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    Pamela, Thank you for chatting with me and allowing me to share it below. Our worknets wiki archive is now back up, see for example:
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      Pamela,

      Thank you for chatting with me and allowing me to share it below. Our
      worknets wiki archive is now back up, see for example:
      http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?PamelaMcLean

      I'm currently organizing a "learning club" here in Chicago where
      participants pay $50 per month per family. The first month is free, and I
      try to make sure that everybody who wants to can participate.

      I'd like to do an online version with email groups, wiki, chat, Skype,
      much like Minciu Sodas. I'm interested to try that out with you and
      Dadamac in Africa, UK, US, Lithuania and around the world.

      I'm focusing especially on Math, but also Computers, Web Design, English,
      Chess, Art and other subjects. I'm currently going through the basic Math
      curricula and thinking through learning materials by which I might share
      the deep ideas and classic problems. Here are my notes for my "learning
      canvas" that I'm creating:
      http://www.selflearners.net/Math/DeepIdeas
      such as dials for counting, see the pictures:
      http://www.selflearners.net/Math/Dials

      I'm also interested in supporting our investigations, especially with
      "ways of figuring things out". For example, I have from earlier your
      question, "How can we get people to take ownership of their learning
      journeys?" (Is that still your question?) I aspire to help you and others
      think through, how you might investigate such questions. My own question
      now is, "How can a culture have us 'be one'? especially a culture of
      learning, growing, living forever here and now".

      I've created an interface to link up such questions with our "ways of
      figuring things out": http://www.selflearners.net/ask/

      I look forward to thinking how we might work together. I share our chat.

