrahim and Asif and everyone,
                          >
                          > Ibrahim - I am delighted that you are interested in Samwel's Webinar.
                          > I hope you and Samwel will be able to meet so that he can tell you all
                          > about it - but even if that is not possible you will still be able to
                          > participate. All you need really is to be able to go online, and
                          > listen as well as watch. If you have a microphone so much the better,
                          > because then you can speak to all the other participants. But a
                          > microphone is not essential. It is always possible to "say" what you
                          > want to say by typing into the text box. In fact Fred joined in last
                          > time even though he could not hear what was going on. He was able to
                          > join in the typed chat, and he could see the PowerPoint slides that
                          > were displayed, Sasha and others typed comments to Fred about what was
                          > being said.
                          >
                          > We hope that gradually more of the members of our group who are in
                          > Africa will be able to overcome their difficulties with Internet
                          > access and join in Webinars as well as contributing to this group by
                          > email. If you have difficulty joining a Webinar please let us know
                          > the problem, because sometimes if we share problems then we can find
                          > solutions.
                          >
                          > Asif - Please will you post details for Ibrahim of exactly what the
                          > technical requirements are, and how people join.
                          >
                          > Ibrahim - I note that you are particularly interested in participating
                          > in a Webinar about ICT. We definitely hope to have Webinars around
                          > that topic. The plan is to have a series of LearningFromEachOther
                          > Webinars where we can join together to share our endeavours, knowledge
                          > and questions about health and education.
                          >
                          > There will be an emphasis on ICT-enabled endeavours because ICT is
                          > important for communication, and communication is important for
                          > collaboration and collaboration helps us all to achieve more than we
                          > can achieve on our own.
                          >
                          > Let us use this group to exchange ideas and recognise shared interests
                          > - and that sharing will help us to choose the topics for our Webinars.
                          >
                          > Everyone - if you want to join the Webinars but you have questions or
                          > difficulties please ask. I cannot promise that anyone will have the
                          > solution - but someone might. It is only by asking that we find out,
                          > and here at LearningFromEachOther is the ideal place to share our
                          > questions.
                          >
                          > Pam
                          >
                          >
                          > On 25/05/07, *ibrahim halkano* <ihalkano@...
                          > <mailto:ihalkano@...>> wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi,
                          > Samwel kindly find time to visit me when you come to Daressalaam.
                          > i would like to participating in the webinar you would be doing
                          > from here. i would also want to look into areas of interest in
                          > Information technology. I would then share experiences i had
                          > working with parastals in 5 countries in africa implementing an
                          > enterprise resource planing applications.
                          >
                          > best of regards
                          >
                          >
                          > */Pamela McLean <pam@... <mailto:pam@...>> /* wrote:
                          >
                          > Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for
                          > Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing
                          > a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but if we can not
                          > do it, Andrius will take the lead".
                          >
                          > Hi Samwel and everyone
                          >
                          > I am very pleased that you - Samwel - are planning to do
                          > the Webinar from Tanzania.
                          >
                          > I imagine, from some earlier information exchanges that
                          > you will focus on health issues, especially malaria. Is
                          > that correct? It will help if you can quickly list your
                          > concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if you have any
                          > problems linking up at the start of the Webinar we will
                          > be able to include your concerns in the discussions. If
                          > you have any urls to share as well, or photos please send
                          > them too - but not essential.
                          >
                          > I imagine that you will be far too busy to think about the
                          > Webinar during the e-learning conference - and waiting
                          > until afterwards would be leaving it too late. Please send
                          > your reply as soon as you can.
                          >
                          > We will need to start inviting other people to your
                          > Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to plan if
                          > they are going to be able to attend, and I think a good
                          > number of people could be interested. (Even if we would be
                          > happy with quite a small discussion, we still need to
                          > build the numbers.)
                          >
                          > Numbers are important because Asif is only able to offer a
                          > series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the sponsor) sees
                          > that the number of participants is steadily increasing.
                          >
                          > I hope we will have a Webinar series addressing various
                          > concerns related to education and health, It is great to
                          > have this opportunity. I am excited that we are have
                          > started to build a small, but growing, team of people who
                          > are signing in to Webinars, finding out what happens, and
                          > becoming willing to take an increasingly active role. I
                          > hope this will keep growing.
                          >
                          > Please everyone spread the word. Through the Webinars,
                          > people who have shared interests but very different
                          > perspectives, can come together to discuss issues (using
                          > text and voice) while sharing information such as photos,
                          > diagrams, websites and other images on the inter-active
                          > whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first - at least
                          > I found it so - but then, I do not like learning new
                          > techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists strange
                          > and intimidating at first. Now I am happy with yahoo lists
                          > and also happy with Webinars. Please let people know that
                          > if they come to a Webinar for the first time other people
                          > will be ready to help them feel welcome. New people can
                          > simply watch and listen until they feel ready to do more.
                          > We are there to Learn From Each Other - each at our own
                          > pace - to share what we know - and to gradually develop
                          > new knowledge and understanding.
                          >
                          > I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June 7th.
                          >
                          > Pam
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Kindest Regards,
                          >
                          > Ibrahim Halkano A
                          > Oracle Functional Consultant
                          > Vesl Technologies Limited
                          > JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
                          > Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
                          > Tel: +255-22-2135336
                          > Fax:+255-22-2135428
                          > Cell:+255-784-493775
                          > Website: www.vesltech.com < http://www.vesltech.com/>
                          >


                        • David mutua
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                          Message 12 of 22 , May 29, 2007
                            Dear All,
                            Will read all your mails later please, Just pass my
                            contact mobile Number to all visitors in our
                            group......its +254720462559.

                            David Mutua


                            --- Pamela McLean <pam@...> wrote:

