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  • lcwn@yahoogroups.com
    Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the lcwn group: If we offered kits for 2.4 GHz or 900 MHz amplifiers for wireless data networking,
    Message 1 of 7 , Jun 23, 2001
      Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
      lcwn group:

      If we offered kits for 2.4 GHz or 900
      MHz amplifiers for wireless data
      networking, would you buy them?

      o YES, a kit of parts & PC board is good
      o Depends on the price for a kit of parts & PC board
      o I can't solder, and need one premade


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    • lcwn@yahoogroups.com
      Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the lcwn group: What kinds of info are you looking for in wireless networking? o Schematics,
      Message 2 of 7 , Jun 23, 2001
        Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
        lcwn group:

        What kinds of info are you looking for
        in wireless networking?

        o Schematics, schematics, schematics
        o Antenna designs
        o Higher power modifications
        o Software/EEPROM hacks
        o Cool Linux/Unix software


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      • Brian Oblivion
        The message I replied to below is an example of why you should avoid Hams at all costs when you want to work at speeds greater than 9600bits/sec. They
        Message 3 of 7 , Jun 24, 2001
          The message I replied to below is an example of why you should avoid Hams
          at all costs when you want to work at speeds greater than
          9600bits/sec. They contribute NOTHING technically but will fill your
          mailbox and your ear with regurgitated regulation and useless banter.

          Brian

          ------------
          On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Christopher W. (Chris) Boone wrote:

          > Use of amateur radio freqs to link to or provide service to the
          > Internet is illegal under amateur radio rules.....
          >
          > Chris
          > WB5ITT
          > ARRL N TX Technicial Specialist
          >


          Then get tunneled AX.25 off the commercial WIRED internet. And while we
          are on the subject, maybe the commercial nets should stop routing 44.x.x.x
          as well.

          Thanks for pushing me over the edge and putting another nail in the coffin
          of amateur radio.

          If you would READ the gnet pages you would see that gnet ISN'T "wireless
          internet". Amateur Radio is one leg of moving information from point A to
          point B. 802.11, FRS, and GMRS will be the death of amateur radio, and to
          tell you the truth I won't shed a tear.

          Ex-Ham and spreading the word to all the would-be digital mode operators.

          Brian


          On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Christopher W. (Chris) Boone wrote:

          > Use of amateur radio freqs to link to or provide service to the
          > Internet is illegal under amateur radio rules.....
          >
          > Chris
          > WB5ITT
          > ARRL N TX Technicial Specialist
          >
        • Matthew Mandalek
          ...just an option... Now guys, I am not a ham operator, but have known a number of them in my past. There is room for all of us on the airwaves. Yes Ham
          Message 4 of 7 , Jun 25, 2001
            ...just an option...
             
             
            Now guys, I am not a ham operator, but have known a number of them in my past.  There is room for all of us on the airwaves.  Yes Ham operators are somewhat anal when speaking about regulations and the such, but that is how ham has always been.
             
            Ham operators played a very important part in the past for world wide communications during war and disaster, and at times they still do.  It may be a technology that has "seen its day" but is is a great hobby and I wish I had the time and money to play with it.
             
             
            Matt
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Brian Oblivion [mailto:oblivion@...]
            Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 8:43 PM
            To: lcwn@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [lcwn] Important note to all wireless networking enthusiasts


            The message I replied to below is an example of why you should avoid Hams
            at all costs when you want to work at speeds greater than
            9600bits/sec.  They contribute NOTHING technically but will fill your
            mailbox and your ear with regurgitated regulation and useless banter.

            Brian

            ------------
            On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Christopher W. (Chris) Boone wrote:

            > Use of amateur radio freqs to link to or provide service to the
            > Internet is illegal under amateur radio rules.....
            >
            > Chris
            > WB5ITT
            > ARRL N TX Technicial Specialist
            >


            Then get tunneled AX.25 off the commercial WIRED internet.  And while we
            are on the subject, maybe the commercial nets should stop routing 44.x.x.x
            as well.

            Thanks for pushing me over the edge and putting another nail in the coffin
            of amateur radio.

            If you would READ the gnet pages you would see that gnet ISN'T "wireless
            internet".  Amateur Radio is one leg of moving information from point A to
            point B.  802.11, FRS, and GMRS will be the death of amateur radio, and to
            tell you the truth I won't shed a tear.

            Ex-Ham and spreading the word to all the would-be digital mode operators.

            Brian


            On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Christopher W. (Chris) Boone wrote:

            > Use of amateur radio freqs to link to or provide service to the
            > Internet is illegal under amateur radio rules.....
            >
            > Chris
            > WB5ITT
            > ARRL N TX Technicial Specialist
            >




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          • Brian Oblivion
            I don t want to beat on this for long but you definately made my point, in that they had a glorious and very useful past, and dwell on it during their rag
            Message 5 of 7 , Jun 25, 2001
              I don't want to beat on this for long but you definately made my point, in
              that they had a glorious and very useful past, and dwell on it during
              their rag sessions.. "oh, the good ol' days...".

              I am a ham and have been involved in various groups, most now defunct
              because no one had the kahuna's or organiztional capacity to get anything
              done to advance packet radio from it's 1980's state. It leaves a sick
              feeling in the pit of my stomach every time I have some d0pe dwelling on
              regs. rather than looking at the opportunity as a way to revitalize packet
              and get kids interested in radio/electronics. I don't know what it is
              like in other areas of the country but Amateur operators have given up on
              9600 and greater speeds in MA/NH area. The NorthEastern TCP Association
              has gone belly up.. so now you can understand why I've lost the golden
              flame of the all-knowing, all-helpful, ham organizations and club.

