Re: Translations of _orthanc_
- On 22.04.2006, at 20:48, varavilindo wrote:
> Whether we could add the new word meanings (e. g.More so, perhaps, because there is _gûr_ (VT41;11) 'heart, inner
> *_or_ "heart") to our Sindarin vocabulary is questionable.
mind', said (loc. cit.) to derive from CE _3ôrê_. Of course,
Tolkien's idea about the derivation of Q _óre_ and the respective
Sindarin form may have changed over time. In the times of _The
Etymologies_, CE _3_ (i.e. a voiced velar fricative) is lost in later
Noldorin. 'Stony heart' could also be a deliberate folk etymology by
those well acquainted with Elvish, I think. Especially, maybe, because
S _gûr_, Q _óre_ seem to refer not so much to the physical organ but
to mental/emotional phenomena. Hence a 'rigid' or 'stony' heart could
be seen as an allusion to the state of Saruman's _óre_ in the later days
of his residence in Orthanc.
- Philipp Marquart wrote:
> It is said that _orthanc_ has two major meanings (in two differentFor 234 read 243. The gloss "forked-height" in the unfinished index
> tounges): in "elvish" (Sindarin) "stony heart, [?tormented] Hills"
> (VIII:35), "Stone Fangs" (VIII:35) and lastly "forked-Height" (RC:
would (if that index had been completed and appeared in the book) have
been a complement to the main text's "Mount Fang".
> The underlying etymology of the compound _or-thanc_ with translationThe element _or_ occurs in Sindarin with the sense 'height,
> "forked-Height" may be as follows:
> _or_: derived from base ORO- (V:379) giving N. _or_ prep. above;
> prefix _or-_ as in _orchall, orchel_ "superior, eminent"
mountain' also in (at least) _Erebor_.