                            > Andrius, Asif, Samwel and all. This post is about
                            > leadership roles, and this
                            > webinar in the wider context of LFEO (Learning From
                            > Each Other) and ICT for
                            > Development.
                            >
                            > Andrius, I am very happy to get your confirmation of
                            > attendance and role at
                            > Samwel's Webinar. Please read on as I write
                            > something more about your role
                            > and Samwel's later. Thanks too for your comments
                            > about the content. Let us
                            > agree a future date for a focus on malaria. I
                            > suggest finding a date when
                            > Peter Burgess, and others with a strong interest in
                            > the topic, can also
                            > participate.
                            >
                            > All-
                            > For me, as leader of the Learning From Each Other
                            > (LFEO) group these
                            > Webinars are very exciting as they cover all parts
                            > of ICT4D, so we have the
                            > opportunity to be learning in four areas all at
                            > once.
                            >
                            > ~ Regarding I for Information - we have interesting
                            > content - Andrius
                            > mentioned some of the possible themes and topics in
                            > his email, and there are
                            > others we are considering as well. .
                            >
                            > ~ Regarding C for Communication (which I think of as
                            > "people with a purpose"
                            > i.e. the human relationship side of why we are
                            > communicating with each
                            > other) - we already have strong reasons to
                            > communicate with each other
                            > within the lab, and this is a further opportunity to
                            > communicate with each
                            > other, and to bring others into our discussions.
                            >
                            > ~ Regarding T for Technology - Elluminate software
                            > is used for the
                            > Trainerspod Webinars and (as individuals and as a
                            > group) we are gradually
                            > developing our skills and confidence in using it.
                            >
                            > ~ Regarding D for Development - We are developing
                            > our own style regarding
                            > Webinars. The most usual way of presenting a Webinar
                            > is to have one
                            > presenter, who gives a lecture and then participants
                            > ask questions. It is a
                            > top- down approach to sharing knowledge. I am
                            > trying to find a way to
                            > develop something with a different style - something
                            > which is closer to the
                            > supportive sharing culture of the lab in general.
                            > Specifically, I am trying
                            > to develop a way of using this software to foster an
                            > approach of Learning
                            > From Each Other. For this reason I want to call the
                            > series the Trainerspod
                            > Learning From Each Other series. People (especially
                            > people who come from a
                            > cultural experience of top-down Webinars) will know
                            > from the title that our
                            > Webinars emphasise sharing our knowledge and
                            > experience with each other (and
                            > beyond).
                            >
                            > I suggest that because we are moving forward on all
                            > four aspects of ICT4D we
                            > need a very special kind of leadership and
                            > collaboration during the Webinar
                            > series.
                            >
                            > ~ Regarding I for Information - the content - that
                            > is something that will
                            > change from one Webinar to the next. The topics will
                            > be selected according
                            > to people's interests - as is happening this time,
                            > where we are being lead
                            > by Samwels' interests. We will be lead by those
                            > interests even if something
                            > happens on the day which prevents Samwel from
                            > contributing fully. Of course
                            > we hope all will go well, but we know there are many
                            > practical difficulties.
                            > I do not want anyone to feel that they dare not
                            > suggest Webinar topics in
                            > case, on the day, they are unable to link up. For
                            > this Webinar we hope that
                            > Samwel will be able to lead the direction of our
                            > discussions, but if
                            > something prevents him , or interrupts him, then
                            > Andrius has said he will
                            > lead on the content - and Andrius knows Samwel's
                            > interests well, although
                            > from a different perspective.
                            >
                            > ~ Regarding C for Communication - the people side of
                            > things - this is where
                            > I hope Andrius will definitely take the lead in
                            > shaping our discussions.
                            > Andrius I hope you will take this leadership role as
                            > often as possible
                            > during the series. I was so impressed by the way
                            > that you "brought people
                            > in" during the Webinar where you led the content.
                            > To me it reflected that
                            > caring, inclusive and nurturing approach which you
                            > demonstrate all the time
                            > within the lab. I believe that it will be much
                            > easier for people to offer
                            > suggestions for content for the series if they know
                            > that someone else will
                            > be responsible for the group dynamics of any meeting
                            > which subsequently
                            > covers that content. Even in a traditonal F2F (face
                            > to face) presentation,
                            > where everyone is familiar with the format, there is
                            > often a chairman
                            > mediating between the speaker and the questioners.
                            > This series is much more
                            > complex and subtle in the kinds of interactions we
                            > hope to enable, and it
                            > is new to everyone. This is why I want a
                            > communications leader as well as an
                            > information leader (except, Andrius, that if you
                            > have to step in for Samwel
                            > regarding informaion/content leadership, you would
                            > still be the best person
                            > for the communication/people-focussed leadership as
                            > well).
                            >
                            > ~ Regarding T for Technology - we don't need to
                            > arrange who does that. We
                            > are safely in the hands of Asif and Jenny of
                            > Trainserspod regarding the
                            > technology. Many of you already know Asif through
                            > LFEO and other groups in
                            > the Minciu Sodas lab. Please be aware that when we
                            > do a Webinar with
                            > Trainserspod we are doing it "at Trainerspod."
                            > Trainerspod is based in
                            > America and is a commercial company, able to offer
                            > these Webinars thanks to
                            > sponsorship from Elluminate. (i.e. We do not e-meet
                            > for the Webinars "at
                            > LFEO in Andrius' lab" - it is a differnet culture.)
                            > Asif has arranged for
                            > Trainerspod to collaborate with us on this series of
                            > Webinars at no cost to
                            > any of us, and all the information which we share
                            > will be recorded and will
                            > be freely available for anyone to listen to, however
                            > there will be copyright
                            > restrictions on anyone wishing to re-use it in for
                            > profit, as the copyright
                            > will belong to Trainerspod (further details
                            > available on request.) For
                            > someone like me, i.e. accustomed to a more informal
                            > collaborative approach,
                            > based on simple trust and shared objectives, this
                            > seemed initially very
                            > formal and legalistic. However I recognise that
                            > different cultures have
                            > different ways and I do my best to fit in with the
                            > culture of my host - even
                            > if I have e-arrived, via the Internet, instead of
                            > travelling physically to a
                            > different country and its culture.
                            >
                            > ~ Regarding D for Development - I am responsible for
                            > leading the overall
                            > development of the series. I will also stand in for
                            > Andrius when necessary
                            > regarding the communication leadership role.
                            >
                            > I look forward to meeting on June 7th at the
                            > Webinar.
                            >
                            > Pam
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > On 28/05/07, Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Pamela, Asif and all,
                            > >
                            > > Yes, I will participate June 7th at Samwel
                            > Kongere's webinar and will
                            > > assist as needed, but especially if he can't lead
                            > it for some reason.
                            > >
                            > > I imagine that Samwel is very busy these days so I
                            > will suggest a
                            > > topic. Malaria is comparatively low on his
                            > interests. In order he
                            > > listed them as: Literacy, ICT, Africa regional
                            > network, Malaria
                            > > prevention, community websites, see
                            > > http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors
                            > >
                            > > I therefore suggest the following topic:
                            > >
                            > > "Lessons on the ground from African independent
                            > thinkers".
                            > >
                            > > Samwel Kongere shares conclusions from his work
                            > both online and on the
                            > > ground in Africa:
                            > > * What does he find valuable or not from the
                            > online world of Minciu Sodas?
                            > > * How are our values relevant or not on the ground
                            > in Kenya and Africa?
                            > > * What approaches and values does he add to ours?
                            > > * What can we learn from him? and apply elsewhere
                            > in Kenya, Africa and
                            > > around the world?
                            > > * What are his own priorities?
                            > > * What priorities does he suggest for an East
                            > African regional network?
                            > > and for the world?
                            > > * What next steps might we all take?
                            > > And in particular:
                            > > * News from the eLearning Africa conference in
                            > Nairobi, Kenya
                            > > * What we might do together for literacy and
                            > learning?
                            > > * What would be an optimal combination of
                            > communication channels for us
                            > > to seek for, that might include Internet access
                            > (high bandwidth and low
                            > > bandwidth), publishing (video, audio, disks,
                            > books, sheets), as well as
                            > > community radio, storytelling, theater, games and
                            > more?
                            > > * Who are people and groups that we should try to
                            > work with?
                            > >
                            > > And we will all jump in with our own perspectives,
                            > too! and all
                            > > subjects, include health, will have their turn.
                            > >
                            > > Asif, I suggest using the above for the
                            > invitations. Samwel can then
                            > > take the lead and modify as he is able.
                            > >
                            > > Hi Ibrahim, Thank you for writing! and I am glad
                            > that you will all meet!
                            > > Also, I hope that in Kenya and Tanzania you might
                            > all discuss a strategy
                            > > for ensuring that everybody has a computer and
                            > Internet access. Should
                            > > we try to assemble computers? Resell flash drives?
                            > Experiment with
                            > > wireless Internet access? Organize Internet
                            > centers? Should we work on
                            > > our own or can we work together with existing
                            > centers and initiatives?
                            > >
                            > > Yes, Janet is right, please find a person who
                            > might sign people up for
                            > > Holistic Helping! and Samwel should sign up people
                            > for Mendenyo! Each
                            > > person might sign up people for one of our groups.
                            > That is very very
                            > > important!
                            > >
                            > > Andrius
                            > >
                            > > Andrius Kulikauskas
                            > > Minciu Sodas
                            > > ms@... <ms%40ms.lt>
                            > > http://www.ms.lt
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Pamela McLean wrote:
                            > > > Ibrahim and Asif and everyone,
                            > > >
                            > > > Ibrahim - I am delighted that you are interested
                            > in Samwel's Webinar.
                            > > > I hope you and Samwel will be able to meet so
                            > that he can tell you all
                            > > > about it - but even if that is not possible you
                            > will still be able to
                            > > > participate. All you need really is to be able
                            > to go online, and
                            > > > listen as well as watch. If you have a
                            > microphone so much the better,
                            > > > because then you can speak to all the other
                            > participants. But a
                            > > > microphone is not essential. It is always
                            > possible to "say" what you
                            > > > want to say by typing into the text box. In fact
                            > Fred joined in last
                            > > > time even though he could not hear what was
                            > going on. He was able to
                            > > > join in the typed chat, and he could see the
                            > PowerPoint slides that
                            > > > were displayed, Sasha and others typed comments
                            > to Fred about what was
                            > > > being said.
                            > > >
                            > > > We hope that gradually more of the members of
                            > our group who are in
                            > > > Africa will be able to overcome their
                            > difficulties with Internet
                            > > > access and join in Webinars as well as
                            > contributing to this group by
                            > > > email. If you have difficulty joining a Webinar
                            > please let us know
                            > > > the problem, because sometimes if we share
                            > problems then we can find
                            > > > solutions.
                            > > >
                            > > > Asif - Please will you post details for Ibrahim
                            > of exactly what the
                            > > > technical requirements are, and how people join.
                            > > >
                            > > > Ibrahim - I note that you are particularly
                            > interested in participating
                            > > > in a Webinar about ICT. We definitely hope to
                            > have Webinars around
                            > > > that topic. The plan is to have a series of
                            > LearningFromEachOther
                            > > > Webinars where we can join together to share our
                            > endeavours, knowledge
                            > > > and questions about health and education.
                            > > >
                            > > > There will be an emphasis on ICT-enabled
                            > endeavours because ICT is
                            > > > important for communication, and communication
                            > is important for
                            > > > collaboration and collaboration helps us all to
                            > achieve more than we
                            > > > can achieve on our own.
                            > > >
                            > > > Let us use this group to exchange ideas and
                            > recognise shared interests
                            > > > - and that sharing will help us to choose the
                            > topics for our Webinars.
                            > > >
                            > > > Everyone - if you want to join the Webinars but
                            > you have questions or
                            > > > difficulties please ask. I cannot promise that
                            > anyone will have the
                            > > > solution - but someone might. It is only by
                            > asking that we find out,
                            > > > and here at LearningFromEachOther is the ideal
                            > place to share our
                            > > > questions.
                            > > >
                            > > > Pam
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > On 25/05/07, *ibrahim halkano*
                            > <ihalkano@...<ihalkano%40yahoo.com>
                            > > > <mailto:ihalkano@...
                            > <ihalkano%40yahoo.com>>> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Hi,
                            > > > Samwel kindly find time to visit me when you
                            > come to Daressalaam.
                            > > > i would like to participating in the webinar you
                            > would be doing
                            > > > from here. i would also want to look into areas
                            > of interest in
                            > > > Information technology. I would then share
                            > experiences i had
                            > > > working with parastals in 5 countries in africa
                            > implementing an
                            > > > enterprise resource planing applications.
                            > > >
                            > > > best of regards
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > */Pamela McLean <pam@... <pam%40cawd.net>
                            > <mailto: pam@...<pam%40cawd.net>>>
                            > > /* wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND
                            > June for
                            > > > Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away
                            > of doing
                            > > > a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but if we
                            > can not
                            > > > do it, Andrius will take the lead".
                            > > >
                            > > > Hi Samwel and everyone
                            > > >
                            > > > I am very pleased that you - Samwel - are
                            > planning to do
                            > > > the Webinar from Tanzania.
                            > > >
                            > > > I imagine, from some earlier information
                            > exchanges that
                            > > > you will focus on health issues, especially
                            > malaria. Is
                            > > > that correct? It will help if you can quickly
                            > list your
                            > > > concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if you
                            > have any
                            > > > problems linking up at the start of the Webinar
                            > we will
                            > > > be able to include your concerns in the
                            > discussions. If
                            > > > you have any urls to share as well, or photos
                            > please send
                            > > > them too - but not essential.
                            > > >
                            > > > I imagine that you will be far too busy to think
                            > about the
                            > > > Webinar during the e-learning conference - and
                            > waiting
                            > > > until afterwards would be leaving it too late.
                            > Please send
                            > > > your reply as soon as you can.
                            > > >
                            > > > We will need to start inviting other people to
                            > your
                            > > > Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to
                            > plan if
                            > > > they are going to be able to attend, and I think
                            > a good
                            > > > number of people could be interested. (Even if
                            > we would be
                            > > > happy with quite a small discussion, we still
                            > need to
                            > > > build the numbers.)
                            > > >
                            > > > Numbers are important because Asif is only able
                            > to offer a
                            > > > series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the
                            > sponsor) sees
                            > > > that the number of participants is steadily
                            > increasing.
                            > > >
                            > > > I hope we will have a Webinar series addressing
                            > various
                            > > > concerns related to education and health, It is
                            > great to
                            > > > have this opportunity. I am excited that we are
                            > have
                            > > > started to build a small, but growing, team of
                            > people who
                            > > > are signing in to Webinars, finding out what
                            > happens, and
                            > > > becoming willing to take an increasingly active
                            > role. I
                            > > > hope this will keep growing.
                            > > >
                            > > > Please everyone spread the word. Through the
                            > Webinars,
                            > > > people who have shared interests but very
                            > different
                            > > > perspectives, can come together to discuss
                            > issues (using
                            > > > text and voice) while sharing information such
                            > as photos,
                            > > > diagrams, websites and other images on the
                            > inter-active
                            > > > whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first -
                            > at least
                            > > > I found it so - but then, I do not like learning
                            > new
                            > > > techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists
                            > strange
                            > > > and intimidating at first. Now I am happy with
                            > yahoo lists
                            > > > and also happy with Webinars. Please let people
                            > know that
                            > > > if they come to a Webinar for the first time
                            > other people
                            > > > will be ready to help them feel welcome. New
                            > people can
                            > > > simply watch and listen until they feel ready to
                            > do more.
                            > > > We are there to Learn From Each Other - each at
                            > our own
                            > > > pace - to share what we know - and to gradually
                            > develop
                            > > > new knowledge and understanding.
                            > > >
                            > > > I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June
                            > 7th.
                            > > >
                            > > > Pam
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Kindest Regards,
                            > > >
                            > > > Ibrahim Halkano A
                            > > > Oracle Functional Consultant
                            > > > Vesl Technologies Limited
                            > > > JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
                            > > > Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
                            > > > Tel: +255-22-2135336
                            > > > Fax:+255-22-2135428
                            > > > Cell:+255-784-493775
                            > > > Website: www.vesltech.com
                            > <http://www.vesltech.com/>
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >




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                          • Andrius Kulikauskas
                            Pamela, What a wonderful, clear letter about your vision! These are the kinds of letters that I wish we all write as often as we can. I also found your reading
                            Message 13 of 22 , May 29, 2007
                              Pamela,

                              What a wonderful, clear letter about your vision!
                              These are the kinds of letters that I wish we all write as often as we can.
                              I also found your reading of ICT4D very fresh and original!

                              One clarification: Minciu Sodas laboratory is a business (my sole
                              proprietorship) just as Asif Daya's TrainersPod. Therefore, a condition
                              of my participation at the webinars, but especially as a facilitator, is
                              that they take place in the Public Domain so that we might all share the
                              content generated. I won't be able to participate unless this is made
                              clear. Indeed, this is a cornerstone for our laboratory's work and the
                              reason that we are able to offer so many free services. The Public
                              Domain is a principle that allows for "overlapping cultures".

                              I and the Minciu Sodas laboratory may in some exceptional cases give up
                              our copyright for compensation. For example, 300 USD might be
                              reasonable to facilitate a session, and additional 300 USD to give up
                              all rights. But even here I would decline because it goes counter to
                              the culture of Public Domain that I am encouraging us to invest
                              ourselves in.

                              I propose that a series of "Minciu Sodas" webinars (or one where I
                              should take an active role) take place under the same rules as the
                              agreement which Asif and I used for the one I led.

                              Asif, Pamela, Could we do that? Or please clarify or decide.

                              Andrius

                              Andrius Kulikauskas
                              Minciu Sodas
                              http://www.ms.lt
                              ms@...
                              +370 (699) 30003
                              Vilnius, Lithuania


