2551Re: Pyramid of Peace one year later
- Feb 19, 2009Hi Andrius
I said I'd email you after our chat today about the issue
of reimbursement, but I'll reply here instead, so everyone can see
If you look at the messages in this thread and at Janet's message in
LFEO group (link below), you'll see that Pam, Janet, Ken Owino,
Samwel and I are not happy with the idea of asking the Kenyan
Business Community for reimbursement of donations made during the
Pyramid of Peace and the election violence. As I explained this
morning, many of us think it could undermine good will and
relationship with other organisations that have been carefully built
up. It would change the way people look at PoP as a group and at
individuals. I think the chances of any businesses giving any money
are so low that it's not worth taking the risk. Janet and Ken said
that even if you did manage to raise any money, they would prefer it
to go to IDP Camps.
I know you contributed more than most people in monetary terms. I
like Pam's suggestion of earning money by MS working for the Kenyan
business community. That sounds far more acceptable than asking for
During the election violence, you provided strong leadership to
implement PoP. Now that things are a bit more peaceful, I think
decisions that affect the reputations and relationships of all the
PoP members should be more democratic and taken after wide
For those people not at the chat today, I suggested that even a 51%
democratic majority decision isn't really adequate. If asking for
reimbursement would damage individual people's relationships with
other organisations or projects, then the inividuals should be able
to veto it.
The other issues (publishing contact details and hyperlinking to
Worknets) are of lower importance, but still fairly important.
I don't know whether many people are particularly concerned about
their contact details being published and accessible to spammers,
begging letters, etc. It would be useful to have a consultation
exercise. I just noticed that you had included all the names, phone
numbers and email addresses of PoP members on the main PoP page. As
I said this morning, it may be better to just provide one PoP
contact email for readers of 'The history of PoP' to contact.
During the election violence, people were desperate to get help and
they published their own contact details in yahoo group messages or
worknets (which they may wish to reconsider now) and they may have
published other people's contact details, without taking the time to
Although people may have thought they understood the implications of
putting messages in the public domain, now may be a good time to
have some discussions and review any possible problems. I said that
I prefer to work in a low-profile way, and didn't expect my worknets
pages to be hyperlinked to high-profile pages like the story of PoP.
These issues aren't just Intellectual Property Rights issues (what
people are 'allowed' to do with your info). It's more a question of
observing normal, everyday courtesies and asking permission ("May I
do such and such with the information you posted").
All these issues are probably of more importance to people working
on the ground in Kenya than to me in the UK.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Pamela McLean
> Dear Andrius and Everyone.
> I am very busy now and seldom read lists - but this has attracted
> attention and I feel I should respond to add my voice to the voiceswidely - but
> expressing concerns:
> I would be pleased to see the general story of PoP known more
> definitely without any sensitive information.of
> I strongly share the concerns expressed about the appropriate ways
> telling the PoP story. Initially I was very pleased to see all thetelling.
> information brought together, because I think the story is worth
> Gathering everything together is a useful first stage in tellingthe story
> accurately, but accurate telling is not the same as tellingeverything. I
> agree absolutely that it would be completely inappropriate to pushany
> sensitive information out to people who might use it wrongly. Iwould like
> to see much of the information that was shared during the turmoilremoved
> from the public domain to protect the people involved, as soon aspossible.
> This is urgent and important.responded with
> I am also concerned about Andrius' financial situation. He
> total commitment when there was a need for money and nowhere nearenough
> coming in. He now has large debts because he funded so much of PoPprivelaged
> personally. I think PoP was an amazing achievemnt and I feel very
> to have been connected in some small way with the courageous anddecisive
> people who were active in PoP.was to bring
> I would be very pleased if a result of telling the story of PoP
> Andrius paid work. I would like to see him with enough appropriatewell-paid
> work to more than pay his debts.reimbursement". It seems
> However I am not happy with the idea of "asking for
> completely inapporpriate for a variety of reasons.it is a
> Of course if Andrius wants to ask for reimbursement then obviously
> personal choice - but if he does then I think it should be doneon a
> personal basis (ie Andrius asking for Andrius) not "for the MSlab".
> Andrius I respect so much of what you do, and I appreciate the
> you have given me within Minciu Sodas for personal growth, but, asyou know,
> I do not always agree with you. Certainly this is an area where Ido not
> agree. I add my voice to those who are asking you to rethink, toremove
> sensitive information, to not ask for reimbursement, and tonot "speak for
> everyone" when you are really speaking for yourself, and perhapsassuming
> that everyone will be in agreement.
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