Welcome from Participatory Design Conference!
- Vincent Omokafe Obasanmi: I like to be attarched to mintru soda as a
member . Am a Nigerian and am ready for your ideas on how i can use my
profession to contribute towords your program
Vincent, greetings! I found your note at our wiki http://www.worknets.org
and have signed you up for Pamela McLean's working group Learning From
Each Other http://groups.yahoo.com/group/learningfromeachother/ I'm
excited that you are using wiki, emails, chat, digital photos and other
means during Pamela's visit to Nigeria. I have included below your
Thursday chat from our chat room archive http://www.worknets.org/archive/
Thank you to Sasha Mrkailo of Serbia for participating!
I also welcome many new people from the Participatory Design Conference
http://www.pdc2008.org in Bloomington, Indiana. I have signed you up to
one of our laboratory's working groups which include
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/globalvillages/ Global Villages led by
Franz Nahrada of Austria
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/onereachinganother/ One Reaching Another led
by Fred Kayiwa of Uganda
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/learnhowtolearn/ Learn How To Learn led by
Kiyavilo Msekwa of Tanzania
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mendenyo/ Mendenyo led by Samwel Kongere of
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialagriculture/ Social Agriculture led by
Steve Bosserman of Ohio
I have been quite encouraged by people I have met, but in particular, by
Lars Albinsson of Sweden http://www.maestro.se/LARS_01.html who was
recently in Lithuania. In the US, corporations keep separate their
strategic research and their corporate social responsibility, which makes
it difficult for our lab to participate, as we are "for profit" and "for
good". Whereas in Scandinavia there might not be such a barrier.
Companies like Ericsson and Nokia might be very interested to develop and
sell small solar panels for recharging mobile phones
http://biodesign.webeden.co.uk/ develop and sell Includers
http://www.includer.org and hire us for a variety of projects, small and
I have a new blog post about our Includer for the PBS website:
I appreciate our comments there and at our groups. Pamela, I have found a
picture of you and a cow in Nigeria! Please check for me that it is in the
Public Domain - I will gladly credit the author - but otherwise I will
take it down. I would use more pictures if they are in the Public Domain.
Thank you to Wendi Losha Bernadette of Actwid Kongadzem! (And I have sent
you 9 flash drives, new and used, with a declared value of 70 USD.)
I invite us all to write and introduce ourselves!
+1 312 618 3345
Sasha: Hi all :: I am just cheking in to see if everything works here ::
bye! :: thanks Andrius for repairing the web interface for yahoo email
PamWithDadamacLearnersAtFantsuam: I am waiting to see if anyone joins me
here :: I am using my laptop - the same on I use in Uk :: test
Sasha: HI Pam and all! :: hi Pam
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: hi I am back :: and Hi victor
Victor: Hi everyone
Sasha: hi :: This is Sasha from Serbia :: exciting to hear you are in
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: sasha - it is great to chat with you again.
i am sorry my connection is rather slow
Sasha: understand :: Its a miracle that people there have also internet
Victor: this is Victor from Nigeria - Pam's learning group (DadaMac Learners)
Sasha: hi Victor, you have a nice name :: what are you learning about?
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: sasha how are you - it si a long time since
Sasha: yep, today I read a email from you so wanted to drop in and hear
more about you and things you are working on
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: we are learning to learn from each other -
not just from teachers
Sasha: great, I prefer that way :: I found out that its ver important to
ask right question :: in the proces of learning :: somebody said: "if you
can ask good question, you already know 95% of the answer"
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: we are learning to learn from our friends at
Fanstuam and our new friends on the Internet
Sasha: I always thought of umtost importance to ask questions that are not
Victor: we are learning a whole lot; using the digital camera, snapping
pics, creating blogs, interestingly we do a lot of "learning by doing"
Sasha: those that are hidden
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: Ah sasha I agree with you - the best way to
learn is to ask good questions
Sasha: yeah it works especially god with comuter knowledge
Victor: sure sasha ur idea about asking the right question follows
Sasha: yes, it sounds simplistic but I found out that sometimes I make
mistakes by just not asking (myself) the right quetions
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: yes - and you are good at answering
questions too sasha :-)
Sasha: thanks Pam :: not really otherwise I would be better in problem
solving :: am still a beginner
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: welsome Simon
SimonDadamacLearrners: Simon Hi everyone
Sasha: hi Simon, another nice name :: biblical if I am not wrong
SimonDadamacLearrners: Simon Yes it is very Biblical
Sasha: it means; To listen attentively; give heed. :: very nice indeed
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: /room English
Sasha: Pam, did I understod that the chat is on WWP ?
Fola: hi every body
SimonDadamacLearrners: Simon Thank u I will remembering it
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: perry iand mercy are saying hi.
Sasha: hi Fola
Fola: iam fine
Sasha: hi to perry and mercy
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: mercy hi sasha nice name
Sasha: are you Folabi with the internet phone?
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: is pam out of the chat room ?