                              Pamela McLean wrote:
                              > Andrius, Asif, Samwel and all. This post is about leadership roles,
                              > and this webinar in the wider context of LFEO (Learning From Each
                              > Other) and ICT for Development.
                              >
                              > Andrius, I am very happy to get your confirmation of attendance and
                              > role at Samwel's Webinar. Please read on as I write something more
                              > about your role and Samwel's later. Thanks too for your comments about
                              > the content. Let us agree a future date for a focus on malaria. I
                              > suggest finding a date when Peter Burgess, and others with a strong
                              > interest in the topic, can also participate.
                              >
                              > All-
                              > For me, as leader of the Learning From Each Other (LFEO) group these
                              > Webinars are very exciting as they cover all parts of ICT4D, so we
                              > have the opportunity to be learning in four areas all at once.
                              >
                              > ~ Regarding I for Information - we have interesting content - Andrius
                              > mentioned some of the possible themes and topics in his email, and
                              > there are others we are considering as well. .
                              >
                              > ~ Regarding C for Communication (which I think of as "people with a
                              > purpose" i.e. the human relationship side of why we are communicating
                              > with each other) - we already have strong reasons to communicate with
                              > each other within the lab, and this is a further opportunity to
                              > communicate with each other, and to bring others into our discussions.
                              >
                              > ~ Regarding T for Technology - Elluminate software is used for the
                              > Trainerspod Webinars and (as individuals and as a group) we are
                              > gradually developing our skills and confidence in using it.
                              >
                              > ~ Regarding D for Development - We are developing our own style
                              > regarding Webinars. The most usual way of presenting a Webinar is to
                              > have one presenter, who gives a lecture and then participants ask
                              > questions. It is a top- down approach to sharing knowledge. I am
                              > trying to find a way to develop something with a different style -
                              > something which is closer to the supportive sharing culture of the lab
                              > in general. Specifically, I am trying to develop a way of using this
                              > software to foster an approach of Learning From Each Other. For this
                              > reason I want to call the series the Trainerspod Learning From Each
                              > Other series. People (especially people who come from a cultural
                              > experience of top-down Webinars) will know from the title that our
                              > Webinars emphasise sharing our knowledge and experience with each
                              > other (and beyond).
                              >
                              > I suggest that because we are moving forward on all four aspects of
                              > ICT4D we need a very special kind of leadership and collaboration
                              > during the Webinar series.
                              >
                              > ~ Regarding I for Information - the content - that is something that
                              > will change from one Webinar to the next. The topics will be selected
                              > according to people's interests - as is happening this time, where we
                              > are being lead by Samwels' interests. We will be lead by those
                              > interests even if something happens on the day which prevents Samwel
                              > from contributing fully. Of course we hope all will go well, but we
                              > know there are many practical difficulties. I do not want anyone to
                              > feel that they dare not suggest Webinar topics in case, on the day,
                              > they are unable to link up. For this Webinar we hope that Samwel will
                              > be able to lead the direction of our discussions, but if something
                              > prevents him , or interrupts him, then Andrius has said he will lead
                              > on the content - and Andrius knows Samwel&# 39;s interests well,
                              > although from a different perspective.
                              >
                              > ~ Regarding C for Communication - the people side of things - this is
                              > where I hope Andrius will definitely take the lead in shaping our
                              > discussions. Andrius I hope you will take this leadership role as
                              > often as possible during the series. I was so impressed by the way
                              > that you "brought people in" during the Webinar where you led the
                              > content. To me it reflected that caring, inclusive and nurturing
                              > approach which you demonstrate all the time within the lab. I believe
                              > that it will be much easier for people to offer suggestions for
                              > content for the series if they know that someone else will be
                              > responsible for the group dynamics of any meeting which subsequently
                              > covers that content. Even in a traditonal F2F (face to face)
                              > presentation, where everyone is familiar with the format, there is
                              > often a chairman mediating between the speaker and the questioners.
                              > This series is much more complex and subtle in the kinds of
                              > interactions we hope to enable, and i t is new to everyone. This is
                              > why I want a communications leader as well as an information leader
                              > (except, Andrius, that if you have to step in for Samwel regarding
                              > informaion/content leadership, you would still be the best person for
                              > the communication/people-focussed leadership as well).
                              >
                              > ~ Regarding T for Technology - we don't need to arrange who does that.
                              > We are safely in the hands of Asif and Jenny of Trainserspod regarding
                              > the technology. Many of you already know Asif through LFEO and other
                              > groups in the Minciu Sodas lab. Please be aware that when we do a
                              > Webinar with Trainserspod we are doing it "at Trainerspod."
                              > Trainerspod is based in America and is a commercial company, able to
                              > offer these Webinars thanks to sponsorship from Elluminate. ( i.e. We
                              > do not e-meet for the Webinars "at LFEO in Andrius' lab" - it is a
                              > differnet culture.) Asif has arranged for Trainerspod to collaborate
                              > with us on this series of Webinars at no cost to any of us, and all
                              > the information which we share will be recorded and will be freely
                              > available for anyone to listen to, however there will be copyright
                              > restrictions on anyone wishing to re-use it in for profit, as the
                              > copyright will belong to Trainerspod (further details available on
                              > request.) For someone like me, i.e. accustomed to a more informal
                              > collaborative approach, based on simple trust and shared objectives,
                              > this seemed initially very formal and legalistic. However I recognise
                              > that different cultures have different ways and I do my best to fit in
                              > with the culture of my host - even if I have e-arrived, via the
                              > Internet, instead of travelling physically to a different country and
                              > its culture.
                              >
                              > ~ Regarding D for Development - I am responsible for leading the
                              > overall development of the series. I will also stand in for Andrius
                              > when necessary regarding the communication leadership role.
                              >
                              > I look forward to meeting on June 7th at the Webinar.
                              >
                              > Pam
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > On 28/05/07, *Andrius Kulikauskas* < ms@... <mailto:ms@...>> wrote:
                              >
                              > Pamela, Asif and all,
                              >
                              > Yes, I will participate June 7th at Samwel Kongere's webinar and will
                              > assist as needed, but especially if he can't lead it for some reason.
                              >
                              > I imagine that Samwel is very busy these days so I will suggest a
                              > topic. Malaria is comparatively low on his interests. In order he
                              > listed them as: Literacy, ICT, Africa regional network, Malaria
                              > prevention, community websites, see
                              > http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors
                              >
                              > I therefore suggest the following topic:
                              >
                              > "Lessons on the ground from African independent thinkers".
                              >
                              > Samwel Kongere shares conclusions from his work both online and on
                              > the
                              > ground in Africa:
                              > * What does he find valuable or not from the online world of
                              > Minciu Sodas?
                              > * How are our values relevant or not on the ground in Kenya and
                              > Africa?
                              > * What approaches and values does he add to ours?
                              > * What can we learn from him? and apply elsewhere in Kenya, Africa
                              > and
                              > around the world?
                              > * What are his own priorities?
                              > * What priorities does he suggest for an East African regional
                              > network?
                              > and for the world?
                              > * What next steps might we all take?
                              > And in particular:
                              > * News from the eLearning Africa conference in Nairobi, Kenya
                              > * What we might do together for literacy and learning?
                              > * What would be an optimal combination of communication channels
                              > for us
                              > to seek for, that might include Internet access (high bandwidth
                              > and low
                              > bandwidth), publishing (video, audio, disks, books, sheets), as
                              > well as
                              > community radio, storytelling, theater, games and more?
                              > * Who are people and groups that we should try to work with?
                              >
                              > And we will all jump in with our own perspectives, too! and all
                              > subjects, include health, will have their turn.
                              >
                              > Asif, I suggest using the above for the invitations. Samwel can then
                              > take the lead and modify as he is able.
                              >
                              > Hi Ibrahim, Thank you for writing! and I am glad that you will all
                              > meet!
                              > Also, I hope that in Kenya and Tanzania you might all discuss a
                              > strategy
                              > for ensuring that everybody has a computer and Internet access.
                              > Should
                              > we try to assemble computers? Resell flash drives? Experiment with
                              > wireless Internet access? Organize Internet centers? Should we
                              > work on
                              > our own or can we work together with existing centers and initiatives?
                              >
                              > Yes, Janet is right, please find a person who might sign people up
                              > for
                              > Holistic Helping! and Samwel should sign up people for Mendenyo! Each
                              > person might sign up people for one of our groups. That is very very
                              > important!
                              >
                              > Andrius
                              >
                              > Andrius Kulikauskas
                              > Minciu Sodas
                              > ms@... <mailto:ms%40ms.lt>
                              > http://www.ms.lt
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Pamela McLean wrote:
                              > > Ibrahim and Asif and everyone,
                              > >
                              > > Ibrahim - I am delighted that you are interested in Samwel's
                              > Webinar.
                              > > I hope you and Samwel will be able to meet so that he can tell
                              > you all
                              > > about it - but even if that is not possible you will still be
                              > able to
                              > > participate. All you need really is to be able to go online, and
                              > > listen as well as watch. If you have a microphone so much the
                              > better,
                              > > because then you can speak to all the other participants. But a
                              > > microphone is not essential. It is always possible to "say" what you
                              > > want to say by typing into the text box. In fact Fred joined in last
                              > > time even though he could not hear what was going on. He was able to
                              > > join in the typed chat, and he could see the PowerPoint slides that
                              > > were displayed, Sasha and others typed comments to Fred about
                              > what was
                              > > being said.
                              > >
                              > > We hope that gradually more of the members of our group who are in
                              > > Africa will be able to overcome their difficulties with Internet
                              > > access and join in Webinars as well as contributing to this group by
                              > > email. If you have difficulty joining a Webinar please let us know
                              > > the problem, because sometimes if we share problems then we can find
                              > > solutions.
                              > >
                              > > Asif - Please will you post details for Ibrahim of exactly what the
                              > > technical requirements are, and how people join.
                              > >
                              > > Ibrahim - I note that you are particularly interested in
                              > participating
                              > > in a Webinar about ICT. We definitely hope to have Webinars around
                              > > that topic. The plan is to have a series of LearningFromEachOther
                              > > Webinars where we can join together to share our endeavours,
                              > knowledge
                              > > and questions about health and education.
                              > >
                              > > There will be an emphasis on ICT-enabled endeavours because ICT is
                              > > important for communication, and communication is important for
                              > > collaboration and collaboration helps us all to achieve more than we
                              > > can achieve on our own.
                              > >
                              > > Let us use this group to exchange ideas and recognise shared
                              > interests
                              > > - and that sharing will help us to choose the topics for our
                              > Webinars.
                              > >
                              > > Everyone - if you want to join the Webinars but you have
                              > questions or
                              > > difficulties please ask. I cannot promise that anyone will have the
                              > > solution - but someone might. It is only by asking that we find out,
                              > > and here at LearningFromEachOther is the ideal place to share our
                              > > questions.
                              > >
                              > > Pam
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > On 25/05/07, *ibrahim halkano* <ihalkano@...
                              > <mailto:ihalkano%40yahoo.com>
                              > > <mailto:ihalkano@... <mailto:ihalkano%40yahoo.com>>> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Hi,
                              > > Samwel kindly find time to visit me when you come to Daressalaam.
                              > > i would like to participating in the webinar you would be doing
                              > > from here. i would also want to look into areas of interest in
                              > > Information technology. I would then share experiences i had
                              > > working with parastals in 5 countries in africa implementing an
                              > > enterprise resource planing applications.
                              > >
                              > > best of regards
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > */Pamela McLean <pam@... <mailto:pam%40cawd.net> <mailto:
                              > pam@... <mailto:pam%40cawd.net>>> /* wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for
                              > > Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing
                              > > a Webinar there on the 7Th if possible but if we can not
                              > > do it, Andrius will take the lead".
                              > >
                              > > Hi Samwel and everyone
                              > >
                              > > I am very pleased that you - Samwel - are planning to do
                              > > the Webinar from Tanzania.
                              > >
                              > > I imagine, from some earlier information exchanges that
                              > > you will focus on health issues, especially malaria. Is
                              > > that correct? It will help if you can quickly list your
                              > > concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if you have any
                              > > problems linking up at the start of the Webinar we will
                              > > be able to include your concerns in the discussions. If
                              > > you have any urls to share as well, or photos please send
                              > > them too - but not essential.
                              > >
                              > > I imagine that you will be far too busy to think about the
                              > > Webinar during the e-learning conference - and waiting
                              > > until afterwards would be leaving it too late. Please send
                              > > your reply as soon as you can.
                              > >
                              > > We will need to start inviting other people to your
                              > > Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to plan if
                              > > they are going to be able to attend, and I think a good
                              > > number of people could be interested. (Even if we would be
                              > > happy with quite a small discussion, we still need to
                              > > build the numbers.)
                              > >
                              > > Numbers are important because Asif is only able to offer a
                              > > series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the sponsor) sees
                              > > that the number of participants is steadily increasing.
                              > >
                              > > I hope we will have a Webinar series addressing various
                              > > concerns related to education and health, It is great to
                              > > have this opportunity. I am excited that we are have
                              > > started to build a small, but growing, team of people who
                              > > are signing in to Webinars, finding out what happens, and
                              > > becoming willing to take an increasingly active role. I
                              > > hope this will keep growing.
                              > >
                              > > Please everyone spread the word. Through the Webinars,
                              > > people who have shared interests but very different
                              > > perspectives, can come together to discuss issues (using
                              > > text and voice) while sharing information such as photos,
                              > > diagrams, websites and other images on the inter-active
                              > > whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first - at least
                              > > I found it so - but then, I do not like learning new
                              > > techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists strange
                              > > and intimidating at first. Now I am happy with yahoo lists
                              > > and also happy with Webinars. Please let people know that
                              > > if they come to a Webinar for the first time other people
                              > > will be ready to help them feel welcome. New people can
                              > > simply watch and listen until they feel ready to do more.
                              > > We are there to Learn From Each Other - each at our own
                              > > pace - to share what we know - and to gradually develop
                              > > new knowledge and understanding.
                              > >
                              > > I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June 7th.
                              > >
                              > > Pam
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Kindest Regards,
                              > >
                              > > Ibrahim Halkano A
                              > > Oracle Functional Consultant
                              > > Vesl Technologies Limited
                              > > JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
                              > > Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
                              > > Tel: +255-22-2135336
                              > > Fax:+255-22-2135428
                              > > Cell:+255-784-493775
                              > > Website: www.vesltech.com <http://www.vesltech.com> <
                              > http://www.vesltech.com/>
                              > >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                            • Pamela McLean
                              Andrius, Asif, Samwel, Fred, Prince and all Andrius, As ever, thank you for you encouragement. I am glad you liked my reading of ICT4D - I know it is an
                              Message 14 of 22 , May 29, 2007
                                Andrius, Asif, Samwel, Fred, Prince  and all

                                Andrius, As ever, thank you for you encouragement.  I am glad you liked my "reading of ICT4D" - I know it is an unusual take - but people know the initials and so I find it a useful checklist and means of clarification. It seems to me that many ICT4D discussion run into confusion because so much is all muddled together, and sometimes people who think they are collaborating on the same thing are, in fact, interested in very different elements. My checklist helps to sort it out.

                                Andrius and Asif.
                                Regarding Public Domain and Trainerspod Copyright. I am sorry this has been raised at such a late point. I was intending to write a flyer for Samwel's Webinar this evening, to send to people outside the lab, to invite them to participate. I don't think I can do that until  this issue has been settled. I note that some satisfactory agreement was made between you both when Andrius gave his Webinar. I hope something can be agreed so that the Webinar goes forward as planned. I think it would be very helpful if the issues around Public Domain could be explained to the rest of us, so that we can learn from the different viewpoints that are held by you both.

                                Samwel and everyone.
                                I am concerned that Samwel, and others, may find themselves caught in the middle of a disagreement. I want people to understand the issues. I do not want any disagreement to become a matter of personalities, with other people in the group feeling that they should "take sides". I feel it is important that people at LFEO know that it is okay to have differences of opinion - we can differ on various points and still respect and appreciate each other. If we are not able to resolve these issues in time for the June 7th Webinar I hope that Samwel will not miss out on the opportunity, but will take a leading information role in another Webinar later in the series.

