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Short locative _-s_, _-r_ (was Re: Commentaries on the "Secret Vice" poems)

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  • David Kiltz
    ... It also occurs in the so called Plotz Declension , cf. VT28:10. Note also the short(er) locative in _-se_ found in the _Átaremma_ (Pater Noster)
    Message 1 of 2 , Feb 6, 2007
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      On 06.02.2007, at 00:32, Helios De Rosario Martínez wrote:

      > In the "Qenya Declensions" it is noted that the inessive singular suffix
      > _-sse_ also has an archaic or poetic "short form" in _-s_.

      It also occurs in the so called 'Plotz Declension', cf. VT28:10. Note
      also the short(er) locative in _-se_ found in the _Átaremma_ (Pater Noster)
      VT43:8ff. which also shows (inter alia) voicing. A final _-r_, however,
      had to be followed by a short vowel.

      > such final _-s_ could have been voiced and eventually changed to
      > _-r_ (cp. PE12:19)

      In fact, the same is suggested in VT28:11, 19.

      Lastly, there is a case in _-r_ < _-d_ (archaic _-da_) which is seen
      in Q. _tar_ (V:389, also see VT28:25f.) and Q _oar_ (XI:366) where
      Tolkien writes: "... indicating motion to or towards a point". While
      perhaps unlikely, such an 'adverbial' case might have come to
      express location as well as motion.

      David Kiltz
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