Thanks and introductions.
- Hi Andrius - and hello to anyone else who has joined.
Thank you Andrius for setting up this group.
I look forward to discovering who you have invited, to meeting people
with shared interests, and learning from each other about how we can
learn, and how we can help others to learn, making the most of ICT.
Andrius - you have described additional information-handling strategies
that you have been using with yahoo groups so I look forward to finding
out more about those, in practice, here too.
I don't know what mechanism you normally use for sharing information
about group members. How would you like us to go about that? Should we
just write something here?
It would be good if we could start off this group by introducing
ourselves to each other.
- I am happy to share news that our Minciu Sodas laboratory has a new
working group lead by Pamela McLean. Her key concept is "learning from
each other" and that's the name of the group! Please join us at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/learningfromeachother/ by sending a blank
message to email@example.com
Pamela's investigatory question is How do we use ICT to enable an
educational system that lets self-directed learners be agents of their
It will take some time for us to build momentum. Jeff Buderer
http://www.onevillage.biz of our Back To The Root working group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/backtotheroot/ for leadership development
has agreed that for now we work on distance learning also at Back To The
Root until we get going at this new group. What I think the two groups
have in common is the importance of first hand knowledge in being
connected with ourselves and truly self-directed. Jeff, Thank you! and
hi to Amy! and all our new participants at BTTR.
Pamela lives in London, UK and is a leader of CawdNet
http://www.cawd.net/daisy/CawdNet/715.html a network which combines
networking on the Internet with community networking in rural Africa.
She is especially active in Nigeria, helping teachers learn how to use
ICT, and bolstering existing networks in Africa by linking up all manner
of experts and helpers from around the world.
Helmut Leitner shares notes from his extensive conversations with Pamela:
I learned of Pamela through Jeff Buderer and also Janet Feldman of
KAIPPG speaks very well of her. I met Pamela twice this month in
London and was impressed by her good energy and deep experience. We're
truly blessed to welcome her as a leader at our laboratory.
Pamela and I also spoke about the technologies we're using. We'll try
to coordinate our approaches. Our plan is to use our ProWiki at
http://www.findbetterways.info to support unstructured learning (such as
independent projects). She is setting up Moodle to support structured
learning (such as step-by-step units), so we will be learning more about
that, and I think, finding ways to participate. Omo Oaiya and Helmut
Leitner will be speaking about Moodle and I hope will advise on which
technology to use for which purposes. Also, perhaps our efforts might
link up with OneVillage's.
Pamela, I share your letter below. Oh, yes, you now have moderator
privileges, please use them!
Pamela McLean wrote:
>Hi Andrius - and hello to anyone else who has joined.
>Thank you Andrius for setting up this group.
>I look forward to discovering who you have invited, to meeting people
>with shared interests, and learning from each other about how we can
>learn, and how we can help others to learn, making the most of ICT.
>Andrius - you have described additional information-handling strategies
>that you have been using with yahoo groups so I look forward to finding
>out more about those, in practice, here too.
>I don't know what mechanism you normally use for sharing information
>about group members. How would you like us to go about that? Should we
>just write something here?
>It would be good if we could start off this group by introducing
>ourselves to each other.
>Each letter sent to Learning From Each Other enters the PUBLIC DOMAIN unless it explicitly states otherwise http://www.ethicalpublicdomain.org Please be kind to our authors!
>Yahoo! Groups Links
- Where do we start in this group? What is it that we want to learn from
each other? As Andrius explained in his introduction to this group, I am
interested ICTs and increased opportunities for self-directed learning.
This means that I am interested in the changing roles of teachers and
learners now that ICTs are included in the learning process.
I know that Andrius is here already - I don't know who else has arrived
- if anyone - so I will start by reflecting on what (and how) I have
learned from Andrius (not only when we met, but also as a result of
meeting). Our initial meeting was through an e-introduction via mutual
e-contacts - so ICTs have played a part from the start..
My impression of Andrius is that he is knowledgeable and shares his
knowledge generously so it would be hard to spend time with him and
learn nothing. We first met on May 13th - but not for long enough - so
we met again on May 15th. We have also had a follow-up discussion on
Skype - and now we meet again here (more ICT enabling of learning). It
seems that Andrius is not a man who gets to know people via
organisational labels or small talk - and I'm not really interested in
that either - so I found him refreshingly direct and thoughtful.. For
me, the result of spending time with Andrius was that I started looking
in new ways at knowledge and information that I already had . In
retrospect I realise that, through his interest and encouragement, he
gave me "permission and opportunity" to consider what I was learning and
what I wanted to learn next in the projects I am working on (rather
than "what I need to do next to move ther projects forward").
His intervention was a catalyst for a learning leap. He was helping me
to move forward in my studies - so he was acting in some way as my
teacher, He definitely wasn't in "sage on the stage" mode - acting as
"the source of infromation" - but he wasn't "guide on the side" either
- guiding me through the content. It was something different - something
I am still reflecting on.
I have just skimmed through Andrius' "Learning from First Hand
Accounts" email to this group - and have printed it out to read properly
later. (I see another one "New Working Group: Learning From Each Other".
I won't be reading that until I have sent this, so will not be referring
to it here).
I like the analysis and clear thinking in "Learning from First Hand
Accounts" - I hope I will absorb some of those ideas and structures as
we learn from each other here. The "voice" that he was writing with in
there reminded me of books related to counseling. It suddenly occurred
to me that when Andrius had acted as a "learning catalyst" he had done
it by being a kind of "learning counselor" - taking the "pastoral role"
of the teacher - rather than the curriculum/content focused role of the
teacher as learning guide. We had looked in considerable detail at what
I was learning - the "curriculum content" - when we discusseed the
project I am working on - but the priorities shifted when we started to
look seriously at what I really wanted to study and my personal
The pastoral role is one I had previously overlooked when I had
considered the various roles played by teachers, self directed
students, "information sources" and ICTs. Self directed students often
don't need anyone else to guide their studies, and when it comes to
content they get that from the Internet or discussion with their peers.
In many cases they don't need a teacher to assign them work or to mark
it or to accredit their final level of performance and knowledge - but -
the occasional session with a learning counselor - I reckon that can
really help a self-directed student to refocus and get back on the fast