                                As the leader of the "Development" side of this series of Webinars, I will be greatly saddened if the input from people within the lab is reduced because of the issues of Public Domain. The Webinar series has been finding its feet for some time now. I started observing Trainerspod top-down Webinars last year and began to contribute to them. I presented my first Webinar about year ago and began to explore how to alter the approach to make Webinars
                                more participative, more appropriate for the way I see effective ICT4Ed and ICT4D. I brought in people from Cawdnet - the network built around my work with CAWD - and also people frorm Minciu Sodas.  I am trying to learn how to enable increased participation from the African side ( i.e. the "bandwidth challenged' side). This is something I am also trying to do through my work with the Teachers Talking (about ICT) programme, especially the TT-online element.

                                The most recent Webinar (the one after Andrius') was one by the Cawdnet health special interest group.  It was co-presented by Prof Dick Heller in the UK and Dr John Dada in Nigeria. John was delayed, assisting a friend who was badly injured in a road accident shortly before the Webinar. Despite this John did manage to get back in time to actively participate in the presentation with Dick. We had anticipated that there might be difficulties on the Nigerian side, which is partly why it was a co-presentation - but we had not anticipated a serious road accident - although sadly they are very common on Nigerian roads. My hope is that in the next Webinar we will be moving on regarding the amount of input from Africa - again with a supportive partnership - this time with Samwel leading the information content, supported by Andrius.

                                My vision for education and development, enabled by ICT, is one where we enable free sharing of knowledge and ideas. In my long term vision people like Samwel and Fred and Tom
                                and David ( and the communities that such people represent) will become confident and skilled at sharing their knowledge through Webinars and suchlike. Diaspora people like Prince (from Ghana) and Elfneh (from Ethiopia) will get involved, and bring in people from their homelands. (Sorry Prince - this my first personal response to you following you question about Webinars. I hope the general information we have been exchanging has answered your question sufficiently - but if not - please ask me again.) I see the present Webinar series partly as an opportunity to develop people's  skills and raise their profiles as potential Community Development consultants. This is why I have been so excited to see the way that Fred and Samwel have tried to overcome local problems in order to participate - followed by people in the lab supporting them to make it easier for them to hear and speak and fully participate.

                                In my vision when our African grassroots experts are known (and when we are really smooth operators, confident in how we behave in Webinars and how we use the technology) then people with a need to know will come to Webinars and pay for the information that the consultants will give.  Until then I don't really mind who "owns" the information we generate during Webinars. It will be freely available to anyone who wants to access it. 
                                Personally my present concern is to develop the strategies, and groups, and behaviours, that will enable grassroots participation in international exchanges of information. In my vision these structures and systems will go beyond information exchange simply for its own sake - I see it as information exchange for decision making, for policy making, for project planning, project management, for enabling practical solutions to overcoming poverty, for tackling millennium developments goals, for technology transfer, for education, anything where people who were previously separated by distance can e-come together to collaborate.

                                Andrius and Asif. I am glad you previously found some way to agree, in order for the earlier Webinar that Andrius took part in. I hope you will reach agreement so that Samwel's will go ahead on Thursday. I will not advertise it further until I know what has been agreed. If there is not agreement then we will postpone this particular Webinar, and I will approach Samwel about taking part in one later in the series.  I am continuing to plan for the series. 
                                Andrius, my hope continues to be that you will play an active part in the Webinars, but if you do not feel able to I will try to understand your viewpoint. Asif I hope you and Andrius will be able to reach some agreement, but if not then I will also try to understand your viewpoint. Even if it turns out that you are not able to work together on this particular project I hope you will continue to work together on other things, and I look forward to continuing to work with both of you, separately or together.

                                Pam

                                 
                                 
                                On 29/05/07, Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:

                                Pamela,

                                What a wonderful, clear letter about your vision!
                                These are the kinds of letters that I wish we all write as often as we can.
                                I also found your reading of ICT4D very fresh and original!

                                One clarification: Minciu Sodas laboratory is a business (my sole
                                proprietorship) just as Asif Daya's TrainersPod. Therefore, a condition
                                of my participation at the webinars, but especially as a facilitator, is
                                that they take place in the Public Domain so that we might all share the
                                content generated. I won't be able to participate unless this is made
                                clear. Indeed, this is a cornerstone for our laboratory's work and the
                                reason that we are able to offer so many free services. The Public
                                Domain is a principle that allows for "overlapping cultures".

                                I and the Minciu Sodas laboratory may in some exceptional cases give up
                                our copyright for compensation. For example, 300 USD might be
                                reasonable to facilitate a session, and additional 300 USD to give up
                                all rights. But even here I would decline because it goes counter to
                                the culture of Public Domain that I am encouraging us to invest
                                ourselves in.

                                I propose that a series of "Minciu Sodas" webinars (or one where I
                                should take an active role) take place under the same rules as the
                                agreement which Asif and I used for the one I led.

                                Asif, Pamela, Could we do that? Or please clarify or decide.

                                Andrius

                                Andrius Kulikauskas
                                Minciu Sodas
                                http://www.ms.lt
                                ms@...
                                +370 (699) 30003
                                Vilnius, Lithuania



                              • David mutua
                                Dear All, Its been an hectic time for me, not yet met Sam well but will try my best. As you i have not been feeling well and i found that i have to do a late
                                Message 15 of 22 , May 30, 2007
                                  Dear All,
                                  Its been an hectic time for me, not yet met Sam well
                                  but will try my best. As you i have not been feeling
                                  well and i found that i have to do a late application
                                  for a scholarship at University of Manchester this
                                  Sep' Sincerely this is a priority at the moment but i
                                  can make all possible arrangement to meet all in
                                  Nairobi any time pls.
                                  I hope you do understand.Mailing from the hotel
                                  (safari park cafe)

                                  Regards,

                                  David

                                  --- Pamela McLean <pam@...> wrote:

                                  > Andrius, Asif, Samwel, Fred, Prince and all
                                  >
                                  > Andrius, As ever, thank you for you encouragement.
                                  > I am glad you liked my
                                  > "reading of ICT4D" - I know it is an unusual take -
                                  > but people know the
                                  > initials and so I find it a useful checklist and
                                  > means of clarification. It
                                  > seems to me that many ICT4D discussion run into
                                  > confusion because so much is
                                  > all muddled together, and sometimes people who think
                                  > they are collaborating
                                  > on the same thing are, in fact, interested in very
                                  > different elements. My
                                  > checklist helps to sort it out.
                                  >
                                  > Andrius and Asif.
                                  > Regarding Public Domain and Trainerspod Copyright. I
                                  > am sorry this has been
                                  > raised at such a late point. I was intending to
                                  > write a flyer for Samwel's
                                  > Webinar this evening, to send to people outside the
                                  > lab, to invite them to
                                  > participate. I don't think I can do that until this
                                  > issue has been settled.
                                  > I note that some satisfactory agreement was made
                                  > between you both when
                                  > Andrius gave his Webinar. I hope something can be
                                  > agreed so that the Webinar
                                  > goes forward as planned. I think it would be very
                                  > helpful if the issues
                                  > around Public Domain could be explained to the rest
                                  > of us, so that we can
                                  > learn from the different viewpoints that are held by
                                  > you both.
                                  >
                                  > Samwel and everyone.
                                  > I am concerned that Samwel, and others, may find
                                  > themselves caught in the
                                  > middle of a disagreement. I want people to
                                  > understand the issues. I do not
                                  > want any disagreement to become a matter of
                                  > personalities, with other people
                                  > in the group feeling that they should "take sides".
                                  > I feel it is important
                                  > that people at LFEO know that it is okay to have
                                  > differences of opinion - we
                                  > can differ on various points and still respect and
                                  > appreciate each other. If
                                  > we are not able to resolve these issues in time for
                                  > the June 7th Webinar I
                                  > hope that Samwel will not miss out on the
                                  > opportunity, but will take a
                                  > leading information role in another Webinar later in
                                  > the series.
                                  >
                                  > As the leader of the "Development" side of this
                                  > series of Webinars, I will
                                  > be greatly saddened if the input from people within
                                  > the lab is reduced
                                  > because of the issues of Public Domain. The Webinar
                                  > series has been finding
                                  > its feet for some time now. I started observing
                                  > Trainerspod top-down
                                  > Webinars last year and began to contribute to them.
                                  > I presented my first
                                  > Webinar about year ago and began to explore how to
                                  > alter the approach to
                                  > make Webinars more participative, more appropriate
                                  > for the way I see
                                  > effective ICT4Ed and ICT4D. I brought in people from
                                  > Cawdnet - the network
                                  > built around my work with CAWD - and also people
                                  > frorm Minciu Sodas. I am
                                  > trying to learn how to enable increased
                                  > participation from the African side
                                  > (i.e. the "bandwidth challenged' side). This is
                                  > something I am also trying
                                  > to do through my work with the Teachers Talking
                                  > (about ICT) programme,
                                  > especially the TT-online element.
                                  >
                                  > The most recent Webinar (the one after Andrius') was
                                  > one by the Cawdnet
                                  > health special interest group. It was co-presented
                                  > by Prof Dick Heller in
                                  > the UK and Dr John Dada in Nigeria. John was
                                  > delayed, assisting a friend who
                                  > was badly injured in a road accident shortly before
                                  > the Webinar. Despite
                                  > this John did manage to get back in time to actively
                                  > participate in the
                                  > presentation with Dick. We had anticipated that
                                  > there might be difficulties
                                  > on the Nigerian side, which is partly why it was a
                                  > co-presentation - but we
                                  > had not anticipated a serious road accident -
                                  > although sadly they are very
                                  > common on Nigerian roads. My hope is that in the
                                  > next Webinar we will be
                                  > moving on regarding the amount of input from Africa
                                  > - again with a
                                  > supportive partnership - this time with Samwel
                                  > leading the information
                                  > content, supported by Andrius.
                                  >
                                  > My vision for education and development, enabled by
                                  > ICT, is one where we
                                  > enable free sharing of knowledge and ideas. In my
                                  > long term vision people
                                  > like Samwel and Fred and Tom and David ( and the
                                  > communities that such
                                  > people represent) will become confident and skilled
                                  > at sharing their
                                  > knowledge through Webinars and suchlike. Diaspora
                                  > people like Prince (from
                                  > Ghana) and Elfneh (from Ethiopia) will get involved,
                                  > and bring in people
                                  > from their homelands. (Sorry Prince - this my first
                                  > personal response to you
                                  > following you question about Webinars. I hope the
                                  > general information we
                                  > have been exchanging has answered your question
                                  > sufficiently - but if not -
                                  > please ask me again.) I see the present Webinar
                                  > series partly as an
                                  > opportunity to develop people's skills and raise
                                  > their profiles as
                                  > potential Community Development consultants. This is
                                  > why I have been so
                                  > excited to see the way that Fred and Samwel have
                                  > tried to overcome local
                                  > problems in order to participate - followed by
                                  > people in the lab supporting
                                  > them to make it easier for them to hear and speak
                                  > and fully participate.
                                  >
                                  > In my vision when our African grassroots experts are
                                  > known (and when we are
                                  > really smooth operators, confident in how we behave
                                  > in Webinars and how we
                                  > use the technology) then people with a need to know
                                  > will come to Webinars
                                  > and pay for the information that the consultants
                                  > will give. Until then I
                                  > don't really mind who "owns" the information we
                                  > generate during Webinars. It
                                  > will be freely available to anyone who wants to
                                  > access it. Personally my
                                  > present concern is to develop the strategies, and
                                  > groups, and behaviours,
                                  > that will enable grassroots participation in
                                  > international exchanges of
                                  > information. In my vision these structures and
                                  > systems will go beyond
                                  > information exchange simply for its own sake - I see
                                  > it as information
                                  > exchange for decision making, for policy making, for
                                  > project planning,
                                  > project management, for enabling practical solutions
                                  > to overcoming poverty,
                                  > for tackling millennium developments goals, for
                                  > technology transfer, for
                                  > education, anything where people who were previously
                                  > separated by distance
                                  > can e-come together to collaborate.
                                  >
                                  > Andrius and Asif. I am glad you previously found
                                  > some way to agree, in order
                                  > for the earlier Webinar that Andrius took part in. I
                                  > hope you will reach
                                  > agreement so that Samwel's will go ahead on
                                  > Thursday. I will not advertise
                                  > it further until I know what has been agreed. If
                                  > there is not agreement then
                                  > we will postpone this particular Webinar, and I will
                                  > approach Samwel about
                                  > taking part in one later in the series. I am
                                  > continuing to plan for the
                                  > series. Andrius, my hope continues to be that you
                                  > will play an active part
                                  > in the Webinars, but if you do not feel able to I
                                  > will try to understand
                                  > your viewpoint. Asif I hope you and Andrius will be
                                  > able to reach some
                                  > agreement, but if not then I will also try to
                                  > understand your viewpoint.
                                  > Even if it turns out that you are not able to work
                                  > together on this
                                  > particular project I hope you will continue to work
                                  > together on other
                                  > things, and I look forward to continuing to work
                                  > with both of you,
                                  > separately or together.
                                  >
                                  > Pam
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > On 29/05/07, Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Pamela,
                                  > >
                                  > > What a wonderful, clear letter about your vision!
                                  > > These are the kinds of letters that I wish we all
                                  > write as often as we
                                  > > can.
                                  > > I also found your reading of ICT4D very fresh and
                                  > original!
                                  > >
                                  > > One clarification: Minciu Sodas laboratory is a
                                  > business (my sole
                                  > > proprietorship) just as Asif Daya's TrainersPod.
                                  > Therefore, a condition
                                  > > of my participation at the webinars, but
                                  > especially as a facilitator, is
                                  > > that they take place in the Public Domain so that
                                  > we might all share the
                                  > > content generated. I won't be able to participate
                                  > unless this is made
                                  > > clear. Indeed, this is a cornerstone for our
                                  > laboratory's work and the
                                  > > reason that we are able to offer so many free
                                  > services. The Public
                                  > > Domain is a principle that allows for "overlapping
                                  > cultures".
                                  > >
                                  > > I and the Minciu Sodas laboratory may in some
                                  > exceptional cases give up
                                  > > our copyright for compensation. For example, 300
                                  > USD might be
                                  > > reasonable to facilitate a session, and additional
                                  > 300 USD to give up
                                  > > all rights. But even here I would decline because
                                  > it goes counter to
                                  > > the culture of Public Domain that I am encouraging
                                  > us to invest
                                  > > ourselves in.
                                  > >
                                  > > I propose that a series of "Minciu Sodas" webinars
                                  > (or one where I
                                  > > should take an active role) take place under the
                                  > same rules as the
                                  > > agreement which Asif and I used for the one I led.
                                  > >
                                  > > Asif, Pamela, Could we do that? Or please clarify
                                  > or decide.
                                  > >
                                  > > Andrius
                                  > >
                                  > > Andrius Kulikauskas
                                  > > Minciu Sodas
                                  > > http://www.ms.lt
                                  > > ms@... <ms%40ms.lt>
                                  > > +370 (699) 30003
                                  > > Vilnius, Lithuania
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  >