Sasha: thanks, but your is more nice :) :: tell me do you use it for
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: sasha teh chat today is to welcome the new
dadamac learners to the chat room and share our learning strories
Sasha: ok, thanks
Fola: i use my phone for browsing
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: I am sharing this laptop with Mercy Giwa and
Sasha: fola what are your interests on internet? :: I use the net to learn
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: hi pam would youb please chat with us?
Sasha: for example I learned about beekeeping and stove building
Doris: /room English
Sasha: are you all in the same place?
Fola: i have interest in sharing ideas and knowledge
Sasha: I learned english by using internet
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: sasha chatting with you for the first
time is a plee
Sasha: what kind of knowledge, Fola?
Fola: i really wish to use the internet to let others knows what africa is
Sasha: thanks perry and mercy! :: in what ways, do you have a blog? ::
thats a good way to share experiences and ideas
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: sasha just trying to open a computer
Fola: i have a blog where i have the pictures of my school
SimonDadamacLearrners: Sasha i wonder what your name means
Sasha: ha nothing realy, its Russian form of Alexander :: Fola, URL?
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: It so much pleasure to teach children
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: i will like to learn something from you,do
you have knowledge on geograph? mercy giwa
Sasha: that si your main interest? :: what software do you use? I prefer
open source, Linux
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: sasha the children are eager to meet
you on line so I hope to get the school into the internet
Sasha: what kind of knowledge on geography? :: :) :: are you now with
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: fola i am finding this experience
Sasha: fola, firefox is a browser, a good one, I use it now too but the
next step is to use the whole operative system in a open source way
Doosuur: hi everybody
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: simon how are you findinding the
SimonDadamacLearrners: Doris lost her connection
Sasha: instead of microsoft which is a for profit corporate product, I use
linux which is a community made operative system
PamAndDadamaPeopleAtFantsuam: not really but i teach geography,my main
interest is to learn how to use the internet
Fola: that is the blog
Sasha: thanks Fola
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: Doris this is interesting
Sasha: when I was a kid geography was my main interest
Doosuur: that is doris other name
Fola: it is a pleasure
SimonDadamacLearrners: hi dooduur - are you Doris or somebody else?
Doosuur: all of the above
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: victor how are you doing over there?
Fola: you share same idea with Pam
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: sasha there is a thunderstorm comming
and we migth loose our connection
Doosuur: hi perry how is the group going
Sasha: I understand :: Fola I se you are working in very hard conditions
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: doosuur the group is fantastic thanks.
SimonDadamacLearrners: perry i am ok and having a good time thank u
Doosuur: hi victor how u finding the experience
Fola: i really wish someday i would upload my video in the blog for you to
Sasha: do you find it is a hard job? Do you see a future there for yourself?
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: sasha cant hear from you any problem?
Victor: doris I'm good
Sasha: yep I am here, listening to you people
Fola: it is not a hard job
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: sasha you are welcome back.
Fola: i i know their is a future
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: pleease be informed that is lunch time
Fola: in the job for me
Victor: doris I'm finding it hard to keep up the pace of the chat as I see
a good number of people are involved :: doris I think the best thing to do
is pick up a discussion with one person at a time
SimonDadamacLearrners: It is lunch time Sasha
Doosuur: hi simon how u finding the group
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: i mean junch time in Nigeria for
Sasha: ok, have a nice lunch :: what do you eat for lunch today?
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: mercy is in charge of the lunch for
Fola: the problem is getting my informations passed accross through the net
SimonDadamacLearrners: It is fine but we have to go for lunch now
Sasha: why Fola? :: hi Prosper
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: sasha wqe are taking pounded yam with
ProsperMbwambo: Hi everyone
Sasha: I see you are writing on the blog so everyone can read and learn
about you and the village
Fola: hi prosper
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: Hi prosper
ProsperMbwambo: Hi Sasha
Sasha: Mercy that sounds delicious, I never tasted jam :: yam that is
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: prosper how is kenya
Sasha: Prosper is from tanzania I think
ProsperMbwambo: Prosper,member of Uyoga in Dar es salam,Tanzania
SimonDadamacLearrners: Hi everyone - this is not Simon here now it is Pam
PerryAndMercyDadamacLearnersNigeria: prosper like to know more of you in
the near future
Fola: hi pam
SimonDadamacLearrners: Hello Prosper :: I am so happy you can join us
Sasha: fola are there beekeepers in your village?
ProsperMbwambo: I i can share with you friends and exchange our
understanding in different things
SimonDadamacLearrners: How is everyone from Uyoga?
ProsperMbwambo: They are fine
SimonDadamacLearrners: sasha - there is good honey in teh market at
Ago-Are (I met Fola at Ago-Are)
Fola: i did bee keeping in my higher studies but not deep aspect of it
Sasha: any pecial reason, what kind of area and climate is there?
SimonDadamacLearrners: sasha simon has gone for lunch - but this computer
screen is not the usual layout
Sasha: Simon, I am more interested in things people do to earn some money
and improwe their life
Doosuur: hi everyone this mercy Giwa
SimonDadamacLearrners: there are not the usual choices on the LHS of ther
Fola: that is great
Sasha: Fola, interesting to hear, in old times here, mainly teachers and
priests vere beekeepers
SimonDadamacLearrners: it is not possible to change colours and it is not
possible to click on "leave the room"
Sasha: do you think beekeeping could be done in your village?