      Andrius

      Andrius Kulikauskas, ms@..., http://www.selflearners.net, +1 (773) 306-3807

      [14:36:48 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: Hi Pamela, how are you?
      [14:39:50 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: I'm curious what you're up to? What
      overlap there might be between our work? (I'm focusing on math education
      and also philosophical investigation) Is there any work that I might do
      for you?
      [14:42:13 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: Overall, I'm working here locally in
      Chicago on my "learning club", supporting independent learning.
      [14:43:37 CDT] Pamela: hi
      [14:44:03 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: hi
      [14:44:06 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: how are you?
      [14:44:34 CDT] Pamela: ok thanks
      [14:45:08 CDT] Pamela: going to connected communities symposium next week.
      [14:45:34 CDT] Pamela: so preparing presentation for that
      [14:45:45 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: ok
      [14:45:47 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: in London?
      [14:47:06 CDT] Pamela:
      http://www.dadamac.net/event/connected-communities-symposium
      [14:47:42 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: Newcastle
      [14:47:46 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: best wishes to you
      [14:50:02 CDT] Pamela: thanks - its the start of doing soem things in UK -
      not having all focus on John's work
      [14:50:27 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: yes that makes sense
      [14:50:34 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: just as he has local work in Nigeria
      [14:50:58 CDT] Pamela: still working closely with John but ... ideas we
      had ref bringing paid work closer to the stuff we do together is taking
      too long to bear fruit
      [14:51:15 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: it's a great challenge in your field,
      I think
      [14:51:28 CDT] Pamela: his "local work" ref Fantuam Foundation does not
      earn him money
      [14:52:35 CDT] Pamela: hmm - will this be a convesation just beween us or
      will you wnat to sharing all of it afterwards?
      [14:53:48 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: just between us is fine
      [14:55:59 CDT] Pamela: "Why Dadamac? - Dadamac - the Internet-enabled
      alternative to top-down development "
      http://dadamac.posterous.com/dadamac-the-internet-enabled-alternative-to-t
      [14:57:05 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: thanks
      [14:57:32 CDT] Pamela: This was our hope - but it was rather
      over-optimistic and unrealistic.
      [14:58:02 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: hmm
      [14:58:24 CDT] Pamela: dadamac.net was (and is) part of our work to raise
      visibility
      [14:58:27 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: I'm glad you've tried and are trying
      [14:58:39 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: it is an important mission
      [14:58:48 CDT] Pamela: it was/is also an experiment in generating
      information and seeing how it flows
      [14:59:01 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: yes
      [15:00:11 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: Pam, did you ever teach math?
      [15:00:21 CDT] Pamela: I think in many ways you adn i are exerimenting
      with the same ideas - to do with the interface between paid-job and
      valuable information-generation-and sharing-work
      [15:01:01 CDT] Pamela: only primary - i still do a tiny bit
      [15:01:10 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: Think if math education might be
      relevant. The math curriculum around the world is fundamentally bad.
      [15:01:35 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: I have all kinds of ideas that are
      quite different and that it would be great to try out in different
      cultures.
      [15:01:46 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: And they don't cost anything more than
      paper and pencil.
      [15:01:52 CDT] Pamela: Agreed - but it is not my focus at present
      [15:02:09 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: I'm just thinking that it's a subject
      matter which
      [15:02:21 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: is easy to share through your
      technologies
      [15:02:27 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: and doesn't require any investments
      [15:02:31 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: or even applications.
      [15:02:40 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: It's meaningful just to learn math.
      [15:02:58 CDT] Pamela: I'm focusing on a response to the number of people
      being made redundant
      [15:03:24 CDT] Pamela: it was triggered by TV programme called finished at
      fifty
      [15:04:10 CDT] Pamela: unlike my work in UK-Africa connections this one
      seems to make sense to people and I am being encouraged to make ti happen
      [15:04:35 CDT] Pamela: bu ttell me more aout your maths idea
      [15:04:59 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: Maybe I'll write something in a few weeks
      [15:05:07 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: overall I'm organizing a Learning Club
      [15:05:14 CDT] Pamela: it is just that i cannot really get invovled myself
      with anything new for a while
      [15:05:14 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: where people pay for coaching
      [15:05:30 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: $50 per month per family
      [15:05:32 CDT] Pamela: I saw that - i like the idea of a learnin gclub
      [15:05:35 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: so I'm looking for about 20 families
      [15:05:42 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: instead of tutoring by the hour.
      [15:05:51 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: Much interest is in math.
      [15:06:03 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: And I'm using my art skills to create
      learning materials, like learning canvases.
      [15:06:15 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: And I'm reviewing and identifying the
      deep ideas in math.
      [15:06:24 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: Let me upload a picture.
      [15:06:31 CDT] Pamela: i saw you in your learning cloak
      [15:09:03 CDT] * Andrius Kulikauskas nusiuntÄ— failÄ… "dials.JPG"
      [15:09:07 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: great!
      [15:09:10 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: here's my file
      [15:09:21 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: I'm creating such a canvas for all of
      basic Math
      [15:09:24 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: and here is a part of it
      [15:09:35 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: it consists of "dials" for counting
      [15:09:49 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: a bit like an odometer, but you have
      to turn it yourself
      [15:10:10 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: a "decimal" dial lets you count from
      0, 1, 2, 3, ... to 9
      [15:10:16 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: and then you go round again
      [15:10:32 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: and each time you go round you move
