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  • On 08.07.2004, at 17:00, Helios De Rosario Martinez wrote: > In Etym. we also have instances of _l_ + _c_ > _lch_ (liquid > assimilation) Oh yes, there is _lT_ > _lTh_ and _rT_ > _rTh_ (cf. _narcha-_ s.v. NÁrak-). > N _Gilthonieth_ or _Gilthoniel_ occurs (as cognate of Q > _Tintánie_) 'star-maker' s.v. TAN-. It is next to _Certhan_ 'ship- > builder', though this was later changed...
    David Kiltz Jul 8, 2004
  • On 07.07.2004, at 19:10, Helios De Rosario Martinez wrote: > David Kiltz wrote: > >> Descriptively _h_ > _ch_ isn't >> 'softening' but rather 'hardening' or 'reinforcing'. The underlying >> phonetics can be gleaned from the historical development: >> PE (ON) *KH > S./N. _-ch-_ in inlaut, (and before liquid) but _h-_ >> in anlaut. > > That means that the mutation _c_ > _ch_ (at...
    David Kiltz Jul 8, 2004
  • On 03.07.2004, at 23:17, Helios De Rosario Martinez wrote: > I suggest that _(Aran) Chithlum_ might nevertheless be an instance of > lenition, because in the earlier "Gnomish Grammar" _h_ > _ch_ does > occur in the list of the "grammatical mutations" (PE11:7), and it may > also be compared with the later famous title of the _Narn i Chîn > Húrin_, where _hîn_ 'children' > _chîn...
    David Kiltz Jul 6, 2004
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  • On 16.06.2004, at 14:20, Carl Hostetter wrote: > Here's a thought: if _esta-_ does take the thing or person named as an > object, (direct or indirect) then presumably the named would be marked > with an objective form; why then do we have an apparenly unmarked form > of the relative pronoun, _i_ 'who' (according to the English gloss), as > opposed to some objective form meaning...
    David Kiltz Jul 6, 2004
  • On 26.06.2004, at 10:07, Patrick Wynne wrote: > It seems to me that the proper label for _*kirtê_ is probably > "Common Telerin", a term that also has the benefit of being > used by Tolkien himself. In "Quendi and Eldar" he writes: "The > derivatives of *KWEN were more sparingly represented in the > Telerin dialects, of Aman or Beleriand. This was in part due > to the Common...
    David Kiltz Jul 5, 2004
  • Didier Willis' diligent effort has given us the 'Hisweloke's Sindarin dictionary' (chapeau). As the editor invites comments, I'd like to sound off on the entry _certh_. Version 0.98 has the entry (pronunciation omitted here): certh* pl. cirth* n. rune WJ/396, LotR/E Irreg. OS *kirtha, CE *kirtê "cutting" (KIR) I wonder where OS _*kirtha_ is taken from. In XI:396 Tolkien clearly...
    David Kiltz Jun 26, 2004
  • On 16.06.2004, at 13:24, Carl F. Hostetter wrote: > Which really is what we're talking about: different languages have > different idioms for names and naming based on differing perspective; > and sometimes even have more than one idiom within a single language. Certainly. Yet the ample evidence afforded to us by real world languages clearly indicates that, whenever a verb is used...
    David Kiltz Jun 16, 2004
  • On 14.06.2004, at 19:48, Beregond. Anders Stenström wrote: > I did not suggest that 'call, name' can be paraphrased as 'use as > a name', but that the S verb _est(a)-_ might, for all we know, > actually mean 'use as a name' and not 'call', despite Tolkien's use > of _called_ in his translation of the phrase. As you noted in your > discussion with David Salo, the translation may...
    David Kiltz Jun 15, 2004
  • On 12.06.2004, at 10:05, Beregond. Anders Stenström wrote: > David Kiltz wrote: > >> accusative in _-n_ may seem uncouth but there might be >> another instance recorded. Namely, in the 'King's Letter' [IX}: >> "...Perhael i sennui Panthael estathar aen...". 'Samwise who >> should rather be called Fullwise'. >> . . . I would find it hard to interpret _aen_ in the above phrase >> as...
    David Kiltz Jun 14, 2004
  • In Lambengolmor message #653 I argued that Sindarin _nin_ could be interpreted as 1. sg. pronoun in the accusative. Prima facie, an accusative in _-n_ may seem uncouth but there might be another instance recorded. Namely, in the 'King's Letter' [IX}: "...Perhael i sennui Panthael estathar aen...". 'Samwise who should rather be called Fullwise'. _Aen_ might be interpreted here as...
    David Kiltz Jun 11, 2004