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  • ejk@free.fr
    In VT43 the noun _thahtie/sahtie_ pressure or force (to do something against one s will or conscience) is said on pg. 22 to come from etymon _thakta-_, which
    Message 1 of 5 , Dec 2, 2006
      In VT43 the noun _thahtie/sahtie_ 'pressure or force (to do something
      against one's will or conscience)' is said on pg. 22 to come from etymon
      _thakta-_, which looks like a verb. And I am surprised by CE *_kta_ >
      Q. _-htie_. Usually _-kta_ > _-hta_.

      On the next page, 23, the verb _th/sahta_ 'induce' is said to come from
      the stem _saka-_ 'draw, pull'. Usually initial CE sV- gives Q sV-.

      Is there any misunderstanding or misprinting ?


      Edouard Kloczko

      [It seems probable that by writing "_thakta- > Q. thahtie/sahtie"
      (a reproduction of the actual manuscript note appears on VT44:23),
      Tolkien meant to indicate that _thakta-_ (< root _thag-_'oppress,
      crush, press' was the primitive verb from which the later Quenya
      gerund/infinitive _th/sahtie_ was formed by addition of the ending
      _-ie_, rather than indicating a _direct_ phonological development
      of _thakta-_ > _th/sahtie_.

      As for _saka- 'draw, pull', yielding both Q. _thahta_ and _sahta_
      'induce' rather than simply _sahta_, this could explained if _saka-_
      is interpreted as a Quenya verb from earlier *_thaka-_, rather than
      assuming that _saka-_ is a CE root. Note that Tolkien did not mark
      _saka-_ with either an asterisk or a root sign. The suffix _-ta_ added
      to _th/sahta_ 'induce' does not appear to be causative per se (since
      _saka-_ 'draw, pull' is already transitive), but rather extends or
      modifies the sense from 'draw, pull' > 'induce'. -- PHW]
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