Fola: yes for sure
Sasha: Pam the problem is in settings I think
Fola: but the enviroment is not safe
ProsperMbwambo: Sorry for being late,but i hope to get even a summery of
what have been discussed with you friends :: Just to catch up
Sasha: you have to accept cookies or something like that, I think you can
choose some option on the welcoe screen of the chat :: why fola?
Fola: after putting a whole lot of energy in that some other people might
come in and "steal" or harvest it behind you
Sasha: Prosper we are just talking
SimonDadamacLearrners: Prosper, we have been meeting sasha and
Sasha: same here Fola, nowhere is totaly safe
ProsperMbwambo: Sasha will you do that favour for me pls
Sasha: but bes can be kept close, in backyard
SimonDadamacLearrners: It has been sasha and people in the Dadamac
learning group at Fantsuam
Sasha: Prosper cant do that, you need to do it yourself
SimonDadamacLearrners: sasha - we hope to start a beekeeping project a
Fola: do you have a blog showing your bee keeping skills?
Sasha: thats interesting, Pam?
SimonDadamacLearrners: but first we need to source the materails and we do
not have funds for that yet
Sasha: not yet but started a blog and will include beekeeping in it
SimonDadamacLearrners: it si one of our future plans.
Sasha: nothing there yet Fola :: not even a sentence, when I start I will
write and send you
SimonDadamacLearrners: we have started to discover what knowledge we have
and how much it will cost and how much we could sell honey for.
Fola: I have some lovely pictures to put on my blog soon
Sasha: that is important "Simon"
SimonDadamacLearrners: probably the honey would be sold in very small
Fola: i would love to see that
Sasha: most things you could make in DIY fashion :: cheep beehives, cheap
equipment :: you can make a beehive from few planks
LotPamAndMercy: Hi sasha i'm lot i live in nigeria and i will like to know
more about your cultural activities and with time i will tell you
mine,thanks have a nice day
Sasha: its not so good as a industrially made beehive, but you can start
with them and later buy better ones :: hi lot, thank you, you too!
LotPamAndMercy: sasha - lot has gone for lunch so now i can chat to you here
LotPamAndMercy: DIY is Do It Youself
Sasha: I am interested in free culture, DIY, cooperation between people
and such :: yes
Fola: do you have any idea of village set up
Sasha: its very liberating I think :: what do you mean Fola?
LotPamAndMercy: sasha perhaps next time fansuam people start to discuss
beekeeping we could invite you to chat with us
Fola: have you ever being to any village
Sasha: i would be glad Pam :: my father lives in a village, and i spent my
Sasha: but probably a village in a africa looks differently
Fola: how do you mean
Sasha: I mean the architecture, houses , yards and so :: in my fahters
village there are houses, everyone has a big yard with a garden, animal
pens, usually few fruit trees and such :: lot of space to put beehives
LotPamAndMercy: I am just showing Fola how to see you phots by clicking
Fola: sure you are right
LotPamAndMercy: here in fantuam there are trees with fuits and nuts and
also vegetables :: but they are not encoles in yards
Fola: you sure can know how africa set up is when i upload those lovely
pics in my blog
LotPamAndMercy: there are some walls to enclose the compounds
Fola: i have to go for my lunch as well
Sasha: have a nice lunch fola :: greetings toyour village :)
Sasha: Pam does everybody there keep a garden and such? :: are people good
LotPamAndMercy: My visitors hut is at the fish farm compound there are
several houses and also trees with oranges, cashew nuts, mangos and other
things :: people are farmers, not gardeners, but some of the farms are
very small, more like a smallholding
Sasha: are the people poor?And are there any posibilities to improve their
life? Small business and such?
LotPamAndMercy: Sasha I am being toldI shoud go and eat.
Sasha: ok everybody went to lunch :)
LotPamAndMercy: I will log off and look forward to seeing you next month
in teh chat room, or sooner
Sasha: must be that I am boring to talk to :) :: OK :: enjoy!
LotPamAndMercy: Fantsuam foundation is here to help people improve theri
lives :: they stayed a long time after the lunch was ready ;)
Doosuur: hi prosper
LotPamAndMercy: fantsuam foundation started as a micor crediti bank
Sasha: I must admit lunch is more important :)
Doosuur: are u still in the chat room
Sasha: like Grameen :: yes but I must leave soon too
LotPamAndMercy: Kazanka Comfort was taught by Mohammed Yunus in Bangledesh
and then adapted the ideas for Nigeria - the culture here is very
different :: sasha people are coming back and hope to cathc you again, but
I know you have to go soon
Sasha: yep, need to work a little bit too :)
LotPamAndMercy: Thank you for joining us in the chat room today, and
porsper thank you for joining us (Are you still here?)
Sasha: anyway thank you all for the chat
LotPamAndMercy: bfn sasha from Pam
Sasha: many greetings to beautifull Africa and its nice and friendly
LotPamAndMercy: good bye