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Re: [learnhowtolearn] I: Updating on corruption in Italy

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  • Dante-Gabryell Monson
    Hi Maria, indeed. for the moment I like some of the ideas part of a p2p/distributed paradigm of governance, property and production, which, as you may already
    Message 1 of 1 , Mar 13, 2010
      Hi Maria,


      for the moment I like some of the ideas part of a p2p/distributed paradigm of governance, property and production,

      which, as you may already know, is fairly well documented through Michel Bauwens and others through

      As for my involvements, other then online, I currently focus on Brussels, and soon looking forward to Leipzig :

      Related to this, in addition to many other lists and groups, such as this one and other minciu sodas related groups,

      I like the direction and synthesis of approaches supported by for example this group of people

      and look forward to create mutual emulation in support of such approach to wealth creation ecologies.


      On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Maria Agnese Giraudo <mariaagnesegiraudo@...> wrote:

      Dear Dante,
      thanks for your interesting contribution, I agree with you that our democracy doesn't represent us and we see it, more on less,  in all countries in Europe. So, why we have to  be involved in a creative redesign of our democracy and new grassroots participation. It's very dangerous category that of post-politics, it  has been  used by dictatorship and  fascism. We remember the strategy of people manipulation of Mussolini. Post-politics, is negation of sharing of ideas and confrontation and conflict among different visions and political groups. Post-politics  is based on people instinct use, specially in this time of economic crisis: fear, insecurity, social prejudices, ignorance and so on, to get the control of all the country. No more sharing and confrontation of  different  ideas, no more respect of rules and dignity of institutions/powers: Government, Parliament, Jurisdiction  to guarantee effective  Democracy is  working. It’s time now European people work to elaborate e new  democratic vision , including immigrates, unemployed and underrepresented and involving  in this design of new citizenship for all.

      All the best!

      Maria Agnese

      Da: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson@...>
      A: mariaagnesegiraudo@...
      Cc: Jeff Buderer <jeff@...>; Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...>
      Inviato: Sab 27 febbraio 2010, 11:29:00
      Oggetto: Re: [learnhowtolearn] I: Updating on corruption in Italy

      Hi Maria

      I personally strongly doubt that alternatives to the type of politics you mentioned can be brought through a "justice system", or through "representative politics", or even through direct confrontation.

      From my own point of view, alternatives to such kind of post politics

      may be likely to come from more economically and politically autonomous networks of communities

      I foresee that various societies , with their political and economic systems, will continue growing in parallel to each other on the same territories.

      I also have the feeling that the current "state" is likely to continue loosing legitimacy, while at the same time increasing its coerciveness towards any agents that it does not manage to contain within it, and that it sees as competing with it.

      Stealth and distributed guerrilla forms of organization are most likely to emerge as to circumvent state coerciveness.

      Thats my perception of current developments.

      I have been active for a number of years within so called "representative politics",
      and I personally feel it is highly ineffective and systemically undemocratic.

      Greetings from Brussels,

      On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Maria Agnese Giraudo <mariaagnesegiraudo@...> wrote:

      Dear friend,
      I would like you to be informed that Italy democracy is in worse situation and serious danger due to corruption and overpower of Berlusconi and right xenophobe people in his government (Lega party). We need a big change, we need to protect and develop our democracy in a multiethnic country!
      The case of Lawyer Mills  bribed by Premier Silvio Berlusconi has stopped due  bureaucratic reasons of time duration of this case.

      Berlusconi lawyers are working to present new  laws in the parlement to prevent him to go in front of the court.
      I forward you below  information about recent cases of corruptions.
      What happens is a national mobilization of  Civil Society only by  Facebook and Blogs/Email/sms since December 2009.  Today demonstration in Rome, A self financed mobilization! 

      To ask for EQUALITY BEFORE LAW!



      We would like to unify our mobilization with the Strike of foreigners working in Italy  on the 1 March 2010.  http://www.primomarzo2010.it/2009/12/1st-march-2010-strike-of-foreigners-in.html, together with  foreigners working in France.  

      Thanks for your  understanding and participation!

      Please spread these news!

      All the best!

      Maria Agnese Giraudo

      ----- Messaggio inoltrato -----
      Da: Maria Agnese Giraudo <mariaagnesegiraudo@...>
      A: Jeff Buderer <jeff@...>; Peter Burgess <peterbnyc@...>; christopher macrae <chris.macrae@...>; Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...>; Kennedy Owino <nafsiafricaacro@...>; Crispinus Ouma Pamba <cpambake@...>
      Inviato: Gio 25 febbraio 2010, 18:16:33
      Oggetto: Corruption in Italy

      Some update about corruption in Italy
      Mr Di Girolamo elected by Mafia to help Mafia
      Corruption of Civil Protection
      Money laundering  by Telecom -Fastweb company 2billioneuro!!!
      Is it  enough?
      I go to demonstrate against Berlusconi goverment saturday 27 Febr http://www.27febbraio2010.org/
      01 I go to demonstrate for immigrates working in Italy
      Please spread these news! We need to be colonized, invaded! Or we need now people inside the country have more power, like immigrants, they can push for a revolution!
      Maria Agnese

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