Employment for mathematicians (was Re: [learningfromeachother] Re: Please help Andrius think of rewards for crowdfunders!)
- On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 14:30, <ms@...> wrote:
> Hi Edward,I can suggest a few other experiences for you that might surprise you.
> I do have a Ph.D. and could teach at a college or university.
> * My original reason for not teaching at one is that it is a very
> sheltered life and thus not a good environment for learning about
> life. I've seen a lot of life and so maybe that is not so relevant now.
> * Another reason for not teaching is that, in mathematics, the entireThat was not at all my experience at Yale, where admittedly I hung out
> field is disingenuous. The primary purpose of college math is to make
> a certain percentage of people feel incompetent, give up and fail so
> as to reduce the amount of people entering engineering, medicine,
with the top math students.
> There are practically no jobs for Math Ph.D.'s except for beingThis turns out not to be the case. Math Ph.D.'s are in great demand as
> a college professor and training more Math Ph.D.'s
actuaries (like my father), on Wall Street, in Computer Science, in
cryptography, in statistical analysis such as design of experiments in
biology generally and medicine more specifically, and in many other
areas. I can introduce you to several people employed in such ways,
and tell you how to find many more.
> MathematicsAgain, I find that this is not the case, but that students and
> education in university, high school, grade school is completely
> unintuitive and barbaric. There is no real interest by students or
> teachers to have a humane system.
teachers have learned to hide their aspirations for real learning, as
I often did myself. That is why I am entirely devoted to creating such
a real, humane system in my Sugar Labs project.
> * My passion to "know everything" or to document and share "ways ofAlso not the case. Inter-disciplinary studies are all the rage. You
> figuring things out" can't be pursued in the academic world. There
> are no academics pursuing such questions, no peer-reviewed journals
> for them. In philosophy, there is no allowance that one might find
> absolute answers.
might have to look for an organization like the early Buckminster
Fuller Institute, or the early Doug Engelbart lab at SRI. There still
are some. I should introduce you to Alan Kay, who ran such lab
projects for Xerox and Apple.
> * Academics is a career. There is a lot of competition for spots andI don't know much about that. OK, industry definitely pays well for
> I am not needed. The pay for adjunct professors is less than an
> average wage and insufficient for me to stay afloat and pay back my
mathematicians, and there have been research groups that paid at least
adequately. Google is always looking for Ph. D. mathematicians. Their
pagerank algorithm started out as a sparse matrix implementation of
finding eigenvectors of huge matrices, originally with millions of
rows and columns, now billions. Now they are heavily involved in
computational linguistics, GIS, and many other mathematical projects.
Here, try this search.
> * Students, in general, don't want to learn. And so, in general, IStudents, in general, have been told that they cannot learn, that they
> don't want to teach them.
are not allowed to learn, that they will get into trouble if they
learn, for years and years. You cannot find a pre-school child who
does not want to learn, and who has not learned to walk and talk and
cope with the physics of the world and the surrounding society, unless
severely disabled. It takes hard work to convince such children not to
learn any more, but most societies are good at it.
> I'm a good learner and it's not fair for meThe Universe is not answerable to my personal will. Fairness doesn't
> to have to teach others who don't have my passion.
come into the question. The question is, are you willing to do what
needs to be done?
> It's wasteful of aAlternatively, you could enter a monastery. The Jesuits would be
> good thing. Yes, I'm willing to do some of that to make a living, as
> I have and am as a tutor. But it's not what God tells me to do.
delighted with you. You would be welcome at Shasta Abbey if you chose
to embrace the compassion of the Buddha and the precepts that we live
by, but you wouldn't get to do math there.
> If I was an acknowledged genius, then there might be a job waiting forA career is irrelevant to your aspirations. You need a paying job that
> me in academics. But then I would have other options as well. If I'm
> an unacknowledged genius, then there is no benefit. And I've met some
> brilliant people in academia, but their brilliance was not helpful for
> their career. Academics rewards the mundane.
allows you to do research, or a non-paying situation that takes care
of your minimal physical needs and leaves your mind free.
> Edward, Pamela and all, Please do help me make the most of myI am equally occupied with trying to fund the Sugar Labs Replace
> crowdfunding attempt. I do need your feedback, what would be good
> rewards, what would make the project exciting. I do need your help.
> I have helped many people, I think, and so I ask that at this time we
> all help with our thoughts and ideas.
Textbooks project, including getting contracts to create a new kind of
Open Education Resource following Jerome Bruner and other proponents
of humane education.
We begin with the hypothesis that any subject can be taught
effectively in some intellectually honest form to any child at any
stage of development.
The Process of Education (1960)
Can I interest you in investigating how children really learn math,
and how they might learn math if it were presented in the same way as
natural language? (Seymour Papert, Mindstorms: Children, Computers,
and Powerful Ideas.) Not the way we present foreign languages so that
older children utterly fail to learn to speak them.
> Thank you,--
> Andrius Kulikauskas, http://www.selflearners.net, ms@..., (773) 306-3807
> Quoting Edward Cherlin <echerlin@...>:
>> I never got clear on why you don't want to teach at a regular college
>> or university. They are set up specifically to support work like
Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin
Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.