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                                • David mutua
                                  Hi Sam, I have been trying to call you since we met this afternoon for a meeting, please let me know we can meet before you head to Tanzania, sorry i had a
                                  Message 16 of 22 , May 30, 2007
                                    Hi Sam,
                                    I have been trying to call you since we met this
                                    afternoon for a meeting, please let me know we can
                                    meet before you head to Tanzania, sorry i had a
                                    meeting with David Hallow and Gbenga when we met this
                                    afternoon.
                                    Your phone is not going through, call me pls.

                                    David

                                    --- Pamela McLean <pam@...> wrote:

                                    > Andrius, Asif, Samwel, Fred, Prince and all
                                    >
                                    > Andrius, As ever, thank you for you encouragement.
                                    > I am glad you liked my
                                    > "reading of ICT4D" - I know it is an unusual take -
                                    > but people know the
                                    > initials and so I find it a useful checklist and
                                    > means of clarification. It
                                    > seems to me that many ICT4D discussion run into
                                    > confusion because so much is
                                    > all muddled together, and sometimes people who think
                                    > they are collaborating
                                    > on the same thing are, in fact, interested in very
                                    > different elements. My
                                    > checklist helps to sort it out.
                                    >
                                    > Andrius and Asif.
                                    > Regarding Public Domain and Trainerspod Copyright. I
                                    > am sorry this has been
                                    > raised at such a late point. I was intending to
                                    > write a flyer for Samwel's
                                    > Webinar this evening, to send to people outside the
                                    > lab, to invite them to
                                    > participate. I don't think I can do that until this
                                    > issue has been settled.
                                    > I note that some satisfactory agreement was made
                                    > between you both when
                                    > Andrius gave his Webinar. I hope something can be
                                    > agreed so that the Webinar
                                    > goes forward as planned. I think it would be very
                                    > helpful if the issues
                                    > around Public Domain could be explained to the rest
                                    > of us, so that we can
                                    > learn from the different viewpoints that are held by
                                    > you both.
                                    >
                                    > Samwel and everyone.
                                    > I am concerned that Samwel, and others, may find
                                    > themselves caught in the
                                    > middle of a disagreement. I want people to
                                    > understand the issues. I do not
                                    > want any disagreement to become a matter of
                                    > personalities, with other people
                                    > in the group feeling that they should "take sides".
                                    > I feel it is important
                                    > that people at LFEO know that it is okay to have
                                    > differences of opinion - we
                                    > can differ on various points and still respect and
                                    > appreciate each other. If
                                    > we are not able to resolve these issues in time for
                                    > the June 7th Webinar I
                                    > hope that Samwel will not miss out on the
                                    > opportunity, but will take a
                                    > leading information role in another Webinar later in
                                    > the series.
                                    >
                                    > As the leader of the "Development" side of this
                                    > series of Webinars, I will
                                    > be greatly saddened if the input from people within
                                    > the lab is reduced
                                    > because of the issues of Public Domain. The Webinar
                                    > series has been finding
                                    > its feet for some time now. I started observing
                                    > Trainerspod top-down
                                    > Webinars last year and began to contribute to them.
                                    > I presented my first
                                    > Webinar about year ago and began to explore how to
                                    > alter the approach to
                                    > make Webinars more participative, more appropriate
                                    > for the way I see
                                    > effective ICT4Ed and ICT4D. I brought in people from
                                    > Cawdnet - the network
                                    > built around my work with CAWD - and also people
                                    > frorm Minciu Sodas. I am
                                    > trying to learn how to enable increased
                                    > participation from the African side
                                    > (i.e. the "bandwidth challenged' side). This is
                                    > something I am also trying
                                    > to do through my work with the Teachers Talking
                                    > (about ICT) programme,
                                    > especially the TT-online element.
                                    >
                                    > The most recent Webinar (the one after Andrius') was
                                    > one by the Cawdnet
                                    > health special interest group. It was co-presented
                                    > by Prof Dick Heller in
                                    > the UK and Dr John Dada in Nigeria. John was
                                    > delayed, assisting a friend who
                                    > was badly injured in a road accident shortly before
                                    > the Webinar. Despite
                                    > this John did manage to get back in time to actively
                                    > participate in the
                                    > presentation with Dick. We had anticipated that
                                    > there might be difficulties
                                    > on the Nigerian side, which is partly why it was a
                                    > co-presentation - but we
                                    > had not anticipated a serious road accident -
                                    > although sadly they are very
                                    > common on Nigerian roads. My hope is that in the
                                    > next Webinar we will be
                                    > moving on regarding the amount of input from Africa
                                    > - again with a
                                    > supportive partnership - this time with Samwel
                                    > leading the information
                                    > content, supported by Andrius.
                                    >
                                    > My vision for education and development, enabled by
                                    > ICT, is one where we
                                    > enable free sharing of knowledge and ideas. In my
                                    > long term vision people
                                    > like Samwel and Fred and Tom and David ( and the
                                    > communities that such
                                    > people represent) will become confident and skilled
                                    > at sharing their
                                    > knowledge through Webinars and suchlike. Diaspora
                                    > people like Prince (from
                                    > Ghana) and Elfneh (from Ethiopia) will get involved,
                                    > and bring in people
                                    > from their homelands. (Sorry Prince - this my first
                                    > personal response to you
                                    > following you question about Webinars. I hope the
                                    > general information we
                                    > have been exchanging has answered your question
                                    > sufficiently - but if not -
                                    > please ask me again.) I see the present Webinar
                                    > series partly as an
                                    > opportunity to develop people's skills and raise
                                    > their profiles as
                                    > potential Community Development consultants. This is
                                    > why I have been so
                                    > excited to see the way that Fred and Samwel have
                                    > tried to overcome local
                                    > problems in order to participate - followed by
                                    > people in the lab supporting
                                    > them to make it easier for them to hear and speak
                                    > and fully participate.
                                    >
                                    > In my vision when our African grassroots experts are
                                    > known (and when we are
                                    > really smooth operators, confident in how we behave
                                    > in Webinars and how we
                                    > use the technology) then people with a need to know
                                    > will come to Webinars
                                    > and pay for the information that the consultants
                                    > will give. Until then I
                                    > don't really mind who "owns" the information we
                                    > generate during Webinars. It
                                    > will be freely available to anyone who wants to
                                    > access it. Personally my
                                    > present concern is to develop the strategies, and
                                    > groups, and behaviours,
                                    > that will enable grassroots participation in
                                    > international exchanges of
                                    > information. In my vision these structures and
                                    > systems will go beyond
                                    > information exchange simply for its own sake - I see
                                    > it as information
                                    > exchange for decision making, for policy making, for
                                    > project planning,
                                    > project management, for enabling practical solutions
                                    > to overcoming poverty,
                                    > for tackling millennium developments goals, for
                                    > technology transfer, for
                                    > education, anything where people who were previously
                                    > separated by distance
                                    > can e-come together to collaborate.
                                    >
                                    > Andrius and Asif. I am glad you previously found
                                    > some way to agree, in order
                                    > for the earlier Webinar that Andrius took part in. I
                                    > hope you will reach
                                    > agreement so that Samwel's will go ahead on
                                    > Thursday. I will not advertise
                                    > it further until I know what has been agreed. If
                                    > there is not agreement then
                                    > we will postpone this particular Webinar, and I will
                                    > approach Samwel about
                                    > taking part in one later in the series. I am
                                    > continuing to plan for the
                                    > series. Andrius, my hope continues to be that you
                                    > will play an active part
                                    > in the Webinars, but if you do not feel able to I
                                    > will try to understand
                                    > your viewpoint. Asif I hope you and Andrius will be
                                    > able to reach some
                                    > agreement, but if not then I will also try to
                                    > understand your viewpoint.
                                    > Even if it turns out that you are not able to work
                                    > together on this
                                    > particular project I hope you will continue to work
                                    > together on other
                                    > things, and I look forward to continuing to work
                                    > with both of you,
                                    > separately or together.
                                    >
                                    > Pam
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > On 29/05/07, Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Pamela,
                                    > >
                                    > > What a wonderful, clear letter about your vision!
                                    > > These are the kinds of letters that I wish we all
                                    > write as often as we
                                    > > can.
                                    > > I also found your reading of ICT4D very fresh and
                                    > original!
                                    > >
                                    > > One clarification: Minciu Sodas laboratory is a
                                    > business (my sole
                                    > > proprietorship) just as Asif Daya's TrainersPod.
                                    > Therefore, a condition
                                    > > of my participation at the webinars, but
                                    > especially as a facilitator, is
                                    > > that they take place in the Public Domain so that
                                    > we might all share the
                                    > > content generated. I won't be able to participate
                                    > unless this is made
                                    > > clear. Indeed, this is a cornerstone for our
                                    > laboratory's work and the
                                    > > reason that we are able to offer so many free
                                    > services. The Public
                                    > > Domain is a principle that allows for "overlapping
                                    > cultures".
                                    > >
                                    > > I and the Minciu Sodas laboratory may in some
                                    > exceptional cases give up
                                    > > our copyright for compensation. For example, 300
                                    > USD might be
                                    > > reasonable to facilitate a session, and additional
                                    > 300 USD to give up
                                    > > all rights. But even here I would decline because
                                    > it goes counter to
                                    > > the culture of Public Domain that I am encouraging
                                    > us to invest
                                    > > ourselves in.
                                    > >
                                    > > I propose that a series of "Minciu Sodas" webinars
                                    > (or one where I
                                    > > should take an active role) take place under the
                                    > same rules as the
                                    > > agreement which Asif and I used for the one I led.
                                    > >
                                    > > Asif, Pamela, Could we do that? Or please clarify
                                    > or decide.
                                    > >
                                    > > Andrius
                                    > >
                                    > > Andrius Kulikauskas
                                    > > Minciu Sodas
                                    > > http://www.ms.lt
                                    > > ms@... <ms%40ms.lt>
                                    > > +370 (699) 30003
                                    > > Vilnius, Lithuania
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    >




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                                  • asif.daya@trainerspod.com
                                    Andrius: First I must say I respect the way your lab does work and remains in the Public Domain. I wish I could. However, I am unable to do so as TrainersPod
                                    Message 17 of 22 , Jun 1, 2007
                                      Andrius:

                                      First I must say I respect the way your lab does work and remains in the Public Domain. I wish I could. However, I am unable to do so as TrainersPod is owned by another company that has a Board of Directors that look at it as a business model looking for grants and sponsorships and hence prefers to have it in the Non-Public-Domain. However, People can visit the site and everything is FREE for them to use but not to copy or sell. They can even download the Webinars to hear them. Infact we plan to make them available on mobiles. So we are not closed to the Public - just our products are restricted for resale. I made an exception for you when you spoke at Trainerspod Webinar, because Pamela insisted that I invite you, but you would only do it in the Public Domain with some restriction for TrainersPod that we agreed upon. It was a good Webinar and I hope you will continue to participate. Working in your group you can keep things in the Public Domain, but sometimes having to work with another group, you can't really force them to go that way, since it's not part of their culture, but you should still be able to work with them, since your goals and theirs are the same - to help the people of Africa. We do not have divergent missions or goals, just a different culture of doing things and as I respect yours, I hope you would do the same for mine. I hope to see more of you in the Webinars.
                                       
                                      BTW, the Webinar on the 7th of June was discussed this a.m. between Pamela and I and since we were not clear what was going to happen, we cancelled that and scheduled others for the entire year. That is not a reflection of you. Just the logistics of having everything coming to a census within such a short time frame.
                                       
                                      Kind Regards,
                                       
                                      Asif
                                       
                                       
                                       


                                      From: learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com [mailto:learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrius Kulikauskas
                                      Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:29 PM
                                      To: learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: [learningfromeachother] Re: Samwel' s June 7th Webinar

                                      Pamela,

                                      What a wonderful, clear letter about your vision!
                                      These are the kinds of letters that I wish we all write as often as we can.
                                      I also found your reading of ICT4D very fresh and original!