      the dial to the left
      [15:10:42 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: which is the usual counting
      [15:10:49 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: although many people never get a grasp
      of it
      [15:10:56 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: how to count past 100 or 1,000
      [15:11:44 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: But you can also have dials for
      counting by 2's
      [15:11:50 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: or by 3's, 4's or 5's etc.
      [15:11:58 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: you can have dials for counting by 1/2 's
      [15:12:05 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: and for "binary" counting 0,1
      [15:12:10 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: all manner of counting.
      [15:12:20 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: People are finding it very helpful for
      learning
      [15:12:26 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: and it's something that we can teach
      [15:12:29 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: in different cultures
      [15:12:38 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: including for people who want to
      improve their employability.
      [15:12:50 CDT] Pamela: it sounds fun
      [15:12:59 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: yes and I have many tools/games like that
      [15:13:05 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: so I'm hoping it works out
      [15:13:10 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: please think if it might be relevant
      [15:13:24 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: also if you yourself might like a
      "learning coach" or be part of a "learning club"
      [15:13:28 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: it would start out free
      [15:13:36 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: it could be an online version
      [15:13:46 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: and it would partly focus on our
      investigative questions
      [15:13:53 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: that's how I imagine it, at least
      [15:14:09 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: I'd like to show that I can make a
      modest living from a "learning club"
      [15:14:13 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: because I believe that it's honest work
      [15:14:19 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: and then thousands might likewise
      [15:14:24 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: and we could foster a culture
      [15:15:05 CDT] Pamela: hmm - that is interesting idea... kind of
      re-emergence of older minciu sodas ideas i thunk
      [15:15:22 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: yes
      [15:16:19 CDT] Pamela: learner centred learning is what the formal sysem
      is beginning to focus on much more it seems
      [15:17:08 CDT] Pamela: there is recognition that people are impatient with
      old ways ... and access to ineternet is altering access to knowledge...
      [15:17:23 CDT] Pamela: and so HE has to rethink in many ways
      [15:17:43 CDT] Pamela: especially in UK .. with gov cuts etc.
      [15:17:49 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: yes
      [15:18:55 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: so a good place to start
      [15:19:00 CDT] Pamela: e.g. announcement i saw today -
      [15:19:03 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: would be if there's anything relevant
      to your own learning
      [15:19:12 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: especially in math or web design
      [15:19:24 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: or computers, programming, etc.
      [15:19:28 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: technology
      [15:19:37 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: or social questions
      [15:19:58 CDT] Pamela: ref - in math or web design
      9:19
      or computers, programming, etc.
      9:19
      technology -
      [15:20:16 CDT] Pamela: I have been interested but not something I am
      pursuing at present
      [15:20:35 CDT] Pamela: ref - or social questions - yes that is much more
      my focus now
      [15:20:46 CDT] Pamela: emerging systems
      [15:21:00 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: is there a question that you don't
      know the answer to, but wish to answer?
      [15:21:02 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: :)
      [15:21:18 CDT] Pamela: patterns of education, work ... etc
      [15:22:31 CDT] Pamela: hmm - i'm stll investigating my original LFEO one
      .. but from additional perspectives
      [15:22:42 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: how would you state it?
      [15:23:39 CDT] Pamela: hmm - not easy to say - that is a bit like defining
      the title for a doctorate i think
      [15:24:06 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: Please give it a try!
      [15:24:11 CDT] Pamela: i think it keeps changing slightly as you learn
      more about it
      [15:24:14 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: Also, I tried to send you a file
      [15:24:20 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: that's fine
      [15:24:40 CDT] Pamela: sorry I'll go back adn see if I can still accespt it
      [15:24:51 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: I put the worknets back up again
      [15:25:36 CDT] Pamela: that is good -
      [15:25:48 CDT] Pamela: ah hmm - is that the wiki or the chat room?
      [15:25:53 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: the wiki
      [15:26:00 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: the chat room is closed
      [15:26:11 CDT] Pamela: wiki - that is good - there was so much good stuff
      there
      [15:26:14 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: if we did an online learning club I
      could set up some tings again
      [15:26:22 CDT] Andrius Kulikauskas: I'll put up the chat archive at some
      point
      [15:26:49 CDT] Pamela: maybe there would be some overlap with stuff we're
      doign in dadamac.
      [15:27:28 CDT] Pamela: i want to help people to do more to becoame
      visible... to develop adn display theri digitla foot print of owrk they
      have done
      [15:27:28 CDT] Pamela: i want to help people to do more to becoame
      visible... to develop adn display theri digitla foot print of owrk they
      have done
      [15:27:43 CDT] Pamela: a bit like I have done already for John at
      dadamac,net - http://www.dadamac.net
      [15:28:02 CDT] Pamela: but for other people with their independent work
      [15:29:39 CDT] Pamela: at the very least I guess we shold look at how we
      cross reference stuff
      [15:30:06 CDT] Pamela: and help to drive traffic beween the two sites
      [15:30:31 CDT] Pamela: we will talk more about this
      [15:34:04 CDT] Pamela: i think there may well be something we could do
      about online learning clubs together if we toss ideas back and forth for a
      while
      [15:43:37 CDT] Pamela: BTW - I have checked back over our chat - it did
      not get privae or personal so if you want to share any of the above with
      anyone else you are welcome to do so.
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