              My apologies for digressing this latest lcwn maillist into a hambashing
              fest. But you'll all come across them at some point in your
              endeavors. Just be aware of the tw0nks out there... There are still
              some very helpful and and useful hams and applicable (but
              aging) resources. For freenet/gnet/whatever net you may be endeavoring to
              build.

              Brian


              On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Matthew Mandalek wrote:

              > ...just an option...
              >
              >
              > Now guys, I am not a ham operator, but have known a number of them in my
              > past. There is room for all of us on the airwaves. Yes Ham operators are
              > somewhat anal when speaking about regulations and the such, but that is how
              > ham has always been.
              >
              > Ham operators played a very important part in the past for world wide
              > communications during war and disaster, and at times they still do. It may
              > be a technology that has "seen its day" but is is a great hobby and I wish I
              > had the time and money to play with it.
              >
              >
              > Matt
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: Brian Oblivion [mailto:oblivion@...]
              > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 8:43 PM
              > To: lcwn@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [lcwn] Important note to all wireless networking enthusiasts
              >
              >
              >
              > The message I replied to below is an example of why you should avoid Hams
              > at all costs when you want to work at speeds greater than
              > 9600bits/sec. They contribute NOTHING technically but will fill your
              > mailbox and your ear with regurgitated regulation and useless banter.
              >
              > Brian
              >
              > ------------
              > On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Christopher W. (Chris) Boone wrote:
              >
              > > Use of amateur radio freqs to link to or provide service to the
              > > Internet is illegal under amateur radio rules.....
              > >
              > > Chris
              > > WB5ITT
              > > ARRL N TX Technicial Specialist
              > >
              >
              >
              > Then get tunneled AX.25 off the commercial WIRED internet. And while we
              > are on the subject, maybe the commercial nets should stop routing 44.x.x.x
              > as well.
              >
              > Thanks for pushing me over the edge and putting another nail in the coffin
              > of amateur radio.
              >
              > If you would READ the gnet pages you would see that gnet ISN'T "wireless
              > internet". Amateur Radio is one leg of moving information from point A to
              > point B. 802.11, FRS, and GMRS will be the death of amateur radio, and to
              > tell you the truth I won't shed a tear.
              >
              > Ex-Ham and spreading the word to all the would-be digital mode operators.
              >
              > Brian
              >
              >
              > On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Christopher W. (Chris) Boone wrote:
              >
              > > Use of amateur radio freqs to link to or provide service to the
              > > Internet is illegal under amateur radio rules.....
              > >
              > > Chris
              > > WB5ITT
              > > ARRL N TX Technicial Specialist
              > >
              >
              >
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            • ticom@iirg.org
              There are plenty of old-fashoned anal-retentive hams who are more than happy to quote regulations at you and tell you what you can t do. There are also
              Message 6 of 7 , Jun 25, 2001
                There are plenty of "old-fashoned" anal-retentive hams who are more
                than happy to quote regulations at you and tell you what you can't
                do. There are also plenty of amateur radio license holders who
                acquired their license as an outrgrowth of a self-reliance/
                preparedness hobby, and could care less about what the FCC says. The
                problem is finding the cool ones.

                A ham ticket is a great cover to explain possessing all sorts
                of "interesting" electronic equipment that otherwise might draw
                suspicion. It also provides a wide range of frequencies to experiment
                on that provide greater range than MURS or 802.11 can offer. Back
                when I was a young hacker, all the fellow hobbyists you might
                consider "elite" held a ham ticket (and also bootlegged wherever the
                hell they felt like it using modded'out 2 meter rigs).

                Our small group of self-reliance oriented wireless network
                enthusiasts (all hams holding at least a general class license) are
                operating on HF ham bands using AX.25 with reliable coverage between
                nodes in New York State and Southern New England. For test, and "hey
                whats up?" messages the ham bands work perfectly; the traffic is just
                like anything else you'd see on the ham bands. Should encryption
                become necessary for more sensitive comms, there's plenty
                of "outband" spectrum to choose from when your transceiver has 1.8-30
                Mhz continuious coverage; of course who is to say that uuencoded .zip
                file you're sending to your friend is an encrypted message as opposed
                to a public domain ham utility?

                In ending, my advice is to just ignore the anal-retentive a**hole
                hams, and find and work with the cool ones.

                -Thomas Icom/IIRG <ticom@...>
                KA2--- (Licensed ham since 1984)
              • xlpitlum
                ... We ve encounterd the same problem here, it s best just to try and ignore them. I ll bet he s gonna get a few nasty emails now. (go getem steve) I guess
                Message 7 of 7 , Jun 25, 2001
                  >
                  > The message I replied to below is an example of why you should avoid Hams
                  > at all costs when you want to work at speeds greater than
                  > 9600bits/sec. They contribute NOTHING technically but will fill your
                  > mailbox and your ear with regurgitated regulation and useless banter.
                  >
                  > Brian
                  >
                  > ------------
                  > On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Christopher W. (Chris) Boone wrote:
                  >
                  > > Use of amateur radio freqs to link to or provide service to the
                  > > Internet is illegal under amateur radio rules.....
                  > >
                  > > Chris
                  > > WB5ITT
                  > > ARRL N TX Technicial Specialist
                  > >

                  We've encounterd the same problem here, it's best just to try and
                  ignore them.

                  I'll bet he's gonna get a few nasty emails now. (go getem' steve)

                  I guess this guy doesn't want to hear about the local packet/internet
                  links used to provide the weather service info on where those
                  tornados are heading...
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