                                      One clarification: Minciu Sodas laboratory is a business (my sole
                                      proprietorship) just as Asif Daya's TrainersPod. Therefore, a condition
                                      of my participation at the webinars, but especially as a facilitator, is
                                      that they take place in the Public Domain so that we might all share the
                                      content generated. I won't be able to participate unless this is made
                                      clear. Indeed, this is a cornerstone for our laboratory's work and the
                                      reason that we are able to offer so many free services. The Public
                                      Domain is a principle that allows for "overlapping cultures".

                                      I and the Minciu Sodas laboratory may in some exceptional cases give up
                                      our copyright for compensation. For example, 300 USD might be
                                      reasonable to facilitate a session, and additional 300 USD to give up
                                      all rights. But even here I would decline because it goes counter to
                                      the culture of Public Domain that I am encouraging us to invest
                                      ourselves in.

                                      I propose that a series of "Minciu Sodas" webinars (or one where I
                                      should take an active role) take place under the same rules as the
                                      agreement which Asif and I used for the one I led.

                                      Asif, Pamela, Could we do that? Or please clarify or decide.

                                      Andrius

                                      Andrius Kulikauskas
                                      Minciu Sodas
                                      http://www.ms. lt
                                      ms@...
                                      +370 (699) 30003
                                      Vilnius, Lithuania

                                      Pamela McLean wrote:

                                      > Andrius, Asif, Samwel and all.
                                      This post is about leadership roles,
                                      > and this webinar in the wider
                                      context of LFEO (Learning From Each
                                      > Other) and ICT for
                                      Development.
                                      >
                                      > Andrius, I am very happy to get your confirmation
                                      of attendance and
                                      > role at Samwel's Webinar. Please read on as I write
                                      something more
                                      > about your role and Samwel's later. Thanks too for your
                                      comments about
                                      > the content. Let us agree a future date for a focus on
                                      malaria. I
                                      > suggest finding a date when Peter Burgess, and others with a
                                      strong
                                      > interest in the topic, can also participate.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      All-
                                      > For me, as leader of the Learning From Each Other (LFEO) group
                                      these
                                      > Webinars are very exciting as they cover all parts of ICT4D, so
                                      we
                                      > have the opportunity to be learning in four areas all at
                                      once.
                                      >
                                      > ~ Regarding I for Information - we have interesting
                                      content - Andrius
                                      > mentioned some of the possible themes and topics in
                                      his email, and
                                      > there are others we are considering as well.
                                      .
                                      >
                                      > ~ Regarding C for Communication (which I think of as "people
                                      with a
                                      > purpose" i.e. the human relationship side of why we are
                                      communicating
                                      > with each other) - we already have strong reasons to
                                      communicate with
                                      > each other within the lab, and this is a further
                                      opportunity to
                                      > communicate with each other, and to bring others into
                                      our discussions.
                                      >
                                      > ~ Regarding T for Technology - Elluminate
                                      software is used for the
                                      > Trainerspod Webinars and (as individuals and
                                      as a group) we are
                                      > gradually developing our skills and confidence in
                                      using it.
                                      >
                                      > ~ Regarding D for Development - We are developing our
                                      own style
                                      > regarding Webinars. The most usual way of presenting a
                                      Webinar is to
                                      > have one presenter, who gives a lecture and then
                                      participants ask
                                      > questions. It is a top- down approach to sharing
                                      knowledge. I am
                                      > trying to find a way to develop something with a
                                      different style -
                                      > something which is closer to the supportive sharing
                                      culture of the lab
                                      > in general. Specifically, I am trying to develop a
                                      way of using this
                                      > software to foster an approach of Learning From Each
                                      Other. For this
                                      > reason I want to call the series the Trainerspod
                                      Learning From Each
                                      > Other series. People (especially people who come
                                      from a cultural
                                      > experience of top-down Webinars) will know from the
                                      title that our
                                      > Webinars emphasise sharing our knowledge and experience
                                      with each
                                      > other (and beyond).
                                      >
                                      > I suggest that because we
                                      are moving forward on all four aspects of
                                      > ICT4D we need a very special
                                      kind of leadership and collaboration
                                      > during the Webinar
                                      series.
                                      >
                                      > ~ Regarding I for Information - the content - that is
                                      something that
                                      > will change from one Webinar to the next. The topics
                                      will be selected
                                      > according to people's interests - as is happening this
                                      time, where we
                                      > are being lead by Samwels' interests. We will be lead by
                                      those
                                      > interests even if something happens on the day which prevents
                                      Samwel
                                      > from contributing fully. Of course we hope all will go well, but
                                      we
                                      > know there are many practical difficulties. I do not want anyone to
                                      > feel that they dare not suggest Webinar topics in case, on the day,
                                      > they are unable to link up. For this Webinar we hope that Samwel will
                                      > be able to lead the direction of our discussions, but if something
                                      > prevents him , or interrupts him, then Andrius has said he will lead
                                      > on the content - and Andrius knows Samwel&# 39;s interests well,
                                      > although from a different perspective.
                                      >
                                      > ~ Regarding C
                                      for Communication - the people side of things - this is
                                      > where I hope
                                      Andrius will definitely take the lead in shaping our
                                      > discussions.
                                      Andrius I hope you will take this leadership role as
                                      > often as possible
                                      during the series. I was so impressed by the way
                                      > that you "brought
                                      people in" during the Webinar where you led the
                                      > content. To me it
                                      reflected that caring, inclusive and nurturing
                                      > approach which you
                                      demonstrate all the time within the lab. I believe
                                      > that it will be much
                                      easier for people to offer suggestions for
                                      > content for the series if
                                      they know that someone else will be
                                      > responsible for the group dynamics
                                      of any meeting which subsequently
                                      > covers that content. Even in a
                                      traditonal F2F (face to face)
                                      > presentation, where everyone is familiar
                                      with the format, there is
                                      > often a chairman mediating between the
                                      speaker and the questioners.
                                      > This series is much more complex and
                                      subtle in the kinds of
                                      > interactions we hope to enable, and i t is new
                                      to everyone. This is
                                      > why I want a communications leader as well as an
                                      information leader
                                      > (except, Andrius, that if you have to step in for
                                      Samwel regarding
                                      > informaion/content leadership, you would still be the
                                      best person for
                                      > the communication/ people-focussed leadership as
                                      well).
                                      >
                                      > ~ Regarding T for Technology - we don't need to arrange
                                      who does that.
                                      > We are safely in the hands of Asif and Jenny of
                                      Trainserspod regarding
                                      > the technology. Many of you already know Asif
                                      through LFEO and other
                                      > groups in the Minciu Sodas lab. Please be aware
                                      that when we do a
                                      > Webinar with Trainserspod we are doing it "at
                                      Trainerspod. "
                                      > Trainerspod is based in America and is a commercial
                                      company, able to
                                      > offer these Webinars thanks to sponsorship from
                                      Elluminate. ( i.e. We
                                      > do not e-meet for the Webinars "at LFEO in
                                      Andrius' lab" - it is a
                                      > differnet culture.) Asif has arranged for
                                      Trainerspod to collaborate
                                      > with us on this series of Webinars at no
                                      cost to any of us, and all
                                      > the information which we share will be
                                      recorded and will be freely
                                      > available for anyone to listen to, however
                                      there will be copyright
                                      > restrictions on anyone wishing to re-use it in
                                      for profit, as the
                                      > copyright will belong to Trainerspod (further
                                      details available on
                                      > request.) For someone like me, i.e. accustomed to
                                      a more informal
                                      > collaborative approach, based on simple trust and
                                      shared objectives,
                                      > this seemed initially very formal and legalistic.
                                      However I recognise
                                      > that different cultures have different ways and I
                                      do my best to fit in
                                      > with the culture of my host - even if I have
                                      e-arrived, via the
                                      > Internet, instead of travelling physically to a
                                      different country and
                                      > its culture.
                                      >
                                      > ~ Regarding D for
                                      Development - I am responsible for leading the
                                      > overall development of
                                      the series. I will also stand in for Andrius
                                      > when necessary regarding
                                      the communication leadership role.
                                      >
                                      > I look forward to meeting on
                                      June 7th at the Webinar.
                                      >
                                      > Pam
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > On
                                      28/05/07, *Andrius Kulikauskas* < ms@... <mailto:ms@...>> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Pamela, Asif and all,
                                      >
                                      > Yes, I will
                                      participate June 7th at Samwel Kongere's webinar and will
                                      > assist as
                                      needed, but especially if he can't lead it for some reason.
                                      >
                                      > I
                                      imagine that Samwel is very busy these days so I will suggest a
                                      > topic.
                                      Malaria is comparatively low on his interests. In order he
                                      > listed them
                                      as: Literacy, ICT, Africa regional network, Malaria
                                      > prevention,
                                      community websites, see
                                      >
                                      href="http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors">http://www.worknets .org/wiki. cgi?Endeavors
                                      >
                                      >
                                      I therefore suggest the following topic:
                                      >
                                      > "Lessons on the ground
                                      from African independent thinkers".
                                      >
                                      > Samwel Kongere shares
                                      conclusions from his work both online and on
                                      > the
                                      > ground in
                                      Africa:
                                      > * What does he find valuable or not from the online world
                                      of
                                      > Minciu Sodas?
                                      > * How are our values relevant or not on the
                                      ground in Kenya and
                                      > Africa?
                                      > * What approaches and values does he
                                      add to ours?
                                      > * What can we learn from him? and apply elsewhere in Kenya,
                                      Africa
                                      > and
                                      > around the world?
                                      > * What are his own
                                      priorities?
                                      > * What priorities does he suggest for an East African
                                      regional
                                      > network?
                                      > and for the world?
                                      > * What next steps
                                      might we all take?
                                      > And in particular:
                                      > * News from the eLearning
                                      Africa conference in Nairobi, Kenya
                                      > * What we might do together for
                                      literacy and learning?
                                      > * What would be an optimal combination of
                                      communication channels
                                      > for us
                                      > to seek for, that might include
                                      Internet access (high bandwidth
                                      > and low
                                      > bandwidth), publishing
                                      (video, audio, disks, books, sheets), as
                                      > well as
                                      > community
                                      radio, storytelling, theater, games and more?
                                      > * Who are people and
                                      groups that we should try to work with?
                                      >
                                      > And we will all jump in
                                      with our own perspectives, too! and all
                                      > subjects, include health, will
                                      have their turn.
                                      >
                                      > Asif, I suggest using the above for the
                                      invitations. Samwel can then
                                      > take the lead and modify as he is
                                      able.
                                      >
                                      > Hi Ibrahim, Thank you for writing! and I am glad that you
                                      will all
                                      > meet!
                                      > Also, I hope that in Kenya and Tanzania you might
                                      all discuss a
                                      > strategy
                                      > for ensuring that everybody has a
                                      computer and Internet access.
                                      > Should
                                      > we try to assemble
                                      computers? Resell flash drives? Experiment with
                                      > wireless Internet
                                      access? Organize Internet centers? Should we
                                      > work on
                                      > our own or
                                      can we work together with existing centers and initiatives?
                                      >
                                      > Yes,
                                      Janet is right, please find a person who might sign people up
                                      >
                                      for
                                      > Holistic Helping! and Samwel should sign up people for Mendenyo!
                                      Each
                                      > person might sign up people for one of our groups. That is very
                                      very
                                      > important!
                                      >
                                      > Andrius
                                      >
                                      > Andrius
                                      Kulikauskas
                                      > Minciu Sodas
                                      >
                                      href="mailto:ms%40ms.lt">ms@... <mailto:ms%40ms. lt>
                                      >
                                      href="http://www.ms.lt">http://www.ms. lt
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      Pamela McLean wrote:
                                      > > Ibrahim and Asif and everyone,
                                      > >
                                      > > Ibrahim - I am delighted that you are interested in
                                      Samwel's
                                      > Webinar.
                                      > > I hope you and Samwel will be able to
                                      meet so that he can tell
                                      > you all
                                      > > about it - but even if
                                      that is not possible you will still be
                                      > able to
                                      > > participate.
                                      All you need really is to be able to go online, and
                                      > > listen as well
                                      as watch. If you have a microphone so much the
                                      > better,
                                      > >
                                      because then you can speak to all the other participants. But a
                                      > >
                                      microphone is not essential. It is always possible to "say" what you
                                      > > want to say by typing into the text box. In fact Fred joined in
                                      last
                                      > > time even though he could not hear what was going on. He was
                                      able to
                                      > > join in the typed chat, and he could see the PowerPoint
                                      slides that
                                      > > were displayed, Sasha and others typed comments to Fred
                                      about
                                      > what was
                                      > > being said.
                                      > >
                                      > > We
                                      hope that gradually more of the members of our group who are in
                                      > >
                                      Africa will be able to overcome their difficulties with Internet
                                      > >
                                      access and join in Webinars as well as contributing to this group by
                                      > > email. If you have difficulty joining a Webinar please let us know
                                      > > the problem, because sometimes if we share problems then we can
                                      find
                                      > > solutions.
                                      > >
                                      > > Asif - Please will you
                                      post details for Ibrahim of exactly what the
                                      > > technical requirements
                                      are, and how people join.
                                      > >
                                      > > Ibrahim - I note that you
                                      are particularly interested in
                                      > participating
                                      > > in a Webinar
                                      about ICT. We definitely hope to have Webinars around
                                      > > that topic.
                                      The plan is to have a series of LearningFromEachOth er
                                      > > Webinars
                                      where we can join together to share our endeavours,
                                      > knowledge
                                      > > and questions about health and education.
                                      > >
                                      > > There
                                      will be an emphasis on ICT-enabled endeavours because ICT is
                                      > >
                                      important for communication, and communication is important for
                                      > >
                                      collaboration and collaboration helps us all to achieve more than we
                                      > > can achieve on our own.
                                      > >
                                      > > Let us use this group to
                                      exchange ideas and recognise shared
                                      > interests
                                      > > - and that
                                      sharing will help us to choose the topics for our
                                      > Webinars.
                                      > >
                                      > > Everyone - if you want to join the Webinars but you
                                      have
                                      > questions or
                                      > > difficulties please ask. I cannot promise
                                      that anyone will have the
                                      > > solution - but someone might. It is only
                                      by asking that we find out,
                                      > > and here at LearningFromEachOth er
                                      is the ideal place to share our
                                      > > questions.
                                      > >
                                      > > Pam
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > On 25/05/07, *ibrahim halkano*
                                      <ihalkano@yahoo. com
                                      >
                                      <mailto:ihalkano% 40yahoo.com>
                                      > > <mailto:
                                      href="mailto:ihalkano%40yahoo.com">ihalkano@yahoo. com <mailto:ihalkano% 40yahoo.com> >> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Hi,
                                      > > Samwel kindly find time to visit me when you
                                      come to Daressalaam.
                                      > > i would like to participating in the webinar
                                      you would be doing
                                      > > from here. i would also want to look into areas
                                      of interest in
                                      > > Information technology. I would then share
                                      experiences i had
                                      > > working with parastals in 5 countries in africa
                                      implementing an
                                      > > enterprise resource planing applications.
                                      > >
                                      > > best of regards
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      */Pamela McLean <pam@... <mailto:pam% 40cawd.net> <mailto:
                                      >
                                      href="mailto:pam%40cawd.net">pam@... <mailto:pam% 40cawd.net> >> /* wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Samwel wrote "We are leaving Nairobi on the 2ND June for
                                      > >
                                      Tanzania with Maria. We are going to find a away of doing
                                      > > a Webinar
                                      there on the 7Th if possible but if we can not
                                      > > do it, Andrius will
                                      take the lead".
                                      > >
                                      > > Hi Samwel and everyone
                                      > >
                                      > > I am very pleased that you - Samwel - are planning to
                                      do
                                      > > the Webinar from Tanzania.
                                      > >
                                      > > I imagine,
                                      from some earlier information exchanges that
                                      > > you will focus on
                                      health issues, especially malaria. Is
                                      > > that correct? It will help if
                                      you can quickly list your
                                      > > concerns ref malaria for us here. Then if
                                      you have any
                                      > > problems linking up at the start of the Webinar we
                                      will
                                      > > be able to include your concerns in the discussions.
                                      If
                                      > > you have any urls to share as well, or photos please
                                      send
                                      > > them too - but not essential.
                                      > >
                                      > > I
                                      imagine that you will be far too busy to think about the
                                      > > Webinar
                                      during the e-learning conference - and waiting
                                      > > until afterwards
                                      would be leaving it too late. Please send
                                      > > your reply as soon as you
                                      can.
                                      > >
                                      > > We will need to start inviting other people to
                                      your
                                      > > Webinar as soon as possible. People need time to plan
                                      if
                                      > > they are going to be able to attend, and I think a good
                                      > > number of people could be interested. (Even if we would be
                                      > >
                                      happy with quite a small discussion, we still need to
                                      > > build the
                                      numbers.)
                                      > >
                                      > > Numbers are important because Asif is only
                                      able to offer a
                                      > > series of Webinars to us if Elluminate (the
                                      sponsor) sees
                                      > > that the number of participants is steadily
                                      increasing.
                                      > >
                                      > > I hope we will have a Webinar series
                                      addressing various
                                      > > concerns related to education and health, It is
                                      great to
                                      > > have this opportunity. I am excited that we are
                                      have
                                      > > started to build a small, but growing, team of people
                                      who
                                      > > are signing in to Webinars, finding out what happens,
                                      and
                                      > > becoming willing to take an increasingly active role. I
                                      > > hope this will keep growing.
                                      > >
                                      > > Please everyone
                                      spread the word. Through the Webinars,
                                      > > people who have shared
                                      interests but very different
                                      > > perspectives, can come together to
                                      discuss issues (using
                                      > > text and voice) while sharing information
                                      such as photos,
                                      > > diagrams, websites and other images on the
                                      inter-active
                                      > > whiteboard. It can seem a bit strange at first - at
                                      least
                                      > > I found it so - but then, I do not like learning new
                                      > > techie things and I found emails and yahoo lists strange
                                      > > and
                                      intimidating at first. Now I am happy with yahoo lists
                                      > > and also
                                      happy with Webinars. Please let people know that
                                      > > if they come to a
                                      Webinar for the first time other people
                                      > > will be ready to help them
                                      feel welcome. New people can
                                      > > simply watch and listen until they
                                      feel ready to do more.
                                      > > We are there to Learn From Each Other - each
                                      at our own
                                      > > pace - to share what we know - and to gradually
                                      develop
                                      > > new knowledge and understanding.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      I look forward to meeting at the Webinar on June 7th.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      Pam
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Kindest Regards,
                                      > >
                                      > > Ibrahim Halkano A
                                      > >
                                      Oracle Functional Consultant
                                      > > Vesl Technologies Limited
                                      > >
                                      JM MALL Building, Samora Avenue
                                      > > Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania
                                      > >
                                      Tel: +255-22-2135336
                                      > > Fax:+255-22- 2135428
                                      > >
                                      Cell:+255-784- 493775
                                      > > Website: www.vesltech. com <
                                      href="http://www.vesltech.com">http://www.vesltech .com> <
                                      >
                                      http://www.vesltech .com/>
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >

                                    • Andrius Kulikauskas
                                      Asif, Thank you for your very considerate letter and appreciation of our Minciu Sodas laboratory. I am very glad for our work together. I appreciate your good
                                      Message 18 of 22 , Jun 1, 2007
                                        Asif,

                                        Thank you for your very considerate letter and appreciation of our
                                        Minciu Sodas laboratory.

                                        I am very glad for our work together. I appreciate your good heart,
                                        good spirit, good energy and your dedication. You have many
                                        wonderful endeavors. I will work so that ours might overlap wherever
                                        possible. Our culture is evolving and I expect our situations will
                                        evolve, too.

                                        Samwel, Agnese, if you like, then we can attempt a chat on June 7th
                                        along with a Skype call. You might decide when you are in Tanzania if
                                        that makes sense. Please let us know and we can improvise. I am sure
                                        you are very busy and I am excited for your travels. Yet perhaps this
                                        would be an opporunity to experiment with chat and phone. We might try
                                        this with Pamela and Asif and all to see what is possible (or not) at
                                        those times when we don't have access to Elluminate.

                                        Andrius

                                        Andrius Kulikauskas
                                        Minciu Sodas
                                        http://www.ms.lt
                                        ms@...
                                        +370 (699) 30003
                                        Vilnius, Lithuania

                                        asif.daya@... wrote:
                                        > Andrius:
                                        >
                                        > First I must say I respect the way your lab does work and remains in
                                        > the Public Domain. I wish I could. However, I am unable to do so as
                                        > TrainersPod is owned by another company that has a Board of Directors
                                        > that look at it as a business model looking for grants and
                                        > sponsorships and hence prefers to have it in the Non-Public-Domain.
                                        > However, People can visit the site and everything is FREE for them to
                                        > use but not to copy or sell. They can even download the Webinars to
                                        > hear them. Infact we plan to make them available on mobiles. So we are
                                        > not closed to the Public - just our products are restricted for
                                        > resale. I made an exception for you when you spoke at Trainerspod
                                        > Webinar, because Pamela insisted that I invite you, but you would only
                                        > do it in the Public Domain with some restriction for TrainersPod that
                                        > we agreed upon. It was a good Webinar and I hope you will continue to
                                        > participate. Working in your group you can keep things in the Public
                                        > Domain, but sometimes having to work with another group, you can't
                                        > really force them to go that way, since it's not part of their
                                        > culture, but you should still be able to work with them, since your
                                        > goals and theirs are the same - to help the people of Africa. We do
                                        > not have divergent missions or goals, just a different culture of
                                        > doing things and as I respect yours, I hope you would do the same for
                                        > mine. I hope to see more of you in the Webinars.
                                        >
                                        > BTW, the Webinar on the 7th of June was discussed this a.m. between
                                        > Pamela and I and since we were not clear what was going to happen, we
                                        > cancelled that and scheduled others for the entire year. That is not a
                                        > reflection of you. Just the logistics of having everything coming to a
                                        > census within such a short time frame.
                                        >
                                        > Kind Regards,
                                        >
                                        > Asif
                                        >
                                        > http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS
                                        > http://www.trainerspod.com/community
                                        > http://www.trainerspod.com/info
                                        >
                                        >
                                      • asif.daya@trainerspod.com
                                        Andrius: Pamela and I discussed the Webinar on Wednesday and we decided to cancel it since we were not sure where things stood. We have chosen other possible
                                        Message 19 of 22 , Jun 1, 2007
                                          Andrius:

                                          Pamela and I discussed the Webinar on Wednesday and we decided to cancel it since we were not sure where things stood. We have chosen other possible dates and those could be dedicated to Samwel and you. I also wrote to Samwel so he would know. I don't want to cause a confusion by changing it again - you know what I mean?
                                           
                                          Asif
                                           
                                           
                                           


                                          From: learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com [mailto:learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrius Kulikauskas
                                          Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:36 PM
                                          To: learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [learningfromeachother] Re: Samwel' s June 7th Webinar

                                          Asif,

                                          Thank you for your very considerate letter and appreciation of our
                                          Minciu Sodas laboratory.

                                          I am very glad for our work together. I appreciate your good heart,
                                          good spirit, good energy and your dedication. You have many
                                          wonderful endeavors. I will work so that ours might overlap wherever
                                          possible. Our culture is evolving and I expect our situations will
                                          evolve, too.

                                          Samwel, Agnese, if you like, then we can attempt a chat on June 7th
                                          along with a Skype call. You might decide when you are in Tanzania if
                                          that makes sense. Please let us know and we can improvise. I am sure
                                          you are very busy and I am excited for your travels. Yet perhaps this
                                          would be an opporunity to experiment with chat and phone. We might try
                                          this with Pamela and Asif and all to see what is possible (or not) at
                                          those times when we don't have access to Elluminate.

                                          Andrius

                                          Andrius Kulikauskas
                                          Minciu Sodas
                                          http://www.ms. lt
                                          ms@...
                                          +370 (699) 30003
                                          Vilnius, Lithuania

                                          asif.daya@trainersp od.com wrote:

                                          > Andrius:
                                          >
                                          > First I must say I respect the way your
                                          lab does work and remains in
                                          > the Public Domain. I wish I could.
                                          However, I am unable to do so as
                                          > TrainersPod is owned by another
                                          company that has a Board of Directors
                                          > that look at it as a business
                                          model looking for grants and
                                          > sponsorships and hence prefers to have it
                                          in the Non-Public-Domain.
                                          > However, People can visit the site and
                                          everything is FREE for them to
                                          > use but not to copy or sell. They can
                                          even download the Webinars to
                                          > hear them. Infact we plan to make them
                                          available on mobiles. So we are
                                          > not closed to the Public - just our
                                          products are restricted for
                                          > resale. I made an exception for you when
                                          you spoke at Trainerspod
                                          > Webinar, because Pamela insisted that I invite
                                          you, but you would only
                                          > do it in the Public Domain with some
                                          restriction for TrainersPod that
                                          > we agreed upon. It was a good Webinar
                                          and I hope you will continue to
                                          > participate. Working in your group you
                                          can keep things in the Public
                                          > Domain, but sometimes having to work with
                                          another group, you can't
                                          > really force them to go that way, since it's
                                          not part of their
                                          > culture, but you should still be able to work with
                                          them, since your
                                          > goals and theirs are the same - to help the people of
                                          Africa. We do
                                          > not have divergent missions or goals, just a different
                                          culture of
                                          > doing things and as I respect yours, I hope you would do the
                                          same for
                                          > mine. I hope to see more of you in the Webinars.
                                          >
                                          > BTW, the Webinar on the 7th of June was discussed this a.m. between
                                          > Pamela and I and since we were not clear what was going to happen, we
                                          > cancelled that and scheduled others for the entire year. That is not a
                                          > reflection of you. Just the logistics of having everything coming to a
                                          > census within such a short time frame.
                                          >
                                          > Kind
                                          Regards,
                                          >
                                          > Asif
                                          >
                                          >
                                          href="http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS">http://www.trainers pod.com/CMS
                                          >
                                          http://www.trainers pod.com/communit y
                                          >
                                          http://www.trainers pod.com/info
                                          >
                                          >

                                        • asif.daya@trainerspod.com
                                          Andrius: Thank you for your fine letter of support. I am sure we will find ways to work together - after all we have the same goals and mission. Something as
                                          Message 20 of 22 , Jun 1, 2007
                                            Andrius:

                                            Thank you for your fine letter of support. I am sure we will find ways to work together - after all we have the same goals and mission. Something as domain accessibility should not come in the way, rather help us understand each other more. I am sure it is something that other countries in Africa contemplate too - as to which is better and why.
                                             
                                            Asif
                                             
                                             
                                             


                                            From: learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com [mailto:learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrius Kulikauskas
                                            Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:36 PM
                                            To: learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: [learningfromeachother] Re: Samwel' s June 7th Webinar

                                            Asif,

                                            Thank you for your very considerate letter and appreciation of our
                                            Minciu Sodas laboratory.

                                            I am very glad for our work together. I appreciate your good heart,
                                            good spirit, good energy and your dedication. You have many
                                            wonderful endeavors. I will work so that ours might overlap wherever
                                            possible. Our culture is evolving and I expect our situations will
                                            evolve, too.

                                            Samwel, Agnese, if you like, then we can attempt a chat on June 7th
                                            along with a Skype call. You might decide when you are in Tanzania if
                                            that makes sense. Please let us know and we can improvise. I am sure
                                            you are very busy and I am excited for your travels. Yet perhaps this
                                            would be an opporunity to experiment with chat and phone. We might try
                                            this with Pamela and Asif and all to see what is possible (or not) at
                                            those times when we don't have access to Elluminate.

                                            Andrius

                                            Andrius Kulikauskas
                                            Minciu Sodas
                                            http://www.ms. lt
                                            ms@...
                                            +370 (699) 30003
                                            Vilnius, Lithuania

                                            asif.daya@trainersp od.com wrote:

                                            > Andrius:
                                            >
                                            > First I must say I respect the way your
                                            lab does work and remains in
                                            > the Public Domain. I wish I could.
                                            However, I am unable to do so as
                                            > TrainersPod is owned by another
                                            company that has a Board of Directors
                                            > that look at it as a business
                                            model looking for grants and
                                            > sponsorships and hence prefers to have it
                                            in the Non-Public-Domain.
                                            > However, People can visit the site and
                                            everything is FREE for them to
                                            > use but not to copy or sell. They can
                                            even download the Webinars to
                                            > hear them. Infact we plan to make them
                                            available on mobiles. So we are
                                            > not closed to the Public - just our
                                            products are restricted for
                                            > resale. I made an exception for you when
                                            you spoke at Trainerspod
                                            > Webinar, because Pamela insisted that I invite
                                            you, but you would only
                                            > do it in the Public Domain with some
                                            restriction for TrainersPod that
                                            > we agreed upon. It was a good Webinar
                                            and I hope you will continue to
                                            > participate. Working in your group you
                                            can keep things in the Public
                                            > Domain, but sometimes having to work with
                                            another group, you can't
                                            > really force them to go that way, since it's
                                            not part of their
                                            > culture, but you should still be able to work with
                                            them, since your
                                            > goals and theirs are the same - to help the people of
                                            Africa. We do
                                            > not have divergent missions or goals, just a different
                                            culture of
                                            > doing things and as I respect yours, I hope you would do the
                                            same for
                                            > mine. I hope to see more of you in the Webinars.
                                            >
                                            > BTW, the Webinar on the 7th of June was discussed this a.m. between
                                            > Pamela and I and since we were not clear what was going to happen, we
                                            > cancelled that and scheduled others for the entire year. That is not a
                                            > reflection of you. Just the logistics of having everything coming to a
                                            > census within such a short time frame.
                                            >
                                            > Kind
                                            Regards,
                                            >
                                            > Asif
                                            >
                                            >
                                            href="http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS">http://www.trainers pod.com/CMS
                                            >
                                            http://www.trainers pod.com/communit y
                                            >
                                            http://www.trainers pod.com/info
                                            >
                                            >

                                          • Maria Agnese Giraudo
                                            Dear Asif, Andrius, Pam and all Samwel is very concern of the arrangement of the seminar and I ll do my best. The most serious problem should be power
                                            Message 21 of 22 , Jun 2, 2007
                                              Dear Asif, Andrius, Pam and all
                                              Samwel is very concern of the  arrangement of the seminar and I'll do my best. The most serious problem should be power blackout that is frequent in Dar es Salaam. In that case not all Intenet points have generators. We'll arrange in advance our appointment. 
                                              We are leaving tomorrow and arrive there on Monday 4th.
                                              Greetings
                                              Maria Agnese

                                              asif.daya@... ha scritto:
                                              Andrius:

                                              Thank you for your fine letter of support. I am sure we will find ways to work together - after all we have the same goals and mission. Something as domain accessibility should not come in the way, rather help us understand each other more. I am sure it is something that other countries in Africa contemplate too - as to which is better and why.
                                               
                                              Asif
                                               
                                               
                                               


                                              From: learningfromeachoth er@yahoogroups. com [mailto:learningfro meachother@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Andrius Kulikauskas
                                              Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:36 PM
                                              To: learningfromeachoth er@yahoogroups. com
                                              Subject: [learningfromeachot her] Re: Samwel' s June 7th Webinar

                                              Asif,

                                              Thank you for your very considerate letter and appreciation of our
                                              Minciu Sodas laboratory.

                                              I am very glad for our work together. I appreciate your good heart,
                                              good spirit, good energy and your dedication. You have many
                                              wonderful endeavors. I will work so that ours might overlap wherever
                                              possible. Our culture is evolving and I expect our situations will
                                              evolve, too.

                                              Samwel, Agnese, if you like, then we can attempt a chat on June 7th
                                              along with a Skype call. You might decide when you are in Tanzania if
                                              that makes sense. Please let us know and we can improvise. I am sure
                                              you are very busy and I am excited for your travels. Yet perhaps this
                                              would be an opporunity to experiment with chat and phone. We might try
                                              this with Pamela and Asif and all to see what is possible (or not) at
                                              those times when we don't have access to Elluminate.

                                              Andrius

                                              Andrius Kulikauskas
                                              Minciu Sodas
                                              http://www.ms. lt
                                              ms@...
                                              +370 (699) 30003
                                              Vilnius, Lithuania

                                              asif.daya@trainersp od.com wrote:
                                              > Andrius:
                                              >
                                              > First I must say I respect the way your lab does work and remains in
                                              > the Public Domain. I wish I could. However, I am unable to do so as
                                              > TrainersPod is owned by another company that has a Board of Directors
                                              > that look at it as a business model looking for grants and
                                              > sponsorships and hence prefers to have it in the Non-Public-Domain.
                                              > However, People can visit the site and everything is FREE for them to
                                              > use but not to copy or sell. They can even download the Webinars to
                                              > hear them. Infact we plan to make them available on mobiles. So we are
                                              > not closed to the Public - just our products are restricted for
                                              > resale. I made an exception for you when you spoke at Trainerspod
                                              > Webinar, because Pamela insisted that I invite you, but you would only
                                              > do it in the Public Domain with some restriction for TrainersPod that
                                              > we agreed upon. It was a good Webinar and I hope you will continue to
                                              > participate. Working in your group you can keep things in the Public
                                              > Domain, but sometimes having to work with another group, you can't
                                              > really force them to go that way, since it's not part of their
                                              > culture, but you should still be able to work with them, since your
                                              > goals and theirs are the same - to help the people of Africa. We do
                                              > not have divergent missions or goals, just a different culture of
                                              > doing things and as I respect yours, I hope you would do the same for
                                              > mine. I hope to see more of you in the Webinars.
                                              >
                                              > BTW, the Webinar on the 7th of June was discussed this a.m. between
                                              > Pamela and I and since we were not clear what was going to happen, we
                                              > cancelled that and scheduled others for the entire year. That is not a
                                              > reflection of you. Just the logistics of having everything coming to a
                                              > census within such a short time frame.
                                              >
                                              > Kind Regards,
                                              >
                                              > Asif
                                              >
                                              > http://www.trainers pod.com/CMS
                                              > http://www.trainers pod.com/communit y
                                              > http://www.trainers pod.com/info
                                              >
                                              >




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                                            • Pamela McLean
                                              Everyone. It is a great idea that we experiment with chat and Skype with Samwel for his seminar. That will be a good next step after emailing each other. It
                                              Message 22 of 22 , Jun 2, 2007
                                                Everyone.

                                                It is a great idea that we experiment with chat and Skype with Samwel for his seminar.

                                                That will be a good "next step" after emailing each other. It is well timed so soon after the e-learning conference where various people had a chance to meet face-to-face. . Sometimes it is easier for people to meet online if they have already met face to face. I hope we  will build a community that is "comfortable" meeting online in "real time". WIth chat we have real time - and with Skype we can add voice - it is a good next step. This way Samwel need not worry if there is a power outage, because it will be a "meeting amongst friends" and everyone will understand the problems.

                                                I look forward to our meeting. There will also be Trainerspod Webinars, starting in July. I will write more about that separately, For now I simply want to encourage us to continue to keep our diaries free ready for meeting with Samwel.

                                                Andrius, please will you host this at your chat room, and give us all instructions for how to join you there.

                                                Pam



                                                On 02/06/07, Maria Agnese Giraudo <mariaagnesegiraudo@...> wrote:

                                                Dear Asif, Andrius, Pam and all
                                                Samwel is very concern of the  arrangement of the seminar and I'll do my best. The most serious problem should be power blackout that is frequent in Dar es Salaam. In that case not all Intenet points have generators. We'll arrange in advance our appointment. 
                                                We are leaving tomorrow and arrive there on Monday 4th.
                                                Greetings
                                                Maria Agnese

                                                asif.daya@trainerspod.com ha scritto:

                                                Andrius:

                                                Thank you for your fine letter of support. I am sure we will find ways to work together - after all we have the same goals and mission. Something as domain accessibility should not come in the way, rather help us understand each other more. I am sure it is something that other countries in Africa contemplate too - as to which is better and why.
                                                 
                                                Asif
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 


                                                From: learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com [mailto:learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrius Kulikauskas
                                                Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:36 PM
                                                To: learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com
                                                Subject: [learningfromeachother] Re: Samwel' s June 7th Webinar

                                                Asif,

                                                Thank you for your very considerate letter and appreciation of our
                                                Minciu Sodas laboratory.

                                                I am very glad for our work together. I appreciate your good heart,
                                                good spirit, good energy and your dedication. You have many
                                                wonderful endeavors. I will work so that ours might overlap wherever
                                                possible. Our culture is evolving and I expect our situations will
                                                evolve, too.

                                                Samwel, Agnese, if you like, then we can attempt a chat on June 7th
                                                along with a Skype call. You might decide when you are in Tanzania if
                                                that makes sense. Please let us know and we can improvise. I am sure
                                                you are very busy and I am excited for your travels. Yet perhaps this
                                                would be an opporunity to experiment with chat and phone. We might try
                                                this with Pamela and Asif and all to see what is possible (or not) at
                                                those times when we don't have access to Elluminate.

                                                Andrius

                                                Andrius Kulikauskas
                                                Minciu Sodas
                                                http://www.ms.lt
                                                ms@...
                                                +370 (699) 30003
                                                Vilnius, Lithuania

                                                asif.daya@... wrote:
                                                > Andrius:
                                                >
                                                > First I must say I respect the way your lab does work and remains in
                                                > the Public Domain. I wish I could. However, I am unable to do so as
                                                > TrainersPod is owned by another company that has a Board of Directors
                                                > that look at it as a business model looking for grants and
                                                > sponsorships and hence prefers to have it in the Non-Public-Domain.
                                                > However, People can visit the site and everything is FREE for them to
                                                > use but not to copy or sell. They can even download the Webinars to
                                                > hear them. Infact we plan to make them available on mobiles. So we are
                                                > not closed to the Public - just our products are restricted for
                                                > resale. I made an exception for you when you spoke at Trainerspod
                                                > Webinar, because Pamela insisted that I invite you, but you would only
                                                > do it in the Public Domain with some restriction for TrainersPod that
                                                > we agreed upon. It was a good Webinar and I hope you will continue to
                                                > participate. Working in your group you can keep things in the Public
                                                > Domain, but sometimes having to work with another group, you can't
                                                > really force them to go that way, since it's not part of their
                                                > culture, but you should still be able to work with them, since your
                                                > goals and theirs are the same - to help the people of Africa. We do
                                                > not have divergent missions or goals, just a different culture of
                                                > doing things and as I respect yours, I hope you would do the same for
                                                > mine. I hope to see more of you in the Webinars.
                                                >
                                                > BTW, the Webinar on the 7th of June was discussed this a.m. between
                                                > Pamela and I and since we were not clear what was going to happen, we
                                                > cancelled that and scheduled others for the entire year. That is not a
                                                > reflection of you. Just the logistics of having everything coming to a
                                                > census within such a short time frame.
                                                >
                                                > Kind Regards,
                                                >
                                                > Asif
                                                >
                                                > http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS
                                                > http://www.trainerspod.com/community
                                                > http://www.trainerspod.com/info
                                                >
                                                >




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